As a busy mom of three, Danielle knows the importance of finding time to herself. In this episode of the Grounded in Simplicity podcast, she discussed with Bonnie about the book The Four Tendencies.
From the conversation, there are four personality types: Upholder, Questioner, Obliger, and Rebel. Each personality type has its own strengths and weaknesses. For example, Upholders are great at following rules and meeting deadlines, but they may have a hard time relaxing or taking breaks. Questioners are good at challenging the status quo and thinking critically, but they may have a hard time making decisions. Obligers are good at meeting other people's expectations, but they may have a hard time meeting their own. Rebels are good at thinking outside the box and taking risks, but they may have a hard time following rules or routines.
Which personality type are you? Listen to the whole podcast episode to better understand which personality matches you.
As a busy mom of three, Danielle knows the importance of finding time to herself. In this episode of the Grounded in Simplicity podcast, she discussed with Bonnie about the book The Four Tendencies.
From the conversation, there are four personality types: Upholder, Questioner, Obliger, and Rebel. Each personality type has its own strengths and weaknesses. For example, Upholders are great at following rules and meeting deadlines, but they may have a hard time relaxing or taking breaks. Questioners are good at challenging the status quo and thinking critically, but they may have a hard time making decisions. Obligers are good at meeting other people's expectations, but they may have a hard time meeting their own. Rebels are good at thinking outside the box and taking risks, but they may have a hard time following rules or routines.
Which personality type are you? Listen to the whole podcast episode to better understand which personality matches you.
Welcome back to the Grounded in Simplicity podcast I am Danielle from the Rustic Elk joined by my good friend Bonnie from the not so modern housewife and our new friend Alyssa from Unbusy and we are going to talk about finding your true self and why that's important to lasting change. So,Alyssa if you want to introduce yourself and what you do, and
Bonnie Von Dohre:just ignore me, Bonnie?
Alyssa:Sure, so I'm an introvert guide follower and protect perpetual bookworm oh and mom of five. So I have 12years experience balancing multiple kids while still getting time to recharge, which is why I specialize in distressing mom life. So you can read supermom status with ease,and stop locking yourself in the closet for a long time. I primarily help introverted moms with larger families, so you know anything more than two kids. And I've always been interested in minimalism productivity topics, but I assume that if I ever got to share those passions with other women to serve them, they would have to be as an empty nester.I'm thrilled to be able to share life simplicity with other moms starting now instead. All right,and so
Danielle McCoy:you help just introverted moms or any mom or I haven't learned how to stay out of the closet. Yes, Bonnie wanted to clean her closet theother day so that she could go stay in there?
Bonnie Von Dohre:I would. Yeah.And then I'm gonna put a lock on it. Yeah, I just want to learn how to be an introvert and actually recharge with three kids. Yes. Two to two extroverted sons and one extroverted husband.
Unknown:Oh my. Yes, that sounds hard.
Bonnie Von Dohre:And then me and my daughter are just holding on for dear life.
Danielle McCoy:Elise is an introvert. Really?
Bonnie Von Dohre:Yeah, she's, I mean, she's like me. She's a social introvert. But she needs the boys to like break the ice for her. Makes sense. And then when she gets upset she got us in hides in like a small cubby space where no one can find her.
Danielle McCoy:I want one of those.
Bonnie Von Dohre:See where on the she can still fit underneath my bed. So
Alyssa:we're on the other end.We're almost all introverts. The poor couple of extroverted kids we have are always stuck at home.
Danielle McCoy:Ah, I would say I would say Trevor is a ambivert. He's he's kind of a little above. Okay, so
Bonnie Von Dohre:you be around people, but they exhaust me.
Danielle McCoy:I can't be around people. I don't do people. That's probably why I met my husband on the internet,right.
Bonnie Von Dohre:I am technically mean my husband both had online dating profiles. And I had actually showed up as a match for him. And he thought I looked too weird. So he never made a connection. But we met at a bar
Danielle McCoy:that's a very extroverted place to meet.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Beer was on sale. That was literally the only reason I was there.
Danielle McCoy:I'm old and I'm going to date myself. And I met my husband and I chat room. So
Bonnie Von Dohre:I mean, I'm not that old. I don't know. I mean, you met you met Trevor,like the same time I met Matt.So it's not like, um, you guys have only been married like another year or two longer than us? I think. When did you
Danielle McCoy:18 years ago?
Bonnie Von Dohre:Oh, wow.You've been putting up with him for this long?
Danielle McCoy:Two years of December.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Okay, we're on like, 14 I think. Yeah, I don't know. I don't feel like doing math right now. So anyway,moving on.
Danielle McCoy:Okay. See, like I said, very, very informal.Okay, so what are some key points on finding your true self, Alyssa. And if we need to use these talking points on the banners on the side? Just let me know. We'll get to those
Alyssa:Sure. So for your first talking point, and going against your built in design never works. So have you heard of Gretchen Rubin? Moderators and abstainers? No, okay. So it's a habit forming strategy, but it's how to help you work with your habits instead of your habits always fighting with you. So this is the way I always help people figure it out. If you're trying to quit a junk food habits, do you throw it all out of the house? So you're never tempted? Or do you tell yourself, you know, one day a week, I'm allowed to eat some more every day, I'm allowed to eat a little bit.
Danielle McCoy:Throw it all out,
Bonnie Von Dohre:I tell myself after I eat all of this, I'm not buying anymore. Go buy more well, then my husband, but that's
Alyssa:so for your next point,the difference between moderators and abstainers. So I'm like, Danielle, I'm an abstainer. So if it's around,I'm going to eat it and probably eat too much of it. And I cannot comprehend the just have a little bit mentality. My husband is a moderator. So for those people, you never tell them that they're not allowed to do something, you just limit it.And that was, that's what it feels really healthy for them.So think of it if you want to exercise for me, I have to tell myself every day I'm on the hook to do a little bit, otherwise, I will start talking myself into every day's cheat day. Whereas for him, he says, but that's way too restrictive. I don't want to do it every day. And he picks when but to me, that's exhausting.
Danielle McCoy:Makes sense.
Alyssa:So you can do it for
Bonnie Von Dohre:and that's interesting, because I like to do stuff in moderation. But at the same time, I know that if I'm gonna stick to it, I need to do it every
Alyssa:Like for cleaning, I have to have like a I don't do that one clean. Like one cleaning chore day. Otherwise,it'd be like, today's busy and I'm not doing it today. Right?
Danielle McCoy:Like hyper focus on stuff like that. Like I have like a cleaning project or something. And I know it has to get done and I just like, hyper focus on that one thing and then I don't get anything else.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Right? Yeah,like today's the bathroom,today's the bedroom like or something like that. Right?Although I tend to be like,okay, hey, today, I'm gonna write a blog post or work on the garden or do something outside and not
Alyssa:Yeah. So I think a lot of people's advice and habits and going with your personality,they just kind of project their personality on to you. And so they'll tell you that Oh, but you always have to have the cheat day in your diet or you must always throw your junk food inside but there's this these two different groups of people that your advice is going to completely backfire. So I like to do this for like goal setting, getting the alone time things like that. I can't say I'll have alone time sometimes I have to say I'll have the alone time every day. So I can set up the routine. So I'm if I want to lock myself in the closet, you know that kind of a thing. So the kids know every day. They have to go be quiet in their rooms for a couple hours because Mommy needs quiet time. So I frame it as you know, mom needs quiet time. Whether or not they do that way we're not bargaining. Oh, but we want to stay out here and play a game today and know that this is the routine
Bonnie Von Dohre:yeah, see what my four year old likes to do is he likes the emotional manipulation. So Mommy needs alone time but I love you oh dear. Yeah.
Alyssa:And for your work so working on boundaries Yes, for your next point the four tendencies and goal setting.This is again something Gretchen Rubin figured out. So this is for you and whatever kind of goal you're trying to set throughout the day, anything you want to get done or the business or homesteading or homeschooling. She said the four tendencies she found were questioner obliger rebel and upholder. So the questioner runs around saying, I don't know, are you a good enough authority to tell me how to garden? I'm not sure I should believe you. Let me do my own research. And so they pick apart everyone else's positions, but they will eventually figure out something and they'll do it. That's because they figured it out. The obliger says, Oh, I like gardening, but I'm not going to do it just for me. So they need a friend or a kid who wants to garden with them or something like that. Because they won't do it. If it's just their own goal that they'll do it too. They hate disappointing someone else.So accountability is kind of a really key thing for them. The rebel says, Oh, you told me I should have a garden. You will never catch me growing a single plant ever period. So it's pretty much the you tell them to do anything. I like that. Yes,they run far, far away from authority. So he's very careful what you tell them you must do.And the upholder says, oh,gardening sounds good. I want to go very well. I am going to go because I said I was going to do and I always do what I want to do. So they basically have the easiest time goal setting because they just kind of follow through. But most people aren't like that. So most people's, I find the productivity and goal setting advice is just Oh, but set your goal, you should do it like, yes, that works great for an upholder, not so much for everyone else.
Danielle McCoy:Makes sense. So how do we use use our find our tendency?
Alyssa:So that one is mostly which one sounds like you? What,like what things you want to do in your life right now, that isn't happening very much. Okay,just one thing.
Bonnie Von Dohre:I will say,there are certain things that I am a rebel about. But it's also one of those things where it's like, if, if it doesn't sound interesting to me, I'm just not going to do it. But like, and I do well with accountability, but I don't like having accountability partners.Because, again, I feel like I have someone telling me what to do. So I think
Alyssa:this works best for figuring out if it's something that you personally actually want to do. And then we find the personality tendency that you
Danielle McCoy:Well, I tried to make Barney my accountability partner
Bonnie Von Dohre:with co working groups. There's no one to hold Bonnie accountable. So.Okay, so I have ADHD. So I do well with body doubling. So it's like, I don't necessarily have someone holding me accountable to doing the thing. But just having someone else, like on a zoom call, or in the room or whatever, like, it makes me feel it doesn't feel quite so overwhelming. Like it keeps me grounded, so that I'm more likely to get the task done.
Danielle McCoy:I do well, if I have like a partner, like they don't even necessarily like if Barney was, you know, actually helped me be accountable when I say, hey, I need an accountability partner body and you're like, Yeah, that's a good idea, Danielle. And then it's like, the next day you're like,didn't do anything. So I do well,
Bonnie Von Dohre:if I have like a pardon, someone remind me remind you.
Danielle McCoy:I do best if I have like a partner that can hold me accountable. But I only want to do things I'm interested in. If I'm not interested in it,then keep it away from me.
Alyssa:Sure. I think this is still focused on it has to be the goal you want and then how to help you get there. So like,I use that accountability thing in college, like I said, Yes, I want to go walking. But if it was just me, I could talk myself out of it. So I got a roommate friend down the hall to go with me. So it wasn't someone checking up on me and saying You better do this, it was simply knowing that she expected to go on a walk. And if I didn't show up, and I stayed in bed, she'd be wondering why it was, you know, so it didn't have to feel like someone else telling me what to do. It was just that someone's there, you know,right?
Danielle McCoy:Well, I guess,you know, we're talking more from a business perspective of,you know, like productivity. And since all of my, some of Bonnie's stuff is not online,because she sells stuff and she's all cool and everything and has garbage all over her house because she has to sell
Bonnie Von Dohre:it. I think that might be the first time anyone has ever used the words body and cool and
Danielle McCoy:but since our both of our businesses are mainly online, and we don't have a boss, because, you know, we're self employed, and we're entrepreneurs, and trying to find that, you know, like productivity when you don't really necessarily have to be productive, you know what I mean? Yes, and finding that partner and accountability so that you can achieve whatever your goals are, as far as in this case, your business without, you know, I mean, she's all the way there and I'm all the way here. And even if I had somebody sitting right next to me, it doesn't necessarily mean that I have to work you know what I mean?
Alyssa:Yes, but I've heard it described as even if wouldn't make sense to you like that shared co working or the both on the same call and saying, we're getting something done on the business, if that's enough accountability, or even telling the other person Hey, I'm going to try to you know, write the blog post or write the email or the sales page that still functions is that obliger accountability is just doing it with someone instead of the upholder would be like, right on to do list, you know, right sales page. Oh, it's on my to do list. Of course, I'm getting it done. You know,
Danielle McCoy:I wish I was one of those.
Alyssa:And the questioner sits there and says, But do I actually need to write the email today. I'm not sure. Maybe it'd be more important to do something else, but then they eventually still get done whatever it was, I just, you know, right, push back.
Danielle McCoy:And I find the whole you know, like shiny object syndrome is overwhelming sometimes.
Alyssa:Yeah, I definitely think obliger in online business makes things interesting or challenging to get that. Yeah.You had
Bonnie Von Dohre:well, and then there's, you know, there's the tasks that, you know, will make you money, but they feel too big or too hard. So, well, let me knock this little stuff out. And then before you know it, like three hours has gone by and you didn't do the thing that you needed to do to actually make the money.
Danielle McCoy:Because you sat there and edited your homepage for like, five hours. Yeah, I have the same problem with the garden, though. Like on the garden and trying to get all of the, you know, like, I need to plant this or I need to harvest this or I need to get this weeded. Or, you know, keeping it water because it didn't rain.Alyssa and I were talking about that earlier. They had rain and so she has a water garden. But trying to
Bonnie Von Dohre:Yeah, I was actually I didn't know it was gonna rain today. So I was gonna water and then I was like, Oh, I guess I don't need water anymore.
Danielle McCoy:I watered mine because I don't trust the weatherman. It was supposed to rain and it has not raised that traverse that at board and Fort Wayne's?
Alyssa:Yes, interesting strategies for like the gardening produce thing. If there's something you know, you might want to make with it. So if you tell like a family, we're going to have this on the menu X many days or weeks from now,then that's sort of like an external deadline to meet. If any of your kids really like digging in the garden, I know mine. Do they fight over the who gets to check the garden? Sure.It's, you know, like, if you can get them to be the accountability partner in the sense, oh, we need to do this together every day. And then maybe they will be the one saying oh, hey, Mom, have you checked the peas? Yes.
Danielle McCoy:Right. I guess you know, because we grow not just to eat fresh, but also to preserve it and then I'll end up with like, 50 Cucumbers online.And then you know, oops, I didn't do that. And then what do you do with 50 cucumbers that are starting to go bad, you know, a day later. Right? you email your smoker, pickles
Bonnie Von Dohre:I send my kids out to pick anything in the garden. They won't come back in the house and anything they'll eat it all while they're out in the garden.
Danielle McCoy:Did you read that comment Bonnie on my group about that her kids just eat it on the plant and they leave part of it there. So she was looking for a garden Fest and it was for kids Oh, my kids do usually like pick it off.
Bonnie Von Dohre:I know mine.Mine picked my mulberry tree clean.
Danielle McCoy:The whole tree
Bonnie Von Dohre:Well, I mean between them and the birds but yeah.
Danielle McCoy:Is it big? Are mulberry trees huge?
Bonnie Von Dohre:No, I it's it's a dwarf. So it's not like huge. And it's still like kind of a young tree. But still, ours are tell Well, I didn't tell them that I ate the only page.You had a short and a peach. My tree produced one peach this year. And I ate it
Danielle McCoy:isn't new your tree? Is it isn't one. A few years old? I thought maybe no.You planted apple trees, didn't you?
Bonnie Von Dohre:Yeah, apple trees were last year. Okay.
Danielle McCoy:See, we get off topic. Okay, so we had one point on here that we did not? I don't think we touched on the how to use your tendencies.
Alyssa:Yes. So I mostly use that for the productivity instead of using everything is that upholder centric advice. So just make a goal and make a plan and follows a plan. For a rebel I usually say frame it as the opposite. Oh, people tell me to have a garden. But I actually want a garden but I automatically pushback from authority. Okay, can you flip it to everybody just goes out to the store and buys food. And so I'm going to be countercultural and grow some of my own. That kind of, you know your own tendency so you actively work to flip the script on yourself. So that you actually want to do it and you can remind yourself about all the ways you are being different And, and standing out and not doing the norm, if you do this thing that you actually do want to do, instead of reading all the advices says you should plant a garden because then you'll, you know, not want to plant a garden. And then the advisors we obligers, we've been talking about a number of obligers strategies of just having somebody else or someone else's deadline of the other,they are expecting you to show up and talk about how your lettuce went. And if you admit you never picked it, then that'd be a bit of a downer. Or did you make a blackberry pie? Did you try the strawberry rhubarb jam recipe? Or did you not get around to it? That kind of doesn't have to be super scheduled. But hey, I might bring some jam by, you know, so that you're not feeling like it's a really big burden. But you've also told somebody about it. It's not just in your own head that you can say, Oh, well,it wasn't that big of a deal. I can just blow this off. Someone else? said, Yeah, I'd love to try some jam, I was going to make muffins. So that would go really well together. And then you don't want them to miss out on their special treat. And then it becomes kind of a half to do.And then the question are,they're pretty good at self motivation. But they have to do all their own research first. So if your question or build in that time to say, Okay, I'm going to start homeschooling my kids, but I'm not just going to accept the first five google google articles I find, you know, I'm going to deep dive and figure out my own idea of homeschooling philosophies, and then I'm going to set it up the way I want to. So give yourself the time for you to come up with your own plan for it. And then yes, you can make a plan and work off the plan. But you're just not going to take what anybody tells you as gospel truth. You have to decide on it for yourself, because you question everything, which means you question everyone else's credibility? And have they been homeschooling long enough, you should pay attention to them?And do they really understand what your kids are? Like, you know, that kind of a thing. So give yourself a long that kind of sounds like runway research is what I would say. Yes, rebels and questioners have a lot in common. It's just that questioners eventually get down to business and stuff, the not going to do that. And they figure out their version of it,and they go ahead and do it. But they started off with a lot of those same. Oh, you said I was supposed to do that. Yeah, I find
Danielle McCoy:you're talking about this. And I see little bits of myself and like all of those, especially depending on you know, like, what the goal is, and you know, what we're actually talking about, because I definitely think that I hope homestead part of the reason is because I want to be countercultural. I don't want to be like everybody else and have to go to the store and all of those things. And so, I see, you know, like a little bit of rebel and a little bit of questioner and obliger. But um, definitely,what was the other one?upholder? Yeah, I'm not one of those.
Alyssa:You'd have to read Gretchen Reubens book, I'm not sure if she said that they literally were only 5% of the population or something like that, that if so that means 95%is the other three types. So,but they're all the ones going out there talking about productivity and well, you know.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Right. And it's like, you know, you would think that the whole world is extroverts. They're just the ones that have the loudest smells. But they're also the ones that are like, well, this is what normal people do. And you are normal, you would behave this way. Completely agree. And so since we are not that way, we must be broken. Yep.
Danielle McCoy:Yeah. So so if we figure out you know, like, is it can you be all three or four of those types?
Alyssa:I think reading her book, she said most people are typically one. So it's what would motivate you, Daniel in the garden? Is it reminding yourself it's countercultural,you don't have to go to the store? All you have to do is figure out something to do with the cucumbers. Or is that that's nice. That's one of your why's for gardening. But that doesn't really get you off your rear and tickling them or whatever. It's what actually gets you to do it.Right. I mean, telling your kids you're having pickles next week,right? Do you every time.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Or just the fact that she'll get really pissed off if all of those cucumbers rot on the counter?
Danielle McCoy:Yeah, well,yeah, there is that.
Alyssa:Or she had enough time to research her own recipe and say that she didn't have to make pickles because she didn't want to make pickles but there was something else she could do with it. And she got to choose.
Danielle McCoy:Hey, I did find a yellow cucumber relish that my sister gave me. I didn't even know it was a thing. It's from the Depression era.
Bonnie Von Dohre:You could make a crap ton of cars to Sikhi.Yes, yes.
Danielle McCoy:Yeah. I like that. But nobody else really likes it unless I make an Euro switch you know I never make so like twice a year
Bonnie Von Dohre:right and you can only eat so much of it Yeah,
Alyssa:you can use his sauce was the pita though maybe the kids would go for that
Danielle McCoy:maybe I don't know there's I think it's the drill they just don't care for the drill and as maybe I'm already good
Alyssa:to take out the drill from the recipe and just say like it will used to determine i like
Danielle McCoy:it it's gonna have to deal on it I mean,
Bonnie Von Dohre:I grew up to eat cucumber slices. That's
Danielle McCoy:that's all you use it for
Bonnie Von Dohre:like most of the time when I buy it, that's what I end up using it for.
Danielle McCoy:Which is different than some ranch
Bonnie Von Dohre:easy case healthcare.
Danielle McCoy:Well, yeah,maybe I don't know. They're both you know, dairy. Yeah, but the ones younger base. Yeah, but automatically healthier.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Oh, go with that theory.
Danielle McCoy:I just find myself. You know, you're like I said, you're talking about that.And I can't figure out what I think I more like, what about you, Bonnie? What are you?
Bonnie Von Dohre:Um, I'd say I'm probably dominantly questioner but yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's almost like personality types where I think you you know, you couldn't be like a certain percentage each one but that one comes out more dominant.
Alyssa:Yeah. You could try getting the book Rubin is spelled Are you bi n? And it's just Gretchen Rubin. The four tendencies and borrow it from the library and see, because she goes, you know, obviously way more in depth about all this.Are you big fan? Yes. Okay.
Bonnie Von Dohre:It definitely sounds more relatable than the other habit training books that I've tried. Yeah,
Alyssa:exactly. It's like,habits for real people that super productive people already.
Danielle McCoy:Yeah, I'm not one of those people. Like I said, I'm, I'm still trying to figure out how to. As far as business stuff goes, you know,like, make myself accountable since Bonnie won't help me.
Bonnie Von Dohre:Like, I considered myself a pretty organized person, until like, I got married and started having kids, I knew you're gonna say that, because, like, as long as I can, like, keep my focus,like, narrow, and kept my environment minimal, then it was really easy now. I mean, I still with that at not finishing projects, putting stuff off the last minute, you know, stuff like that. But at least like I felt like I had a grasp of life.Now, maybe not so much.
Danielle McCoy:I don't have a grasp on anything anymore. I'm just I can't even figure out what Hi Fi you.Like I said, I definitely think that I like I garden because I want to be countercultural, or,you know, I and like we were talking about earlier before Bonnie got on here before we started recording about how I was told I should be a writer and I'm like, Nope, I'm gonna do it. Because there's no money in it. And now, you know, here I am. So I think you know, I have to find my own way and do it because of something that is against the grain for lack of a better word.
Alyssa:Yeah. No, perfect sense.Yeah.
Danielle McCoy:So if we figure out our tendencies and our you know, our inner versus abstainer Yeah, then we can utilize those to take, meet our goals. And yeah,
Alyssa:to take a lot of the guilt off of having to be the upholder planner, fulfilling everything stereotype and said,You just shape it to you and how you behave, especially when you tack on the moderate versus abstain, you know, you can find a rebel reason for cleaning or an upholder reason for cleaning or an obliger reason for cleaning. But do you clean everyday? Clean once in a while?
Danielle McCoy:All right. All right. So a moderator would like a moderator feels like they don't have to clean every day.
Alyssa:Yeah, they can pick and choose because they feel it's much more painful to be locked into. Absolutely always are absolutely never any abstain or feels like it's too much decision making brain power to decide every time am I doing this? Or am I not? So they just have to set it and forget it,whether it's the cleaning or this specific junk food or something like that. Okay, so,
Danielle McCoy:abstainers would do better, like with a daily schedule? Yeah.
Alyssa:That's like, Absolutely the same, almost as much as possible.
Danielle McCoy:So do you think it needs to be a schedule? Or could it just be a routine? or doesn't?
Alyssa:I think it could be a routine to Yeah, just the fact you're not having to decide every day? Should I clean the stove today or not? It's my cleaning the stove today,period. And the moderator, they feel would lock them into us just you know, do I have to clean the stove? What if I didn't make it very dirty? What if we had takeout? And I didn't cook it all, you know, don't take away my autonomy and my decision making power?
Danielle McCoy:It makes sense.But what about so we all have kids? We're trying to help moms?What about our kids? Like, you know what I mean, like? I would say that my middle daughter is more of a moderator. But my other two kids are definitely abstainers. So I like to I wouldn't have seen her and I have to have a schedule if I don't have a schedule and things don't get done at all. So how could you cater to different children's needs?
Alyssa:Make the abstainers chores daily, or to set time a day? So they get in the habit of doing them? It's not Oh, this is your data? What are the plants?But they only need watering twice a week? You know, they're gonna blow it off most of the time.
Danielle McCoy:And what about so a moderator? I can't make her a schedule. But yes, I need Can I suggest things?
Alyssa:I would think yeah,suggest things. And if when she gets older, maybe she can explain some of her reasoning to you. If you're like, this week,I need you to do XYZ, but you can pick which day and she can explain. I'm going to do it this day, because when the younger you may just have to rely more on the Okay, I didn't make it a daily chart. Sorry. Tough luck.It's
Danielle McCoy:gonna happen today. Right? I'm the mom.Right? Okay. So the book was the four tendencies. So I put the link even though it's never gonna be able to click on it,but I can get there. Yeah. And they can copy it down. But tell us about where we can find you.I'm at
Alyssa:your unbusy life.com.And I'll have a new podcast episode every Tuesday for you.And this link that is so gobbly goo key is the super bomb sanity Jumpstart. So if you're exhausted from spending naptime,cleaning up the house, and you'd really like to get quiet and lock yourself in your closet, or not lock yourself in the closet,but so get it as the case may be time for you to is coming right up with this. So you'll get instant access to a five day jumpstart that teaches you the basics of getting time to yourself every single day. Which means five days from now you're relaxing at naptime without a care in the world until the kids get up or you let them out of their rooms. So what's not to love for an introverted supermom? Daily alone time?
Danielle McCoy:I want some daily alone time I don't ever get daily lunchtime. Yeah. Are you on social? Do you want to share your social media accounts? Or are you not on social?
Alyssa:I'm on social. I'm not terribly active. So I don't actually remember my handles offhand. Okay, fair enough.Yeah, you gotta you're on busy life that come in. You'll find all this stuff.
Danielle McCoy:Okay. Sounds good. I I'm glad that you came on. I'm definitely gonna go get that book. And I might make my kids my older two kids read it so that they can tell me what they are. Ah, all right. Well, I like I said, I'm glad that you are on and maybe Bonnie will pop back up. But that's all right.And we'll definitely have to have you back on for some more helpful tips.
Alyssa:Sure. Sounds fun. This was a blast. All right.
Danielle McCoy:Thank you.
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