Woke Politics & Culture in Canada with Stuart Parker

Stuart Parker is a writer, activist, former leader of the British Columbia Green Party and former professor. He is the founder of the Los Altos Institute a socialist thinktank. Stuart was cancelled a few years ago for speaking up against the rise of woke in Canada and left Canada for safety and personal reasons. We dive into many different topics that are covered more in depth in his memoirs. Stuart will offer you a unique look at Canada that you might not be getting from elsewhere.

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[00:02] Russell: All right, and we're back. Russell here with the canadian Conservative podcast. And today I have Stuart Parker in the studio. Stuart Parker and I did a podcast episode, I'd say, just about a year ago, and it was a big hit. I loved it. Great conversation, and it generates some really good conversations with other people as well. And Stuart reached out to me, let me know that he's putting out his. His books. It's a collection of the essays he's written over the years, and he wanted to talk a bit about it, and just, I wanted to kind of give an update of where he's at, what he's been up to. I'll give a brief introduction. Stuart Parker was involved in British Columbia and politics for over 20 years with, I believe it was the Green Party for the longest time. And then. Did you try to get into the NDP?

[00:52] Stuart: Oh, no, I was actually with the NDP for a longer time. So I was involved in VC politics 85 through the present, and I was with the NDP 85 to 88 and 2001 to 2018. In the middle there, I was the leader of the Green party's youth wing and then the leader of the Green party. And then, of course, naturally, the Greens and NDP formed a coalition government, and it was the worst thing that could have happened to the province. So that kind of realigned my thinking.

[01:24] Russell: And you were professor as well, and you have a PhD in history and informed by religious. Religious.

[01:32] Stuart: Yeah, I got my PhD concurrently from the center for Religious Studies and the department of history at the University of Toronto, back in the knots. And I studied Mormons, which turned out to be surprisingly useful because then my society was taken over by an american space religion. And so it was kind of convenient that I'd spent all those years studying Mormonism. Also, if you've been canceled, chosen people are the best people. Six Jews, Mormons. Without them, I would not have made it the past five years. But chosen people are used to people coming in vans and locking them up. Chosen people are used to losing their job for what they think. So it's been pretty convenient that there have been a variety of chosen peoples in my life, including the Mormons I ended up studying during my time at.

[02:33] Russell: U of T. And you yourself were canceled and continued to be canceled. And from what I understood, they even tried to come after your dungeons and dragons group as well.

[02:44] Stuart: Yeah, that was where things got really weird, eh? That. That's. That's when it's like, all right, well, this has taken an interesting turn. So my cancellation was a bit of a project, right? There's this point where Glacier media has accused me of being, as they continue to accuse me of being unprosecuted, serial child rapist, that's the claim. And then when they said this completely false thing about me on the front page of the local paper in Prince George, the city with the highest murder rate in British Columbia, the minister of education then issued a statement that I constituted an immediate danger to every single child in School District 57, where I was running for school trustee. So then I received. I and my landlord received a barrage of death threats. So I would like to feel that I'm like, I have earned the second because Megan Murphy got the first one. The second, real canadian fatwa. Like, I feel that. I feel there are certain things that are past cancellation. And when you tell a bunch of rig workers in the city with the highest murder rate in British Columbia that someone is an unprosecuted, serial child rapist, you're kind of playing with the person's life. So I fled Prince George, and people figured, well, yeah, they'd got all my stuff, but they didn't have all my stuff because I still had joy in my life. And so that's when they got the bright idea of canceling my d and d game. So, yeah, I did go through an eight month campaign of trying to make people leave my Dungeons and Dragons game. It's like. It's a children's game. We're playing a children's game. What are you doing? Like, what has gone on in canadian politics? That someone is sitting at a gathering going, it is unacceptable that Stuart Parker still plays a game with his friends on Wednesdays. This has got to be stopped. And so they did. This woman, Lisa Gimino, who worked for Carousel Theater, there was money in it in the end, because what I got into trouble over, interestingly, was not the trans stuff I'd originally gotten into trouble over, because if you put the word trans in front of anything now, it has to be worship if you're a progressive. There was this story about a nine year old boy in Montreal who did exotic dancing at a strip club. Nine years old. And he also sold sex toys to adults at a fetish store. And, I mean, house was a show that was really ahead of its time. And you know that because one of the best lines in season one is, I don't want to be all controversial or anything, but I think child molestation is bad. So I said on my facebook page, anyone who does this to a child should be dragged through the streets of Seville in chains. That was the old punishment for misgoverning the new world. Christopher Columbus was dragged through the streets of Seville in chains. Hernan Cortez was dragged through the streets of Seville in chains. And I think the people at CBC going, you're so brave. You are brave and stunning. Making your nine year old son work at a strip club. I should probably be dragged through the streets of Seville in pain. They even say these people should be killed anyway. All kinds of people who had had no beef with my I don't happen to think women have penises position went, oh, my God, that's beyond the pale, Stewart. How dare you. How dare you suggest, how dare you say that a nine year old boy shouldn't be a professional stripper. So I gotta say I was a little disoriented by that moment, especially because the conclusion people then reached was, well, we've got to shut down his d and d game. We've got to contact everyone who plays dungeons and dragons with him and tell them that their lives will be destroyed if they don't publicly denounce him for saying that nine year olds shouldn't be sex workers. Now, of course, a number of these people even knew that I was interfered with when I was nine. It's like, oh, you're letting your personal baggage get ahead of stuff. Really? Really? You think there's some alternative position on people paying to have sex with nine year old boys? You think there's some more nuanced position? Anyway, I didn't really get answers to those questions, but the thing was, what had happened was this carousel theater, which I had gone to as a child, as a child's theater company. I went to carousel theater when I was nine. And fortunately, they were not interested in having sex with nine year olds at that time. Oh, those heady days of the 1980s. Oh, my goodness. Back when you didn't have to check whether your child's summer camp theater company was interested in turning your child out as a prostitute. Wow, what a strange time I lived in back in the eighties. Anyways, so there's an individual named Lisa Gamino whose condo association agm I went to. Like, I think that if you've gone to someone's condo association annual general meeting, you know, they might owe you. They might want to cut you a little slack, right? Like, that's. That's quite the thing to do because there's nothing more hellish than somebody else's condo association meeting. But no, Lisa Gimino was working for Carousel theater after being fired as a 911 operator. God knows how that happened. And, you know, she had joined the Rainbow. She was writing a romance novel for asexuals. She identified as an asexual. It's like, oh, boy, that'll be a fucking page turner. The actual romance novel. Anyway, so the author of the asexual romance novel is working for Carousel theater. And they decided to put on a summer camp for drag. And they decided to create these, like, two cohorts, one for adolescent boys, one for pre adolescent boys, to train them in, you know, dancing in a sexually provocative way for adult men, because that's what children's camps are meant to do. Anyway, the problem was all kinds of Vancouverites were very eager to virtue signal about this camp. All kinds of Vancouverites had in their Facebook feed. Oh my God, look at this awesome camp. They. They teach your. Yeah, they teach four to. They teach six to eleven year old boys how to be sex workers. What an amazing camp. That's. Applaud every. So they did on their social media. But strangely, even in East Vancouver, a surprisingly small number of parents want their boys, their pre adolescent boys trained as sex workers. So the camp was horribly under enrolled. So although it was sponsored by five different government agencies, count them, five different government agencies, it was still losing money. Carousel theater was still going to take a bath on this thing. And so what they needed to do was identify opponents of the camp so they could fundraise off our opposition. So that thing about dragging people through the streets of civil in chains. Lisa Gamino went to Global TV and said, see, Stuart Parker has threatened to murder me. So then they had a big gala fundraiser, and all kinds of, like, regular civilians who had never enrolled their own children in the how to be a sex worker case, donated all kinds of money, and global tv filmed them. And everybody applauded and everybody wept. And it was great. Everybody was showing solidarity for the transgender community by fundraising off my alleged threat to murder Lisa Gamino, because I said that people who hire children to be sex workers should have something bad happen to them. And so I was living in Vancouver at that point, and a number of my friends decided they had to cut off contact with me because of the gala, because of my intolerable stance that maybe this boy shouldn't be marketing himself as a sex object to adult Menta. And I think that was the point where I thought, well, I'm not really sure what kind of a relationship I can have with Canada. Like, I. You know, I'd taken a lot of punches by that point on the gender weighing front, but people I had been friends with for 20 or 30 years, took me aside and said, Stuart, this belief that children shouldn't be prostitutes, it's too much like, you've gone way too far. We can't possibly have anything to do with you. And, you know, stupid me, I thought it would go the other way. I thought that when the national broadcaster for Canada went, little boys should be prostitutes and should wave their asses at adult men. I thought that would be the moment the spell would break. I thought that would be the moment Canadians would go, all right, well, that's enough. But it wasn't that. It was the opposite. It was all kinds of people who had previously been sane coming up to me going, well, you've gone too far now, Stuart. This whole opposition to child prostitution has just placed you outside the circle. Now, I was corresponding with a guy in Zambia at the time. Now, note, I am not in Zambia. Theyre having an anthrax outbreak. Its all really brutal. They fucked up the mining sector. Zambia is having a bad time. But I was considering moving to Zambia and Im glad Im in Tanzania now. And this guy, he was thinking about moving to Canada. Its like, dont move to Canada. It's like, well, I've heard all this stuff. It's like, it's all true, man. It's all true. And there's this moment where I win the argument and I convince him to not move to Canada and it's the moment he busts out. This term I've been unaware of, which is quite a charming term east african people have invented. Why, I do realize that Canada is one of the pedo state. It's like, well, isn't that an interesting category, the pedo states? And there are, like, perfectly normal people in East Africa who are just going, what the fuck? Like, like, do you know how hard it is to make the president of Uganda look reasonable? Like, Musa Veni is not a reasonable dude, but when he is, like, talking about his country's legislation on human sexuality, he now sounds reasonable. This kill the gay is maniac now sounds reasonable because. Because that's where the discourse has gone.

[14:53] Russell: And it's crazy that the discourse has gotten to that point. Like it's, are Canadians under. Are we under a spell? Is it is our, like, what is it that has people so entranced by this thing? Because gays against groomers, what was it? Two weeks ago? Now they got a shocking undercover scoop that there was a 14 year old boy that was. That was doing exotic dancing at a.

[15:22] Stuart: 14 year old girl.

[15:24] Russell: Okay?

[15:24] Stuart: 14 year old girl on testosterone this is in steamworks, where my institute. My institute was a perfectly normal brew pub. This wasn't even a strip bar. Like, this wasn't even a strip bar. This was just a perfectly normal pub that normal people went to and had french fries at. And now there's a 14 year old girl on testosterone and Lupron who is writing blog posts about how the duct tape is tearing her nipples off because it turns guys on the destruction of female bodies. You see?

[16:04] Russell: So what the fuck happened? Like, what the fuck happened become this?

[16:09] Stuart: How did Canada just descend directly into hell? Well, of course you've been subjected to my colonized by wankers article. So the thing is, there are two problems with Canada. So the reason Canada is one of the most vile wokeistans on earth is twofold. The first reason has to do with the work of Richard Bushman on the american revolution. So I studied with Richard Bushman. He was the grand old man of american history. When I studied with him. He was the external reviewer on my PhD, and he was the chair of american history at Columbia University. And you know how we talk about how the russian revolution, the haitian revolution, these various revolutions were hijacked? They were hijacked by radicals, right? That's the story of the iranian revolution. How is it that all these feminists and students could stage the iranian revolution and then the AYatollah KHoMeini and in charge of it? Well, the answer is that this is in the nature of revolutions. When a revolution happens, everybody gathers in the town square, everybody, because nobody is with the government anymore. And so because a revolution is produced by a very broad consensus that the government has failed, this unfortunately means that that consensus will have to be narrowed during the revolutionary process. Someone will hijack the revolution in order for it to have an agenda. Because a successful revolution is backed by too broad a coalition for it to have an agenda. So this is what happened in America. Liberal republicans hijacked the american revolution, but it wasn't what most Americans wanted. The British studied the revolution to understand how things could have gone so wrong, how they lost half of their economy overnight. And when the british empire was a great empire, one of the reasons it was great was that it could error check. It could look at its mistakes and interpret what had gone wrong. So what they found was that most of the revolutionaries believed that they were exercising their constitutional right as Englishmen to rise up against the corrupt courtiers of the monarch, to slay them, and to replace them with good courtiers. So most of the people in the american revolution had risen up on behalf of George III. They believed they were fighting for George the third. They were as surprised as anyone when George Washington ended up in power. That was that. That was a surprise. So when we look at revolutions this way, we understand then that the british empire, after the american revolution said, never again. We will never send Englishmen to run a colony because they might get uppity and think they had the right to stand up against us because they are Englishmen like us. So they sent the Welsh to run India, and they sent the Irish to run Australia, and they sent the Scots to run Canada, and they sent the Indians to run Africa. They never let english people run anything because they understood that english people would feel entitled, entitled to rise up and govern themselves. Right. The indian accent is a big mystery, given that Indo European and Dravidian are radically different language groups. Why would someone's accent from south, from Tamil, Naidu, sound the same as someone's accent from Punjab? They're not from the same language group. They're not from the same language. They're millions of people apart. What are those accents? They're Welsh. The indian accent is a welsh accent. So where did it go? But where did it go?

[20:20] Russell: All wrong for Canada. Like, well.

[20:23] Stuart: Well, this is the thing. So it was baked into Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland. All of the white settler states are like this. We are exceptionally submissive. So you'll notice that in Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, it's not just that gender Wang rules supreme. Every one of those countries has had a major chinese election interference scandal because we're designed to toady to empire. That's what we are. We are. We're toadies. We're stooges. That the fight against gender Wang or chinese imperialism or whatever it is, it's one big fight. It's those. Those our countries have to figure out how to get off their knees. But these are countries that were built on their knees. After the american revolution, the british empire went, how can we create a country that will never rebel? How can we create a country that will always submit? And that is what they have built in a place like Canada. So we are up against. That's why our own national symbols are all in play now. Why the CBC tells us that the maple Leaf is a right wing dog whistle, that singing the national anthem is a right wing dog whisper, that any expression of who we are is viewed as a threat by the establishment. And that's because they have deliberately built weak countries. Now, Canada has an additional curse on top of that because of how we went through secularization. So Canada did not secularize like a normal country. There was a movement called the social gospel that became very popular in Canada. It swept all the evangelical churches. It was this idea that you could use the welfare state to enact the kingdom of God. This idea was popular in many places, but it only achieved hegemony in one. And that was Canada. And so what there was, was a mass migration from the clergy to the caring professions. People like J's Woodsworth and Tommy Douglas went from being clergymen to social workers. And what that meant was that there was no true secularization in Canada. Instead, what we ended up was a religious public service that our social workers, our teachers, these powerful unions, these powerful professions in Canada, all just mass defected from protestant churches one day. And that means that Canada has never gone through the painful experience of secularization, because the clergy self secularized. But they didn't. Right? That's why the canadian caring professions can all believe that we have immaterial, undetectable, gendered souls, that these invisible gendered souls are born into our bodies. And it fits in with the canadian secularization narrative, because God was wrong. God put these souls in the wrong bodies. God made the mistake, not us. We are perfect. We are the clergy. We are fixing God's mistake.

[24:24] Russell: But isn't that heresy? Isn't that technically a heresy?

[24:27] Stuart: That is absolutely the definition of heresy. And that is what Canada is. It's a group of churchmen who believe that they are right and God is wrong. It's not a group of actual secularists. It's a group of people whose path from the congregational church led directly to a path in management at the Ministry of Social Services.

[24:55] Russell: You know what? That kind of puts it together, because one of your essays is talking about the HR class, right? The. You know how human resources has become like a. Like a control factor over Canadians, and it's a way that employers control people. And how we bow down to the HR class itself. There was that video a few years ago from that lady. I don't know if she was in Canada or not, but she had those crazy eyes. They tend to have the crazy eyes.

[25:27] Stuart: Oh, yeah. I'm massively in for the crazy eyes money today if I didn't like those Denise Richards crazy eyes.

[25:37] Russell: But. But she said she was like, you know, we're HR, and we're. We're the ones that decide if you get hired. And we talk and we have blacklist. So, you know, have your little convoys, have your little freedom rallies and that. But we're watching and it's going to cost you your job. And I thought, holy fuck, like, talk about a commissar. Talk about, you know, someone that holds a gun to your head and tells you, do what, do what I say, or else you're done for.

[26:04] Stuart: Yeah. And that's effectively what's happened. Hr, right? It's one of the mind control professions. There's advertising, there's human resources, there's management consulting. And one of the problems with folks like James Lindsay is that they don't implicate the culprits. Right? The Harvard School of Business, we live in their world. The Harvard School of Business created management consulting as a practice. And within management consulting, it created diversity, equity and inclusion as a practice because it effectively magnifies the power of management consultants. It's a pretty simple game. And I think this is like, this is where most Marxists go wrong, is that they care too much about the details of Marxism and not enough about the principles. And the principle is right, that the next dominant class will be the class that revolutionizes production. Well, 100 years ago, we know what class that was. It was the manager, it was the advertiser. Engels. Right. Friedrich Engels said, marx is wrong. The final frontier is not the material world. You think we will have achieved maximum alienation when the proletariat doesn't own their home, when they don't own their tools, when they don't own their time? Their time is all they have to sell. No, there's a path, there's a step beyond that. It's the human mind, that human consciousness is the last frontier, not the material world. And so 100 years ago, we realized that with Fordism. We realized that how you structure the assembly line is how you revolutionize production. And so when people think about the managerial class, right, that's what was going on in those revolutions in eastern Europe. It was not the workers versus the owners. It was the managers versus the owners. If you want to look at american politics, american polit, the american party system lays this bare. The Republican Party is the party of the owners. The Democratic Party is the party of the managers. And it is the party of the managerial sectors. Data, advertising, management consulting, these are. This is the sector. And so it's weird because, right, I'm. There isn't a most marxist would say, well, that's a revisionist position. Which it is. It is a revisionist position. It's just also the correct position. We are dealing with a managerial class that was made self conscious and agenda driven by largely soviet propaganda. And now it sees itself as adversarial to us. And we see us in a very broad spectrum because, of course, it's also the class of population control. And it's also talking about, I mean, look, I don't think the human race can survive with this many people on the planet, but I'm not with those assholes. Like, yeah, we have too many people, but all the creepy stuff they're saying, that's just creepy stuff like that. They're attaching to this idea of population reduction. But it's, it is, it is very disturbing.

[30:07] Russell: Well, and to kind of butt in on that bit, to me, they say that there's too many people on earth, but to them, they just, to me, what I see, there's too many people on earth. We're overpopulated, so stop having kids. But we're going to have children, and they're going to be smart and well educated, and they're going to have great lives. But I just adopt your cat, live in your apartment, go to work and produce for society, but we're going to keep having the kids in that. But you know what?

[30:39] Stuart: Well, there's too much pop. They see their public morality as the inverse of our public morality.

[30:45] Russell: But so why. But how?

[30:47] Stuart: Planes, they have big, they have big families. They do all that stuff because they're the elect. They under, they don't understand themselves to be the same as us.

[30:58] Russell: But when did we give. But when did we give them that power, though? That's the thing. When did we see that power?

[31:04] Stuart: When we talked into relinquishing that power. And I think this is part of why I exited the left, because I remember the rise of neoliberalism. And I watched people relinquish Powell because, and this is why things came to a head in 2015. Steve Bannon, whatever sort of creature he actually is, I'm not sure that's even discoverable. But the point is that a bannonite politics appeared, and for the first time, people were allowed to vote against these deals from the nineties that we had all had stuffed out our throats. NAFTA, the Maastricht treaty, the change from the general agreement on Tariffs and Trade to the World Trade Organization, the multilateral investment agreement, all of these major pieces of international law that eviscerated our rights as citizens and eviscerated our rights as workers. And there was a total left right consensus on them. Every political party rammed these deals through their parliaments in the nineties. And I was horrified, right? I was a Canadian who wanted Jean Gretchen to renegotiate Nafta. And what happened was, in 2016, suddenly the british people and the american people were given a chance to vote on those things. And so the discourse took this abrupt chain. I'd always been part of the far left, and as such, I was an opponent of NAFTA and Maastricht, because to review these deals allowed companies in areas of the economy that were privatized. If the government tried to resocialize those areas of the economy, any company that could have competed in that area of the economy could sue for the loss of its profits in perpetuity. So when Bob Ray, who was the best of the third way nd peers, I know he has not acquitted himself well since leaving the NDP. But in 19, in the 1990s, Bob Rae went, we're going to socialize auto insurance in Ontario. And so he was sued for $1 trillion, $1 trillion by every american and mexican insurance company that could have sold insurance in Ontario at any time between now and the end of the world. So we weren't allowed to own things in common anymore. And your minimum wage followed you everywhere? Oh, yeah, british people love the EU because they can't get a shitty job in another country. People in other countries will only hire them for good jobs. But what if you're a pole and your minimum wage follows you all over Europe so that you can be paid €6 for doing agricultural labor? So the thinking was, well, we've got the left nailed down. They've completely sold out. But Steve Bannon awoke the right. It's like, wait a minute, we don't actually have to go along with this. What if we voted against NAFTA? What if we voted against Maastricht? And so we see Brexit, we see the Trump movement. And so then the left has to make this turn, because suddenly the left are the secure votes for these horrible deals, these horrible poverty inducing deals. And so, if you don't support. If you support Brexit, you're a racist. If you support Donald Trump, you're a racist. No, there can't possibly be any other reason. It might. Of course it can't be because NAFTA killed your father's job and it killed your job, and now your town's only business is methadone and oxy, and all of your relatives are dead. No, you're voting for Trump because you're a racist. You're voting for Trump because you're evil. You're voting for Trump because. Because. Because you're inhuman. And of course, this was then magnified through the pandemic. Oh, you're unvaccinated. You're pestilent. You're inhuman. You're the scum of society. You're filthouse. Your filth. You're the scum of the earth. You know, this is what we face in. In recent years. And so the problem is that what happens to socialism in that environment when people who are going like, no, I think. I think I should be paid a decent way. I think my neighbors should be paid a decent way. I think that punishing these people is cruel. It's bizarre watching these become terrible sins. So, right, so we live in this environment where to even accurately describe what is happening, to even say, well, I think I should be. I think that. That I should be paid a higher weight. I think that newcomers shouldn't be brought here to take my job. These very basic things. I have managed to be stigmatized.

[37:01] Russell: But. And that's crazy, because we're living in a society where everything has to be destigmatized, except for smoking, okay? Except for cigarette smoking. You can destigmatize against them. But what drives me crazy, and it drives me absolutely up the wall here, is, okay, we talk about canadian jobs, right? We talk about we need to support Canadians and canadian jobs and wages, and that. That only seems to be government or higher level unionized jobs. Those are real jobs. But my friend who works at Walmart, making minimum wage, who literally got punched in the face by a fucking homeless person high on meth, while they just get what they fucking deserve. And that, you know, if they wanted a real job, they go back to school and they get a license to practice this. And. And so it's like they. These people, they got the good jobs. They love. I call it crony socialism. I don't call it real socialism. It's crony socialism where they got the good jobs, they put the. The gates in place. You know, I gate, you know, p or pulley if we're going to crash the gatekeepers and that. But they put the gates in place, okay? I got this job. And also now when I got the haircutting job, now, I joined a haircutting board or whatever and. Or association. And now you need 400 hours to become a haircutter of free, unpaid labor. Practicing. And by the way, you also need a college degree. So they just pulled the ladder up behind them. And now. And I'm just using an example.

[38:33] Stuart: Oh, yeah. But it would never be haircutting, right? It would never be haircutting because that involves doing a thing with your body.

[38:39] Russell: But, but that's what I mean.

[38:40] Stuart: It's like the teachers, that's, that that's their hard boundary. Right. Aside from nursing, they're very afraid of involving the body in work. Their whole theory of work is that work is thoughts about other people's work. It's not actually work that. Yeah. I mean, if this were a corrupt system that was firing in all cylinders, they would naturally have a college of barbers. But they don't because they find physical work so repugnant that the alienation from the body is central to the political ideology. So the only physical work that gets in are legacy caring professions, because the caring professions were foundational to this labor system. Teachers and nurses stay in because those are those of, those are among the first of the caring professions.

[39:46] Russell: So they're grandfathered in.

[39:47] Stuart: Yeah, but outside of those, you don't see any physical work. You don't see any use of the body because they believe that the body is a prison. They believe the body is a mistake. They believe physical creation is a mistake. And so they write. So it's all, it's all about things that are somehow above or derivative of the physical body. You know, in many ways, the most salutary thing in the commissar class is the nursing profession. That's why they're doing such a big show trial for Amy Hamm. I mean, they're going to do a big show trial for her because she's so good looking. And obviously, an ideology that hates the female body that much is going to irrationally go after Amy Hamm because she's so fun to look at. The point is there's a reason that it's in the nursing profession in Canada that the biggest show trial of a dissident is taking place because it's going to be the locus of the contradiction. It's going to be where people have to do the grotesque thing, where people have to push the male bodied person into the women's ward. It's that, that's where the rubber hits the road. So. So, yeah, I would say that that where possible, they avoid the physical body, though. They want to live in denial of the physical body. That's how you can even create a term like assigned male at birth.

[41:36] Russell: Birthing person.

[41:38] Stuart: Birthing persons, bleeders. Well, those are just epithets, right? Like, they're just, they're just ways of screaming cunt. You're a birthing person. You're a leader, you're a uterus haver. Could you just yell cunt and get on with it, like you're just wasting everybody's time.

[41:58] Russell: Well, and speaking on that, although I do want to go back to the worker stuff for a second, but speaking on that, the. It is interesting to me that whenever we're talking about gender diversity, it's always the female bathrooms that are all gender inclusive, not the male ones. Because even within that sphere, they recognize that the propensity for males to be violent is far more higher than women. Even then.

[42:24] Stuart: No, they're there. No, you know what they've got us scared of? That's a myth, too. There aren't a bunch of men beating up trannies in men's washrooms. You know what? I wish there were.

[42:34] Russell: Oh.

[42:35] Stuart: Because then they'd be more scared. They'd be less likely to rape women. If our bathrooms were the scary hellscape they claim they are, the world would be a safer place if men in frocks were actually scared of being beaten up by men, not in frocks. They wouldn't rape so damn many women and children. But they're not scared at all. They're not scared at all. It's like, oh, no, if I punch out that tranny, I might be viewed as intolerant. Then I wouldn't get any pussy at all. Like, that's. That's the thought of the average man, for fuck's sake. Like, it's absolutely pathetic. It's absolutely pathetic. It's like that woman wants you to punch the truth cranny out to Egypt like that. That's like, you missed called the whole thing. You missed called the whole thing. Look, when there was that school, I mean, there is a swim meet, right? In Barry, Ontario. You could drive there. You could drive there. And like, Nicholas Zapeda gets into his fucking bikini with his junk hanging out. And he's a 52 year old York university professor, and he competes in these swim meets against twelve year old girls, and he waves his dick at them in the children's locker room and nobody does anything. Well, women go into that locker room and they surround the children with town. But where are the men? The men are going, oh, no. Someone might call me transphobic if I punch this pervert. What is going on? Like, like, why are grown men whose daughters are victims of a contactless sex crime right now? Right now going, I'm not sure what to care about more, the safety of my daughter or my reputation as a woke suburban daddy. I. That's what's wrong with Canada. Well, Canada.

[44:48] Russell: Well, and Leslie just commented on here, and I agree because they know what side the law and media will be on base. What off Leslie just said there, why don't they go in and punch that pervert out? The reason why is it's because at the end of the day, and that what happened is we have built a society of safety ism so much where if that man went in there and punched that person out, yes, he protects his daughter, but now he lost his job, and he has, you know, the trans mob bearing down on him. And. And I'm not saying that's a good excuse, but at the end of the day, I think a lot of people are just scared they're gonna lose everything.

[45:33] Stuart: Right? That. That's true. There was a moment during my cancellation when Lisa Crutt from the hospital employees union goes, oh, no, no. We want to make clear. Nobody actually thinks Stewart is a child molester. We just want you to see what will happen. So.

[45:51] Russell: Right.

[45:51] Stuart: They. They were on. But the point is, everybody knows that. Everybody knows. You know, Leonard. Leonard Cohen was not wrong 40 years ago. He's not wrong today. Everybody knows what's really happening. Nobody thinks I'm a child molester. Nobody thinks any of this other bullshit. Nobody thinks trans women are women. Nobody thinks those thoughts. And so it's not about people. It's just about punishment. And that's where masculinity is failing. Maybe it's the endocrine disruptors, you know, because God knows we were all taken off that file in the late eighties. That's the first psyop I was part of. You can't talk about endocrine disruptors anymore. We'll only talk about how they're carcinogens. Because it would be homophobic to suggest that human gender and sexuality were being fucked with at a chemical level on an inconceivable scale. Let's just get the whole environmental movement to shut up about that right now. You know, that's a thing we should look into about a thing that happened in the late eighties. But the point is, endocrine disruptors are not a good enough excuse. I mean, I'm doing this. It's not fun for me. It's just a matter of basic honor, that if you're a man and you see an injustice taking place, you should try and hit it. Like, that's not complicated. That is that. But. But people are just failing at it. It's like, yeah, there will be consequences. There will absolutely be consequences. You absolutely will be punished. And I don't understand why those consequences matter to you.

[47:51] Russell: I think what it comes back to, as we talked earlier. It's the management culture. It's this idea, you know, because just, like, they just, like, the cancel mob came for you, they'll come for them, and then, like, they did with you, they just won't stop.

[48:07] Stuart: No.

[48:07] Russell: And it's true.

[48:08] Stuart: Like, the, like, the not stopping is weird. Like, the fact that, that someone is still on the file, that they cared that I still had 2d games going. Like, like, why would they know or care? Like, that is so creepy. It's like, you know, Stewart is having fun on Wednesday night. That has got to be stopped. That was really odd. And certainly it very much verified my theory that this is, like, East German Zell Setsung, that this is a very particular kind of social control that was developed by the most competent commissar class back in the 1970s. It really is shocking that as long as you continue to be a person, you continue to have a life, they will come after you. But at the same time, again, I've got to say, like, perhaps people are confused about what it means to be a mandehead, and I don't know whether you made it to the end. When I'm writing of my essay collection, when I'm writing about courting in the 18th century, like, young men in the 18th century who decided they liked a girl expected to survive a series of homicide attempts, right? Like, oh, if you like this girl, most of her male relatives will try and kill you. At least one. But that's okay because, oh, my God. Pussy, right? Like, oh, my God. This is, like, the greatest thing in the world. Of course I should be willing to survive a series of homicide attempts because the vagina is a magical and wonderful place that we. We get to go, ah, if we are so privileged and, like, that's fine. Like, they weren't. I mean, there are a lot of things they were doing wrong in the 18th century, but I don't think that's one young men should, in the course of being men, physically endanger themselves with considerable frequency.

[50:32] Russell: Well, I want to talk about that for a second. You know, one of the things I've said on previous podcasts I've talked a bit about in articles, and that we don't have any more rites anymore of passage into different stages of our lives. It was very, very common for most of human history that when you became a man, it wasn't just a physical change in your body. You went through, like, a spiritual sort of awakening where you would have to undergo some form of trial or tribulation. And then you were kind of welcomed as a man into the group, and that was very, very common until just a few years ago. But all those institutions that and women have similar rights or a little bit of passage are a little bit different.

[51:26] Stuart: Absolutely. And I just want to say, yes, you know what? Gender wang people, you can beat feminism. Feminism will lose. We will lose that thing, and that will be a tragedy because I will miss it. I'll be one of the few men who misses it, but I will. What the trans rights movement is proposing to do is not destroy feminism. They're proposing to burn the red tent. And the red tent is very old. There has always been a red tent. You burn the red tent, you have no idea what's coming. Right. If you create a society where there is no place where women get to just be women without us, if you take that away from them, you have no idea what's coming, because we're difficult, like. Like, just being around us. That's a big hassle for women. You take that away from them completely, streams of bloody tears will flow. Like, I don't understand how people don't see that. Like, this is bigger than feminism. This is the red tent. There are all kinds of anti feminist, hyper patriarchal societies that have a red tent. You can't just take that.

[52:41] Russell: I look at organizations that traditionally have prepared young people for adulthood, whether it be things like Boy scouts, for example. Well, there's no Boy Scouts anymore. It's just scouting America. And again, words have meaning. People have told me, well, they're just changing the name. They're just changing the name. They're just. That's all it is. They've been calling themselves scouting America for years. They just officially changed the name. And I said, but words have meaning. They're not just inconsequential things you mash together. And it's a signal. It's a signal of a culture shift that I don't think is organic. I don't think it's an organic culture shift. We talked to, what do you call them? The Eagle Scouts. The highest level of Boy scouts, the Eagle Scouts. And they're supposed to help develop policy and keep things new and relevant and that they have their own conferences, and they give their opinions on things, and they're saying, we don't want this. It has consequences. It. It just. It doesn't exist in a bubble. And so these organizations, whether feminine or masculine, they're being reduced to rubble. And so it's just like, one day they're like, okay, well, you're an adult now. What. What's it mean to be an adult? Well, you pay taxes now right there.

[54:00] Stuart: What does it mean to be an adult? Because what we're really dealing with, people say, these people don't understand what it means to be a woman, what being a woman means. No, it's deeper than that. They don't understand what a child is. That's why they use the word adult as a verb, because they don't understand what a child is. They think a child is a small, slow witted adult one can have sex with more easily. That's what they think. And, well, nothing good is going to happen if you think that. That's. But that is what's going on. Like, you see all these things and they're right. The demeaning of women in the language of the wokes is always in a reproductive context. And there's a reason for that. It's because their true target is children. Right. It's the children they're sterilizing. It's the children they're debasing. It's the children who are dancing for, for them. And I just don't, there's a certain level of hubris here that we're witnessing. It's like you really don't think there's going to be some price that will be exacted for this. You can't sexually interfere with children on this scale and expect nothing to happen to you later. I'm not going to tell you what later is going to look like. I'm not going to tell you if I'll even agree with later. In fact, you should probably hand us the power now because of what will happen to you later. Because the further this goes, the worse it's going to be. Because people who've been groomed, people who've been interfered with, the people who are fighting you now. We're the nice ones. The people who are going to be fighting you later are the ones you're imprisoned with. They were interfered with, too. They're not the nice ones.

[56:04] Russell: No, they're the disagreeable types.

[56:06] Stuart: Yeah. It's like, oh, oh. Now you get to find out the real consequences of interfering with kids. I have to say I'm baffled by the whole thing. And I was so helped by that zambian guy. No, Canada's one of the pedo states. Ah, it's such a great term, the pedo states.

[56:27] Russell: Do you remember the swirl face guy?

[56:29] Stuart: A little bit.

[56:31] Russell: So swirl face guy. He was a guy that was going to Thailand all the time and having sex with little boys there.

[56:37] Stuart: Oh, yeah.

[56:39] Russell: He had everything filmed included his face and how what he did is he took imaging software and he distorted his face to look like a swirl. Because from what I understand, those types of videos sell for a higher price.

[56:57] Stuart: Right?

[56:57] Russell: He was doing this for a long time, and he was like an ambassador from Canada to Thailand and everything like that. Eventually he got caught. We destroyed our relationship with Thailand because Thailand said, after he is sentenced in Canada, we want him exported to Thailand so that we can sentence and imprison him here and the victims can have their justice. He was. He. They figured he probably sexually assaulted over 80 boys in Thailand that they know of. You know what? He got in Canada less than seven years, right? He got out. He got out on a release, and they brought him back inside, I guess for a while, because while he was out on release, he was caught downloading child porn. Lots of it, too. So he ended up going back. He did his sentence. Do you know where he is right now? No one knows where he is because he got released. He's just living in Vancouver somewhere because.

[57:53] Stuart: That'S the society we are right city for it. I mean, I was quite surprised that my local brew pub decided to have a 14 year old trans exotic dancer. They're like steamworks. It's like, I've been going to this pub since the 1990s. It was just a local brew pub. And they decided to have girl on testosterone who identifies as a drag king, do this act there last month. So this individual is there doing this thing, and they, this is a child, and this is not a strip bar. This is like a local piece of. This is a local pub that I went to as, like, a normal person. And all these people at the pub are going, oh, no, this is fine. This is fine. This is perfectly normal. And then I was sent this individual's Instagram feed, and it's all about how the duct tape they make her put on her breasts is tearing the skin off of her body, and she's bleeding. And I'm looking at all these Instagram likes on this status, and I'm thinking, well, I'm not sure what kind of relationship to have with Vancouver now. You know, it's a real shame there's only one dam on the Fraser river system that, you know, that I probably couldn't destroy Vancouver just by blowing up the Kenny dam off Highway 16, probably wouldn't destroy the whole city. But what's amazing to me is that all these people that I thought were good friends of mine are fighting for this, are going, yes, we need this more. We need more children hurting themselves while we masturbate. And I didn't see it coming. Like, I really genuinely didn't see it coming. Thank fuck I got out of Vancouver, because I would not have been ready if I were living. I'm in Dar es Salaam, and you tell people in Dar es Salaam these stories, they have no idea what to do with it. They're like, well, that's crazy, though. That's what's going on there. How can that be? What's going on there? So there's a very comforting level of disbelief here locally.

[01:00:35] Russell: But I guess. I guess, you know, what. What happened to the police and all this, you know, we. Let's.

[01:00:41] Stuart: Let's start cheering for it, right?

[01:00:44] Russell: But, I mean, let's pivot a little bit. Just a little bit here. Same topic, just a bit of a pivot. Canada right now, crime is absolutely out of control. I look at Saskatoon right now. They're on their 7th stabbing in seven days. Like, serious stabbings. I believe they just recently had another murder, and that. And it's just daily now, and it's absolutely out of control. The jails are packed. They're overflowing. Almost two years ago now, I was in downtown Saskatoon in a restaurant. I got attacked by a homeless person. Friend of mine that I was with called the police while I was dealing with them, while me and the owner of the restaurant were dealing with this guy. And the police said, we're too busy. Call back if someone gets seriously injured. That was literally their response. And I thought, I pay you motherfuckers, so I don't do anything that is gonna put my ass in jail. That's what I pay you fucks for. And so I called and I registered a complaint about it, and they said, well, we just. We were really busy that day. And I said, listen, you know what happens if you're in trouble? You get on your radio and you say, officer down. Officer needs assistance. Whatever. You got 30 fucking cars there. So whatever they're doing is not that fucking busy, because you'll have 30 cars there in 10 seconds, and they're ready to poke holes in whoever's fucking with you.

[01:02:03] Stuart: This is, you know, people shouldn't study Beirut. More Beirut in the 1970s, because we have to remember that Beirut was the Paris of the Middle east. It was the most orderly city in the Middle east, and it hit a threshold where people stopped believing that the government served them. It was largely to do with the fact that they wouldn't update the census numbers because Christians hadn't been a majority in Beirut since the 1920s. And so they kept getting these new census numbers, which showed that Sunnis were a majority, and they kept throwing them out and keeping the 1920s census numbers. Now, the Sunnis could live with that because they were the second largest group. The people who couldn't live with it were the Shia. The Shia had become 17% of the city, up from three. And. But they were only getting 3% of the government services based on this census. And so there was a certain moment in the early 1970s where it just made sense that if you were going to pay your electric bill, you would pay Hezbollah. You wouldn't pay the government because the Hezbollah law fixed your cables, and the Hezbollah served sunni neighborhoods, and the Hezbollah law was onto the basics. And Canada has no sense of how close it is to that reality that when you stop providing medical services to a portion of the population, when you stop providing policing to a portion of the population, there is a day in your future where they don't pay their taxes to the government, they pay their taxes to the Hezbollah law. And that is what we are facing down in Canada right now. And that is what the defund the police people are about. Right? They don't want the police actually defunded. But what they are acknowledging is that there are a lot of people who would like to be the police. Your local motorcycle enthusiast club would like to be the police. They would like to operate in a deregulated market where. Where the free market determines who the cops are based on who calls that number the most times. And Canada is just flirting with this. The government has no sense that there is going to be a moment where people aren't going to call 911, they're going to call the Hezbollah law or whoever it is that polishes their motorcycles and lives on their block.

[01:04:50] Russell: Well, it's already happening. I know of someone who started, like, an underground neighborhood watch. They used to call the police if they saw something. Then the police, after a while, said they weren't going to do anything anymore or anything because they're too busy. So they just started at night. Hey, I saw someone in the back alley. So they would go the back alley, and then they would say, who are you? Why are you dressed all in black? Why do you have a backpack on at 02:00 in the morning? And so. And they might, uh. They might rough them up a little bit. They don't have any problems with crime in their little area right now because everyone's keyed in now that they're not going to call the police, they're going to go back there.

[01:05:31] Stuart: That is why you become the Hezbollah, right? That. That. Of course, if you're just a local neighborhood gang, who are you? But if you're sponsored by the Ayatollah Khomeini, then you have a network of gangs. And this is what's so disturbing is I'm watching Canada squander all of this stuff that it doesn't even know it has all of this state magic. This is one of the best terms a Holocaust survivor has given us. Irene Silverblack gave us the term state magic. That. That thing in Canada that makes you stop at the traffic light when it's dark and there's no one there. It's a very powerful kind of magic. It makes running Canada really cheap and easy.

[01:06:16] Russell: It's the panopticon, right? It's the idea that.

[01:06:20] Stuart: Well, yeah, except. Except that it. I would argue that it's more pro social than that.

[01:06:27] Russell: You think so?

[01:06:28] Stuart: I think that people living with the rule of law who really believe in it, have that state magic. They see this invisible force behind the state that is, like, bigger and fairer than the state could ever be. And that's.

[01:06:46] Russell: That's the social contract, though. And. Yeah, but that contract is. But that contracts broken, though, because.

[01:06:53] Stuart: No, it is broken. That's the thing. Canada, like, that's what Justin Trudeau and his people don't understand. It's like all that state magic is holding you in place. You're breaking it. You're destroying it. Do you know how hard that is to get back? How hard it is to recover that magic? Where people think that your rule is legitimate and authoritative, it will take generations to bring that magic back. It will take generations before something just being a law makes a difference again, and they're just throwing it away.

[01:07:34] Russell: Pendulum correction, to me, is the most worrying part. Because where socialists have failed largely when it comes to crime, when it comes to the social contract, the people, the managerial class, the chattering class, the laptop class, they espouse the social contract on the lower class that they don't follow themselves. They expect almost this puritan rule of over minimum wage class, the imported slave class I call the TFW program and that sort of stuff.

[01:08:12] Stuart: That's brutal.

[01:08:13] Russell: They enforce this almost slave like mentality over them wherever. Hey, you don't know any better. So we're going to police you by the end of the day. They go and they work at a factory or they go somewhere where there's no violence or anything like that. And they have a nice union to protect them. Whereas your typical minimum wage worker, your grocery store worker, your security guard, the people that keep the economy going are held to this insane standard. I mean, when they're training Tim Hortons workers from the Philippines to administer Narcan. And, and that, it's absolutely insane. And that's, it's like, but then they say, well, you just, just be kind. If you can be anything in the world, Stewart, just be kind because you don't know where that drug addict.

[01:09:06] Stuart: But the thing is, what be kind means is really interesting, right? Like, what it means is pander to the most emotionally dysregulated person in the room. It's very different than kindness because if there are two people in the room, be kind recommends that you stand with the crueler person. Right. That be kind is whoever is the most trouble gets whatever they want.

[01:09:38] Russell: That's, that's the worst mentality we could ever have.

[01:09:41] Stuart: Yeah. It's exactly, it's like, well, how is this going to go wrong? Oh, I don't know. Every possible way.

[01:09:48] Russell: What are conservatives doing wrong in Canada? Where, where are they most going wrong in Canada?

[01:09:54] Stuart: Well, I think that conservatives are dealing with a tremendous amount of loss. So conservatives went crazy before progressives. So you, you know, you had to do it on your own. And it produced tremendous culture loss. It produced great generational disruption. The Trump moment, all those moments, the tea party moment, they really damaged the ability of older conservatives to talk to younger conservatives. That's what I see because I'm now organizing in a conservative scene, which I didn't expect. It's just people are like, well, I don't know. Who are you? Why are you working with these people, Stuart? I don't know. They want to work with me. Why are you being nice to these people? I don't know. They're nice to me. It's like, why are you doing this job? Because someone hired me. It's pretty simple. I'm working with conservatives because they're the only people who want to work with me. So we're working on the projects we agree on, and we're doing so pretty well, I would say. So. You know, I'm working with conservatives these days. And so I'm very attuned to what they want from me. And what they want is an elder. I'm working with a lot of young men in conservatism right now. And Trump and the tea party and all that stuff. It screwed up. Like, nobody has elders these days. Everybody has experienced huge amounts of cultural disruption. They don't know how to talk to people who are older than them, they don't know how to talk to people who are younger than them, but that's actually very important. So when I'm working with young conservative men these days, a lot of my time is put into telling them about their elders, telling them about people whose names they don't know but should admire, the people who should have been here, the people who should have said these things. We've all gone through a cultural process that has involved a lot of shunning and a lot of hurt. And my main project is not even to acquaint these young men with my ideas, but it's to acquaint them with their ideas, to talk to them about the, and connect them with the older men that they should know. The older women, they should know. Everything I learned about doing multi partisan organizing I learned from middle aged women in the anti abortion movement in the nineties. Heather Stillwell, Kathleen toth. I studied at the feet of these people, and, you know, they, their thing, which I think is a very important thing, is look who you're with. This is a big deal. You want to develop deep relationships with the people you're with, but at the same time, you have extreme views that most people are not going to agree with all of them. Most people are not going to agree with all of your views. So you have to figure out how to be close to people, how to be intimate with people who mostly disagree with you. And Kathleen Toth, Heather, still, well, these women who would, you know, who were willing to die to stop abortion in Canada, and I was a pro choice guy. I remain a pro choice guy. I'm a big fan of Louis CK's stand your ground theory. It's like, well, if you're allowed to kill someone for being in your house, I think you're allowed to kill them for being in your body. I don't think that's a, that's a terrible principle. But the thing is, I worked with these folks and they're like, yeah, you, you have to find a way of being in the world where you're open to being close to people who don't think your thoughts, and that the rejection of that idea has affected everyone. It has affected the left much worse, much more severely, because I would argue the right got an earlier variant of the virus. It just wasn't hit with the full virus, the full mind virus, the left was hit with. But that's really the challenge. The first night I really did a political act, set the tone for me. I think it's what inoculated me against this moment. So Harry Rankin was a card carrying member of the Communist Party of Canada. He was a vancouver city councilor, and he was barred from entering the United States for almost his entire life because he was a communist and a city councilor. And he was a great city councilor. He was. He was a very 20th century man, like he was in this debate in 1986 when he was running for mayor. And Gordon Campbell, the future premier of the province, goes, well, Harry, I don't know about this. I mean, with all this social housing you want to put in here, don't you think it's going to be a little bit too dense? Well, you know something, Gordon? I think you're a little bit too dense, was Harry Rankin's response. Rankin? Rankin was angry nearly all the time. He was. It was wonderful. It was like. And, you know, this fucking conference as Wasserline comes up to me and she says to me, harry, you don't like me because I'm a lesbian. And I say, that's not true at all, Francis. The reason I hate you is you're a stupid cow. He. He was one of a kind. He ran for mayor of Vancouver in 1986. But the thing he would say after he retired is he had been to Nepal. He had not enjoyed the trip, and you'd be having a regular conversation with him. And then suddenly it was time to change the subject. And you knew it was time to change the subject because Harriet said, you know, they burn shit in Nepal. I really feel like that's the correct conversational intervention at this point. A lot of the time, you know, they burn shit in Nepal. The reality is that we are living in a very silly world where people are expressing sensitivity about things they should have just been laughed at about. Like, there. There isn't a rebuttal to somebody going, but I'm non binary. There isn't a rebuttal other than pointing and laughing like there's actually nothing to say. There isn't a cogent argument to be made. The world's gone mad and we're stuck with it. And how do you then deal with that? Do you normalize the insane world or do you do this other thing? Well, obviously, I've decided to do the other thing because I couldn't tolerate another minute in Canada.

[01:17:25] Russell: You know, going back to your writings just for a few minutes here, one of the things you wrote about that I found interesting was talking about celebrity culture and the allowance of celebrities to basically not be judged by their sexual proclivities. And that, like you mentioned in there, Gian Gomeshi, you meant. Yeah, Cosby for me. Do you think that's changed at all since you wrote that with, with the, with the advent of, like, Epstein and, and slightly.

[01:18:02] Stuart: No, no, absolutely not. I mean, Epstein was killed. Everybody knows he was killed. It's one of those public secrets. Anyone who says that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide, you just push them onto the ice flow, right? Like, like, everybody with a fucking lick of sense. I love it. Was the last good onion article. The last time the onion was funny was Jeffrey Epstein's death, and describes, like, a very confused Rudy Giuliani wandering around the basement of the prison with a garage, not knowing where Epstein's cell is. Like that. That's like, everybody needed to kill Jeffrey Epstein. And it was hilarious. I'm sure there really was a queue of all the different assassins who were sent to kill him that day. But there's this idea of, I mean, I dealt with this myself, right? People went after me and said I had sexually abused children because everybody knew I was sexually abused as a child. That's another public secret. Everybody knows which people in the public square had non consensual sex when they were children. And everybody knows who in the public square had sex with children. And we'll dress it up, we'll make excuses, we'll tell stories, we'll engage in all kinds of meaning making exercises. But it's obvious, right? All of your social interactions have been conditioned by people already knowing you had sex you didn't want as a kid. Everything that's ever happened to you was already based on that. That's just how the world is. It's a really detectable thing about us, and we all act like it's nothing, because otherwise we would have to admit how much of civilization is held up by people inculcating submissive pathologies in people by having sex with them when they're children. That's, that's a central governing factor. This is, this is my primary dispute with Marxism, to be honest. I see it as an enrichment of Marxism, because I think that sexual violence and water control despotisms is central to the rise of human civilization. I think that that's what makes us controllable, that, yeah, sure, we gain all these powers, we gain all these abilities to perceive the world more accurately, but we perceive it more accurately to protect ourselves. We would be more. Things would be different, right? So I reject a lot of the premises. I reject the Freud premises. Like, oh, oh, I learned those girls were being raped by their dads. And then I built a whole other theory to maintain my funding. I'm sure that that was not self interested at all. I'm sure. I totally don't believe those girls are being raped by their dads now. No, Freud builds freudian psychiatry because he sees the structural power. People who sexually assault children, they have tremendous amounts of power and they have huge incentives to maintain that power. And it makes us a more controllable population, so people tolerate it. And so when we look at that situation at a macro scale, what's really happening when I'm being canceled? It's just there is an agreement. Everybody knows I was interfered with as a kid. That's how and why they're doing what they're doing.

[01:22:00] Russell: So it's just another form of control through sexual violence and shaming?

[01:22:06] Stuart: Absolutely, absolutely. Look at George Galloway now. I'm not a huge George Galloway fan. I think he's colored outside the lines too many times. Times. But they're going ape shit on Galloway right now. Now that he's back in parliament. Why? Well, he's aligned with some really problematic social forces, like the iranian regime. Probably shouldn't have a seat in the british parliament. Or maybe they should. What the fuck do I know? But the point is that Galloway was interfered with as a kid, and he talks about that and that's part of the story. This is why England got to run the greatest empire the world had ever known for a very long time, because of the british public school system, that they, the aristocracy, made an accommodation with the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie promised that every prime minister would have been raped in high school. The reason people went apeshit on Jeremy Corbyn was not because he was aligned with Iran. That would have been fine. It's because he wasn't raped in high school. He probably only had consensual sex as a young man, and that couldn't be tolerated because it's an essential social control mechanism in a water controlled despotism.

[01:23:37] Russell: You know, I think of Milo, Milo Yiannopoulos, right? He was kind of the jester clown of the right, and he disappeared overnight because of one interview where he said that he was sexually assaulted by older men as a young man and that it was very common in the gay community and there was lots of predators and they were targeting young men. And as soon as he said that, as soon as he admitted a truth that no one really wants to hear, the. He was just gone. Gone. He's out now. And you don't really hear from him ever again.

[01:24:07] Stuart: Now no, I agree. I mean, he was rocking that mascot role pretty hard. But, yeah, you're right. You are absolutely right. I mean, liberalism is built on a lot of noble lies, and many of them are about male sexuality. And, you know, I came up as Sven Robinson's protege. Right? Like, I'm. I'm not unfamiliar with this world. And the thing is that, you know, Sven and his men could see that I was far too damaged to interfere with. Right. Like, but the thing is that when pedophilia and homosexuality were equally illegal, of course. Of course. They had massively allied referral networks. Of course that would be the case. Because, and I hope you don't mind me saying this, I assume you won't because you're one of the most interesting conservative men out there. Because a question that only conservative gay men can ask is, why am I gay? Right. No progressive gay man can ask that question. It's impermissible. Right. Homosexuality. The Muslims are right. It's a developmental disability. Your sexuality was frozen at a certain point because you were hurt or for other reasons. You can freeze someone's sexuality for all kinds of reasons, but it was frozen. So, of course, like, you look at gay porn.

[01:25:44] Russell: So there's. So there's, like, damage there, right? There's a lot of damage.

[01:25:48] Stuart: Damage, exactly. There's damage. But the. Yeah, but the point is that we can't admit the damage.

[01:25:56] Russell: Right?

[01:25:56] Stuart: We can't really talk about without touching the bad stuff.

[01:26:01] Russell: Touching the trauma behind it.

[01:26:03] Stuart: Yeah, exactly. That there was. There might have been a thing that made you gay. There isn't some special time. It's a hassle to be a gay man. It's always a hassle to be a gay man. There isn't some civilization in which being a gay man is a fucking picnic. That would be crazy. I mean, otherwise, like, why would we even have, like, the large gamete. Small gamete thing? Like, of course it's going to be a fucking hassle. Something has to have already gone wrong. But the problem is that homosexuality had to be uncaused in the progressive worldview. If it had a cause, it might comment, and that comment might not be good. And so, no, I think the Muslims are largely right. Right. But at the end of the day, you're going like, oh, dear.

[01:26:54] Russell: Well, there's the trauma that comes with that. Right.

[01:26:57] Stuart: Yeah. Well, you know, I'm sure our trauma isn't synced up properly. The thing is that in muslim cultures, they're like, it's a developmental state. Like, obviously, I mean, if gay panic didn't exist, the human species wouldn't exist.

[01:27:16] Russell: And I. And I think that's. And I think that's a common thing. You know, it's something that doesn't get talked about a lot in the gay community. And that although there is some gays, I know that I brought it up, and the attacks they get are very, very vicious attacks they get for bringing up saying, maybe this is trauma. Maybe this is a result of your absent father. Maybe this is.

[01:27:37] Stuart: Homosexuality is an injury I've suffered. Maybe I have a developmental disability, and that due to an injury. And like in muslim cultures, that's just normal. It's like this guy is still being a teenage boy. That's how homosexuality is understood in most muslim cultures. It's like this is a developmental stage that someone didn't graduate from. Let's figure out why they didn't graduate from that developmental state. Jeff. All right, so here's the deal, folks. I have noticed the rise of authoritarianism on the canadian left in 2008, and I wrote essays about it for several years. And last year, I discovered that I had written over 1000 pages of essays about how authoritarianism and its rise has been an important part of the canadian experience in the past 16 years. So I wrote that if you'd like to join my Patreon or my substack, I'm also writing a set of memoirs, which are much, much funnier than this interview would cause you to believe. There are some very funny moments. I know this interview went a little dark, but, Russ, thank you so much for putting up with me the past couple of hours.

[01:29:00] Russell: No, it's been a blast. Stuart, always great to have you on the show. And you can find Stuart Parker on Twitter. You can find him on Substack. He's got a lot of great content. He's got a lot of great knowledge. Encourage people to check them out. And I think we'll have to have another conversation soon, and we can go to even darker routes if we need to.

[01:29:25] Stuart: Well, there we go. That is a serious deal. All right, well, thank you very much, and we'll see you soon.