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"Turkeys Of The Year" Awards

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We announce our annual "Turkeys  Of The Year" Awards.   We debate whether Trump's  power has eroded  after the Epstein files vote defeat.

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Welcome to another episode of Inside Golden State Politics. Bill Bosky, former city editor and columnist for the Los Angeles Times. And with me is Nancy Bosky, our producer director.

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And I am Sherry Bebitch, Jeffy political analyst and self-styled medium agent coming to you from completing my annual pre-Thanksgiving ritual mulling over who should win the time. Honored Turkey of the Year award. The trophy goes to the person or persons who have really messed things up, big time, playing fast and loose with our politics and government. This year there were so many too many contenders to nail just one, but here are my favorites. In no particular order, one. The entire Trump administration from the president on down to his lowest enabler, and I'll toss in SCOTUS to dishonorable mention for their assist. Now, I don't really have enough time to count the ways in which I decided they would become a Turkey of the year. You choose to mag Mike Johnson and his congressional cohorts for their role in blowing up our country's fundamental system of governmental checks and balances, and for taking. 43 days of paid vacation as the nation's social safety net began to unravel. Three, the demo, the demolition crew that destroyed the East wing of the White House, four, destroying the east wing of the White House for last, but certainly not least, Elon Musk for being. Elon, I could go on and on, but over to you, bill.

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My list begins with the pride of Santa Monica High School. Their greatest graduate, Steve Miller, who's now a top aide in the White House, Steven Miller, top aide in the White House and is the evil genius behind the roundup of immigrants, which goes on every day to his shouts of more, more, more. Why were you only arresting 3000 a day? That's his goal. My second is. The Attorney General of the United States. We've had some real turkeys, as Attorney General of the United

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

You are right.

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One of them was during the Warren Hardy administration. He was a classic, but Pam Bondy is one who, through her general pushiness and incompetence is right up there on the list. Finally governor Greg Abbott of Texas who really started the whole redistricting battle with his ill be gotten idea of.

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Miss Trunk's idea.

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Reapportioning, Texas, and, so that they would get five more Republican seats. It looks like it's failing, and the governor may end up embarrassed. Oh, of course. Finally, Williamson Great lobbyist par Excellence in Sacramento.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Well,

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facing an indictment for looting one of her clients' campaign funds.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I, I think what's even more dangerous and even more interesting is the fact that Dana Williamson left her, consulting firm to become the chief of staff of California's governor. Gavin Newsom, and that's one of the things I'd like to take a look at what's happened with regard to Dana Wilkinson, who is known as one of the most powerful, and I would say toughest power brokers in Sacramento, whether she's in the public sphere or the private sphere. Why don't you bring us up to speed on why she's,

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Well.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

A tke.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

I was a reporter in Sacramento for 10 years, and, my, one of my favorite subjects, if not my favorite subjects, was lobbyists. Lobbyists in Sacramento. They run the place, and what Dana Williamson did, accused of looting her, client's campaign. Treasury is a little out of the ordinary. But lobbyists really, they're terrific to cover. they're very articulate. They're like good salespeople. they often know more what's going on than, than the legislators themselves. In fact, lobbyists write most of the bills that come out of the, legislature written by lobbyists they have a long and colorful history. the most famous was a guy named Artie Samish, the secret boss of California, who hung out in the, Hotel. We had a suite of rooms and, lawmakers could go up and get drinks and whatever. And,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Whatever. Huh.,

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

He set the pace. But when I was there, there was a, a lobbyist named James Garibaldi who represented the racetracks, and he wrote all the racetrack bills and he hung out in the office of the Senate, prote Hugh Burns. I mean, he was there. That's where, that's where you would find him. And,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Well, what happened to make this so horrific? What is happening now?

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Well, I just wanted, one more thing I love about the lobbyists

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Okay.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

they had an organization called The Derby Club.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

No, that's right.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

The Derby Club, and they all, they all wore derby, every week or couple, two weeks.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Every Friday.

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Dinners paid for by lobbyists and they would go to, a restaurant of, that, that was popular and would sit there with their derbies. There was a, there was another organization that wasn't quite as, great as the Derby Club called, milk Moose, that was sort of a, you.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Yeah.

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right? That was the second string. Anyway, they were a colorful bunch and I loved them, and she knew how to push the levers of power, and, she had, one of the attributes of a good lobbyist is, especially today with all US tech bills, she, she understood the legislation. She knew a lot. She probably, I don't know her. I wish I had, I wish I could have written about her. I missed that. She apparently had that ability of a good lobbyist to look into, lawmaker's eyes and examine the depths of his soul and his beliefs or her soul and, Get the

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

then it was his soul.

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she wanted.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I said back then it was primarily his soul.

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Yeah, that's

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Very few women,

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Right.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

few men. Well, but we still haven't gotten to the point where we know what she did to get her indicted. What happened?

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What she did was she and two colleagues, looted. the campaign, the Inactive Campaign, treasury of Bera, who's running for governor,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Now, yes,

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

he's not using that. He wasn't using that particular campaign treasury for anything. It was just sort of sitting there.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

he could just use it.

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that. Nobody watching the store.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

He was, secretary of Health and Human Services, which is a federal job, and he couldn't use his state.

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run for office when you're. When you have that job. So it was just sitting there and, they looted it and, the, the FBI has had their eyes on'em for, I don't know, four years or so long time, and

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I guess, 20.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

and finally nailed them. And, it was a scandal. Now is this gonna wipe out Bera from his hopes for being

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Well, let's, but before we, we can't make that that decision until we know they looted the fund.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Mm-hmm.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

indicted for wire fraud, bank fraud. Williamson. Williamson also used.$150,000 to pay for a birthday trip to Mexico. she used a, a lot of the money and apparently it's something like almost a million dollars, stuff that she bought personally. She then declared as a business expense. And that got her into trouble. And so she was indicted on corruption charges and on fraud charges. And no small beings, no small.

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a good lobbyist never noticed.. A good lobbyist doesn't get, his or her name in the papers or on online anymore. A good, lobbyist. Works, under the surface, and, does his or her work quietly?

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Oh, I don't know about that.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

the ones who start doing something to attract attention are the, they're the ones who get in trouble as she did.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Well, I mean, I don't wanna get too deep into the leads, but she was recorded and there was correspondence. So she wasn't standing on a table waving a California flag and say, Hey, here I am. I'm a terrific lobbyist. Remember that. But, She and this, what she had been indicted upon last week was not while she was a lobbyist, and she basically isn't a lobbyist. She was a consultant who then left. To become Governor Gavin Newsom's, chief of staff, and much of what she was indicted on is, has to deal with her career in the private sector.

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No. One of the things she's accused of doing was while she was Governor Newsom's, chief of staff, she, asked another, lobbyist if she had. attorney in the, civil Rights division, to, gla off, prosecution of one of her clients, which is, which was a, gaming

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Former client. Former client. Remember that?

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

I, former client, that's right. But she made the request while she was working for the governor. She shouldn't do that. I say that's a terrific lobbyist. Someone who can become, Chief of staff to the governor, and not only this governor, she was chief of staff for, to, governor Jerry Brown.

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It is cabinet

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she,

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secretary.

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she knew her way around. And

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

She must have been good at her job.

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Say is, is, this is so much part of the culture of the capitol. Of other capitals around the country. It is so much part of the culture. This little society of lobbyists, lawmakers, press sometimes

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Powerful staff.

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all, all together, all pals, all buddies, all on a very good first name basis. And how can this system be changed and improved? When will it stop? Because it's been going

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Wait a minute. You're, you're more gloomy than I'm, you're more gloomy than I'm, it's undergone several changes. But you, you can't get rid of it all. That's, that's the way I think of it. I would say that no matter how lousy it is, up in Sacramento now, and there are pockmarks, that's certainly the case. It ain't the legislature of the early. Part of the 20th century when Artie Samis ruled and he was, actually on the cover of a magazine sitting with a little dummy on his lap, and the caption was, and it was the governor saying, I am the governor of the legislature. This isn't the way it is now. I'm sorry. It's not. But what I, what focused me on this entire issue was the fact that in the reporting, there, there was focus on the governor, there was focus on, Congressman, secretary, the Sarah, because it was his, his fund that the, the, the money was sucked out of, if you will, both of them now. Well, Becerra is the, is running for Governor Newsom. Everybody thinks now in particular because he's such a. A champion as a result of Prop 50 is looking at running for president. And you know, I think quite frankly, that, in so far as NUM is concerned, this could at least for a while slow the momentum that appeared to be building as a result. Of, the California success in passing a redistricting bill in response to Texas, which by the way has just had the, the rug pulled out from under him. And I'm wondering might that hinder his momentum as he sort of is portrayed as marching toward the front runner ship for the Democratic nomination for president?

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As of, Five or six or seven days into the scandal. he has not emerged as the center of attention. And, I don't know whether this will interfere with him or not. You know, it's a, is it a one day wonder or five day wonder, or is it, does it have lasting repercussions? We'll see,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Well,

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

he is. He's, he's survived other setbacks and, he seems to thrive on them. He doesn't seem to get all rattled, you know?

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

he's. Country talk again about luck and timing. He wasn't even able to be con contacted'cause he was on his way to the Amazon rainforest. So. And this isn't, this isn't ended yet. I, I'm afraid. And the question is how deeply it goes into the dynamic of California politics and government, state government. but I, I have a, a gut feeling that this, magical momentum that he suddenly began to achieve might have slowed. A little bit, and I, I know, I, I have to say that I cannot believe that the many Democrats who are also, running for governor, will not make sure we all know that it was ER's fund. And if, you know, if you can't maintain. Control over your own money. And this could be an argument against Newsom too. How can you guard the funds, the taxpayers of California? If I were an opponent, I'd have my APO research in my media, people creating the ads Now, and don't forget that, do you remember way back during the COVID pandemic when, governor Newsom was caught having a dinner? At the classy fringe laundry restaurant up in the wine country when he was telling everybody, don't congregate. Make sure you have stay at home during the shutdown. And he took a lot of heat for that, I think quite rightly. And he still does take a lot of heat from that.

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Now he's, heading up front runner status. Let me say, I, I spent. On the Ethics Commission five years. And one

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

The City Ethics Commission.

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Commission was, was regulate lobbyists and look at their forms, see what, whether they were reporting things right and, all of that. well, I've gotta say that, one, some of those lobbyists were so smart, they knew more than we did. They were really good. They knew more. That's, you know, this is a technical business, sort of like being a lawyer in,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

It is

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in a major league, major league trial. and I thought that was good. So the system, they knew a lot and I found after five years on the Ethics Commission that the system is so ingrained. So much part of life in Sacramento, taken for granted so often. I, don't think it's gonna knock, Newsom out of the box. That's

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I didn't say that. I did say I do think it would slow this momentum that has been building since the election a couple of weeks ago. I mean, you know, 2020 eight's a long time away, particularly in politics, but he was on a roll, which may get a little bit bumpy, at least for a while. I don't, and I think that, you know, but Sarah's gonna be confronted with the same problem. He's given his opponent something. To attacking with whether or not they do, whether or not it has any impact, we certainly will see. But I would say what, from what I've been hearing, that the political elite, the power elite in Sacramento, the state capitol are in chaos. They stunned. It's sort of like the reaction to the first drip, drip drip of the Epstein files stunned at what's being

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I'd say with those two guys, I'd say strike one, two strikes to go before they're out and there's a long way to go in that ball game. Let's talk about Epstein. That's a,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Okay.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

always good to talk about. It's a, it's

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Oh, yeah. Right. Oh God,

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is.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I, I, enough.

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We were talking about this, earlier where the, governor would lose unanimously in the House of Representatives and in the Senate. on a measure as he did, on the, opening up the Epstein files. I mean, how could you lose more than not getting any votes?

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One vote.

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One vote.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

One vote. I mean, no, this, this vote, it's astonishing. What has. Donald Trump built his power on his image, on the perception that he is all powerful on his ability to keep his caucus, his conference in line, to threaten, to cajole, to make people do what he wants to do. That has led to the perception that he really is all powerful. Well, what happened with regard to, getting the, the files is this almost everybody, including hit every single Republican member of Congress. But one said, forget it for months, Trump. Had been saying, no, no, no, no, you can't have it. He was, you know, putting up obstacles to releasing the files. And then when it became apparent that it wasn't, he wasn't gonna get what he wanted, he turned around as one politician once said, the voters have spoken and I must follow them. And that's exactly what he did. Well, the perception of being all powerful. In politics, the perception is reality. The vote knocked that out. He is not all powerful. He is not perceived to be all powerful and it and his power, if there ever, I mean as, as whatever it was, isn't.

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well, speaking as a pundit who I'm sure if somebody wanted to go through the bosky tapes, would, would find out, On many occasions I said things that sort of added to this idea that he's all powerful. But, two things happened. One was public opinion turned on him. You can't beat public opinion. That turned on him

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

I wouldn't even say turn them. I'd say public opinion organized and became more powerful and won.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Why, because of the gravity of the crime.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

You be and also

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

He had gone too far. He was covering up at least, at least covering up for, a man of insatiable And

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Oh yeah.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

who was a friend, who was photographed, who was shot, you know, with them, they,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

He didn't know anything about him.

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other.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

part of the problem.

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but

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

What has happened was

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

but I think, I think that gravity of the crime, the gravity of the crime makes this different than anything else.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

also, I think it's not only the gravity of the, the, the crime, it's the fact that he lied and then flipped. He isn't being honest. He, Lanny Davis, who was one of Bill Clinton's attorneys during the impeachment, and the Monica Lewinsky scandal, advise Clinton to get out there and he said, tell it all. Tell it, tell it fast. Tell it yourself. This is not what Trump did and the longer he held

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Because he doesn't

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

back, oh, wait a minute.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

he doesn't want

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Shout, wait a minute. I haven't finished my point, darling.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Alright.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Okay, now what was the point? Oh, no. Tell it early. Tell it all. Tell it yourself. Trump did none of this. And again, the perception was the longer he kept blocking the release of the files. The greater question there was as to whether or not he was blocking it because it was too dangerous for him.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

That's what I think. He wouldn't go out in the country and explain himself because what he did,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

How could

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people

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

he.

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associated with were so awful that he didn't wanna talk about it. He didn't want anyone to know about it. He thought, that it would go away. As you said, he thought he was impregnable,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Exactly.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

at all.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Mm-hmm. And he's learned that, and I think it's caught him off balance, quite frankly. Plus the fact that, there is in the air, grumblings about. Questions about his physical and even his mental health. he is not what he had hoped he would be. he doesn't look like a dictator anymore if, if he ever did.

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No, he doesn't. He's far from going down the steps of that airplane like Obama did. And that must frustrate him.'cause he, hates Obama. He'd like to, he'd like to have Obama indicted.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

he may try. He's he. He's

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

like to have.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

working on it. He working on it.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Obama's citizenship taken away. He's talked about that be done,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Whoa.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

you can do that. There was a very, long and complete story in the LA Times the other day explaining that citizenship is, not in the constitution and it's a variable thing. It's a variable thing so he could, he could try

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

A lot of you were born in America. You are a citizen. But that never deterred Trump from doing something that was totally unconstitutional before. But, I mean, I think that's

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Perfect.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

my assumption is that the reason he's been so vicious about Obamacare and extending substances is he doesn't want a healthcare plan. With Obama's name on it with any other name on it. He wants a healthcare plan that's Trump care or the Trump health plan. It has very little to do with policy and everything to do with politics and, and personal dynamics.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

I think that's absolutely right, that, his. Ego, which knows no bounds, And the idea of there's something being out there called Obamacare,

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

And that is.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

when it's working, is, and if the Republicans, the sensible ones and there's the gut, it, if they don't renew the subsidies, which will come due toward the end of this year and people start losing, their insurance goes way up. What is it, Sherry, that some of those insurance policies, some of the Obamacare

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times what they're paying now in terms of, of premiums. That's what, that's what you're gonna see. And I mean, that doesn't even make the least bit of policy sense because. If you have no insurance, where do you go? You go to the emergency room. Who pays for the emergency room? The taxpayers, in many respects. And the fees that the, at the, hospitals, offer, I mean, this is what I see that really bothers me about everything that's coming back to bite Trump and MAGA Mike. They, it's and add Steven Miller. As a matter of fact, they never think it through. They say, oh, let's do this. Okay, we're gonna get rid of these people. They're gonna get off of healthcare, they're gonna leave, they're gonna die, whatever. Well, it's gonna cost a lot of money and we don't have that and we shouldn't take that away.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

No, the, so as premiums rise, no matter which policy you buy, there are five, four, or five. policies that you can buy ranging in price from low to to higher, but as, you realize how much you have to pay, you're gonna get matter and matter. And meanwhile, prices at the market is going up. prices everywhere are going up, and

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

That's not what the Trump administration is telling us.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

I know it.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

That's the point, isn't it?

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

That's right.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

That is the point. We are not stupid. We might think a little bit before. We come to a conclusion about what's going on. And I think that basically people believed Trump when he said on day one, I'll end the war and prices will go down and inflation will go down. And what are we nine months into his term? And I haven't seen any indication of any of that. And voters now are figuring it out also. They still agree with him on immigration, there must be immigration reform. But as you mentioned, they also believe that he has gone too far. His methods of dealing with immigration are not supported by Americans, and that's what's beginning to truly hurt. And I don't see any move. To to reform that, to stop these ice people from throwing people to the ground and, and detaining American, citizens and hardly ever do they at turn one of those crooks, those bad guys that Trump promised he'd get rid of.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

You know, the, raids are, moving south, you know, North Carolina, they're gonna go into, Louisiana. They're going into Red State Country.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Yeah, but they're going to blue di blue cities when they can find them.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

When they can find them. Yeah. And, that might be a little hard.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Probably New Orleans, huh? If they

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

that's what they're talking about. New Orleans.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

yeah.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Right.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Oh yeah. And again, it's a bald message that he's sending, but it doesn't help him. It, it, it undercuts what a president ought to be doing. He, it makes it, everything that he's been doing seems so blatant that what little trust most people have had in government, and to some extent. The judiciary is being even more dangerously eroded. And, and I think that, the Donald Trump we see, maybe not the Donald Trump he sees, but the Donald Trump we will be seeing is not the Donald Trump that people thought they saw when they elected him to another term eight.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Sherry, this is, a momentous event'cause we're taking a week off.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Thank you for reminding me. That's right everyone. It is Thanksgiving week and both of us have decided we're just gonna eat so much Turkey. We're gonna sleep with Trytophan, so we won't see you next week, but because we won happy Thanksgiving and cheers.

host-4ha0_2_11-19-2025_150425:

Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Bye.

squadcaster-0e7i_2_11-19-2025_150424:

Bye-bye.