It's hard to stay healthy when you're a photographer. From repetitive motion injuries, to bad backs and necks, to having to photograph weddings through sickness and pain, photography can definitely mess you up. In this episode we share some of our war stories and more importantly, wise tips for staying healthy. This week's random pop culture references include Muhammad Ali, monks in the middle ages, Ozzy Osbourne, and Stuart Smalley. Along the way find out why Carl and Dan rub their camera on their hips, and hear about Michael's first visit to the chiropractor.
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It's hard to stay healthy when you're a photographer. From repetitive motion injuries, to bad backs and necks, to having to photograph weddings through sickness and pain, photography can definitely mess you up. In this episode we share some of our war stories and more importantly, wise tips for staying healthy. This week's random pop culture references include Muhammad Ali, monks in the middle ages, Ozzy Osbourne, and Stuart Smalley. Along the way find out why Carl and Dan rub their camera on their hips, and hear about Michael's first visit to the chiropractor.
Informative and entertaining, grab your favorite beverage and press "play". And don't forget to subscribe!
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Michael Mowbray, M. Photog., Cr., owns Beautiful Portraits by Michael in DeForest (Madison) Wisconsin and also owns MoLight. Learn more at:
www.beautifulportraits.com
www.gomolight.com
Dan Frievalt, M.Photog., M. Artist, Cr., owns Frievalt Photography in DePere (Green Bay) Wisconsin and also runs Seniors Unlocked. Learn more at
www.frievaltphotography.com
store.seniorsunlocked.com
Carl Caylor, M. Photog., Cr., ASP-Fellow, Kodak Alaris Mentor, owns Photo Images by Carl in Iron Mountain, Michigan and also runs Carl's Coaching Corner. Learn more at:
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recorded my from a milking parlor in the heart of America's Dairyland. It's the photo happy hour podcast. Hey, and welcome everybody come on in and grab a seat at the bar. I'm your photo happy hour bartender Michael Mowbray and I'm shaking up a kamikaze of tart photography wisdom today. Joining me behind the bar are Dan Frievalt. And Carl Caylor.
Dan Frievalt:What's up everyone?
Carl Caylor:Hey, folks, Kamikaze Wow.
Michael Mowbray:Oh, yeah. Having like Kamikaze forever. Actually, you know what? I think the last time I had a kamikaze. I was in Michigan. I was in St. Joe Benton Harbor. Yeah. God bless was to be Yeah. And that was the night I met Muhammad Ali, who had because he had a home near there. And he came to the he was like in the hotel bar. So we're drinking kamikazes at the bar, and someone goes, I think it's Muhammad Ali back here. And it's like now it's not a turn around. Like, oh my god, it's Muhammad Ali. So that was pretty cool. That'd be cool.
Carl Caylor:Yeah. That'd be worthwhile being the bar.
Dan Frievalt:Fly like a butterfly sting like a kamikaze? Yeah.
Michael Mowbray:That was that was a rough night that you bought a
Carl Caylor:drink.
Michael Mowbray:You should have bought him a drink? No, he's Muslim. He doesn't drink. As a matter of fact, he could only he could only get an autograph from him. He had pamphlets. He had a briefcase. He had an assistant, there was a briefcase. And he'd open up the briefcase and had all these pamphlets on Islam. That he would sign in give them to you. Wow. Yeah, I just I don't want an autograph. I just wanted to shake his hand. big hands. Oh, believe it Yeah. So what do you guys drinking whiskey? All right. Here's a shocker a yeah to bring it back from Tennessee.
Carl Caylor:I did actually. Jen Kate gifted me another bottle that and I had already bought another bottle and so we hate that. No, no, no we drink I think to while I was there while we were there. I'm the same place now. They make a salted watermelon.
Michael Mowbray:Salted watermelon not
Carl Caylor:that warm. So what he said I said the same thing. Like we got it we got it but they had a little sample thing. He's those little cute little doll drink thing bottles and so we bought a couple of those and I'll tell you what, you can really smell the wit the watermelon. It was. It was a we're still not sure if we liked it or not. But it was certainly different. Could you
Michael Mowbray:run a car on it if you needed to?
Carl Caylor:Ah, you could certainly start fires. I'm not sure if it would run the car but it would help start the fire.
Dan Frievalt:I have a red wine and Italian red wine
Michael Mowbray:from a TiVo
Unknown:essential Vaizey
Dan Frievalt:data center AZ it's up redline
Michael Mowbray:County. It's a Bon Jovi
Unknown:Joby Garibaldi,
Michael Mowbray:calamari, squeezy. Bell, Omari. Yeah, let's go.
Carl Caylor:Hey, what are we talking about? What are we doing here? What do we do? Do already recording? I'm just saying After all, we are recording so so Oh, yeah.
Michael Mowbray:Are we okay, I did. I didn't hit record. Okay. So if you're joining us for the first time, or the 21st time, the premise of the show, is we are three professional photographers who have been around for a while. And we get together and we have, I don't know, maybe a few drinks. And then we talk about photography. And each week we try to have a topic, sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But this week, we're going to talk about health and what we do to stay healthy as photographers because it's wear and tear on the body wear and tear on the brain. Or, or maybe just war stories about injuries and illnesses that we've shot through. So I'm gonna
Carl Caylor:talk about health over drinking. Cheers, everybody. Yeah, that was.
Michael Mowbray:So by the way, I think you figured out one of the things that we use to help make it through the day is
Dan Frievalt:mental health is important if it means to have a drink now and again, you know, I'm not gonna judge or call COVID season you know, if you're from Wisconsin, or it's
Unknown:Tuesday, Wednesday,
Carl Caylor:or you know, and if you think about this, you just read the Bible it says right in the Bible, drink the good wine first. So I mean, this is this is a spiritual thing as well.
Michael Mowbray:So when Jesus hung out with his friends, they ran out of ran out of wine. It's like, bring me the water on turn into wine. Yeah, yeah. You want to if you want to party with that, dude,
Carl Caylor:you got
Dan Frievalt:absolutely. I mean beer and wine, water. You know, it was more purified or more. You purified water yeah so absolutely horrible So back in the day you drink wine you drink beer because you didn't get sick
Carl Caylor:sick it's true
Dan Frievalt:well and beer has no beer has a lot of nutrients in it does supposedly hops, right
Michael Mowbray:that's that's why the the monkey used to brew those really really deep dark Doppel box and things like that in my box they they brewed those for one season because when there's they're fasting you can still drink you know whatever and they drank this really heavy beer because it's full of nutrients is basically like a slice of bread and every glass
Dan Frievalt:I was gonna say is that where up is that where that term apart chopping it every glass can pretty much do this. You can
Carl Caylor:good dark beer you can drink it with the fork Really? I mean come on. So
Michael Mowbray:all the people in the village like Oh, look at those holy monks are fasting up there on the hill and drunk off their butts.
Dan Frievalt:keg stands going on.
Michael Mowbray:Guys are illustrating the yield of their Bibles are all like your modern art and all of them.
Carl Caylor:Now we know and that's the rest of the story. Oops, there you go. We just
Dan Frievalt:filled in is there you go.
Michael Mowbray:Can we call that pop culture? That's medieval pop culture.
Carl Caylor:There we go guys. Cheers, everybody. Absolutely.
Dan Frievalt:So you want kids you won't find that lesson in your history books. You're only right here on the photo happy hour.
Carl Caylor:And you're not going to get it at school because they all went virtual anyway, so
Michael Mowbray:you can probably see it on YouTube. So there we go. Probably Yeah. All right. So what's the start off? What's the worst? Worst injury illness whatever that you ever shot through? Either for a session or a wedding or whatever?
Carl Caylor:Just been so many.
Unknown:Yeah, I think
Carl Caylor:let's let's start with let's start with what happened during a shoot. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. So back right after my college days, I worked for a studio disappear and I built them a new camera room and a new lab and one of the things that he wanted was to have those the tracks the lane tracks that had the like scissors arms he could pull down the lights and everything so he had no stands on the floor and it worked out great problem was it was very tall ceilings taller than what most of us as scissors arms were supposed to be used on. So we creatively came up with weight spacers we'll call them well one of the days I studio manager was still there. And I was there to photograph a family that came in but it was after somewhat after normal hours that was when the family could be there. And they were just getting them all set up. I was swinging the main light into the right place and I turned around to grab my fill light and I thought what cheese a better I forgot something I've reached back and I was something hit me in the head so hard knocking onto the floor. The main light fell off the scissors arms and we were using the time we had white lightning 1800s
Dan Frievalt:Yeah. Oh, that's that's like a cinder block.
Carl Caylor:Yeah, coming right down. I was like the rest of the session. I was like holding my hand up here cloth because there's bleeding so much like keeping pressure out of here and photographing here. So but you know is the only time they could all get together and but yeah, those those suckers heavy. I'll tell you what. And yeah, that that left a mark
Michael Mowbray:blocks of concrete. Yeah, I was setting up now wasn't quite as heavy. It wasn't a white lightning, but it was an alien B that I was setting up on a stand Way up high. And I was basically popping it into the ceiling in my studio. And just kind of get some backfill in whatever. And I turned the work on something else that was during a senior session. And I heard something I turned back and this thing fell from I don't know, it was probably up about 1012 feet. Boom, hit me right in the nose. Split it open blood going everywhere. It's like I just started this session. So I'm like, excuse me for a second so I cover my face book coming down. When God when got a band aid. A couple of band aids actually covered it up finish the session. Seniors do whatever it takes. Dude, that's that's badass. It's like Hey, man, I was too busy to reschedule. We got to get this done. done right.
Dan Frievalt:I mean, knock on wood. You guys are gonna Jinx me. I can't think of
Unknown:anything.
Carl Caylor:Oh, man. I could go out
Dan Frievalt:going i know i think this is gonna be the Carl Michael show. I mean, I had I've had a senior pass out during the session that was kind of freaky cuz he was dehydrated and worked out before and it was kind of a warm day and I'm and it was Yeah, yeah. You know, and it's a guy and he's kind of thing I'm photographing him. And you know how guys are they get kind of, they're not as much into sessions. And I'm photographing him and I can kind of see like, his facial expressions, kind of weird and he's turning, I don't know, maybe the color was coming out with something didn't seem right. And I just like, brought the camera down was like, oh, what's up? You know, I'm trying to like, get them in the group before I take the next picture as I'm talking to them, like, Oh, shit, he's going down. And so I you know, I'm using I think at the time was 7200. Sounds a little ways away, but I could tell he was like certain a wobble and I, I ran in, caught them. And he just kind of did the melted down to the ground. Oh. So we Yeah, we pumped him with water. And I said, let's just reschedule. Him and a mom are like, No, I'm good.
Unknown:Boy,
Carl Caylor:yeah, I'm so good on it, you'll be fine.
Dan Frievalt:I'm thinking, Oh, I hope they won't sue me as something else happens. But
Carl Caylor:yeah, everybody pass it on you, Michael.
Michael Mowbray:Ah, we lost. We almost lost a groom a couple years back. And it was like, I'm like I'm at the back of the aisle. And it was it was that a was that that a golf course outside of Fond du Lac was spring springs or something like that. So it wasn't wasn't very long aisle. But I'm seeing he's just gone. He's starting to wobble a little bit. You can see the wobble on the wall. What happens like Yeah, and I turned to crystal is helping me out with ABS like he's going down. So she's circled back around the side. And I kept I came down the aisle. I didn't like Ron. But we got there. And we're like, he's like, we just put a chair underneath. So he finished the violins finish the ceremony sitting in the chair. So the bride sat down. The chair was actually kind of cute. But yeah, he didn't totally, he didn't totally go all the way down. But it was close. That's the closest I've come to losing anybody during a session.
Carl Caylor:Or I thought I lost the grandma one time. She at Texas School, mind you. One of our models we were at it was the year of hell, we were at St. Or St. Austin, whatever that that the college in between where we are now in from after a&m. And it was just a complete and total chaotic week, the school was not prepared for us at all. I mean, the university, they didn't know what they got themselves into. So it was it was challenging to say the least. But we're also having the same challenges as normal. We're trying to get models in for the class. And so one of the days the young girl came in, and for mom and grandmother came with her, and we were so short on models. I'm like, Can we split you three up, you really need to be here to watch her daughter can. Mom, can you go with this group and Grandma, can you go with this group? And they're like, Oh, that's cool. And they had a blast. And I knew the next day was going to be very similar as far as lack of models. So I said, Is there anybody that can come back? And the grandmas like, Well, I know they can't, but I had a blast today. I love to come back. So right. Absolutely, Grandma, come on in. So we're starting with grandma in the morning. And she's the only model that was there. So I was going to do a class demonstration. She walked outside and you know, Texas, a little bit different than, than here it was like 148 degrees and 113% humidity or something like that. It was hot, to say the least. And we get out there and we're photographed grandma had she was classy. She had really nice jewelry really nice clothing. Her hair was like Absolutely. prim and proper. Classic Hold on. No, she's smarter than that. But there was a really nice sports car parked outside that just happened to match the color of her dress. I thought, Hey, we're gonna photograph this class. Next to it, but we're getting that point we never got to it Actually, she kind of fell across it. But that doesn't count. So we're just just right right here
Dan Frievalt:snake.
Carl Caylor:One creative one image, turned her on to talk to the class about what we did and what were what I was looking for what I was seeing. And as I'm turning around looking at the class, I could see the eyes of the students in the class going Ah, there's something wrong and I turned on just in Tennessee, grab it hit them hit the pavement. Oh, no. I thought we killed grandma. So here we are calling 901 to try and revive grandma. She just got a little bit too excitement, too much heat and his lack of fluids. But yeah, I mean people could you guess and I had to that's, you know all our rules that we have for my sessions. And I'm sure you guys have rules too, that you explain to your your subjects when they're sitting there before you get started. But one of my rules is make sure you breathe in an hour over and over again. Because otherwise you turn blue in your pass out and have this strict rule now about photographing dead people. And that's where that all started this session. Nobody dies through my sessions. I swear to God, but oh my gosh, but so it's not always us getting sick. Sometimes it's Yes, our subjects but you move on and you do it. You can it's it's good to have a first aid background. Or at least a plan of attack, you know, or a first aid kit
Dan Frievalt:that helps whichever fluids and fluids water along. Yeah, I have a first aid kit and I haven't used it in, like 15 years. We're not going. We were camping a couple weeks ago and someone got cut. And they're like, do you have a band aid? I'm like, No, and I'm like, Oh, wait. I have a first aid kit in my truck for sessions. My photo truck. My photoshot along with bobby pins, safety pins, bra binders. bug spray after bio booty. booty shorts. Yeah. thinks it most guys should not have carrying around a truck glitter, smoke bombs.
Carl Caylor:Duct tape, chainsaw, you know, the important stuff.
Dan Frievalt:Absolute importance.
Carl Caylor:Yeah. tourniquet, you know, stuff like that. But you know, it makes you wonder. I mean, some of those folks. I mean, I was just doing Tennessee this last week photographing and it was different than normal, because what it was hot and humid in, in your melting constantly and but we're out the kid wanted to be, he's going to be a wildlife specialist or DNR specialist or officer, whatever. That's what he wants to do outside of high school. And so we did a lot of his stuff out in the woods and with his hunting equipment and things like that. At that great. This is right up my alley. But it was a different feeling because we're constantly was you're on the ground for rattlesnakes and copperheads in poisonous spiders. I'm going I'm not used to this stuff at all. But I'm wondering now, people in those places. I mean, you curious, is there such thing as a snake kit? Or? I don't even know. I mean, do they have like an anti venom that you can carry with ya
Michael Mowbray:or I think so. But no, no, you got me curious. I thought yeah.
Carl Caylor:But it's something to think about because
Dan Frievalt:well, that's weird to like he bases we go even here with the bees and the epi pen stuff. It's like it's even aspirin. Like, as a as a place of business. You're not supposed to administer or offer that stuff up. So yeah, I mean, if someone's dying, I mean, yeah. Can you maybe want to pick the poison out of their leg? You know, or piano or something? I mean, it's
Carl Caylor:a thing, right? We're jellyfish,
Dan Frievalt:jellyfish. If you're in Florida, you're shooting on the beach. Yeah.
Unknown:I love it, man. I love it.
Dan Frievalt:That's a friends. That's a friends reference, if
Carl Caylor:not culture. Well even
Michael Mowbray:have even mosquitoes because I had a guy a couple years back. Who got a mosquito mosquito bite right in the middle of his forehead. I was like, oh, that sucks. Start to go. Oh, he turns out he was super allergic to mosquitoes. I'm like, wow, yeah, maybe want to tell me that before we go outside? Cuz there's buzz ketos out there. Yeah. Can you Photoshop that? I'm like, dude, you got like a section of your forehead. I'm not. We might want to ice that. Let's just say everyone got a cold drink and put on
Dan Frievalt:a sharpie a job. Your alien coming out of his gut?
Carl Caylor:Where those characters from Monsters Inc. You know?
Michael Mowbray:Start talking. I was okay.
Dan Frievalt:That's so much here, here. Right.
Michael Mowbray:So why did you crop all these shots? Like just above the? Well, here's the
Dan Frievalt:speaking Speaking of which, different little tangent here. Did you ever you know purposely do that like crop and cut the top of the head off? We've all done that. Right? Yeah. But have you have a client say like, I don't want I don't like that image and like, why not? Well, cuz his head's missing. You cropped off the head. I go. Well, his body is missing too. We crop that off. But the problem with that is, yeah, they're like, yeah, I guess you're right. But it's kind of people freak out when their heads missing. But when, when the body's missing. Yeah.
Michael Mowbray:As a matter of fact, I kind of like to crop into the top of the head on tight head shots. Especially Especially if we're doing more of a panoramic kind of look I think it's a lot better look to do that
Carl Caylor:yeah right mixture is powerful.
Michael Mowbray:Exactly. And put them in a nice nice spot to campus.
Dan Frievalt:The The only downfall with that is when you order if they I still sell wallets I know that's a
Michael Mowbray:Oh yeah, let's cruise that.
Dan Frievalt:Yeah Really it really comes head I was like right the eyeball the eyebrows. So I'm adding like some on sometimes you know,
Michael Mowbray:a folder full of head tops that you could just
Dan Frievalt:Hey Helman soon to seniors on locked. Top overlays.
Carl Caylor:We're gonna have gingers and
Dan Frievalt:blonde hair and top.
Carl Caylor:blonde hair brown here, black here. What are you so people dye their hair we have blue and it's gonna look like a unicorn. This is gonna be great. The unicorn.
Michael Mowbray:I love it. Human adjustment layer on there. You can make it whatever color you want.
Dan Frievalt:conehead Conan.
Carl Caylor:So what were we talking about today? Oh, okay.
Michael Mowbray:I was gonna say what's the worst pain that you've shot through?
Dan Frievalt:Every wedding that I've ever done?
Carl Caylor:Yes, yes. Yeah, the worst pain ever. I went through that, I think was when I wasn't supposed to be. wasn't supposed to be lifting anything other than Well, maybe a beer and I couldn't even drink that. So triple hernia. Ooh. But yeah, okay. You will, but we had somebody in. And my son put the camera on the tripod, and it stayed there. Yeah. And I but I had to photograph. There was one session, I could not reschedule. It was a business session that people were coming from. Who knows where long that long way away? It was for the same Corporation I've been working on. I did not want to lose that corporate job. And so we just sucked it up. But yeah, it was a little sweaty on that one. But a close close second. I'll let you go. And then I'll give you the close second, but
Michael Mowbray:yeah, I shot three weddings with kidney stones. You and actually my favorite wedding I've ever shot was one of those three. But yeah, no. There are no there's no such thing as good kidney stones. But these were, these were it felt like somebody was taking like a ball peen hammer, and just bang,
Unknown:bang, bang
Michael Mowbray:bang. You know, it's like, right in the side and my back was it was not good. Not good.
Carl Caylor:Not good. It was a no fun. No,
Michael Mowbray:not triple triple hernia, but yeah,
Dan Frievalt:yeah, you know, I did. I did recall being injured once now. And it was wedding related. But I used to play a lot of sand volleyball. And which sounds kind of unique. Since I'm in Wisconsin. Well, we have indoor. So we do play your door door and volleyball indoors and volleyball. Yeah. But this was in the summer. And I play it a lot. I used to play like every night of the week and leagues and in tournaments on the weekends. But with weddings, I stopped doing tournaments. But anyways, during the league during the week, I really hurt my shoulder bad went up and just blocked the ball and it just hit it wrong. And I couldn't lift my arm like more than halfway up. And I was like, Oh no, I can't even lift the camera to my face. And this was like on on a Wednesday. And you know, of course weddings and Saturday. So I'm like, Oh, you know, but I did. I did push through it. And by Saturday it loosened up enough that I could at least get that camera up. But yeah, a lot of ice, ibuprofen.
Michael Mowbray:But yeah, it got got to the point where I last few years I've shot weddings. I always take two Aleve. Just before I leave the house. You know, it's just
Carl Caylor:it's cute.
Michael Mowbray:No, I mean, that's what that's I mean, that's the, like, the precaution for the day. Yeah. And that would that would help. I you know, actually one of the worst ones. And it just popped up out of nowhere is I got plantar fasciitis right in the middle of a wedding. And I had never had it before. I had no idea what was going on was a may wedding. We're shooting the rooftop of manana terrace and Madison, so it was all concrete. And then all of a sudden it just felt like somebody had taken that same ball peen hammer that bastard keeps following me around. He's following me around and just beat on the bottom of my heel with it. I couldn't figure it out. I was basically dragging a leg. For the last three hours of that wedding. I had no idea what the hell went on. It's like I step on something like pattern ever. So
Carl Caylor:yeah, it's amazing how much adrenaline can get you through. stuff. Oh, yeah. You know, and when you're at a wedding, I mean, you know, I always kind of left the, we've had I've talked to I mean, spent a lot of time with my wedding couples, before wedding day. And that was one thing I said, I said, you know, one of the benefits of going with me is that I belong to PPA, professional photographers of America and I belong to, most importantly, for their sake, the Wisconsin group, and why is it important to you? Because if something were to happen to me, it one it would have been really bad. I mean, I'd be i'd need to be on my deathbed not to be at your wedding. I mean, I don't care if I'm sick. If I'm named, I will be there. Unless I'm like, dying. And if that happens, I know there's people that I trust that nor my files, or my wife is going to call somebody on that list and say, Hey, Carl just went down. He's down, Amanda, and somebody is going to pick up that list and be at your wedding. And that's, that's, it's a contingency thing. And it's something that if we are photographing weddings, you should do should be doing that folks should have somebody that knows where your stuff is because I I've had on multiple occasions in the last 2530 years dealing with this. bridal couples call me on you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, say, Hey, are you available for wedding? Sure. When? This Saturday, Mike, what
Michael Mowbray:a bad day?
Carl Caylor:Yeah, I've had that too. On a Saturday, can you? Saturday morning, phone rings? Can you come to a wedding? Sure. When today? Why am I getting that call? Because we can't find our photographer. They're not calling back. They're not nothing. Some of them skip town, you know. So there's bad there's this bad people out there. But some were sick. And they didn't have a contingency plan. It's like guys, right? You better have a backup. And that's why these organizations are so important to be part of and have people that you know, and can trust that have your back on these kind of things. So
Dan Frievalt:I filled in twice for other photographers. Luckily, I've never had to have someone fill in for me. But yeah, I've I've done it a few times filled in for people who broke broke a leg or got like, a bad really bad because meningitis or something like that juicy. Oh my god. Yeah. So yeah, she was on her deathbed. So yeah.
Carl Caylor:death in the family. I mean, we've had that too. I mean, yeah, you step in, because and it's
Dan Frievalt:like, yeah, I'll be there. Exactly. You know, no questions. It's not about pay. It's not about money. Nope. I'm gonna be there for you.
Michael Mowbray:Yeah. And I've always said the same thing to my customers too. And never, never missed. A wedding never showed up late for a wedding. And I think some of that, quite honestly, is we all played sports, right? That's right. I think I mean,
Carl Caylor:I guess I learning part of
Michael Mowbray:it. I took a line drive off the leg in the second inning pitching. finished the game. hurt like hell later on, you know, couldn't believe the size of the bruise. I had a bruise is this big on my thigh? You know, raise up about that much too. But you know what, guys?
Dan Frievalt:Not even that big.
Carl Caylor:I was just gonna say
Michael Mowbray:no, no, dude. Back in the day. It was actually the strongest part of me was my thick thighs. I do. skinny guy with thick thighs.
Carl Caylor:There you go.
Michael Mowbray:Really hard to big,
Dan Frievalt:big, thick white thighs.
Michael Mowbray:Do you know
Carl Caylor:what? You know what they say? big hands. Big feet. Big wise, you know? And big guys? Yeah, big guys. Yeah. You know, but you hit it right on the head. I think a big part of prepping for a wedding or for photography, in general is is some kind of athletics. It really does help because, one, it's the mindset of just you're going to, you're going to get through this and you're going to live on adrenaline, you're going to get through whatever it takes to get the job done. And you're going to do it no matter what. Period it's, it's done. So it's again your game face yet well, and go in.
Dan Frievalt:Yeah, this kind of brings up a totally random thought but back in the day, that Ozzy Osbourne reality show, you know, and you know, Ozzy is getting ready for tour. So he had the personal trainer come and he's like lifting weights, you know, and he's like, Oh, I got it, you know, he's got to get in shape. For the tour, the tour and right and, you know, it's like that tour is is, you know, even at his age, or especially at his age, you know, even though he's not moving much around and stage it's it's it's a workout it's a group of mentally task demanding. So yeah, you know when when I did weddings I was in better shape but still on Sundays, man I mean because you I was wiped out and muscles are hurt like I never knew I had because you're like rolling and squatting and twisting and like running and oh yeah another I just had another horror story my very first wedding I ever did. No. Very soon maybe not my very first one
Carl Caylor:I said don't say your first one cuz I think I was there and that was
Dan Frievalt:the first one. Yeah, that's it I think it was my my. Well that was the first one. Yeah, so my first one I assisted at. So it probably was the first assisted one but it was outdoor wedding. It was one of those Wisconsin days it was over 100 degrees, high humidity and here's probably a pro tip if you're new to weddings don't Well, maybe it's not a pro tip but should be common sense. Don't wear brand new black dress shoes to wedding. In fact, no. In fact, I suggest and I learned this later on, it's just get black tennis shoes. Or it's okay.
Carl Caylor:It was a great
Dan Frievalt:yeah, it's okay. But yeah, I had black like Skechers which I thought were pretty comfortable, which they are but Oh, my, my feet were blistered in raw and bleeding and shit. And I didn't have band aids and I have tape. So it's just all day long after the first like hour, it was just raw skin rubbing against the
Carl Caylor:sausage, just like
Michael Mowbray:I just keep going. And as long as I kept moving, it was fine. When I stopped for a few minutes. It's like, Ah, yeah, I switched a black Air Jordans the last few years of wedding. So there you go, you know? Because it just you know, you're wearing black pants it kind of blend in there and good support. Yeah, it was funny. Looking for go out on the dance floor. And, you know, like, you know, like taking shots and turning. You get the basketball week.
Dan Frievalt:Hey, there's a there's a new, there's a new idea we need. We need sneakers for wedding photographers. It's an untapped market. Yeah,
Carl Caylor:well, click
Dan Frievalt:Jordans.
Carl Caylor:already have it? Try try echos echo has the dress shoe. That is I mean, it looks kind of like a dress shoe. But it's so much like a tennis shoe. And they don't last long. I mean, back in the wedding. When I was doing a lot of weddings. I would destroy a pair in one season. But they weren't comfortable. They didn't kill your feet like dress shoes do. Give it a try. echoes echoes.
Dan Frievalt:echoes, echoes. So speaking of Air Jordans, yeah, of course. I mentioned this last week, I think I'm watching the the Netflix series, the final dance, I think it's called. Yeah. And they talked about Jordan signing his endorsement with Nike, which everyone at the time was with Adidas, and, but he didn't want to compete with everyone, so his agent or his agent and want him to compete, whatever. And so he's like, let's go after Nike. And I'm not going to get the numbers right here. But they were hoping to get like, a $4 million return. You know, in like, five, five years and they got like, like, yeah, like a 20 million $20 million return in the first year from you. Yeah,
Carl Caylor:yeah. Yeah. See Michigan Go Blue. Just saying. I, they now of course, Michael George. It's a big, it's their main sponsor for their sporting attire. And now they're, he's making a specific University of Michigan. tennis shoe of running shoe. It's not even just basketball. It's a running shoe. My wife just saw a K popped up on the, I think got an email from the M den or Michigan or whatever. But it's, it's pretty sharp looking. And of course, it has the slam dunk thing, a logo kind of thing going on, but it's an actual running shoe not basketball shoe. Oh, wow. So
Michael Mowbray:that's that's kind of where I started. I mean, I bought my first pair of Nikes. The Nike remember the Nike cortezes. This is taking everybody back. So if you're of a certain age, so they're the white ones with the red swoosh. And now those are my first first real track shoes I bought in like Junior High back in the late 70s. That's all that's been around. Crazy shape.
Dan Frievalt:Yeah, another another cool Netflix series, I think it's called. I think it's an abstract. It's called abstract. And it has a bunch of different creators. Each episode is a different creative person and one of the episodes is the guy who designed every single Jordan tennis shoe You know, kids through the years, yeah. And how they innovated. And, you know, it wasn't just like, they just like, oh, let's just do this and hang on to it. It was all about design and Jordan had input and they'd get together and yeah, look it up a fun job. Right? Yeah. Wow.
Carl Caylor:So something else I was thinking about based on this, injuries or whatever. You know, I were, this is gonna be kind of twofold. Two part. Comment here, I guess. Comment number one is, I still see a lot of times teaching classes and stuff that the people the students are like, Jesus stuff is heavy, I, I can't believe of heaven. And we kind of we all laugh because we have a shot film and, you know, quarter on our Z's with big hoods, I mean, he's are like two or three times the weight of what we're carrying around now. So, but part of me is saying you know, what you need, you need to prepare for this stuff you have to have, even if even the light, yeah, you need to lift a little bit, you need to do some work. And note, because not only is it going to make you a better photographer, and more efficient person to be moving around, but it's going to keep you from injuring yourself, because even as light as our cameras are right now, it's still kind of heavy, and you're gonna hurt your rotator cuff, you're gonna hurt, you're gonna get tennis elbow, you're gonna get carpal tunnel. It's just, it's a wear and tear on the body. So get some physical activity and you know, go to the gym, workout at home, stretch, for God's sakes, stretch a little bit. You can't just come in cold and expect your body to handle all this. Because with repetition, your body is not going to handle it. That's all there is to it. So get a gym membership, or do everything like everything is now virtual. Watch it on YouTube, but do something. get in shape, stretch before session
Michael Mowbray:stretch before big wedding day, get good form. I mean, there is good form for holding and shooting camera and there's bad form, do see a lot of bad form. Because I don't know if anybody's teaching out there. But you see flying elbows out in arm, it's just going to it's going to hurt your elbow, it's going to hurt your shoulder over time, we ended up having a lot of repetitive motion kind of injuries in this business between holding a camera like, you know, a wedding day, I mean, a big long wedding day. It wasn't unusual for me to shoot 1500 to 2000 images. Right? You know, and that's, that's how many times I mean, the cameras down the cameras up. That's 2000 times. Let's say you're picking that camera up to the eye. And I don't know about you guys. But yeah, or drinking shots keys, but I mean, I i've always still find myself holding my breath when I take the shot. You know, I stopped I kind of stopped breathing. You do that? How many times throughout the day and you're getting short on oxygen, you know, as well.
Dan Frievalt:Not only that, I'm like crouched down, holding my breath taking a shot. So then I then I jump up and take a breath and it's like all the blood rushes in my head
Carl Caylor:is breaking the day, isn't it?
Dan Frievalt:Yeah. Speaking of which, car car? Oh, you remember when you were? I think he had rotator cuff and maybe that's another one you could talk about. But that's when I first I was at W PPI and I bought the spider holster before. Yep. anyone knew about the spider holster? Yeah, and so and that was a thing because having those straps and stuff always like, like hurt my neck would be so sore. So I was walking through the trade show and saw the spider holster and the guy's like China and I'm like, I don't know I like I move it weddings. I'm running. I'm running during regular sessions. He's like, here you go throw my camera on. So here I am on I'm I'm running up and down the trade show thing like this is awesome. Because all the weight. It was on the on your hips. Yeah. And so I think Cairo came, you know, later and I was talking to him. He's like, Where is he when he comes running back? He's like,
Unknown:yeah, like
Dan Frievalt:and and and since then they've exploded. Because Because it is a cool design. And it does it takes that weight off your shoulders.
Michael Mowbray:I always use mine for sessions outside.
Carl Caylor:Oh, I do. I still do. Absolutely funny cuz
Michael Mowbray:I use it for all my outdoor sessions. Yeah.
Dan Frievalt:Oh, yeah. I mean, that's all I use. And in fact, now it's weird because when I go on vacation, I have a regular camera with the strap and I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is
Michael Mowbray:terrible. Just it just just talk. You know, all day. Yeah, talking on you.
Dan Frievalt:So I got the little one that can go on the belt. Yep, the little holster because I got a smaller camera for vacation too and I clip that sucker on the same way. It's awesome.
Carl Caylor:They make when they make For your bow now for archery for attaches to your backpack. It's the same thing. I don't think I'm not sure if it's dumb, but it's a knockoff. I said, I think I told her my brother said, that sells him at his shop. Like the if this isn't spider holster, they're gonna get sued. But, but it's still cool because now it attaches to your backpack, whatever back but what kind of daypack you have in your bowl just slides into just like a camera. So I mean, it's, it's a slick system. It's, I remember, I know, at least to Texas school classes, that people saw me wearing it during class. And it's one of the things I tell them about why I'm using it for for health sake, number one, for me, and health sake for the subject number two, because if you have if you have a camera strap on, you know, things dangling down here in your chest or in your belly, and you reach down to fix somebody's hair or their clothing when they're sitting on the ground. And it's like, your wrecking ball smacks him in the face. For some reason they don't like that. I don't know. I mean, it's harder to retouch that out. Yeah,
Michael Mowbray:it's all in how you use it because I never liked the spider holster for weddings, because I was always using two cameras. So I had a black rapid dual system that was more like a chest harness. And because then I could grab either hand and, and that way if I'm trying to work through the crowd, I can use my hand and kind of sweep the camera back, you know, and can turn sideways. So yeah, so it wasn't as wide you know. But one of the nice things when you get those little snotty nose kids are always running around the reception because because their parents decide it's you know, they're there as guests and it's their holiday and they don't have to watch your kids and so their kids are running around and like holy tears. I tell you what, you clock one of those with a 70 to 200 and a head they settled down pretty fast.
Carl Caylor:shaky first guy say Oh, I'm sorry.
Michael Mowbray:Do we have to put a disclaimer here? I do not.
Dan Frievalt:I do not endorse that more child. Child parenting tips from Michael come into the next episodes. So
Carl Caylor:I will say this about
Michael Mowbray:the bastards away from the cake. That's the other thing.
Carl Caylor:Exactly. I will say this though, cuz I noticed it tell us to all the students anywhere I'm teaching but I know that at least two full classes have purchased spiders by the end of the week. Everybody in the class has spider holes. It was great. But I do caution everybody that when you're wearing them Be careful you do get used to it I mean to use to it that it just it's like it's like a gunslinger he swam out wherever don't win Do not worry. I've had it I had my camera hit the ground like two or three times now because I use so used to just dropping in there and also ah crap I wasn't wearing em belt this time. And the camera has to grow and so I just caution you about that but health really camera, not just the camera.
Dan Frievalt:Yeah, I always listen for the click but when I don't have the holster on every once in a while, it's kind of like when you you drive a stick shift and then you jump in, you know in the automatic automatic vehicle with that. You're always your foots always going through the clutches you're coming to a stop sign. There's no clutch there. It's kind of like that. People are looking they're looking at me because I keep trying to like they're like why are you just keep robbing your camera in your head? It's like I just
Unknown:feel good.
Carl Caylor:Yeah, my camera my hip. I can rub it. Nevermind. Anyway, so it goes car
Dan Frievalt:getting drunk. So we made some frisky.
Michael Mowbray:I know anything about that. Anyway. So anyway. So what other things can we can can people do to take care of themselves? I here's one, I'll throw this out at you. Um, years ago, now. Okay, there's a after story to this. But how bad weddings are on the body, in the bed on your shoulders, back feet, everything. I just I decided I need to take a massage after every wedding. So I'm just going to build the price of a massage. I'm just going to add that on to my wedding prices. Like it so I did that
Dan Frievalt:brilliant.
Michael Mowbray:I probably got one massage a year. So I made more profit. But I didn't take care of myself and get that massage every time.
Dan Frievalt:Oh, you. You're saying? You're saying you're like oh, I'm just gonna pocket the
Michael Mowbray:money. I had a pocket. I didn't I didn't follow through and like, you know, go and get the therapeutic massage. night I emphasized therapeutic massage therapy. Yeah.
Dan Frievalt:In February we jumped on the peloton bandwagon as you guys know, and it's it's It's an amazing thing. I was kind of like, leery, but, I mean, the bike is awesome. The community is awesome. The workouts are awesome. You get used to certain trainers and they really push you. And if you want my peloton code to save$100 let me know. But anyways,
Carl Caylor:it'll be on a Facebook page saying Yeah,
Dan Frievalt:but but it is and there's they're backlogged right now because of you know, there's so many gyms being shut down and and their facility being shut down and, and they've had to pivot as well. So it's interesting to see how they have pivoted, because their main core workout facility where they would record everything was in New York. So they set up cameras in the trainer's little apartments, and it was cool, because you could, you got to know the trainers, even more and their personalities even more and is more intimate. And there's just, it's cool, because there's tons of workouts like, I never I don't think I've ever taken an actual live workout. Because there's so many just cool archived breakouts and you jump on and push each other and you have metrics and they, they encourage you. So yeah, I mean, that has helped me through in it helps me both physically and in side thing that I didn't realize is mentally because it is, there is so many positive affirmations that they're telling you and because we all feel that way. It's like I didn't want to be here. I didn't want to jump on this bike today. But they're like you did it and you in now it's done. And you know, good for you. And just like other little things, like how many negative thoughts you have during the day? And you focus on that? What if you change all those negative thoughts to positive thoughts? How much brighter outlook would you have? You know, during the day, so, yeah, and they got cool music. I mean, you can eat Yeah, I mean, rock music, pop music like and, and it's smart to like from a business aspect. Like they're hooked up with Apple Music. So you can say, Hey, I love that song. Click Well, it goes right into your you know, and I don't even have an Apple Music account yet, but I'm liking stuff if I ever opened up an account I'm gonna have Yeah, you know, so they're helping to promote the music and and everything so it's it's it's a cool community.
Michael Mowbray:I want cheaper and I don't work out but I also got the I got the Stuart Smalley app. If you've got an app, where you open up the Stuart Smalley app or you open it up and he just
Dan Frievalt:set like the shake weight. He looks at you look at you, you say
Michael Mowbray:you're good enough. You're smart enough. And Gosh, darn it, people like you. So open that up every day. And that's it. There's your pop. You don't remember Stuart Smalley. That's like an old Saturday Night Live skit.
Unknown:Oh,
Michael Mowbray:no, no, no. Oh, well, we're
Carl Caylor:not here to pump you up. Yes.
Unknown:This is the only shake Wait, I got
Carl Caylor:a lot of our gyms were closed down for COVID and everything here and and so it kind of took its toll on a lot of people. But then I started thinking, well, we can do a lot of stuff at home. My nephew have two nephews, actually three now that have gone through West Point. And one of which is he ended up going back as an instructor for hanahan combat and athletics or physical fitness more or less. And part one of the things that, in talking to my phone very interesting was that he said, You know, one of the things we want to get through to people is that there's something you can do anywhere. And so if you're in if you're confined to a military place, you know, a very small place, you can still get in the right kind of exercises to have cardio, you can still get in the right kind of exercises to be limber and flexible, and all that kind of stuff. And you're just doing things like squats, I mean, just taking your camera and doing actual squats during the day, do 10 or 10 or so at a time and do three sets and then in the afternoon, do it again. But I mean, think about all the different positions that we get into and some of them are bizarre. Okay, we're photographing, right? Yeah, do it, do it for do it. When you're not photographing, too and hold that position a little bit. So that when we get there, we're not shaking. It's it's not just the health of us, that's for better image that we're creating as well.
Michael Mowbray:I used to wonder on day after what and why am I like my legs hurt and like, you know, of course I was on my feet all day, but it's like what the heck and I started to pay attention to some of the stuff I do and instead of squatting, I would like spread my legs like way out and then do like almost like a ninja kind of thing. I'm like, I'm not that flexible. But I would find I would just be doing that and just kind of naturally During the during the wedding day and during the shooting, and Michael No wonder I heard
Dan Frievalt:there's john Claude Van Damme
Unknown:pose john Claude Van Damme and
Carl Caylor:I just had I just had it Speaking of which, you know, I'm not I'm really not the tallest person in the world. And so I'm on my tiptoes a lot to just to see what you know, to get the position I want to a point where I damaged my foot so much. I had a nerve taken out last November. And it's been two years. Yeah, that's what they said. It's like a dancers. Injury for a ballet injury for being on your, you know, from staining your toes so damn much and I'm like, really? It took me 10 years to figure out that that's what it was, but it actually
Dan Frievalt:screwed up a nerve so much. So weddings truly did get on your last nerve thing
Carl Caylor:they did, or they took your last nerve.
Dan Frievalt:Or your first or last
Carl Caylor:nerve or one of them
Michael Mowbray:at least one level. Bottom line what we're saying is wedding sucks. Stop doing wait.
Carl Caylor:If I had to do at least get paid for it, yeah,
Michael Mowbray:it shots are awesome. I just did some just did some actress headshots. And I don't think I heard a dang thing and got paid. And got some really nice shots.
Dan Frievalt:If you're if you're if you're middle aged to drink a lot, and eat cheese curds, weddings are not your your birthday, Maddie for days what we're saying from them from three middle aged guys. Yeah. Tips. health tips are three middle aged guys.
Carl Caylor:You can get through anything. That's the other thing I want to tell you. I hope I get across everybody is that you can do anything for a certain amount of time. And a day, whether it's a wedding or a senior or family or something, you can suck it up. I mean, get pull up your big boy pants or big girl pants and just get it done. A gentleman does a lot of things for you. I mean, when you guys were up for our spring break two years ago, whatever year and a half go now whatever that and I remember I was walking around like Cashman something just doesn't feel right. My neck is hurt and everything and and come to find out it got worse and worse and and ruptured a disc in my neck and had to have surgery on it. And that was on was that Monday, Sunday, I was on a flight to Texas go to teach a class. All right. Remember, you can suck things up. You'd be surprised what your body can do if you just put your mind to it. Right? And just you know, this
Michael Mowbray:doesn't mean it's gonna be good. It's not gonna be fun.
Carl Caylor:No, but you get over it.
Michael Mowbray:Yeah. But you're a professional and you get it done.
Dan Frievalt:Yeah. Or like we mentioned before, try and take a little bit better care of yourself of yourself. Yeah, so things don't happen. But we we don't have control stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's things we can't control. But you know, and even Okay, I'm gonna throw this out there with that, you know, with the whole COVID thing and everything. I think that no one is really talking about is just health in general. And just, you know, there's so much stuff processed foods and different things that you know that that delicious. Yeah, they're delicious. They're inexpensive. They're really
Michael Mowbray:easy to date have our Oreos processed food Is that considered? No, no, no,
Dan Frievalt:that's that's one of the five food groups for Oreos. Yeah, Oreos, you know, you know, and, you know, and I and this is not coming necessarily from me. Now. It's coming more from my wife who is you know, very healthy. And you guys saw before we jumped out I was eating ice cream sandwich. And that's because she's gone tonight. Yeah, it was gone. She was gone. Yeah, well, so. So yeah, hopefully she doesn't listen to this episode, but she actually did buy them for me. But um, you know, she's like, as long as you don't eat them every night, you know? And that was moderation attire
Carl Caylor:that was supposed to get you through the whole year dude the whole year right right.
Dan Frievalt:So yeah, so for us it kind of funny it's I know like I lost weight during the whole stay at home COVID thing because because we were living together and there was no sneaking snacks I mean, there was a lot in there was a little fast food breaks there was no little run into the store and getting Pringles and Dr. Pepper like we I I had a heat eat Yeah, there was no Starbucks Starbucks was closed. I was working out at the peloton like yeah, since since everything opened back up. I've gained a little bit. But so so yes, this is more coming from her. But yeah, the healthier you are the healthier body is the more you can fight in front factions, you know, I'm not saying you're going to be immune to COVID. You know, but it does help. You know, I believe strongly in that and it is tough. Like, the best thing you can do is shop in the the outside perimeter of a grocery store. And that's the most expensive food you're gonna, you know, an organic food, it's expensive farmers markets, it's expensive. We buy that stuff, it's, it costs a lot of money. Sure. But how much is health care costs, you know, later on more as as well. And that's what it's, it's, it's a hard, it's tough. No one wants to do it. I don't like to do it. But it does help. And I, you know, so someday I'll be or I'll live longer because of what she's helping me through right now.
Michael Mowbray:Well, along with that, and this is this, we're going to get into the whole PSA part here. You know, when you hit 50, get your colonoscopy. And guys salute guys and ladies, because we just lost a good friend a month and a half ago, who she kept putting it off, putting it off. Got colon cancer spread through the body and took her early. So about two years younger than me. Yeah, wow. No,
Carl Caylor:yeah, just go get your get your checkup done. Nobody likes it.
Michael Mowbray:No, I mean, I just I put it off. I mean, I did the waited a couple years before I am getting going in for mine. But, you know, thankfully, everything was good. I finally went to Oh, this is one of the things that precipitated this whole concept for today was I finally went to a chiropractor today for the first time of my life because I've been having some lower back issues. And we've got a neighbor who is a chiropractor, which, you know, makes it easy because I saw I go go go to see Dr. Amy. First time ever been to a chiropractor, by the way. Okay. Are you supposed to get completely naked for a chiropractor?
Carl Caylor:I knew it was coming. Yes, the answer is yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. So, you're supposed to go in from your vehicle. You're not you. So sabbaticals in that's,
Dan Frievalt:that's what I was gonna say. It's not so much getting naked. It's probably if you walk it over there naked was the awkward part.
Unknown:Once you have your mask on
Carl Caylor:your mask, the right thing? Well,
Michael Mowbray:yes. Anyway. Um, so, um, you know, I'm laying face down, and she's like, oh, you're one leg shorter than the other. It's like, What are those? You think I'd be walking in circles all the time. But anyway, yeah. So he's like checking things out. It's like, Well, yeah, he gets problems here. And she's like, and she's going, do you have asthma when you were younger? I'm like, well, you're like frickin psychic here is like, yeah, it has been when I was a kid. It's like, Oh, yeah. Because the way your spine is curving here, it's usually indicative of people who have trouble breathing, and I'm like, this is freaking me out. But anyway, she's talking along. And she's like, Okay, I'm gonna make an adjustment. So this is the first adjustment I'm gonna make, it's gonna be a big one. And I just want you to breathe deep and let it out and you're going to hear a pop and you're gonna feel some pressure. I'm like, okay, whatever. So I take a deep breath and on and she just jams in the middle of my back. It's like, coat rack. And it felt like yeah, that's exactly what I said. I said, What? We both we both started laughing her ass off. It was just like, I was not expecting that. But I'm back. I felt taller. I got off the table. I felt taller. But right now, where she cracked me I'm feeling right now. There's a couple days Yeah,
Unknown:yeah, yeah.
Carl Caylor:She told me that way. Oh, yeah, I've got multiple
Michael Mowbray:appointments I've got Yeah,
Carl Caylor:you're a mess. I'm a lot of problems get fixed like little
Unknown:micro skygo gets fixed. I got a lot of problems. So what happens
Michael Mowbray:next time I'll close to you know the same thing. Are you are you supposed to get completely naked for your dentist? Um, just
Carl Caylor:know that one you not? No, absolutely. No.
Michael Mowbray:Okay. Duly noted.
Dan Frievalt:But I've woken up naked if my shirts buttoned differently
Carl Caylor:if you're too damn sexy, they're Damn.
Unknown:Oh, I don't even have a fat lip.
Michael Mowbray:I think that's gonna count as a parting shot.
Carl Caylor:It's like a mic drop.
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Michael Mowbray:The monks would love that.
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Michael Mowbray:bring it back in. Because I have one leg that's longer than the other. Anyway. So on that note, cheers to you guys.
Carl Caylor:Cheers. Cheers. Last call.
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