HOTLCAST
HOTLCAST
Our Journey and Plan for Growth
Click here to check out Cody's song: "Pray More, Worry Less"!
Welcome to the HOTLCast, where faith meets real life! Join Cyle, Matt, and Mark as they share stories, laughter, and honest conversations about what it means to be part of a church family. In this episode, we dive into Vision 330—our bold plan for the future of our church community.
We discuss:
- The heart behind Vision 330 and what it means for every member, young and old
- How everyone can participate, no matter their background or means
- The importance of unity, transparency, and embracing a culture of honor
- Exciting updates on church growth, building projects, and new ministry opportunities
- Personal stories of faith, leadership, and the next generation stepping up
- The challenges and blessings of change, and how we’re moving forward together
Whether you’re a longtime member or just curious about our journey, this podcast is your invitation to join the conversation and be part of something bigger. Are you ready to step into the vision?
Hello and welcome to the HOTLCast cast. This is HOTLCast
and Matt and Mark.
Yeah, mark. You look good in lavender.
Thank you. Yeah, I really like this. This version of the pri More worry Less, yeah. Specialty sweatshirts that we have at the Nook. Yeah.
Here's the deal. We're all wearing pre more worry, less sweatshirts.
We did not plan this today. We
didn't. No, we did not at all. Andre
came to staff meeting too and also had one on, so we had four of them sitting around staff meeting. It was awesome.
It was wonderful.
No. So we are, it's
so cozy too. It's
fuzzy on the inside. I like it a lot. Jared is still waiting for his limited edition brown one, but we haven't seen that actually get made yet.
Yes, I did see
who bought it finally. Oh yeah, yeah, I did see, uh, a lady bought it. Okay. One of the ladies, our church bought it. I did see her Sunday. She hadn't been here in a couple weeks, but she was wearing it Sunday. So that's who got the brown one.
There it is.
The brown one was actually Jared's. He requested a brown one.
But it got put in the store before I could take it outta the box. Oops. And it got sold immediately. So Jared does not have a brown one, so that's unfortunate. There's only one brown one,
so it's very limited edition until he does get his other one.
Yeah. And I haven't ordered another one for him yet. Yeah, yeah.
So sorry about that. But I mean, we have, I'll order again, but I might not, I might not order the brown one. I might just like, nah, Jared, you missed your shot. Like you should have got that one, but. Um, we don't, we have, we have to figure out what next we're gonna do.
Yeah. We need some
HOTL Christmas. Christmas.
I don't
know if you noticed or not, but we're actually running low again in there on all of the pray more worry less stuff like, oh,
are we?
Yeah. We have people in Jackson who have ordered certain colors and even they haven't gotten. Yet, so, well I,
yeah, I don't even know about that. Yeah, so, and I'm the one, it's good.
So that's probably, I probably need to know maybe, maybe I have a text about that, you know, now I need to find out. But um, speaking of Pray More, worry Less what Cody, Cody sang the song. People like that song. We got a bunch of kids that listen to the song. We gotta see here another original song, song. It's on Spotify that Kylie sang so on.
Is that
on Spotify yet? Kylie is Love God, love people. No, no, it's,
it's almost ready.
Pray more, worry Less is, yeah. I have, I have to let you guys listen. I have the, I'm gonna put a link in that description. Check out the description.
Yeah. Make sure you do. Or people, I'm gonna be getting comments. There's no link in the description.
Mark's a wire. It'll
be the Spotify link. So if you don't use Spotify, I'm sorry. But, um,
it is everywhere. It. It's on all of Just noticed. Yeah. Yesterday it's on something. Oh, nice. Heard of. Yeah, so, well, the Spotify, not iHeartRadio, it was on a iHeartRadio. Just got put on there. It took a forever to get on iHeartRadio.
Oh. You can listen to an iHeart radio, Pandora. Everywhere It's, it's like everywhere. So, Hmm. You can tag it on TikTok,
Pandora. Can you also go download it on a OL? I know, like
there's the bad part. I was about to make fun of Pandora one day and then someone's like, I listen to Pandora's, like, oh, I'm not gonna make fun of it.
Oh yeah. I apologize to the one person, person who listening we have of Pandora
listeners in our church, man. We do. I was
in middle school, just
like we have a lot of people with a OL and Comcast emails, so just so you know.
That's true. My mom has, my mom has an a OL. They're probably still using Napster too, so
Yeah.
Yeah. My dad has an a OL email, so still still rolling it. Mm-hmm. He's very, very proud of it. But I'm still using Yahoo. So that's, that's, that's, that dates me. That's true. Still thing, but I've got like 27 emails, so like
it's, that is also true. I
have a lot of them. Yeah. Most of them are Gmail. But, um, no, I mean, it's been a, it's been a good season.
We had our, um. We were in the Horseman series. You guys didn't talk about that last week, I don't think, but we were, no, we were talking about the end of time, um, when, in the revelation, when they talked the four horsemen, the apocalypse. So we talked about the first horseman a couple weeks ago, and then we took a pause last week to talk about our vision for 2030.
As we look toward the future, and we call that Vision three 30. And so we can talk about that today. What do you think about, uh, vision three 30?
This is the first church campaign that I've been a part of, and I've been doing ministry for 15 years. It's the first campaign. Wow. That as I've looked at how it's going, it's targeted for.
Everybody, and I cannot tell you how much I love that like any of the other ones I've ever seen. You know, it's usually the lead pastor goes and wines and dines, you know, the, the biggest givers, the ones who are the business owners, stuff like that, and tries to kind of go through that process. But. You know, we hear in the political realm that, you know, 20 and $30 campaign contributions are what fund full campaigns for, right?
Yeah. Presidential candidates. Well, the same thing can be said of a church where if you are looking at it and saying, you know how I want to give, how I want this to look, what I want it to be. If, if that's all you have that you're capable of doing. We would love to see that. Yeah. We still want you to be on board and connected to what we're doing.
You are a part of the church, you're a part of the church family. And if that's what you've got to give, that is so great that we're looking at that and saying, you matter. We want you to know everything that's going on and you're important.
Right. No, I think that's our, our goal. We, we wanna do 330, 30 $3 a month shares for two and a half years worth 30 months.
And so that's our goal. So everybody has a seat at table. You can do a half share, quarter share, eight share. You can do whatever you want. Just trying to get people a structure to all be invested across all age levels. 'cause like, I mean that's the conversation we had have at home. My kids like, you're, you are the church.
Like, I'm not the church.
You,
you are the church. We're all the church together. And so I want my kids to be as equally invested in church as everyone else here, recognizing they're doing church. I mean, they're serving, they're, they're participating. And so all three of my children from 13 and up are all participating in some important way.
And so they are practically the church. They don't need to think like, oh, the future, I can participate in all these adult things. No, you, you can participate in the life of this church as an equal participant in the church. And I think that's what we're trying to get across. 'cause I was watching a, I was driving back from seeing my mom, um, I guess said driving two seat at my mom and a video came on TikTok and it was a pastor apologizing for the shame he feels.
For the way that he fundraised a very large mega church, and he was describing the fundraising process that he felt like, he's like, we tapped everybody for money. We'd campaign after campaign, after campaign, and when we pretty much bled everybody dry, we brought in this big company to tell us how to get more money out of their out of people.
And they said they never fail how they do it. And so he was describing the process. That every church uses basically to fundraise, which is you get your biggest donors together, you get 'em in a private meeting, you pitch them the vision, you just pitch them idea, you tell 'em the important need and, and we're like, we, we are not gonna do that process.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. I hate that process about churches. I hate that. I mean, I, and I think you can hate that. I think it's awful to separate the body of Christ in that way. Mm-hmm. And yeah, God gives people the gift of giving. But you we're not supposed to like, oh, because you give so much money. We have no idea what people give here.
I love it. It's so freeing for me. But then people are like, well, you don't ask me for things, you know I can help you. I was like, no, I don't. I don't. Yeah, you might live in a nice house, but doesn't, people don't always have money when you live in a nice house. 'cause usually you're paying that payment.
Right. And so we've tried to just. Open the meeting up to everybody if you wanna come. It doesn't matter if you're a teenager, if you're an adult, you wanna sit on the table and hear where we're going and what we're doing, be part of it. I wish we had more time for those conversations because I think they're valuable and we've, but anybody can ask questions.
You can ask questions about our campaign, what we're doing, the tears, the process. You're, you're welcome. We try to be an open book 'cause we're really excited about what God's doing and we want everyone to feel part of it. Yeah. Not just people with money. But you can be part of it because some people just have time or talent that they're willing to invest, and you know what?
That's equally as important for us moving forward.
Yeah, and as, as you look through how this is playing out across both campuses, that was another big deal for me personally because with Mark and I spending so much time at the Jackson campus, you know how you had a conversation with me early on and you're like.
I want you to make sure you get 'em here. I want you to make sure that the Jackson people know that this is something that they're a part of too. This is not just, Hey, we're Brooklyn. We're doing Brooklyn things. This is a, Hey, we're Hoddle, we're doing hoddle things. Right? And that was another hugely key component to that for me, where I look at it, I'm like.
This is all inclusive. This is one of those things where we want everyone to know your voice matters. We want you to know what's going on. We want you to have investment in what we're doing, not just financially, but a care concern, compassion and prayer schedule where you are actually involved in the changes that are happening in the church.
Right? And I think that's really cool.
The things I'm most excited about, like, yeah, we're raising money, we're raising $330,000 three times. That's our goal. And I, people get stuck on that. Oh, you guys care about money? No, we don't really care about money. Like, it's not a thing. We know we have to take care of what God's doing.
Like
Yep.
We're happy. I'm happy. I'm content with the size church. We are. I've been content at pretty much every stage of our church. Um, I'm just happy. Doing ministry here in the way, God, that called us to do it with the people we we're doing with. 'cause like God's doing some amazing things and as we see it, you just want more people to have the opportunity to be part of that.
And so I, you know, our vision's simple. It's three things. We've kind of narrowed it down moving forward and we've talked with our governance team about it. We're going to boldly introduce our community to Jesus. We're gonna continue to embrace the culture of honor. And then we're going to, you know, do you know the third one?
I'm gonna quiz you guys. Do you know the third one?
Okay, hang on. I can do this. It is multiply through discipleship. Yes, yes. Mark is like blank sta there. No, please don't call
me. Well, I
was thinking about multiply, uh, over generosity. Yeah. From the last campaign. Yeah. We, we
still have multiply in there, but it's multiplied through discipleship.
We wanna be at church where once people accept Christ, they learn to grow in his followers of Jesus and, and tell other people about him. And that's. That's our goal. And so that's the simplicity of what we're gonna do. We still keep our mission statement of Love God low people, which is, which is the fun part about having Kylie sing that song.
Yeah. Sunday, I watched this song last night. Um, that's how I was watching YouTube. I pulled up YouTube video. I wanted to see how bad the K-pop thing came off on Sunday. You can't even see it in the video. Didn't see, so it just looks like I'm looking at the street. I'm actually disa. I was hoping that it awesome would cut to being able to see it.
I kept thinking, go go to the screen so they can see the K-pop. Was it actually
K-Pop Demon Hunters, like the movie was playing on the screen? Yeah, it
said K-Pop, demon Hunter. It was Netflix and you could see it was scrolling to load it and so it was about to come on and I said it was you. So I, I need apologize.
Did I did hear that. But I, I wasn't being mean about it. Like it was funny. It would make sense that it was potentially Mark. Oh yeah,
that is. I love that movie. I could have, see Mark,
mark was in there Saturday uploading slides. I could see Mark had K-Pop on, just jamming in there by himself like that. I could have seen you singing Golden in there all by yourself.
I was just pictured it, that's what came into my mind. I was like, oh man. People by like, he just, bad mouth mark. No, I didn't. It really was a compliment to Mark that he was watching K-Pop.
I laughed at it. I was not bothered at all, but
I've tracked it back. Uh, I talked to Carver. I, I think the fifth quarter was in there and K-Pop Demon Hunter was the.
Theme of the fifth, fifth quarter. So that was, oh, that was why it was probably on, it probably played at some point during the fifth quarter. Yeah. For the, for the teenagers in last month. So it just, it probably hadn't, no one's probably touched it since then. It's probably just still stuck on that. Screen.
It's just kind of funny that it's been stuck that long. Right. One, we should probably turn TVs off. Um, two, they, they are off. I'm just, I don't dunno why now, now I'm feeling attacked. You looked right at me and said that, but it was just, it was, it's also why you're in the corner. That's true. Yeah. Uh, we sealed the hun, we sealed the hun moon.
Hun moon. Yeah. It was awesome. That's good. I'm
glad.
But anyways, Kylie gotta sing and so that's why I was watching. I wanted to see the K-pop moment and see, you know, for people who are watching it, do we need to, you know, put some description there to explain what was happened? Uh, I think it was fine. And then, uh, I watched Kylie sing and the new song, love God, the People, it was great.
She did a great job. She killed it. Each time she's done
it, she's done absolutely amazing. It's been fantastic. Yeah. And then speaking of your kids, I mean, Carver preaching at the lodge. Yeah. That's pretty cool. So equally impressive. Yeah.
Yeah. That's pretty cool to see Carver, even the growth from one week to the next has been pretty great.
Mm-hmm. So, um, you know, when I, when I, when I say we're having these conversations at home about the future of the churches now for the kids, like we really do believe this. Like, I'm not just saying this on stage to like rally the troops. Like we're having those intentional conversations at home. Like we want, we want our, our own kids, my kids, to realize like, you gotta take a leadership role in this church as you grow up.
And not when you're 40, when you're 20, when you're 19, when you're 18, when you're 17, you gotta step up into leadership. And that's really something we should be calling the generation into always. Um, and so our middle schoolers need to be believing when they move into high school, they need to step up into leadership within that own youth group.
Yes. And that's part of what happens in the same. So I, that's what, that's what it looks like to have a vision. The vision leads somewhere and that's why we're doing what we're doing for 30 30. And so with Vision three 30, and so we're excited about it. There's a lot of threes, a lot of thirties coming up, so we've got some exciting things we were talking about, about just like our 30th and third updates we wanna do third Sunday of the month, commitment time.
So I think what we're gonna do is, I'll probably need to make an announcement on this. I'll make announce on Sunday after the next commitment. Sunday. 'cause people need time to think about their commitment.
Yeah.
We'll kind of announce the total we've come up with so far, but we're doing, we're doing good.
Mm-hmm. Um, we're not where, we're not there yet. So, but we're having a, I think a good lunch to our, our campaign. I think people keep telling me, we're just praying through like what we wanna do, what we wanna give, and that's totally fine. We're doing the same in our family. Like we, we still have to have a final conversation.
We just haven't been in the same room. For my family and my kids to sit. 'cause we, we really challenge them to really pray about are they gonna take a share or have share, uh, themselves and really sacrifice to make that happen. And so those are things that we're talking about because we, if we believe in this, then we're in it together and we're in it for the long haul.
And so that's the thing that's where we're excited about. And so I tend to think that they're gonna take shares. And so, um, yeah, I'm excited about what God's doing in their lives and what God's doing in our church lives. And so. As we, we, we have some really exciting things in their heisen, like concerts and, um, songs and lot lots happening.
There's a lot of spiritual attack also happening in our lives as well. And like mm-hmm. With Cody being sick, that's for sure. Yeah. Yep. So, uh, Cody spent two weeks in the hospital and now he's home. We just got, spent some time with him. We all went and visited him while Mark didn't, but. Uh, you went to lunch with your fiance, so that's cool.
I did. I mean, mark lives there, so Yeah. Yeah. You kind lived there. So we played Minecraft last two nights. Yeah. So, yeah. But, um, you know, ultimately when you think about it, like we are, we are blessed that Cody's doing well and, you know, and healing and so he is got, he's gonna need another 12 days off, they say.
So. They keep telling him like you had a major surgery. Yeah. So they keep reminding him of that. Um, and so I think we're gonna give him that, that space and time to do that. 'cause we, we want Cody to be back and healthy and so
he's still convinced he's Thor and he, he just isn't so
No. No. Yep. So I mean, he may look like Thor, he's got the lungs of, uh, I don't know what he is got the lungs of.
So, um, but he's, he's really, I think he's gonna make a full recovery and that's gonna be exciting. So.
Yeah. So here's the question to put you on the spot a little bit, HOTLCast, of all the things coming up in the next three tiers, which of the things are you the most excited by? Like, which one of the ones that is in any of the tiers are you looking at in your, like of all the things that are there?
That's the one that I'm really looking forward to the most.
Um, I think that it will be fun. And the, the plan that we have, this tier one, which is kind of just immediately putting a parking lot and kinda expanding the sanctuary, that's kind of all tied into that same thing. Tier two is kind of fleshing out.
Then the lobby, expanding the lobby and the children's wing and, um, putting some new entrances in. I think tier two to me is the one that's the most exciting for me. Okay. Mainly because one's kind of necessary, like we don't, it's not like, oh, this is gonna be all this extra, like, we, we got it. We have to do one or we have to do, we have to move to the gym.
Yeah. Like that's, that's kind of where it comes to it. And I forgot to say that during the, the last two Sunday, the sermon and the Sunday nights, it should said just a reminder of the gym. Right. But if, if we don't do the, we don't do the expansion, we are moving to the gym. We have no choice.
Yeah. There's
just no space.
And, uh, for us to be able to continue to do what we need to do, we have to do something. So one's kind of an immediate necessary need that we have to do. Two, is also gonna be immediately needed because it's, we're gonna force a situation in the lobby is not gonna be big enough. We're gonna have to put some entrances in.
We're gonna have a new parking lot potentially. Mm-hmm. To people to get through. So I think that's gonna just change the way that people interact in our church, but it's also gonna give us some opportunity to do some new things. In our lobby, how like have a cafe that's more of a cafe type of space. Uh, small but different.
Yeah. Where you can gather and mingle and stay a little longer. They're gonna have, you know, the Knuck will be big, maybe bigger and have better space in the lobby. Um, the children's will be more down towards the other end, so it'll be more, you know, for families a little bit easier instead of spread all the way down the, the hallway and into the gym.
It'll be less spread down the hallway. And so I think that's where exciting. And then of course we gonna renovate the bathrooms, which is always nice. So yeah, try to make the bathrooms nicer. To me, that's the one that's most exciting. Three's kind of that, the third tier is kind of like that, that hopeful dream that we get into.
Yeah. And that's really, if God takes us there, we'll get there. But two is the one I'm, I'm probably thinking, yeah, this is some really cool things that we really need. And the big thing I'd like to do is expand the women's bathroom. 'cause I know we need more women's restrooms at our church as we grow. Yes.
I mean, that's the thing. That's a real thing. So. And I, even though I'm not gonna benefit from that bathroom, I benefit from that bathroom if my wife is happy. So, um, yeah, so like if they're not, there's not a huge way, like, especially 'cause my wife serves in children, so she doesn't have a lot of time to go.
Um, so if she, if she wants to go, like it needs to be, it can't be a line. And so we don't want that to be a situation for people, so. Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. So that's probably my thoughts. Nice. What are you most excited about?
I think that it's gonna look really cool when the sanctuary is redesigned and you have the spiral staircase going up to the sound booth, which is gonna be relocated like, yeah, I would
say the spiral staircase.
But until that gets approved, I can't pick that one. 'cause I don't want to, if it's not a thing, I don't wanna like be disappointed by I, I think the spiral staircase will be epic. Yeah. If get that to go. Yeah. Yeah. I got the quote for it today. And it's not that, it is not that expensive. So like well that's a good
thing.
I'm really hoping we can get that approved 'cause it's gonna be cool.
Yeah. But that would probably be the thing where we're gonna be redesigning that area. And yes, there are gonna be some issues with, you know, the, the growing pains of how do we still make this sound good? How do we kind of get the room figured out and stuff like that for sound, which all of those things are cool, but being able to kind of look.
Back there. Like I love the rendered photos. Like I think they're really cool of what that, what that space might one day look like. So that's probably the thing that's got me the most excited with it.
The architect told me how I did it. Uh, was it Chad, GBT or, or one of those gr Oh no, I think it was, might have been Grock.
And he is like, he had the rendered photo. Uh, he's like, it doesn't look. Like the room. So he is like, take this room and make this go over but don't change this, this, this, this. And so finally he got there and then he, he got like most of the way there and he is like, I just take it, put it in Photoshop and do the rest of it myself.
I was like, man, it looked cool, so thank you for It did. It really did. And he didn't have to do that 'cause we don't pay him. He's like a volunteer friend of mine who's just helping us. 'cause he is an architect. I met him at camp. And like I didn't ask him to do that and like I was just so like, these are so epic and it was cool to hear.
It's important
to note, this is not a recent relationship. This is not SBC camp. This Oh, I've known him, yeah. Years. I've known him
for 20 years. Since 2001. Yeah. So we've known each other 20, 20, 24 years. Yeah. I've known him. Yeah. It's awesome.
Wow. I met HOTLCast just accumulates people as he goes through ministry.
He just picks 'em up and takes them with him wherever he goes. That's what you do. Yep.
Yeah. What'd you, what are you most excited about?
I mean, I was gonna say the sanctuary, but I feel like my answer got taken. The parking lot's gonna be interesting. Having the parking lot out here out front. Yeah. Um, that's gonna be, that's gonna feel weird if that
was approved already by the township.
Finally, I might pick that one because that's been my constant complaint. And, uh, of that, this looks like it's, this church looks like it's dead, right? Yeah, it looks empty. You can't see people parked here unless it's Sunday mornings, but like out during the week, you can't tell anybody's here. I never know when you're here Unless I ride, drive around the building.
Oh, that, Hey, he's here.
Yep.
But like, so that, it'd be great to have cars out front.
That one's gonna be the most obvious for sure. Yeah. Of like, seeing that out front and I, the whole parking lot's getting like, fixed up too, right? Or is it just the expansion? We're gonna, we're gonna patch the
other parking lot.
Gotcha. Yeah, we gotta get together and patch it soon, so. So I
wouldn't say favorite, but the most apparent and most intriguing to me outside of Sanctuary. So, yeah, I mean, I like, I'm excited about spiral staircase too.
I'm just
gonna run up and down it all day.
Yeah, it's, can we put a fireman's pole in for going down?
Like is that an option? Well, yeah, we
asked and the answer was no. Yeah, we are not zoned for that, so Yeah. Oh goodness. Unfortunately, and I'm pretty sure our insurance would not cover that. All there,
all that's, it's just gonna be so weird 'cause like as growing up in this church, there's, it's. When we did the redid the lobby, that was weird.
Like when we opened up, we had two offices in that front wall.
Were you like that new pastor came in and changed our lobby? Not at
all. I was, I was fascinated with it. I was not grumpy with it.
Shame, shame. How could you, we tore the walls down and
I mean, I was, I, yeah, I liked it. I thought, I was like, yeah, that's a great call if we need that space.
Mm-hmm. And so it's, it's super cool to see. I'm intrigued to see it. It's gonna be weird, but it's gonna be awesome. Like I love to see the changes because it does show that we're growing. Yeah. And we're needing to fit a new need than we had to before, which is the ongoing process. Like we were talking about like with ministry, with church.
Like it's an ongoing thing. The things that are needed now are not always needed in the future. Like, and so we need to be able to be. Solid on the rock of faith of Christ, but flexible in our execution and the layout of a building or like the specifics of some of that stuff. Yeah, we talked need to be flexible.
We talked about that on Tuesday at bible study in Jackson, and I told him, I'm like, everything in ministry. Everything has a shelf life. The the message will never change, but the method in which you deliver, it always has to. Mm-hmm. Because culture changes and you can't grab onto something so tightly that you aren't eventually willing to say, I need to let this go for the good of God's kingdom.
And that's kind of what we're seeing happen here, is so many people are looking at this and saying, yeah, you know, it's. It's gonna be weird to have this move or have that move or have this go down here. This is gonna be different. It's gonna be strange. Yeah. It's going to be, but give it time. You'll get used to it again and you'll be fine.
Yeah. And I hope people, if they may it this far, you know, if you may it this far, you may it past the, oh, they're gonna ask me for money. No, we're not. I mean, if you, God wants you to give money, you will. Like, we, we're not gonna keep, we're just gonna keep it in front of people and say, this is, this is what it takes to go there.
But, um, I'm just excited about like, the journey. Like yeah. I don't like, I like change. I think we, everybody knows I like change, um, but we're not changing. For change's sake, we're changing 'cause we don't really have an, an option not to. Yeah,
yeah.
Like as we, as we look at numbers as we talk about like seats available, seats and services and available spaces in the parking lot.
Like these are just necessary things, but it is a result of God's doing something and it's, it's great and we need to celebrate that. Yeah. We need to, we need to keep that in front of us. The, the reminder of why we are doing what we're doing is not because we want to have some. You know, mega structure building.
That's impressive. It's really just to facilitate the people that are in and coming to our building. Yeah. That's, I think that's, I think that's it. We're, I'm, we're never gonna have like some Taj Mall here. If we do the Crystal Cathedral, if we do fire me. 'cause I, that's not, that's not for the goal. It's really, let's have an adequate space for what we need to do ministry and to tell people about Jesus.
And that's it.
Yeah. We're not going for a spectacle. We're going for life change. Yeah. And suiting this building to whatever is gonna best push people through that. Yeah,
and that's something I actually heard you say many years ago at a different church where you're like, if we are not using the building all the time for ministry day in, day out.
Every single day, we are wasting a gift that we've been given by God. And knowing that that's been your mentality, that you look at it and you're like, okay, if we need to make a change so that this building is more usable, or it's able to bend and flex to whatever this ministry need is, or that ministry need is, that's exactly what this has become.
That's exactly what this is looking like. Mm-hmm. For how can we step forward and say, we need to make this change, this change, and this change in order to use the building in a better way to continue to grow the kingdom of God. And when that is your primary focus, that's what gets you the most right there.
Yeah. When you use this building seven days a week for the Lord. Yep. Whether we like it or not, and whether, you know, we stay busy because we kinda stand one day in front of Jesus and say that, you know, we worked as best to our building to serve him. And like I think the best way to do that's open our building.
Love people. Love God and watch what happens. So mm-hmm. Let's keep doing that. We hope you pray along with us about being part of the vision 30 30, uh, which is, you know, the three 30. Yeah. So Matt was about to catch me. Yeah. It's not 30 30. That's,
that's a little ways off. It's
the three 30. Yeah. So we hope you just want to be part of it and be part of it means you live it out.
You, you introduce people to Jesus in the, in our community. You multiply, um, what.
Multiply. Discipleship. Discipleship. Discipleship. I wanted to see over generosity again.
I was catching it up. Multiply through discipleship, and embrace a culture of honor. That's, that's the challenge. Are you into that? Are you gonna do that in your life?
Are you gonna do that with us? And then watch what God does. If we do that, honestly, he'll take care of all the rest of it. He always does. So that's all we gotta do. Just be in on that vision. So we hope you join us Sunday and are excited about being part of three 30 with us.