HOTLCAST
HOTLCAST
Are You a Peacemaker or a Peacekeeper?
Join the HOTL Cast as the hosts dive into the difference between keeping peace and making peace—in families, churches, and everyday life. With humor, real stories, and practical wisdom, they explore how chaos can become the norm and why true peacemaking requires courage, action, and sometimes a creative “container” for tough conversations. Perfect for anyone seeking more harmony and purpose in their relationships.
Hello and welcome to the HOTL Cast. I'm Cyle. I'm Jared. I'm Ryan.
And I'm Mark. And we are back. And so we're excited. This is, uh, this Hot, HOTL Cast is sponsored by Oral b Ente Dente. Oh, that's, that's, that's the Spanish sponsor. I got this, uh, this was donated. To me, uh, to my son. So it's not an, it just a toothbrush.
A it's a tooth problem. It is a vibrating toothbrush. So like this is gonna get clean your teeth, so, oh my, is
it one of the ones that does the music too? Like when you brush and then like does music? I had that growing up where like it has two minutes worth of a song so that you brush for the full minutes.
Adult you're supposed to brush for two minutes. Yeah, I don't think that's an adult thing. Does this sing the ABCs to you?
No. It, it was like, it is like we will rock you. It was like all these like songs when I was a kid. Oh. Um, yeah. No, I mean, that was before when I was a kid, but no, no, this is,
this has a good night mode.
I don't know why, but it's kinda cool. Had likes a lullaby. My friend Cat at church Ga said she got this free at work and. She doesn't need it. 'cause she works at a dental office so she's not even, so she's know, you know, anybody needs a toothbrush. And so I said, well my son, he needs to brush his teeth. So does he not
typically brush his teeth?
He does, but like
he's the only one in our house that doesn't have one of these type teeth toothbrushes. So full praise God. She said he could have it. So that's cool. So thanks to our sponsor cat for the Oral B toothbrush. Oral B toothbrush. So, alright. Yeah. But, uh, you know, that's, that's what's new in my life.
Yes. So what about yours, Jared? What's new in your life? So, dude, you got a big gig this weekend. You might meet the bishop. Oh yes. Of our denomination. Yes. So
yes of the denomination. Bishop Todd Fetters.
Bishop Todd Fetters. Shout out to the Bish' man. Um, yeah, looking forward to please
call him the Bish' when you
I'm definitely gonna call him the bish'.
I,
I don't know
that we should, I
don't know that,
not sure the avenue I would take.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to double check Descript when this transcribes it. You're gonna add
him up? I am gonna, I'm Todd's actually Cool. He probably, probably, yeah. By Dab Up?
No, I'm, yeah, he let us use a sword for our service at the Jackson campus.
Oh, yeah. That's the, we're
the only church that's ever done a, uh, like, like campus open cut ribbon cutting, ribbon ribbon cutting with a sword. That's, yeah. It was a machete sword and
an ax. Right. It wasn't that, the options.
Yeah. No, that, that's, that's, that's sweet. We had three options for him and we, he chose.
The sword and then we cut the, with the sword. That's pretty sick, I'm not gonna lie.
Yeah, no. Um, no. Eventually, you know, I'd like to apply for his position as the first, you know, African American bishop of the, I think they, they,
we literally have a African, well, he is not African American. He's Jamaican Bishop is a, is a black man.
Yeah. But not African. He's literally a united brother and bishop, so I don't think it's gonna work. So yeah, first one in America, what I'm trying to say, there's, I think there's probably been one. Okay. Well, probably not, but
uh, but uh, yeah, no, I get to, I get to honor and the privilege to, um, host and.
Provide the music for the inaugural Inaugurational inaugural inauguration. Inaugural. I was thinking of Congregational inaugural ball. Inaugural ball for the new president of Huntington University. So, um, so I will be attending that and the bishop will be there. So
he's looking forward to meeting you. I talked to him, yeah.
His
name is Dr.
Oh, I didn't talk to Dr. Pepper. I talked to No, yeah, the Bishop. That's awesome. His name is actually
Dr. Pepper, which is so sick. That's so cool. And so they have like bootleg Dr. Pepper shirts at Huntington. That's actually really cool. It's actually sick, so I'm gonna try to bring one back for y'all.
It'll be great. Um, so yeah, that I'm very excited about that. I've been over in Jackson as well. Um mm-hmm. And they, they spent
a couple weeks reviewing their, their music and Yes. And I will musicality and I'm there for presentation software. Yeah. One more week.
So this is my, this will be my last week there, which would be good.
Um. I love, I love Jackson, but, but I miss my home church. I really do. I I'm missing everybody, so, um, so yeah, no, I've been in Jackson. It's been great. And thank you Mark. And shout to Mark and Matt for having me over there. So, yeah, it's been good. Yeah. I
appreciate it.
Yeah, absolutely. So, and we've got Ryan
here.
Ryan's kind of balance between two campuses Yeah. Lately and just visiting and preaching over the other campus and being over here, so, yeah.
I know we scheduled, I think December is when we have you next out there. Oh,
that's, that's
the date,
huh?
First week of December
you'll
be preaching in Jackson again.
Are you preaching about Christmas?
Um, we're, yeah, kinda sorta we'll be talking about the, you know, busy holiday season. Yeah. And a lot of, a lot of what I'm planning on talking about is, is. You know, just how, how we move so fast, you know, and how in our, in our culture, like it's just so you know, more, better, different.
Mm-hmm. And, and how often we, we can lose sight of the god moments, lose sight of all those things God puts in front of us. Yeah. And we just blow right by him trying to get where, where we are, where we're not. Yeah. You know, I think about that, like when I drive on the road, there's always people trying to get someplace they're not Mm mm-hmm.
Wanna be anywhere but where they're at. And, and I think that's where, where I miss where we miss it.
Yeah. Our series overall's called Selfless. Oh yeah. And so that'll be our December series that we're going through.
It's a good Christmas series. Yeah. Yeah. It'll be good. Um, well, good. Well, we're in a series called Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse right now.
So we did the First Horseman a couple weeks ago, took a break, talked about our vision for our church, and then now we're back to the second horseman. Of the apocalypse, which was really just the four horse with the apocalypse are the first four of seven seals of kind of God's judgment, uh, in Revelation.
So we don't, one thing we've been saying, we don't really know what Revelation really means, but we know the underlying truth that John was trying to communicate to an original audience, so we can apply that today. So the truth from the, the second horse is that. Um, before you know, Christ returns, there will be, um, not only the first horseman, someone who will come to deceive us into a, a false kind of gospel, false truth, and then the second horse, someone will, who will come to take away our peace.
Mm,
to remove the peace from the world. And so really where the challenge for us personally is, is how do we handle. Peacemaking in our life. Um, the Bible tells us very clearly, Jesus actually tells us very clearly with his own mouth that we are to be peacemakers and blessed are the peacemakers. So do we make peace in our life and our families and our relationships or school or do we keep peace?
There's a difference between keeping peace and making peace, or do we live in just absolute chaos. And I think unfortunately, a lot of people live in chaos. For moment to moment, they have homes of chaos and those things. So
I think people live in chaos without knowing. They're living in chaos though. Like, because I feel like there's, there's even like points in my life where I feel like I was living in chaos and just genuinely didn't know.
Like it was just regular life for me. And that's just how, how I operated. Like, oh, it's just, it can't change, like, you know? Right. So I think it's really interesting though. Yeah.
I would agree with that. I think there's people who don't realize they're in chaos. Mm-hmm. Who think this is the norm. Chaos is the norm.
And for some people chaos is the nurture. You know, I've been nurtured into chaos. Yeah. My family raised me in chaos.
Mm.
And so chaos feels normal. And that's a, that's a real problem for me when I'm counseling people. People will take periods of peace and destroy it with and turn to chaos because that's what they're used to.
Yeah. And if the world's not spinning and chaotic, it doesn't feel right. And so they don't know what else to do. And I mean, I understand this 'cause like the other day, I just told Rob Freeman this other day, I was like, I was bored the other day. Like I, I like finally had like an hour where I didn't have anything scheduled.
And I'm like, I don't know what else to do right now. So like I, there's not enough time to do anything. So I was like, I'll just work. So,
but that's kind of like
my default. Well, I got things I can do and it's just kind of my, my default because it felt. Abnormal. So I like to work, so I just work. So I think people do that with their life when it comes to, to peace and chaos.
When peace feels abnormal for people, they create chaos.
Do you see the line of like peace and not caring, getting blurred? Something. You know what I mean? Apathy. Yeah.
Yeah. Uh, I do, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It kinda lands in that
peacekeeper as opposed to peacemaker. Yeah. Like mindset. Yeah. I think apathy
would be more peacekeeping.
Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. So,
because I like, I like the distinction you have with that in the message. 'cause I know sometimes a peacekeeper almost seems. Somebody with that's putting a bandaid on something and they're just like going like, it's fixed. It's gone. There's nothing a problem now. Whereas peacemaker, you're trying to actively fix the problem mm-hmm.
And make the piece happen as opposed to, 'cause like keeping the piece sounds like you're more mitigating and minimizing than you are fixing. When I hear that terminology mm-hmm. So I thought that was a good clarification you offered, uh, for people. Was that understanding? Yeah, I
said the message is, it didn't say blessed are the peacekeepers.
He said, blessed are the peacemakers. We don't wanna be the un. I mean, I've been, I've been in places in the world where the UN has been and or is actively, and all they do is keep the status quo. That's it. They're not supposed to change anything. They're not supposed to do anything. They're supposed to make things, things aren't supposed to be get worse, but they're not, they're not really doing anything actively to make things better.
They're just letting it not get worse. So that's peacekeeping. Mm-hmm. It's not peacemaking. Peacemaking means you provide resolution, things get better and resolved. And I think about it in this way. Like if I, if I'm fighting with somebody and I, and they say, like, if I say, well, I'm sorry, and they say, well, I don't accept that.
I said, when I said, I'm sorry, but like, you're not, and then their response is, well, you, you're not gonna change. You haven't changed every other time. You said, sorry, I'm really not trying to change the situation. I'm just trying to make the person happy. Trying to keep the peace peacemaking in that situation would mean I would actually change.
I would actually change my behavior so that we don't keep coming back to the same chaos.
It's like avoidant versus resolution. Mm-hmm. So as a peacekeeper, you're more so avoiding the problem than actually fixing it. Yeah. Typically.
We're just keeping the problem from getting worse. Yeah, yeah. Necessarily avoiding it.
Just, well, let's keep the problem, let's not get it. You know, the problem is at level five, let's not let it get to level 10, right? Yeah. But we're not gonna make it to level one. We're just gonna keep it right At five peacemaking, you really should take the volume down. Like you should be aiming to lower that to one.
So, and what, what they call it Defcon? What's the Defcon? DEFCON five. Five Is is bad.
No one is bad. I
think they're all bad. Five.
They're all bad. Yeah, they're all, if we're Defcon five, if you're at five, it's the least bad. Oh, it's like that's the natural, it's everything's okay. As the number goes down, zero means it's all, everything's already happening, so,
yeah.
Okay. Gotcha. Thank,
thank you. You're welcome. For that random, random trivia,
Ryan was in the military and had no idea, like what you're saying. I don't know what, what if it's Defcon six, seven, it's, it's more,
it's more like, it's more Pentagon in not really. Military isn't, it's more Pentagon level than military level.
In
my defense, I was a Marine Corps infantryman, so it's always
Defcon one. With Marine Corps, it gets called head.
It's always D cut. What hoorah We're we're known for eating crayons. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not convinced. What's your favorite flavor in his car? I literally do not want you to say that in
Jared's car.
Why? Okay. Everybody thinks my car's smell like crayons. It does, because
Did you give him a ride anywhere? No. I store my cr. Right. The funny thing is this context, people listening earlier today we were in a meeting, Ryan was with us and, and they were telling him how, how Jared's car smells, like crayons, it doesn't smell like, and Ryan's talking about eating Crays.
That's the context there. So yeah, it has nothing to do with peacemaking, but it is really funny.
Well, no, you guys create more chaos in my life. That's true. 'cause you are judging the state of my car, which is clean. I feel Ryan's
probably realizing that we all create chaos for each other. Oh, a hundred percent In in staff meetings.
Percent.
Oh
yeah. From, from a
place of love though,
right? That is true. Having a conversation is like catching all the squirrels and trying and put them back in the bag. Yeah.
And then we get out.
Yeah. It's like, and people are probably listening. It's like, yeah, it makes sense with these guys. Yeah. Yeah. It
is what
it is.
So I'm the guy holding the bag all the time trying to get the squirrels so. Nah. Linda's holding the bag. Usually I feel like you let a couple loose every so often just to Linda's holding. Just have fun. Shout out to Linda.
Yeah. She's not here today. Yeah, I know. That's why we're all, that's why our meeting was not productive.
Yeah.
You know, it was, we were talking last night at, uh, at group Bible study and it's kind of, it falls right along along the same lines as this, you know? Yeah. Because we were, we were Romans, Romans two, but we talked about Romans one last week. Mm-hmm. And just that idea like, yeah. Some of us just don't know what we don't know.
Yeah. We don't even know we're, we're addicted to chaos. That's true. Yeah. You know, and then some of us do know this, but we're still just, you know what I call, that's where you're comfortable slamming my head in the car door. Mm-hmm. And I know I'm doing it, but I keep doing it. Right. You know, and it's, it's just interesting how that.
How that drama just continues to, to be like a thing underneath a thing. Yeah. How it it's a revolving door. Yeah. Well, the
drama and then the denial as well, right? Mm-hmm. Like, you know, I think of like, you know, chaos in my life that I've had and I'm sitting here like, oh, I'm not, I'm not, you know, it's not chaotic, whatever.
And that just makes my life more chaotic. Like the more I get to sit back and stand back and realize like, I'm really going through something right now and I can actually like ask people for prayer and pray about it. And sometimes it's actually taken another person to come in and be like. What are you doing, right?
Mm-hmm. You know, like, are you okay? You know, and then they can kind of sit, stand back and look at my life as a whole and be able to really help that situation. Yeah. So,
and that's why you said kind the sermon peacemakers have the hard conversation. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you peacemaking is active, it's action oriented.
Mm-hmm. It is not passive. Yeah. The UN peacekeepers are passive. They kind of just. Stay in a community to keep it from getting worse.
Mm-hmm.
If you're going in to make peace, you're going in to feed people, you're going into make situations better to sit people down and resolve things through peacemaking, through treaties, those types of things.
So that's, we're seeing some of that in the world right now, and so we, we can do that in our own lives, our own relationships. We actually have to have hard conversations to bring peace in chaotic situations and turmoil and relationships with children, spouses, friends, coworkers. You have to do something active to make peace.
And so the challenge is we need to be peacemakers and blessed are the peacemakers. So I think God does bless those who go and make peace. Mm-hmm. And so it means you have to have hard conversations. You have to send texts and emails lovingly to say, Hey, let's, let's try to resolve this and let's try to live, you know, amicably with each other and put, you know, let the past be the past and move on with forgiveness.
And that's hard, but that's, that's marriage, that's being family, that's being in a church with people who. You don't necessarily agree with in all things, but you still love the same Lord. So you have to be able to have peace in that situation. Make peace. Yeah, that's good. Any, any thoughts, mark?
Um, I'm trying to learn how to do that well.
'cause as somebody who's learned and seen it shown to me in my upbringing, like being a keeper of the piece and instead of solving problems, like, that's why I mentioned like avoiding it. 'cause sometimes if you act like there's no chaos, then you feel more peace. But that doesn't mean peace is actually happening, right.
You're just. Neglecting and ignoring what's actually going on until it explodes. Yeah. And so I've been trying to teach myself and train myself, especially like with Brie, to actually approach the problems and have those conversations. 'cause my brain like panics and I'm like, I want to get outta here. I don't want to be here.
I want to run away. But I'm aware, and I know that that's not healthy. I know that that doesn't actually create a better circumstance. It makes it worse if you run.
Mm. Why don't you, um. Can you share about the car?
Oh yeah. Our um, so good. This, so good. This might be a good
tool for somebody if they're struggling with, so Bri and I actually
have developed a location for where we have our conflict typically, especially if we're in person where it happens in the car.
'cause for me, I actually, like, I can't escape the car. Like I treat it as like I have to confront the problem 'cause. It's, I have to do an intentional thing to leave the car. I open the door, but for
context, that car is parked in your driveway.
Yeah, the car is parked in the driveway. We're not driving. It's just to kind of don't fight in a car on the road.
I was like, while driving. Yeah. No, no, no.
Like that seems,
and because like I don't actually lash out. I shut down and so it kind of makes me. Have to deal with the problem instead of run away from it. Mm. And then that makes sure we resolve it. Sometimes it means like I'm sitting and thinking and processing and taking a little longer than she might want me to respond, but I'm actively u like focusing my.
Attention and energy towards making peace happen. Figuring out what the problem is and figuring out how to resolve it, where the issues are and all that stuff. And so like, it actually, like it locks me down. It keeps me from being able to run away. Could I actually leave the car? Yeah. But it feels like such an in intentional move to do that instead of like a subtle slide away, which it's easier in an open environment where you can move around.
Um, it's kind of become our safe spot for our conflict. And so I actually like that a lot. 'cause then I have an environment that is designed for that, that I can not be in, like defense against you, but train myself that when I'm there, what thought process I need to have for peace, for resolution, for conflict management, like.
That type of stuff because there, I mean, I'm sure that type of stuff would be helpful for people like me that you wanna run away when the conflict happens. You wanna avoid it at all costs. Everything in your body is screaming to just, Nope, we don't have to deal with this. We can just not deal with it.
But instead, you kind of limit yourself and set those guardrails in place so that you kind of force yourself to have to deal with the problem. Right.
Create your own safe zone.
Yeah. Yeah, I think it, I think it's really cool. Because I know not to put everybody been down the street, but I know, um, like even me and you, uh, mark had talked about that too.
Yeah. I know you were frustrated at one point, like musically was something and I was like, I don't know what I don't know. Right. And that's kind of what you were saying. Yeah. And just like, I need communication so I can help you fix the problem or how we can help fix the problem. We can be a team with this and like, um, I think it's really cool.
I mean, I also, as you're saying this, have this image of my, in my head of you like. Fighting and then just saying we need to go to the car. Like, you know what I mean? I'm glad you go to the car. That's actually our joke is like to the kids
we're gonna, the car, when he first told me, because we were doing premier counseling, he first told me my, IM immediate picture was the alternative sports judo car fighting.
Oh my god. Where they're in the two judo guys are in the seats, all seen that and the bell goes off and they like, like tear. They try to wrestle in the car together. I was like, this is the first thing. I was like, that was my picture, Bree and Mark in the car, which I knew wasn't happening. But I could just picture her strangle him with a seatbelt and like the judo.
So I was like, that's not what they're doing. That's not what they do. They're having a, a very adult level conversation, uh, like to mature with the goal of resolution, but they're having it in a fixed environment where they've committed to not leave so they can walk through it and, which is, yeah, it's really mature and you know.
They're proud of you for, for figuring that out. Not everybody has to go to the car. You may be able to do this at the table or you know, like wherever your space is. But if you have a defined space to have that for some people, for Patty and I. That's normally like the bedroom, like we, like, that's where you want to have that in a private conversation where your kids aren't present.
Mm-hmm. So that's the only place you can get away is usually the bathroom or the bedroom. And so that's normally where we would have, and we've had conversations. You stand in the bathroom? Bathroom. Yeah. We've, we've been in the bathroom before to having conversations talk because where our bathroom is very tiny.
Like in our bedroom. So like you kind of are forced to have a conversation right here, which is face to face, but like sometimes that's what you need is to say, Hey, we're, let's go in the bathroom and talk about this. Like, it's private, but we're, we're not leaving until we do. And it's like, you, you need to have that space where you can have that.
And it, it, it's, you know, not that often, but like, you need to be able to have that space now. You can't, it's. Probably weird to say, Hey Jared, let's go talk about music in the bathroom. But like, you need to find your space. I'm in dog. Let's go. Let's go find your space. You can come to my bathroom anytime, so my gosh.
But like, you know, that's, that's, I think the goal is like, find a creative solution to bring the positive outcome for peacemaking. Yeah. You know, that's great if you're, if things are broken and you're living in chaos, then. Don't keep repeating chaos. Mm-hmm. Right. You know, that's just, I mean, the definition of insanity is, you know, doing the same thing over and over, doing thing over again and expecting different results.
So don't, don't do that. Thank
you for three.
So
I
have a question,
just, just like, just, I dunno, I've just been curious. If you want to make peace with somebody and you have the opportunity, like we'll say I could call them right now. I could call you right now to make peace with you, or I see you in three days.
Would you rather wait those three days or would you rather me call you in the moment? It
depends on if you can actually have that conversation in those three days if it's an environment where you can actually sit one-on-one.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. You know what, it's funny that you, that you say that Jared, 'cause I, that connects so much with, with what Mark just was talking about.
Yeah. For me, because I hear it as like a, a container. Sort
of thing.
Cyle, are you calling Jared right now?
So annoying.
I think he has something to talk to you about.
I know, right, Cyle, he's go to the car. He wants to have coffee in the car, he wants to go to the bathroom. That's what he wants do.
That's meet you, install three. Like dang. But yeah, no,
but no. This idea of a physical container, but what about the idea of like an emotional container? Yeah, yeah. You know, like me, that's good. My wife and I, we have. We have like rules that Yeah, we understand. And, and if she's fired up about something, like we have language for that.
Mm-hmm. So I'm like, we'll be like, Hey, are you in a space? To talk about this.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's like, are are you, are you available? Yeah. And, and, and we, we've done this. I mean, we haven't always done it well. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But, uh, you know, we're, we're to a point now where we can go, Hey, can you be with the things that you can't be with?
Right? Mm-hmm. Can you be with the fact that, um. I didn't show up for you in the way that you had expectations for. Yeah. And you were holding that resentment towards me. Can you be with that? 'cause I can, and I'm sorry. And that, and I get it and I'll try to do better, but being able to have that container and I, and I think it's so huge and it's interesting listening to Mark how it's like, he's like, yeah, I've developed this physical container.
And, and I'm like, yeah, I get, I totally get that. Yeah. And, and I follow that with my kids too. Yeah. Try to create that container where, where I give them that language and go, Hey, if this doesn't feel safe, then you gotta tell me. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's all I'm trying to do. That's good because I know the,
I like the idea of emotional container, physical container.
That's, for
me, the physical does help with the emotional I was about to say that. I was like, yeah, does the physical it, it does lock me down. And I mean, the thing that people that are peacekeepers, like again, as somebody who's had to undo this himself and un, un, un. Have those habits that I had. Like you'll go like, well, I don't wanna cause a problem.
Like I don't, I don't want it to be a big deal and make it all about me. Like you kind of are. It's really easy to talk yourself into convincing yourself that you're doing something that's good. Oh, a hundred percent. But like with our conversation when we talked, I was like, yeah, you're right. That doesn't actually help.
Yeah, that actually just makes it terrible. 'cause then I'm just in the corner being frustrated and you don't know what to do about that.
Well, it is not that I don't know what to do. It's, I don't know. Yeah, exactly. You know, and that makes it, that makes it so much worse. Yeah, because, 'cause I don't want, I don't want three weeks later you to come to, you know, come to church and say something or, you know, come to my house.
And we we're like, like, man, just blow up. And I'm like, I don't, no idea why. You know, because
like for me, I'm like, well, I'll just, I'll just, I'll just go over it. Like I'll be fine past it. But that's
peace peacekeeping. Yeah.
Yeah. But like releasing bitterness, part of our culture of honor, like, yeah. You don't hold it.
Because even if you don't realize it, you, you still carry that stuff. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Whether I'm, it's like a monkey
flicking your ear on your back. Yeah. And you either gotta grab him by the scruff and look at him. Mm-hmm. Or you just gotta deal with the fact that he keeps flicking you. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And so, like, eventually there's a good, there's a good chance it, it blows up in your face and you don't even realize why.
Mm-hmm. Because there. 15 little things that happened. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then you just feel frustrated and you're like, why am I frustrated? I don't actually know. It's 'cause you didn't resolve it. You just tried to keep it from getting worse instead of actually fixing the problem.
Here's a, you know, the Bible tells us not to let the sun go down and our angry.
Mm-hmm. And I think there's a good reason if you, if you do, you just wake up angry. You wake up frustrated and then it's just compiling more things on top of the last things. Yeah, and just, you know, it's, it's okay to not be okay. We say that, but it's not okay to stay that way. And so we have to, we have to recognize it.
Being angry. We just, it's a season, you know, hopefully it's a short season where we, we can, at, at the end of every day, you gotta let stuff go and you gotta decide, I gotta let this go. I gotta release my bareness towards this. That's right. And then you might need to start the next day by making peace, but you've gotta make your own internal peace emotionally.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and you gotta find a way to do that with, physically, with someone else and have those conversations. And it's tough. But, um, the, the better you get at grasping that, the happier and more content with life you're gonna be and the more joy you're gonna experience. And so. If you're living in chaos and you don't feel a lot of joy, it might be because you're not making peace.
You're trying to keep peace, and that's just keeping you in chaos.
Yeah.
And you need to go make peace so that you can really have true peace in your life and your family and whatever situation you're in. So our challenge is if you, if you're in that place, listen to this series, listen to this last sermon, and really start doing the hard thing and be active, you know, active and action oriented, and making peace in your life with the people around you and see if that changes your perspective.
Uh, and maybe take the advice of both Ryan and, and Mark and maybe there needs to be an emotional container from which that conversation sets and, you know, starts. And maybe that's the same thing. You need a actual physical container where you have a place that you do that from. And try, try something different, but don't keep repeating the same, um, mistakes of the past and hoping for different results.
It never works out. Just keeps you stuck in chaos. Just, just go to the bathroom. Yeah, the bathroom works. It works. That's it. Yeah, that's it. It works for me. Go the bathroom. Oh goodness. Well, thanks for listening. We'll catch you on the next episode of the Huddle Cast. Go make some peace in your life.