HOTLCAST
HOTLCAST
Unlocking the Power of God’s Name: Hebrew Insights & Honest Faith
Dive into a lively, insightful conversation as the HOTLCast team explores the meaning of God’s name, the nuances of Bible translations, and the real-life challenges of faith and church leadership. With warmth, humor, and practical wisdom, this episode unpacks Hebrew roots, Catholic-Protestant differences, and how understanding scripture shapes our lives. Perfect for anyone seeking deeper faith, clarity, and community.
Hello and welcome to the HOTLCast. I'm here with "Father" Jared and Mark.
Hello, this is Mark.
I'm Father Jared,
which, how do I do that?
Don't, don't do that.
It's top down, left, right,
top down, left, right, top down, left right. How do you know that? Where you, how do you know that
this says my stepdad? When I was growing up was
Catholic.
Catholic.
Oh, so did he just say, Hey, no, it's top down left, right? Is that,
no, I just saw it and I went to a Catholic mass at midnight for Christmas Eve, and that was a three hour service.
Oh
man. And it was all in Latin. And they did a lot of those crosses. I was 11.
Sign of the cross. Yeah.
Yeah, it was. It was a long service.
I've seen a lot of
those crosses over the years. Never thought top down, left, right.
Well, so Catholic is one way and then. There's another one that's another one like it. I don't know if it's it, it. I realizing this is the Mormon podcast. I, not Mormon, I don't know, but I've seen, I've seen both and they're like, oh yeah, it's the other way that it's the opposite way of Catholics.
And I was like, oh, interesting.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah. Sign the cross. Right hand moves from top forehead to bottom chest. Then from left shoulder to right shoulder. Oh,
okay. Oh, okay.
Yeah. I thought I, I didn't
even know that.
I thought I remembered that right.
Shoulder. Shoulder. I just thought it was a,
yeah.
I'm learning.
So why we're talking about this? Why are we talking about this? The Pope has been in the news, which we've been talking about. Um, yes. Oh, there's a reason Jared's actually shared with us this morning that he is gonna be playing a gig. That will, the Pope will be, you know, so you'll
Yes,
I'm, I'm
opening for the current Pope Pope, um, pretty soon, the
American Pope.
So
yes, the first American Pope,
which what we, which led us into the conversation that the Pope has been in the news all week long already. Yes, he has. It's been full of the news because the big thing that was revealed and so we're not a Catholic church, so, but
Nors, Jared, the music director here at Hoddle is Catholic.
Don't do that. No, I'm just not
Catholic. Um. But the big thing, it is good talking points for us. It's, yeah, because one of the fallacies of teachings in the C Catholic church that they have tried to, uh, to deal with in their own church is that there's this belief that Mary, uh, over time has become equal to Christ in the act of redemption, of saving people, of forgiving sense, which some would call the title of Coem.
Mm-hmm. I've heard that many times in,
yeah.
Over the years. This is a false teaching that's not. A Catholic doctrine, but somehow over the the generations, this has become a thing that's all over the world. Especially they said in Latin America, this is a big thing in Latin America. Well, in Portugal, yeah, with the veneration of Mary.
And so this is, he just came out and said this week, Mary is not the Dentrix of of Christ. She's not the metrix, she is not equal to Christ in salvation. He Christ alone is the redeemer. And, and, which I think is a great statement, uh, and I saw a lot of evangelical conservative Christians like would be us, um, who were like thankful that that was statement was there because mm-hmm.
That is an issue that, that we see in scripture of that Catholic teaching that's been prevalent in a lot of Catholic. Um, videos online especially and stuff is, is, is who Mary is compared to what the Bible says. And so I thought that was really great clarification from the Pope. But then the next day,
yeah, first day was good.
First day was good. The next day, one of the things the Pope said is that he believes the Catholic position is that basically everyone will be saved. No one, no one. He didn't say this many words and so I don't wanna, I don't wanna speak into. What he was saying that wasn't there. We could probably pull up, probably be better, but essentially like everyone's gonna eventually end up in heaven.
Um, God will redeem people over the annals of time. God will eventually redeem people even if they're not saved, that they'll have opportunity throughout. Infinite time to be eventually redeemed. That's not necessarily something that, uh, we see in scripture. Correct, yeah. And would agree with, but, um, that goes into the purgatory, which is not in scripture and some of those things.
So, um, we would disagree on some of those things.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, we believe definitely as we've been talking about revelations recently, there is a judgment coming, uh, and those who are with Christ will go on for eternity and those who don't will will spend an attorney away from God, which is what would be considered hell.
We don't know if it's physical torment, as in scripture just denotes in a way, or if it's spiritual torment as just being apart from God. But being apart from God would be the worst thing. But that's what we see in, in Revealed in Revelation in the scripture, that that is really the reality. And yeah, there's a lot of TikTok people that say there's no hell at all.
There's, there's Catholic version of it. Well,
yeah,
there's purgatory. And the truth is you just have to go back to what the Bible actually says. Correct. And then equate that into life. And so people read in and they add things to. And so just to be careful, but that's where the conversation, we were having a lot laughter about it.
But um,
yeah, the, the thing that's interesting to me and speaking with some of like the, the bishops and the, you know, well the pope and whatever the high level Catholics that is. That we, the thing we, I don't agree with him on is obviously like where Mary sits in religion, right? Like obviously Mary's a very important figure in, uh, Christianity and religion.
But the thing is that we disagreed on and why we can't agree on who. Mary is in religion, at least for me, is that they believe because she birthed a perfect person or perfect being, that she must have been perfect. That she's perfect, correct. And, and that she actually did, I think they also believe, uh, she didn't actually die.
They
believe either.
Well, I think that's probably a false issue, but that's often taught
well, correct. Yeah.
Um, I don't think that Catholic Church would stand behind that. Maybe they would. I
could be wrong. Well, at least the people that I've talked to, they're like, yeah, you know,
um, but they believe that she.
Remain sinless through her whole life, correct? Yeah. And which that is not supported in scripture at all. No, it's
not.
So, um, the scripture doesn't say that she sinned, like just doesn't go on to say Mary was a horrible sinner. It just as a creation of God in a fallen and broken world, marred by original sin and fully human, she must be marred by sin.
Mm-hmm. So that must mean like that's the difference. What Jesus was is, is God.
Yeah.
That's the difference. So Jesus was sinless because he is God. Sin is the mark God sets. So Jesus cannot sin because he sets the mark. Um, and so that's the hard part, is the reality of some of the difference in the teachings of the Catholic church and the Protestant church, which was a birth from the Catholic Church, which is when Martin Luther decided to say to the Catholic Doctrine of the Day in, I think, what was it?
Uh,
1964. Oh no, that was when Columbus
came. Was it 90? Was it 92 thesis?
I dunno. Something like that.
Was it, I think it was like 1492. Was it the same year? No, that's
Columbus
Sail Ocean. It was the same year. When was this thesis?
When did Columbus
say it was a 92 thesis, right?
1517.
15, 17
is the 95 thesis is
95 thesis.
'cause it it was, it wasn't the year, it was the 95 things that he had an issue at Catholic church.
Oh yeah, that's right.
That were Notre supported in scripture was the problem. He was saying these things are not supported in scripture of the Catholic doctrine. That's why the Lutheranism broke off. That's why the Protestant church started so
Right.
We're not saying. We're not here to say Catholic so bad and the Catholic church is bad. No, no. But there are differences that the Catholic doctrine has expanded outside of the framework of just scripture. Right. And we really try to keep true to what the Bible says in that alone. We don't believe that a priest or a Pope can add or change, um, the direction of the church.
God is the progenitor of the church and we must stick to the, to his word. So that's the difference. That's good.
But any who,
so, yeah, I mean I think that's, that's, that's been our conversation and, but you know, you are very involved in the music world and so some of your gigs are from Catholic churches and Catholic communities.
'cause, you know. You are a, you're a safe Christian DJ who plays good, safe music, so you're welcome to that community. So you know a lot of people in that community.
Well, the interesting thing about that, and this is like, you know, we joke about this, but all jokes aside, the, the Catholic community is not, especially in the US, is not very diverse.
Because I'm African American or black like a, they like to actually bring me in to like represent the Catholic church, but I'm not Catholic.
You're the college brochure guy.
I, I am the college brochure guy.
Not, you're the Catholic Church's college brochure guy.
You're not wrong. I, I end up on a lot of brochures.
I'm sure I do. So
every event you're in the. Final pictures.
I had final picture guys.
I was there for five minutes.
Yeah, like don't worry about it. Like I walked in. So anyway, but how's you serving this week, Kyle?
Yeah,
well we went to three services though. We do need to talk about
that. We did go to three service.
Yeah, I thought three services was great. Uh, we had like 512 people, which is awesome. Uh, unexpected. We had a lot of guests because we had a child vacation.
Is that the most we've had here in like a long time?
Yeah. That would be the most, yeah.
That's crazy.
That's the most we've
ever had. What do we have for Easter this year?
We, was it that high or? No,
it was close to that. It might've been high. I mean most for a Sunday outside of Easter or Christmas, probably ever. But I mean, it's probably pretty close to Eastern numbers pretty good, if not more. I mean, we've just been growing. It's nice. That's awesome. Um, we had 60 over in, or 50 over in, um, Jackson.
Yeah, around 50. Um, so it's, it was a, it was a great Sunday for our church and we're growing and we had like 300 people in the second service, which was crazy. This is too many, uh, which is the problem we were trying to address. I was like, that's like fire code issues. And I know if you're listening to this and you came, you're like, man, there were way too many people in church.
Like we had child dedication, so. We had some visits that kind
of inflated it a
little bit. So hopefully we'll see more of next week kind of what our, our normal, but I don't know that we're gonna have those same numbers every week. If, if we do, then we will figure it out for
services by January.
Um, we'll have to figure it out.
Um,
that's
what I keep saying. Part of, part of what we're trying to do is. With our campaign, we're trying to redo our space. We're just waiting on some architect and the builder to kind of figure some things out and then we can get that approved and then we'll, we're gonna go ahead to expand and reet the room that will help us.
And so yeah, we, we should be able to navigate those things here sooner. It's just a matter of when we can get that done. But with the furlough of the government, it has held up our project even though. That doesn't affect us 'cause we're not furloughed. But our architect who's been working with our builder is furloughed.
So he has been taking as many jobs as he can to make pay.
Mm.
So he not be able to help us. Is furloughed
mean?
Means laid off.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Um, but he's been trying to every he can to make income, to take care of his family. So he's been working for us for free as, as a, as a help. That means he's not moving forward with us until he gets back to work.
So,
mm-hmm.
So we kind of are in a holding pattern, which I kind of believe is just God's providence. You know, we, while we wait, we wait and we wait for God's leading, and we kind of see where God's leading us. But
that doesn't mean the campaign is on hold either. Campaign's
not on hold, that is
still going.
Campaign's, not, campaign's not on hold yet. We're still going, but uh,
ultimately we. We just gotta wait for the, the design. We're waiting for the design to get back from the, from the township for the parking lot. So we can't do anything with that. Yep. There are other things that are happening. I don't wanna say today I announced it to staff meeting.
Of course. Course, of course. We'll talk about on the third Sunday. There's a big, big major thing that has happened in the life and heart of our church. Going along with a campaign, our plan. Good thing. Awesome thing. Yeah, it's awesome. Good thing, thing we'll announce on the third Sunday of the month, as we said we would.
So if you want to come and hear about it, come third Sunday of the month. If you don't come that Sunday, then. Ask people who were there or watch the live stream. Watch the live stream, we'll announce it. But it is really exciting news and I think people, a lot of people will be excited about it. Yeah, it's kind of an answer prayer and it's part of our three tiers of our campaign, so That's true.
It just kind of moved along in a, in an awesome way. So we're, we're really excited about that. And then as we did three services, we talked about Hebrew, we, we did a Greek series in the spring and we kind of broke down Greek words and what they mean and how we translate those into English and what we can learn from that.
And so we. We've always wanted to go and do a Hebrew service this year too, as well. Well, Han we kind of say what we're, what's on the docket for the year. So Hebrew was on the docket. So we did, uh, a message about Hebrew. We're gonna do the whole month, it's gonna be about Hebrew and kind of looking at words in Hebrew and what they mean and how they get translated English.
So then kind of applying that in our lives. We, we did the first one was the word, what was the word? What was the word? Mark? You haven't talked a lot. Mark wasn't even here. I wasn't even here. Here. Jared. Looking at Jared and Jared's like, oh, Jared. Jared. Remember when you said you were here for three services on Sunday?
I
was here for three services
on Sunday. What was the Hebrew word we discussed Sunday? This is a fun one.
You know what? I want to know if you guys No. So type it in the comments right now. There's no
comment. This podcast,
you can comment on Spotify. Actually,
he's, he's stalling. He's uh, though, do we want a lifeline?
I do what I do.
Um, remember it's name, Vember. Does that help you? I'm it's name. Vember.
Yeah. Oh, November was the Hebrew word.
No, definitely not November. That was not a thing.
That's, that's Hebrew for fall.
Was it Logos?
No, it was Yahweh today. The name of God.
Oh my gosh. I literally messed with this message.
Holy God. I watched this. I knew this. I literally, when I was editing it, I didn't know this. Oh my goodness.
If you're en listening to this podcast right now and it's Thursday and you don't remember what the message was about, just remember Jared who was there three times.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah. And so I
literally, I na, named it the name of God
as the sermon you have.
You were at another campus working, and so I was, but you did just watch though, but you I was in other places. It's so funny. My job
is very stressful.
So what did you learn Sunday in these. These messages about God's name,
you know, you know what? It is amazing because God's name is so powerful and I think that's one of the things I learned.
And you know, when I, when I think of the word Yahweh and you need to make this, uh, you know, connection, but, um, I think of yah, like yeah, for God. Yeah. Like, yah. You know what I'm saying? So like, yeah. So, you know, yeah. Yahweh. So I, I learned that God's name is powerful and God has a lot of names that are used in the Bible, but Yahweh is like.
The name, that's like his, like,
name is the name. It's like, yeah, it's not a title, it's a name. And
so, yeah, it, I think the, the cool thing is just giving people, I think discussing Yahweh, which is in scholarly circles, considered
the Tetragrammaton. 'cause it's four letters without vowels.
Oh yeah. 'cause you talked about the, uh, the decepticons and you were like, you gotta touch your grand transformers.
Yeah,
yeah. More than meaty. Um. Which is interesting 'cause there's a lot of eyes and angels, but
That's true.
We'll talk about that in our podcast.
Amen.
Um, so, but just things like praise the Lord is important because it's praise Yahweh is really what it is. It's praise, Yahweh Praise. Well, the
hallelujah thing that was fascinating to me when I saw your
messages isn't that neat?
So praise Hallelujah. Which is Praise the Lord, which is
mm-hmm. Uh, the Bible thing got me of the, the non-Christian, uh, like didn't you talk about the non-Christian groups. Or did we talk about that after? I feel like we may, maybe me and Matt talked about that of how anybody can publish the Bible that
Oh, yeah, I talked about that.
Yeah, you talk about that, right? I was like, yeah, didn't you
talk
about that? Like I was like to
me, like he was not here on Sunday.
Like, what, where should I go to on
Sunday? He's like, where, where, where are you attending?
Yeah,
no,
you did talk about
that. I talked about that in two of the three services.
Okay, so there you
go.
Not all three services. Got that. Yeah.
See, so I was listening.
Yeah.
At two of the three services.
Yeah.
For at least
a
few minutes. And the reason why, here's the thing, the reason why. The third service didn't get it is because it's really hard to remember what I said in the third service. Oh, if I said it in the previous service, or if I'm saying it in the service earlier in the message.
A hundred percent. And so it's like if I don't know. It's a new example,
right?
And so the sermons are not the same. If you watch, if you watch the sermons, they're not the same sermon. There's different examples in each one. So people I know if they go to live group and talk about it, you might share a story and somebody will look at you like, I have no idea what're talking about it.
Might not have got shared in theirs, their service, like the slides or the slides, but there's. A lot of ways that I, I can make connections or I have examples that if I have time I'll use, but Yeah. Um, I sometimes will use different examples and different services and it's not, it's not necessarily always intentional.
I just, it's, it's how this sermon comes out. And here's the cool thing about how that happens. They'll be like, I, like, this is where I think the Holy Spirit shows up.
Mm-hmm.
There'll be certain times that I say something only in one service, out of the two typically. 'cause we had two. Yeah. But out of the three.
Where I'll have not said that at another service and I won't even have thought that.
Right.
And then that connection will come and then someone will come up to me in the lobby afterwards and like, man, when you said that, like
yeah,
that was like right for me. And I'm like, I wasn't even in my plan. Right?
Yeah. So that was never in my thoughts. I never thought of that. It just came to me as I was in that service at that moment. And it's where I think the Holy Spirit spirit will give you. The words to say, if you're like just attuned and say, Hey, God, lead me. It what's necessary for people in their moment.
And it's not anything that I'm doing, it's what he's doing. Yeah. I'm just, I'm just the vocal piece. Like it's not like, well Kyle's so amazing 'cause he knows, Nope. Didn't even think about it. Like it just came to me in that moment. That was God moving. And I think for people, they don't realize how often that happens.
Yeah.
Uh, it can be almost weekly at times where, you know, I, you know, I'll come up with something and I'm like, I, I never plan on saying that that way. Yeah. But it is transformative for somebody. And I, I, to me, as a pastor, that's how you see God move. When someone says, Hey, when you said that me a few weeks ago, I'm like, never, never even remember saying that.
Never even planned on saying that.
Yeah.
I don't even know if that was in my sermon. And, uh, like, yeah, it was, it was great. So like, I think that's, it's important because. God is real. God is tangible. He's always moving and working. We just have to pay attention to it. That's why learning God's name is important, but also learning how the Bible came, came together.
We talked about kind of how the Bible came together, like how it's translated that God's name in there 6,800 times, but you don't ever see it because it's, you know, replaced with Adam I, which means Lord, because outta reverence for him. Like I think it's good for us to know that. Um, as people who read the Bible, but when you see that, when I see the Lord all in caps, it's actually God's name, Yahweh, underneath that,
right?
That was the original language in Hebrew. That was then tra, you know, changed by some editor to revere God's name to a different level. And I don't know about you, but I've never replaced your name Jared, on any writing with. The Lord Jared? Well,
well, not typically, no. Um, depends what, uh, religious circle I running into start.
So, no, the Catholics, no. Um, no, but the interesting thing about that too, and I don't think you said it on Sunday, but um. I use an app called the Blue Letter Bible. I'm sure you've heard of it. Yeah, I use that. Yeah. So I use the Blue letter Bible and I can put like Hebrew, Greek, and, you know, just like the NIV or the ESV, um, you know, all next to each other at the same time.
And it's really, really cool to be able to see like, oh yeah, that actually is Yahweh, right? Like, you know, and when it is capitalized like that. So
I mentioned that in one of the services.
Oh, did you?
Only, only one. Yeah, only one.
So, so yeah. So yeah, but I, that's the app I use, um, when I read the word sometimes and do some studying, so for, uh, for service.
So
people are gonna feel cheated after this. Like, oh, I miss
out.
Well,
so come to all three services, come to all three
s to get all
three parts. This podcast,
yeah, it's fun. Uh, Ryan went to Boose services one Sunday. He was like, it's kind of fun to go to service 'cause you say different things and Yeah, I said, yeah,
yeah.
He's like,
do you do that intentionally?
No.
No.
Nope. Kind of plays out. Yeah, that's the way way it works.
I do wanna shout you out though, Kyle. You did stick on time. Like that was,
I wasn't, that was,
that was impressive.
I
was
impressed when I uploaded it.
Right. We're usually struggling on time, but we did good.
This, this one wasn't even 31
minutes.
What? I know. Isn't that amazing?
That was impressive. I always use, I remember when I saw like the 51 minute messages.
Here's the thing, here's the thing though.
That was like a few months ago.
You were excited when you saw this?
Not excited. No.
Should have been it's extra word, mark.
Extra. That is shorter.
You, you want less of the Bible?
I
didn't say that. Yeah, mark. I just thought it's funny. Get Get 'em, Kyle. Say
it again. Well, when you have time, you have to fill the time. So it didn't feel short. No, we did for me. Have the time. No, I bet. Like, because like, I mean, I intentionally limited my slides significantly.
Yeah.
Um, which actually helped. But, um, Linda, Linda had put 35 minutes up first and then switched it to 25, but I remember seeing 35. So the first service was like, that's longer than I'm supposed to be. So I needed, I need to really make sure I, I pushed it. So first service was probably the shortest, just because.
I was trying to really cut the time because I thought I had, the time was wrong, but she switched the timer without me knowing, so I ended up
Oh, so that's what's funny.
These are the things that people don't realize. Yeah. A, there's a timer ticking down. I don't really care when it's over. It's usually screaming at me in red.
You don't
normally
it's usually screaming at me in red. Six minutes over, seven minutes over, and
I still got one
more song there. It's 20 minutes over. Yeah. 20
minutes over.
Yeah. Never says 20. Might say 17, but never say Wow. 17, not 20. So, yeah, but no, I mean, but not, I think if you like study in the Bible, you do not have to memorize Hebrew.
You don't have to learn Hebrew. No, but it is, it's good to go back to the original languages. 'cause you get depth of meaning.
Yeah.
The English is sufficient to figure out. Yeah. Like they've done a good job of scholarly research over the two millennia that we get a really good idea of what the original.
Writers were intending that, that we get that meaning some kind of meaning in English.
Yeah.
But sometimes you need more translations. Like you, one translation alone is not really for a deep study of the Bible. Not sufficient. Correct.
And well, the original
English or reading the Bible it is, but if you wanna study, you should always go to.
Different translations that are written in different ways. Like some of them are written word for word translation, like direct Hebrew word to the English word. Some of them are thought for thought, where they take the meaning of the passage and to make it easy to read. It's good to read both of those.
Mm-hmm. So you can see the difficulty to read. It's difficult to read the word for word for some people, uh, because it's hard to understand and comprehend. But if you could put that into context with the thought for thought, you actually get the full width and breadth of the scripture. Mm-hmm. In that. And then different translations have different.
Translations of that word for word. So you can, the more you kind of interact with, the easier it is can be to process. And sometimes, like what you said with blue letter Bible, if I've got three or four translations there, I may not know what the meaning of a word is, correct. Right. And that the NIV uses, but I might read the NLT and they use it, they substitute a different phrase.
That means what that word I don't know means Now I can understand it more fully. Right. So, right. I think people need to, when they study, they need to re understand. We're going from one word in Hebrew, they often had many different meanings 'cause they only had 30,000 words. Mm-hmm. We have, I don't know how many, only how many hundreds of thousands of words do we had.
Tons. I have no idea. Look, look it up. See? See how many words we have compared to like the he original Hebrew. The Bible is written. There's like a huge difference. I think this is where people, maybe this would be, I can share this a little.
Uh, there's roughly a million words in the English
language. Okay.
How many are in the, in the ancient Hebrew? How many words are in it? It'd be like 36. That's letters in the alphabet,
right? 14,000.
So it's, there were 14,000 words. That, that we have a million words that, that basically those 14,000 words, that one goes into it. So you have 1 million different ways to break down those 14,000 words, correct?
That's correct. That's why one word could mean a variety of different things, depending on the context, the syntax, the grammar, the. The what Particip goes with it before it, after, like, so you have to, there's a nuance to understanding biblical Hebrew, which interest. You can't just go read it without knowing all that.
So it's, that's where scholars are a big and important part of it, but going to the original language is, you can get it real. Depth, because that word could mean a lot of different things.
Mm-hmm.
And it might've meant all those things. In some passages, depending on how it was written, there might be that word meant mercy and loving kindness, and like a list of things where you might just have it translated as one thing.
Yeah.
Uh, and so like when God's name, Yahweh is in there, it actually meet the width and breadth of what that means to us is huge. More than just a, those four letters. But like,
yeah,
you miss that. Um, when you just, and
it's almost like an art to take the nuance of the word you're using and communicate exactly what it means in a whole new language.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Like we have 15 ways to say it, but explaining the fullness of it, one word might take a whole phrase to really, yeah. Get the point across in what it all entails when you change
it. Yeah. And, and like it's, we can see simple things like Spanish, like there's Spanish words, like if you go to the Spain and, and even Spain and Mexico, there's different Spanish.
So you can go to Spain and say something in Mexico, say something. I'll be like, that's, that's not how we say that here. And uh,
or English to English. Go to Great Britain.
That's
true.
Yeah, that's true. Great. Great. Britain say, what
is it? You say? Chips
and chips or fries. And, but you know, you come here, chips are actual potato chips.
So
I, yeah, I mean you can
go from, that's a good example. You can go
from
there to
Australia
as well and get, you know, three different, you know, what are chips in Australia. I think there's still British chips.
Well, I'm not just that word, Kyle, but I'm just, you
know what? I wanna leave this podcast. This has been a fun day for me.
You know what immediately comes to my mind? This is a Fosters commercial. Have you ever seen that? Yeah, I know.
I have not.
When you go to what a Australian words mean, what does fosters mean to you?
Uh, did I say
fosters
a adopt, uh, potential adoption fostering.
See, that's what
foster program
or, but Fosters is actually the name of a beer in Australia.
So there used to be a, a commercial that, I remember seeing this as like a kid, as a teenager, it was like, fosters, it's Australian for beer, but like, it's like the meaning of the word changes in Australia. It's not that word meaning in America or anywhere else in the world. Mm-hmm. So in it, although it was a comical commercial right.
Commercial. I mean, that's like 30 years ago. I still remember it. Like I can still see the ads in my mind play as I think about that. Wow. 'cause it was so, it played all the time. And that's the reality of what's happening in scripture. They're trying to take these Hebrew words. Find an English equivalent and give us understanding of what that meant.
And so there's a lot happening. And
also understanding like the pH phrase, what the phrases mean, like we have, we have idioms and things like that. Like cat got your tongue. That doesn't mean a cat actually has your tongue. Oh, right. It's like a phrase. It's like a saying where learning that stuff in cat
actually did get my dog's tongue the other day though, when she swiped at
Oh, nice.
Wait, which dog? Yeah,
Trevi. Revy. Oh, that's fine. Sounds like Trevi Scooter would not, scooter would not play, but technically
that's usually a phrase.
But like things like that, like that's why learning the language or at least getting a understanding of it and why scholars have spent so much time figuring it out is 'cause sometimes there's those things, like, what is it in Psalms?
In the beginning of some of the psalms, there's a phrase that we think meant something like, it was a music direction.
Oh, right.
I don't remember what the word is, but some of the psalms that they kept it in. But we don't fully understand what that phrase. Sayah Sayah. Sayah,
yeah, that's,
yeah.
Yeah.
And so things like,
it's the end though, isn't it?
It's in the beginning of some of the,
I thought, I thought sayah. Didn't it mean like completion? No, that's Amen. What is
Amen means
sobe it. So
be
it.
I know what sayah means. Um, well question Kyle. Um, the for, and you might have mentioned it in one of the three or all of the three services, but let's just say somebody was working really, really hard during your.
During your sermons and wasn't quite in there the whole time. Um, you know, I'm not gonna use any names, but, um, if somebody asked you what, what version of the Bible they should read, because I get that question all the time, Jared, you know, DJ code, whatever, what version of the Bible should I read? What, what is your answer to that?
Well, I, I did mention this a couple times
and I remember, I remember,
I don't know if I've mentioned it in every service though. Okay. Um, so, but I did say it's whatever is the. Easiest for you to understand.
Hmm.
Whatever Bible that you will regularly read is the Bible you should read
right
now.
Understanding the nuance of what I'm saying is like not every Bible's word for word. Not every bible's for thought, for thought. So there are differences between Bibles. The meaning is there for all of 'em. They all tend to get to the same destination, but they take different routes. By the best way I say it, um, we could all go to, to Myers and Jackson.
But we might drive different roads to get there. That's kind of like the Bible translations are, so they're different routes to the same destination.
Okay. Like
somebody might be like, I
hate using the highway. I don't want to be on the highway
at all. Yeah. So they, and that would be, um, the highway's, the fast route.
Right? So the fastest, easiest way, what might be the NA sb, which is a word for word. Oh. It's written at 12th grade reading level. It's not easy. Um, where you might wanna take the meandering route that's easy to navigate. You don't have any real risk, but it's gonna take a little longer. That might be the NLTA lot more words, but a lot more explanation to what's happening in the passage.
So both of them get you there. Uh, and so. If, if I'm a deep studier, I mean, I, I was kind of like a Bible snob in college. I was like, I'm already NASB only. 'cause that's like the, the, the, the core word for word. The problem is it's really hard for some people to understand. Yeah. And so as a pastor, we use ESV, which is kind of, uh, a middle ground between the translation.
So if you are like a hardcore NASB person, you like the ESV, they're very similar. But if you're NIV, it's very similar. NIV. And if you're NLT or NIRV. It's like the ESV still makes sense because it's kind of the split between the hardest to read. So that's, that's kind of why we use ESV mainly with a little bit of NIV thrown in.
Uh, every once in a while I'll throw NLTN. We could use that more. I just, it's a preference. I think a lot of people sitting there reading, if you're new to the Bible and go, you can start with NLT. That's fine. That's, it's a good bible. If you're just like, I don't really understand what the Bible's saying.
Get an NLT. Yeah.
Yeah. I grew up in NIV and that's I ditto. I do either I preach from the NIV or the ESV pretty much.
There's a reason I don't like the NIV. It's pretty simple. The NIV is owned by a secular company, Harper Collins. Now it's no longer owned by a Christian company. And back in 2011, they made some really significant changes to a version of it because the version, so the version of NIV is changes.
It's not the same version. There was a 1986 version. Or 1990 and then they changed it in 2011 and they changed a lot of the gender words, um Oh, did they? To, to take gender out of a lot of it. Interesting. And that's not something I feel that scholars should be doing, especially in the modern context of Right.
You know, society and, um, different things. So it radically rocked the church, just the church in America. And the outpouring of that was ESV took off because the ESV stood true to the gospel, didn't make the sacrifices for context of culture.
And they land in a similar spot in terms of translating,
right?
Yeah, and they, they're very similar translations. What happened is the NIV came back and did like a 2015 version, which they went back to kind of the 1990 or 86 version, but the damage was done. They damaged so badly. The, the relationship with churches, I mean my, my church I was serving at the time. Got rid of every NIV Bible.
Took it out. Wow. Threw 'em all out. They didn't don in, they got rid, they, they threw 'em out 'cause this is not something we're gonna promote. And they went fully in, it was a church, like 1400 people and they went fully in. We're gonna be an SV church moving forward. So they encourage people to get rid of NI Vs.
If you're reading the moderate NIV, you might be reading the one that was the 2015 you might be reading in 2011. Like there are two different versions of it out there. Yeah. So you have to be careful. And so that's why I don't really promote the N IV as much. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Um, I just would, would not promote the, the 2011 version.
I think it was 2011. But if you're listening this and you're like, oh, I wonder, I read an iv, uh, I'll help you. I mean, I'm glad to look at it through, there's actually a study you can go online, you can probably put it in AI or Google search and just mm-hmm. What are the difference between an IV translations and what was the ESV drama?
Right. 'cause it changed a lot. ESV made a boatload of money though that year because a lot of reformed churches, a lot of. Um, conservative churches all switch to ESV.
As soon as I see, like in the, uh, it's probably in the message Bible, because that's more of a paraphrase, but Yeah. You know, where, uh, where Jesus asked, you know.
Hey, you know, come walk on water. And Peter was like, man, six, seven, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? That would definitely
be the message
about that. That's message about,
I think that is the Gen Alpha Bible.
The Gen Alpha Bible. Yeah. Six, seven.
It is a Gen Alpha bible.
It sounds like Alpha translation.
Yeah, there's a Gen Z
there. Actually, Weaver
gave me a Gen Z translation a few years ago. It's
terrible. Is it really bad? I've never read
one one. It's, it's it's chat. It's basically a chat. GPT. That like went through and translated, translated it all to, it's actually kind of funny. Yeah, I'm sure
it is funny.
So it's more,
there's couple of apps out. You can pay for that, do that too.
Yeah,
I'd
like
to.
Yeah, I read, I read one one time service. One of those Gen Z apps was kind fun.
Right.
Um, you should not read those, right? Yeah. Don't, yeah. Or the message. Um, yeah. Don't read the message. Don't, don't curse me. Read the message.
Good. No, no.
There's some things off there.
So many things off
there. The message is, is the message is fine. If, as a translation, if you, it's not a translation. It's not translational. It's a para paraphrase of one man. Um, so it's his paraphrase of the Bible. If you are struggling to understand something, you can read it to help, maybe give you a different context.
Yeah.
But that context is not always true to the original and so you have to be aware. He was limited as one man in his understanding of all things. So
yeah,
I think that's where we have to be careful, but,
well, good.
So we got a lot into the bylaw metrics. Great. How to, how to figure all that out.
I like it.
I like it.
What do you read?
Uh, I've grown up on NIV. I've recently started digging into the NLTA bit. I do quite enjoy the way it clearly elaborates and it helps me communicate it to people when I'm digging into it.
Well, I did misstate something on Sunday and Cody corrected me. I did say that the NIV and the NLT were both owned by Harper Collins, which is.
Which is NLT is
not
right. NLT is not, I met NA rv, so this is my ADA for Sunday. Is that, that was a mistake. I, I know that that's the mistake, but I just was speaking quickly about thinking about it. Yeah. The NLT is owned by Dale Tindale is a Christian owned company. Um, a conservative Christian company. So NLT is a good translation and
if I would've listened to your sermon, I would've been misled.
You see what I'm saying? Is that Yeah,
I'm good.
I will. Next time I say that from stage I'll clear it up. So, but now misses me clearing up on the podcast.
Well, there you go.
It's not anything about the Bible, so I don't feel like I need to
make an apology. No, you're fine.
But like it was, uh,
no, Matt showed me the NLT and I would actually kind of been enjoying it.
Cody's been
enjoying the LT
because it breaks it, it does break it down at a very digestible level for people. So like our
children use the NI rv,
correct. 'cause that's for their, which
is, but that's what their curriculum comes with NIV rv. And it's the new international reader's version. And it's very basic.
It's very similar to N-I-N-L-T, but a little bit even lower level, even even simpler. So it breaks it down for children. And so that's probably the best version for children just because it's, I think it's the. The, the right one to pick for a lot of little children. I think as you get up into middle school at late elementary, NLT is probably a good place to
be.
Yeah. I go back and forth between an ESV archeological study bible that I have, that I got from Pete Kent at the Jackson campus and my, uh, NLT um, study Bible.
Yeah. What is the difference between an arche. What is, it
has archeological facts and data and like where it's found. Got one, the documentation got one out here on the shelf for the podcast.
It is, it is, it is so cool. I need
to pick one of
those up there. There's sections of it that like cover where some of the recovered, like, um, where they recovered artifacts. Artifacts of those documents. Wow. Of those passages. That's of those sections. It's, it's super nerdy. I love it so much. So Pete found out a few years ago, he's like, do you want this?
I'm like, yes, Pete. Yes. I want this. Thank you. I
have to go pick one up. Yeah.
So,
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