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Ep.161 - Three Minutes to Clarity: The Meditation Practice High Achievers Didn’t Know They Needed with Melanie Dean
Melanie Dean shares her wisdom on how high achievers can tap into their inner guidance system by cultivating stillness and meditation practices that fit into busy lives.
• Melanie explains how Kundalini yoga works with the "radiant body" and expands our energetic presence
• Understanding the ten bodies concept in Kundalini yoga and how it relates to our physical and energetic presence
• The importance of checking in with yourself to avoid following dogma or others' expectations
• Exploring the four parts of the mind: conscious, subconscious, superconscious, and automatic functions
• How to distinguish between fear-based decisions and love-based choices
• The misconception that slowing down means going backwards in business and life
• Why exhaustion often comes from misalignment rather than hard work
• The polarity of human experience and finding your center point between extremes
• How just three minutes of daily meditation can create profound shifts in awareness
• The significance of discernment in a world where our attention is the most valuable commodity
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On today's show we interview the beautiful Melanie Dean, who is a soulful business and life coach, kundalini yoga and meditation teacher and the founder of Radiant Living. She also co-owns a yoga studio and loves creating spaces for people to pause, reconnect and reset. This episode is for the high achievers. I definitely resonate with that term. We dive deep into alignment and what it really takes in today's world to listen to your inner voice and understand self and how to discern between the voice of fear and the voice of love. This is Melanie's vibe, you know. She helps ambitious, driven women to switch off the noise and align their energy and trust their intuition so they can work less, create more and live fully awake. Today's world is full of so much noise. This is one of the most powerful skills and can often be the most difficult skill to master is stillness. So if you understand the why behind anything you do, it just has more potency and more power. So today's episode, you're going to understand why. Why it is now more important than ever to tune in to the inner voice of self.
Speaker 1:Hello, cell diggers, Welcome back to another guest episode with one of my favourite humans in the whole entire world, Melanie Dean. Wow, how do I even introduce such a radiant being Like. As soon as you came on Zoom, I was like wow, you are just radiating and when I think of you, I think of this bright light that also doesn't take any BS. You know, whenever I ask your opinion or advice, you just give it to me straight and I really honour and respect that in you and I'm so grateful to have you as a friend. We've been for, I'd say, 13, 14 years yeah, it will be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we've always had this joke around like mel and kim and doing fun things together and expanding consciousness, and I remember when we were in our first network marketing company together, you were one of the souls I instantly clicked with and we were like the weirdos that were talking about spirituality and it was like oh, kind of a bit behind the scenes but we kind of got each other and saw each other and you really helped me to step into that place within myself because you felt so embodied in that as well.
Speaker 2:So it's a pleasure to have you on the show thank you for inviting me, kim, and well done for putting out Soul Digger again. That's really exciting. I know this next season is going to be deep. It's going to be very interesting. We know what the one of the next podcasts is going to be, but, yeah, I'm really excited to be here. So thank you for inviting me and, yeah, I always share with you things I know that you can take. I would never go into a place that you know wouldn't be right for you, so that's a reflection of you as well as of me. But, yeah, I'll take it. So thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh OK. So why are you so bloody radiant? What's your secret? I don't know that's a good question.
Speaker 2:I mean, honestly, the thing I bang out on about the most is meditation. That's my thing, that's the thing that I believe and I know to my core is the thing that just helps so many people. It's helped me to no extent. It's just incredible the benefits I've received from meditating. I also meditate with Kundalini Yoga meditations.
Speaker 2:So we use mantras, we use breathwork, we move the body as well, and obviously with meditation, and that actually is working on the radiation, the radiance of the body. So we speak about 10 bodies in Kundalini Yoga and one of them, the 10th body, actually is the radiant body. But you've got different bodies and some of them are the mental bodies. So you've got the positive mind, the negative mind, the neutral mind, for example. You've got the physical body is one of the 10 bodies soul body. This is not in any order. You've got the pranic body, which is like the vitality, but then, as you go up the numbers, you've got the subtle body and you've got the arc line. So the arc line is based in both. Men and women have an arc line between ear to ear, but women have an extra arc line from nipple to nipple. And think of that as, say, for example, you look at a light bulb and it's the filament in the light bulb. So what you can do is you can project through that light bulb and increase the arc line, the radiance. So usually if you're meditating with someone who practices Kundalini, you might see like a white halo of the head and it works on the auric body as well. So expanding the aura, which then projects basically doing the meditation, the mantra, the movement and the breath work projects, basically doing the meditation, the mantra, the movement and the breath work can expand the aura and project through this, this arc line, and then that increases the, the radiance. But also it's it's knowing how to work with it.
Speaker 2:If you want to go like a bit more inwards so, for example, even color, like wearing white, that is the, the highest frequency of a color, so when you wear white it expands the aura. But if you want to go, say you've got a party that you're going to and you just like you don't want to be there and you just want to be a bit hidden, you can wear like the darker colors and you can be a bit more sort of in the corner and close the aura. You can even, like mentally and consciously, bring that as you go into a room, you can expand or you can, um, uh, contract and obviously it's tools, isn't it? So you can do either. It's not right or wrong to do one or the other, but it's your choice, yogi's choice. I always say how you want to be in a room and and having that intention. So yeah, that's a bit of like behind radiance, um. But yeah, I mean, at end of the day, maybe some days I look radiant and maybe some days I don't look radiant at all.
Speaker 2:So like, maybe you just got me on a good day and that's all good, but you know, when you're talking to a friend as well and you feel comfortable and life's sweet and you know you've done your morning practice. It does. It obviously helps for sure. Had your coffee and I got a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were speaking. It took me back to that moment where we were sat in a room in l? It. Was it l it? No, it's edinburgh. We've had many adventures, haven't we? We've been had many of an adventure. We've been on many spirit like. When I think of it now, like you've been such a powerful part of my spiritual journey. You know, we've been in la meditating, doing kundalini. We've been in Edinburgh with Guru Jagat, who's unfortunately passed away now, and when you were talking then about the, the bodies and the wearing white, I was like wait, I've got 10 bodies, I'm just about looking after this one. I remember being sat in a room in Edinburgh, cross-legged on the floor wearing white, and everyone's wearing these white turbans and we're all like with our hands in the air for like literally 10, 20 minutes, like actually kim it was 31 minutes.
Speaker 2:Oh, 31 minutes it was, yeah, yeah. So the hini is is quite tantric and yeah. So anyway, sorry to interrupt, but to me that's important if I've done 31 minutes, you know. Yeah, we want to make sure everyone to know that.
Speaker 1:Say again we want to make sure the whole world knows, because that is discipline. Yeah, put your hands in the air. But if you, if literally when I was maybe like mid-20s, if you would have shown me an image of being in that room, I would have thought I've absolutely lost the freaking plot. Yeah, you know, it's this kind of spiritual concept of you know, when you get spiritual, you're hugging trees and you're wearing white and yet you're meditating in a room and it's actually a. It's a really beautiful experience to have, and can you explain a bit more about, like, the power of kundalini and like maybe why it?
Speaker 2:it might be perceived as a bit of a woo-woo thing yeah, and you know, going back to what you're just saying as well, I always, I'm always checking in. Is this dogma or does this feel true? And and that's, I guess, one reason, another many reasons why I connect with kundalini and, honestly, it was through the teachers I connected to kundalini yoga. First I saw one of my teachers, guru jaga, youtube doing podcasts and she was just sassy and savvy. She was speaking about business. She was speaking about prosperity, wealth, money. She was, but she was grounding it in in in connection, in in source, in god connection, in co-creation. So it it was using esoterics, which some people might call woo-woo, but I call it what you'd call the esoterics, but it was grounding it into today, and that's what Kundalini Yoga is about as well. It's literally called a householder's practice. So, for example, you can choose a three-minute meditation and if you do that consistently every day just three minutes you will experience profound results. So whenever I've been taught any tools throughout Kundalini Yoga, it's always come with a side note if it feels good for you.
Speaker 2:So it's always important to check in. You don't want to be connecting to dogma. You have to do this in order to gain that into dogma. You have to do this in order to gain that, because that for me personally and obviously this is me speaking as me and take what you want from what, whatever we're saying here, but that to me isn't a spirit spirituality in inverted commas, you know it's not. No, you need to do this to, not to get. You should do this to get there.
Speaker 2:Um, so it's about asking does does it feel good? So I enjoy wearing white. It does feel good, so I do it. I don't do it all the time, but I do it, and there are some people who wear turbans. For me, that doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel good, but there are times when I cover my head, because when you cover your head, it just protects you from other people's consciousness. In a room, especially if you're leading a meditation or in a gong bath, for example, it can help protect, um your mental space from other people's. Um, so yeah, so in terms of what, what was the question again, sorry about? Was it just a bit more about kundalini, did you say?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, let's say I mean I'm in stoke-on-Trent right now and let's just say some of my friends or my dad walks into a room. The first thing is like oh my God, this is really weird. Like why do people have that perception and how have you seen it shift with the awakenings happening in the world?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know we're always concerned about stuff that we don't know and stuff that we're not brought up with. So you know me and you were brought up in a household full of white people and I don't know about you. But you know I'm not even christened. I didn't go to church, whereas for some people it is normal to chant mantras in the morning. That's part. You know the people that live in stoke-on-trent. There's people that do that. You know. It's just a different household, a different narrative to to what you're used to.
Speaker 2:Um, and so you know, I always think if you've got a flexible, flexible body, flexible mind, open mind, it's always a positive thing. Right, and what I love about kundalini yoga is it each meditation is for something. So, for example, one of my favorite ones I do every day is a three minute addiction meditation and yeah, it does look weird to do and you're doing a mantra, but you get results. And so you know, if you wanna share that and teach that with somebody who might need it, then they're gonna feel the benefits, and if they don't feel the benefits, like, don't do it, then you know, there's a fantastic story of that. My teacher taught, taught me, and somebody who was a smoker and they wanted to, like, give up, give up smoking. And you know they ended up doing the addiction, meditation and and that helped, you know. So they would rather do that for three minutes a day than the results of what it would be from smoking, even though it looks silly and it feels silly, you know, um, but obviously, uh, a lot of your listeners will be aware of, we went from the piscean age to the aquarian age in about 2011, around about that time.
Speaker 2:So when you go through that shift as a as a shift, then obviously things change and things happen and things open and things rise to become more mainstream. So, obviously, I'm a co-owner of a yoga studio as well, and more people are doing yoga than ever before. More people are wanting to know about meditation, more people are coming to gong baths and they don't need to know the hows and the what fors, but they're just open to come in. They've experienced something and they want it again. And that's what I always say to anyone who tries kundalini.
Speaker 2:I always say give it two or three goes, because it's weird, it's different and it's not the norm, but give it. Give it a couple of goes, because your subconscious is almost programmed to fight it, because it will provoke shifts and change and it is designed to clear the subconscious, take out the rubbish that you don't need. So the ego mind will want to fight that and it'll figure out ways to not get on the mat and not do it and not create the shifts and the change in the consciousness. That's what it'll do. It'll be like fighting for it, sort of its say, and it's like okay, I'm aware of you, I hear you, but at this moment in time I'm not going to listen to you.
Speaker 2:Because my teacher mentioned about coming two to three times. I'm going to try it for two or three times and then I always say to people, one of two things happen you either keep coming back and you don't know why, because sometimes it's it's hard and it's not easy, but you can't get off the mat or you don't come back again and either either's fine, because it's not about saying this is the only way, this is the only route. There's many ways to get to that super conscious sensation and connection and co-creation resource. This is just one of many um. So for me, when I do my teacher training in like 2018, there was times I was just sat there, you know, with your arms up in the air for 30 minutes or doing an hour meditation or whatever, and part of me is like what am I doing here? But I couldn't move, I couldn't not be there.
Speaker 2:And then you show up for the next day and the next day and then you know, before you know it, you're teaching it and it's become part of your daily practice. So's it's. It is different, but then it's for those who are ready for different and it doesn't matter if people aren't like, it doesn't matter, you always have to meet. This is again what we learned through network marketing, isn't it? Meet people where they're at, not where you want them to be, because it's not, it's not your agenda. That's important in other people's growth and life on this planet. You know they have their um dharma, their path, their destiny, and it's not for you to tell them what that is. That's for them to live there. And it might not look like yours, it might look completely different to yours. It doesn't make it wrong, it doesn't mean that yours is more superior because it's an inverted comma, spiritual. It's just different. So we yeah, you know it's normal, isn't it? People say it's weird or whatever. That's fine like. Yeah, I think it's weird too.
Speaker 2:I can't believe I'm doing some of the stuff, but I do it because I re, I feel benefits, I see benefits, I experience benefits and for me, the biggest shift for me on my journey was I when first started learning about you know, esoterics and manifestation and energy and all that kind of beautiful work. It was very much driven from reading and that's what shifted with me when I first started listening to Guru Jagat on podcast. It went from reading to more embodiment. It was like, okay, if I want to come to this world with that kind of energy that she had, I needed to do the work that maybe she was doing, or at least try that work. So it wasn't enough to just read about it because, like I mentioned to you earlier, anyone could go and chat GPT and find out the benefits of this meditation, or what's the best meditation for me? Knowledge now is not an issue. There's plenty of knowledge, but to experience for you, that is the most beautiful thing that you can gift yourself, you know maybe a long answer to your questions.
Speaker 2:You'll find that as a pattern we'll.
Speaker 1:We love the long answers and you know we're always a fan of the weird and the taboo on this show, so if you do find something weird, just lean into it. You know, like why does it feel weird? Maybe the life you're living right now is weird, you know, and I'm really curious, actually because you know you were born in yorkshire y Yorkshire, lass, and how did you even get to this point of being open to spirituality?
Speaker 2:Was there a moment in your journey where either the world started to crumble or you just had this fork in the road opportunity. I think, you know, it's not until you're sometimes at this point that you look back and you're like, oh yeah, when I was younger I did think differently and see differently, but I didn't know it was different because you just presume everyone's thinking like you. Have you ever had that notion, that feeling? Yeah, so even I remember, like a few years ago I was sitting with my friend who you know, we were in the teacher training Kundalini together and, and you know, just conversated and it just comes up as just like matter of fact, like I remember when I was younger I'd sit in my room and I'd like think about a guy that I liked, that fancied, you know when I was a teenager, and I'd like, you know, sort of project into his mind, into his psyche and, you know, just putting it out there and I just thought everyone was doing that and it's not until I had this conversation with my friend. She's like Mel, I was definitely not doing that. And then even I remember when I was younger, like looking in the bath, and you know, when you come out of the bath and all the foam's gone and you see these like shapes and I'm like, ooh, what about if that's like other planets and it's moving, and I'm like above it all and there's people living on it, and you know, just like thinking like that. But you, when you're younger and you're in your own mind, more so and I guess those conversations aren't encouraged at school then you don't know that you're the only, or you're. You don't know that other people aren't thinking like that. You just presume that's just what everyone's doing, right, because that's all you know. So you presume that's what everyone is doing. And then I didn't think of myself as being, um, you know, in connected in any way.
Speaker 2:But I always, I always felt that I wanted to live from love and kindness and I, to me, that's spirituality, it's, it's, it's living from as much as that essence of love, kindness and truth as you possibly can, and that's, you know, that's what I always wanted to do growing up. Didn't always do it, but that's what I wanted to do. But in terms of I think it was, it was definitely the knowledge that came first and it was just this excitement that there was something else out there that I didn't know and that was so felt, so real and it felt like home. And then I started having these experiences that I didn't talk about again for a good few years, where I started to feel like I had this really strong sensation and sentence that would come to me and it would just say I just want to go home. But I was kind of home. You know, I've my mom, for example. My mum and dad live in the house that I grew up in. My mum live sleeps in the bedroom that I was born in. So I've definitely got a very grounded home sensation and feeling and base in my life and you know I'm and even in leeds as well, where I grew up um, but this feeling wasn't, it wasn't there, it was this somewhere else where I belong and I and this yearning to be there and for me what helped was was kundalini yoga, and so I think there's definitely, as I'm sure, lots of listeners and I know you've experienced as well in your journey where you have these sort of breakdowns of things and sometimes you build up for it to then break down.
Speaker 2:I've had those as well. I remember we'd gone to like a big day of leadership, training, coaching, and you know they can be quite intense. You've got a lot of energies, you've got a lot of conscious patterning all in one room, lots going on. It's intense. It's like nine till five. You know you may be traveling two hours there, two hours back and and I remember just breaking down like in the shower and just sitting on the shower floor and just crying and crying and just almost like the feeling that my inside body was too big for my body, if that makes sense. It was like it doesn't fit, like this doesn't fit, and that's why sometimes I like being in warmer climates because I don't like wearing loads of clothes. I hate layers. I even once said to my friend just by accident came out as like oh, I can't be doing all these layers, even the skin is one layer too many. You know it just came out. So I've definitely had those feelings and but I wouldn't say it was just one strong moment. I think it's. It's just been that pattern.
Speaker 2:I think you know we all, or a lot of us, go through the Saturn return in late twenties, early thirties. So I had a relationship that I thought you know, this is the guy I'm going to marry I have children with and everything, and that broke down. That was definitely a catalyst to business, to independence, to I'll show you to then that next level of understanding about myself. So that was a catalyst as well. But, yeah, lots of different moments and insights as I began to start learning about myself. Um, I often wonder if, if I've had a walk-in, that's also been a thought. But I I don't know, you know for sure, but it's definitely been a thought. Don't know if that means anything to you what that is. Say again, sorry, explain what that is to everyone. So a walk-in is where, um, another soul comes into your body, so your soul takes you to a certain point in life and then it's like that's maybe what it was only here to do, and then that soul can leave and another soul comes in.
Speaker 1:Um, because they knocked on the door before they come in I know ask permission, put the kettle on which of my 10 bodies are you walking into now? I know?
Speaker 2:This is it. You know, when something is so like contrasting, you know you go from one version of yourself to another. And then, when I reflect, I'm like maybe I had a soul walk in, because even everyone around me says Mel, you're so different to how you used to be. I'm like yeah, I know it's weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1:So like, yeah, I know it's weird, isn't it? So, yeah, oh, I look it sounds like you have just been following your curiosity and your excitement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and meditation has been a huge, a huge piece of this and your ability to listen and come home, which is something I know you're really passionate about. You're passionate about helping high achievers to feel safe in the softness and the slowness which you've definitely helped me with as well, and I would love to speak to this piece about what it really takes to live in alignment because, as you said, we live in a world where there's so much information, there are so many opportunities, that there is also confusion, there is overwhelm, a lot of people don't know which way to turn, and so, going inwards and being discerning and like fully following your truth and your truth only, what does that really take?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's a really good question. I think for me, my beginnings to all that was starting to learn about how the mind works. Again, like for me, it's always about bringing in the esoterics, but with the ground and with the practicalities. So it's I can understand it and I know, okay, I get it, I get this, I understand how I can work with this. So when I started learning about, for example, the four different parts of your mind so you've got the super conscious, you've got the conscious mind, you've got the subconscious mind and then you've got the other mind, which I've completely forgotten what the name is, but it's basically things you'd have to think about, so that your heart beating and you don'd have to think about, so that your heart beating and, um, you know, you don't have to think about that. It will be, thankfully. So we'll focus on the other three. Um, so when I realized that this, the sub, this conscious mind, is when we're aware, we're in awareness and we can hear things and we can learn things, and if we feel that that feels right and it feels true and it feels important to us, it'll go in the subconscious. So, for example, the subconscious will teach us that fire is hot, so we know not to touch it because it's gonna be hot and it'll burn us. So it's important to have the subconscious. We need it.
Speaker 2:But throughout the years, throughout growing up, throughout school, throughout, think about all the people that you've come across in your life. They've come with their narrative, their perception, their stories. Basically everything is perception. There's no such thing really as fact. That's why, when you know, you speak him, you speak about truth and your truth. To me sometimes it sounds a bit I don't know if I could say this word sometimes sounds a bit wanky. You know like it, like it feels very LA. I'm living in my truth. So it feels a bit weird. You know, I don't always. It makes me feel a bit, but basically you know that's, that's it, isn't it? Because as we go through life we're hearing other people's narratives, other people's stories, other people like this is the way it is, this is what we do, this is what you do, and we take that on, and we can take that on as truth, especially as children, because we don't have discernment.
Speaker 2:We're trusting that what people tell us is true and it's fact and it's important, and we bank it. We bank it in our subconscious. So that's the subconscious. It is a finite. It's not infinite, it is finite, but it's huge, it's massive. It can store a heck of a lot. It can store all the things that you might not even realize. You're storing heck of a lot. I can store all the things that you might not even realize. You're storing right.
Speaker 2:And then we've got the conscious mind, which is finite, but it's quite small, it's limiting. So that's why, you know, we're in mindfulness, we're awareness, we're aware of what's going around us and we're conscious of it. But it can't hold that much. That's why we have the subconscious. And then the super conscious is that connection where we lock in and we're connecting to whatever you want to call it, source, energy, god, oneness, that co-creating energy, that co-creating force. And to me that's where alignment is, that's where truth is, that's where and again my beliefs are. You know you had this path that was given to you before you came into this world. So you're in the soul world. You saw a video of your life, you signed the contract for that, and then you are born and you forgot it all. Damn it. Why did that bring in that bit where you forget it all? No, I want to remember it. And then the rest of your life you try and remember what did they say again, what was that video? Again. And you know, we get given free will as well. So when we have free will, we get a chance to, like, mess it up and make bad decisions. But it's all part of being human, it's all part of the human experience. That's what it's about. So we're not trying to be perfect. So we're aware that the all these minds are there. We're aware that the all these minds are there.
Speaker 2:So for me, it's about clearing out the subconscious that I don't need again. That's kundalini, that's mantras. So mantra means projection of thought. So in kundalini as well, we work on, we work like on diagonal energy. So, rather than linear, where your energy is going forwards, this is next, this next, when we cut through on that diagonal, we can take ourselves out of one path and onto another path, a higher path. So we use again it's tools. So whatever tools work for you that, you know, is clearing the subconscious patterns that aren't serving you.
Speaker 2:And then it's then taking the time, even if it's just three minutes a day, where you can just be with you, be with you and whatever that brings up, and you will have thoughts coming in. We're not trying to stop the thoughts. Unless you are a Tibetan monk meditating 20 hours a day in the Himalayas, it's not gonna happen. You know you're gonna have this voice, so it's not going to happen. You know you're going to have this voice. So it's not about getting rid of the voice, it's by understanding, it's by practice of observing it. The voice has come in. I've seen you, I've observed it. I'm letting it go. I'm not attaching a story or a judgment to it.
Speaker 2:And you know how we speak about athletes. What is a really well-tuned athlete? It's not about how high their heart rate goes. It's how quickly they bring it to rest in. That's what's sort of defined as someone who's really super fit, so with like the mind. It's not about how many times the, the subconscious or the conscious mind or the thoughts come in. It's about how quick can you recognize that's happened and then let it go. And that is a practice. I always say, you know, we're not meditation legends, we're meditation practitioners. The clues in the name. It's a practice.
Speaker 2:And some days you sit down and the mind is so busy and some days it's a bit quieter if we get up early in the morning before that busy mind's kicked in nice and and quiet, you know, for maybe end of the day it's maybe busier. So when we're connecting to alignment, it's about connecting to what you were here to do, what you're born to be, who you're born to be, the person you're here to live Full body chills. Yeah, not what someone told you to be or expected you to be, or society thinks you should be, but it's about who you are born to be and that doesn't mean it has to be some big grand thing. Some people are born to bring their light and energy as they check out your supermarket shop at Tesco's, and that's such a beautiful thing. Again, it's not about placing people higher or lower. It's just about connecting to what you were here to be and to trust that.
Speaker 2:And what happens is that when we're so busy, we're not giving that really quiet, gentle voice a chance chance and we're listening to that loud voice which is the subconscious, the condition it well, you know, it's, obviously, it's there, it's um, it's, it's loud, it's obnoxious, um it. It tells you to do something and then, if you do it and it turns out wrong, it tells you, like, why did you do that, you idiot? You know it's all of those things, it's the ego mind. But if we, even if we just take a few moments of our day to just tune into that quiet, softer voice, knowing that it's a practice, and the more we do it, the more we'll get to hear it then we can come into that intuition, we can come into um alignment, and then I know we mentioned, like previously, about boundaries then we can come into boundaries and practice boundaries, but coming from a place of, again, trust and discernment, that it's important to have those boundaries in order for you to live the life you were born to live. It's not coming from ego, it's coming from like I need to set these boundaries because this is my path, this is my destiny, this is what I'm here to do. It's not about you, it's not even about me, it's about this co-creation and that's why they're there. So, yeah, that's when we really give ourself a chance to really live aligned.
Speaker 2:And I think in business, what can happen is there can be so much scarcity. You know, if you've grown a big business, you can fear, fear losing it and there can be fear of well, I need to continue with this level of energy and just this level of do, do, do, do, do energy, because this is what created it and this is what I need to keep doing to maintain it. And if we're coming from that, that scarcity, so you're either coming from two thoughts You're coming from love or you're coming from fear, and love is the only thing. That's the truth, and the fear is the conditioning. So if we're coming from that fear, we know it's conditioning, it's not based on truth.
Speaker 2:If we can understand that there's this place where we can come from love, and that's joy, it's abundance, it's it's love, is peace, is bliss, um. And then that's not to say that we can't have the voice that warns us. We need that too. You know, we even speak in kundalini about having the negative mind. It's important, it's the yin and the yang. Right, when you think of the yin and yang symbol, everything has a positive and negative charge. We live on a polarity planet, so there's always going to be both, both at play. There's negatives in the positive, there's positives in the negative, and so we need that voice as well. But when we get to understand, like, learn about ourselves and trust ourselves and then trust that voice, we can discern this is coming from a place of um.
Speaker 2:I've been in this position before in business. I'm learning these lessons. It feels right that I need to change this. This is, this isn't going to work, versus I don't think I should do that. Like actually. Like what? If I do that, oh my god, it's all going to go to itself. I definitely can't do that. You know very different energy, both guiding you to not do something. So it's not saying we're not listening to those voices, but we're coming to a place with practice where we get to know which voice to trust and we can live from that place.
Speaker 1:And then it is just this, like unconditional trust and faith in ourselves, as with co-creating powerful, powerful, wow, yeah, I think this has been like my biggest life journey is learning to listen to my inner voice because, as a model, I'd be judging what I look like, so my whole life was like outside of myself. And then I joined network marketing and I was like, oh my gosh, I feel so seen, and also it can come with conditioning when there's a group of people who think the same way. So I feel like throughout my network marketing journey, a big piece for me was coming into my own sovereignty and it was a perfect environment for me to really feel supported and have the free will to be able to connect to my truth, because I know when I started to really share more about my spirituality side, it felt really edgy to lean into an environment that you know it wasn't the norm, and so that was the start of me really breaking free and then, yeah, really stepping out and learning to listen to that voice. I think has been it's it's the most powerful thing.
Speaker 1:And and even now I'm constantly learning and messing up and facing challenges and whenever I, whenever I feel there's like this panic, like you know, someone on social media says you need to do this thing right now. You. You need to buy this product, otherwise you know you're never going to be able to get it at this price. You know, I tap into myself and go okay, is this coming from love or fear? And if it feels like it's this, like anxious oh my god, I need to do it now then it's the ego. But if it's love, I'm like do you know what? If it's meant to be, it'll be here a week from now. I'm gonna wait until it feels clear. And sometimes I mean I'd love for you to speak, speak about this piece is.
Speaker 2:You know, as a high achiever myself, there's a piece of me that can feel like going faster is quicker and going slower is going backwards yeah, yeah, and also I think there's, I think, think that the narrative in in what you're saying is that listening to your quiet voice is slower, yeah, but it doesn't have to be. I'm a believer that business does, is, is is benefited through momentum. So when I speak about being still, it's not about stopping, it's just being still long enough to listen to the voice, and then you're taking action based on the intuition rather than the conditioning of someone else's. This is what you should do and we're bringing in both. Obviously, you want to bring in wisdom from other people, but it's not about you don't have to go slower, but it's also learning about you. You know like I'm someone who does have a lot of energy, um, within me, so I can keep going, um, but not everybody does, and so you've got to understand that about yourself so you can work based on your capacity.
Speaker 2:But momentum and excitement and energy and giddiness is great for business. So it's not about, say, taking that out. You're not taking that out by by slow, by stopping and taking a moment. You're adding to it, but what it allows you to do is work smarter rather than harder, because you're working from a place of what you know, what maybe you think you should be doing, based on what people have been doing for the last 20 years, or whatever you're doing, what feels right to you, so it's coming from you, and that co-creation, and there's that mantra as well, that's that feeling that if it doesn't go right, then that's exactly how it was supposed to go anyway, because it's leading me on to the thing that is right, or it's the lesson that was needed in order to something else to be revealed. You know, so it's again. It's that unconditional trust, unconditional faith that it's all good absolutely yeah, when you were speaking there about understanding self.
Speaker 1:It's, it's all about understanding self and you know, I feel like the soul came here to experience the, the different polarities of that right. So I used to shame the fact that I like to work hard and I thought, oh, I'm hustling, there's something wrong with me. Is this why I feel exhausted, when actually I only felt exhausted because I was holding on to the outcome. I was attached to the outcome but, like you, I also have a lot of energy, I love working and I love working hard. But then I swung the other way and went into this almost distorted feminine of you've got to have it easy and, like you know, just be flowy. And you know I tried that for a while, which was again the perfect experience for my soul to go right.
Speaker 1:I'm doing it this other way and I'm feeling frustrated now because I'm like, can I not do it? Like I just felt this urge to create and take action and like be messy, and so now I feel like I've got this beautiful center point of owning the fact that I love to work and I love to hustle, I love to give my energy to everything, and there's also this detachment and deep trust that actually, no matter what I do, it's already done anyway. But how does my 10 bodies, how does my system feel the best? And I do feel the best when I'm taking action and I'm using my energy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and honestly, you know. Thank you so much for sharing all that, by the way. But yeah, and honestly, I think for me, exhaustion, I believe, comes from not being aligned. So that's where the exhaustion comes from, especially for you. Like you mentioned, you have lots of energy. So if you're aligned to something and if it feels good and you feel like like wow, this is amazing, this is exactly like, just feels like, this is the thing For me, then it's very unlikely you will get exhausted. The exhaustion tends to come because you're doing things that you don't want to do, you don't energetically. It's not aligned. You're doing things that maybe you feel like you should be doing in order to get the results that you want, but it's not in alignment. It's like it could just be one degree just off and it just like sits funny, it's just not quite sitting and that, like over a continuous amount of time, leads to exhaustion. So if you're fully aligned and you're full, right, it's important to go on.
Speaker 1:Sorry, yeah, that's why it's important there was a. There was a delay in the time, all right I'll cut that bit out.
Speaker 2:Oh good, that is, that is important. And then you know, like you said, then you explode the polarity to that and I've done that over my life. I always think of it as like a pendulum, and if you're experiencing one end of the pendulum, sometimes you have to swing it all the other way to then find that neutral point that sits just beautifully. Like for me in network marketing. I had people saying to me mel, you know, you're very direct and, um, yeah, you know, you can upset people when you speak like that, you know, and I'd get that kind of feedback. So, obviously, being someone who just doesn't want to, I didn't want to upset people. I want, I want to be thought of as kind and considerate and you know, very like, please, like me energy as well.
Speaker 2:So I swung the pendulum to the point where I really wasn't myself and I held back. I pulled myself back, I pulled myself out of certain situations. I was afraid to speak up in case I upset somebody. I'd question everything I did say and I explored that and I was like hell. No, honestly, I am born to be this person and, yes, I need to learn. I need to learn to take a beat before I speak. I need to learn to be play in this earth that I'm on and in the UK, which is not is, is not part of our culture. To speak direct, our culture is very passive, aggressive, very you. Very generally speaking, I'd probably fit in in like Southern Italy, you know, but in the UK it's not part of our culture as well.
Speaker 2:So I did have to learn, but just by finding the edge, by swinging the pendulum the other way, I realized that's not it either, and it sounds to me like that's what you did. You know, you thought right, right, I see I'm getting this feedback. I'm seeing other people, maybe on socials, who are doing this feminine energy and maybe you're like experiencing, like, oh, that's what it, that's what it now is to be spiritual. So I'm going to do that. You know, like at one point everyone was buying crystals because now I'm spiritual because I'm wearing crystals and I'm wearing a floaty skirt, and now, yes, we've all got crystals. Of course we have, but we're showing up just whatever. You know, we're not having to look a certain way to be seen as as that, and so maybe that's what happened.
Speaker 2:You swung that way to explore there and then by doing that, you've actually found that middle ground that's going to work for you, because you're both. You know you are all encompassing, you are like, you know you're obviously everything that you, you've done and created in your life shows leads me to know that you are this beautiful, powerful essence that is here to be seen in the world, and so that doesn't come with just one facet. When you're that kind of person, you don't have one facet, or two facets or three. You multi-faceted, you know, multi-passionate, multi-dimensional, multi-orgasmic, multiple orgasmic. Yes, let's throw a few orgasms in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no limitations, exactly, yeah wow, all the multiples yeah, I feel like this episode has been so full of expansion like I'm sure people are thinking, wow, like I never knew I had 10 bodies and four minds. And also to just give permission that it's okay to have the human experience. And one of the most powerful things that we can do in today's world is to understand self, which means we have to be with self, sitting in stillness with self, and it doesn't need to be a 50 minute meditation with your legs crossed, because I think that is what puts a lot of high achievers off. You know, especially your, you know your gifts is bringing the spiritual into the tangible and the practical. So can you share with the listeners as we wrap up your mission and what you've created to support people, to understand and connect with that soul self?
Speaker 2:Yeah, sure, like you say I think you said it beautifully I need to take a sound bite of that, kim. But yeah, that's that's my passion to take a sound bite of that, kim. But yeah, that's that's my passion. That's based on my experiences. I think we we coach and we lead and we teach better if we've experienced it. And that's why, even if you're struggling with something right now, but you're teaching it, know that you're going to be the most wonderful teacher and coach to someone else one day, because you've experienced something and that's important. Um, so, yeah.
Speaker 2:So for me, it is about helping people with meditation, because of the benefits are just like, unlike anything else. They're just so powerful and three minutes a day can create amazing results as well. So I did create a meditation library and it's full of three to five minute meditations and I had it, you know, in mind with that ambitious person but is also heart led. They're a visionary, they're a leader, they're creative, they're all of those things and and and, of course, busy, and perhaps, you know, they're a mom, they're a daughter, they're a sister, they're a wife, they're all these other things as well. So even in the library, there's like six collections, and one of them is about more in in tune with business. So, for example, there's a three minute meditation before you get on a client call. Or maybe before you get on a sales slash discovery call with a potential client, because, again, you know when we're coming from that connection, rather than like the ego. What I want, I want you to be one of my paying clients versus are we a good, are we a good mix? Is this good for us two to work together? Is this going to be beneficial for you? Is this going to be feel good for me? So, and there's um evening meditations as well. Nighttime meditations, again all three to five minutes long.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's my passion project that I started just this year, actually just to bring it to as many people as possible. And then, obviously, I do coach people one to one, but I keep it quite limited. It's not I don't do a lot of that, but if it's the right person and it feels right, then it's something that I really, really enjoy doing and that can be anything from getting clarity on a purpose and mission and and and leading them through that and to that, or it can just be helping someone relax and let go and just find that sweet spot and that bliss. But, yeah, those are the two things that are really that I get passionate about. I also teach Kundalini yoga at the studio that I co-own as well, and I do Gongbass, so that's based up in Leeds, if you're in this area. So a mixture, really, online and in person, and I like that. I like the mixture of the two.
Speaker 2:But that's my passion really is for people who are just so busy, it's just to encourage them, even just three minutes a day, just to spend that time going inwards and and allowing it to become a practice so they can reap so many benefits, so they live based on the person that we're here to be, rather than that conditioning and, like you mentioned earlier, there's so much noise out there discernment is the most important thing, more than ever.
Speaker 2:You know, the biggest, um, the biggest commodity now is your attention. Like you said, you saw something like do I need this? Shall I buy this? I'm, I know now I need to just wait, take a beat. So that's the biggest commodity in the world right now is your attention. But if you can have that discernment, you can have that peace to know what feels good and what feels right and what feels true for you. It enables you to cut out that and pass that on to generations and to the people that you're surrounded by as well. So, yeah, that's my passion for people to live pure, as pure as we can in this world.
Speaker 1:Passing on the peace.
Speaker 2:Passing on the peace.
Speaker 1:Melodyne, thank you. I'm so grateful that when our souls were up in the ethers, that we signed contracts to do life together and be in each other's worlds and I know we don't see each other in person all of the time, yet when we connect it just feels like home. So I'm grateful, so so grateful for you, for your directness, for your devotion to this path and to being of service, to really spread the magic of meditation and help people come home and feel, feel peace, experience peace, which is priceless. So thank you and I'll make sure we put all the links in the show notes. But where can common people, where can people come and follow you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they can pop to my website, oldschoolmelaniejdeancom and then Instagram Melanie J Dean, and on YouTube. I'm Melanie Dean on YouTube, but if you just type in Melanie Dean Kundalini, I reckon I'll, I'll, I'll come up. I should be at the top there. Amazing, it can take a long time to get the top of the youtube, but if you make it melanie dean, kundalini meditations I'm sure I'm sure I'll be at the top of that one, surely? Um, but yeah, you can find me any of those places and reach out. You know, um, I, I'm, I'm there. I'm the person that replies to instagrams and emails. So I'm a real person and so I love it when people reach out and connect, and no such thing as a silly question and um, yeah, it'd be lovely to hear from anyone who wants to reach out about anything.
Speaker 1:Really lovely amazing and just before we sign off, I ask a question to all the guests that come on, because obviously this is a soul digger podcast. If you were to describe what a soul digger is in one sentence, what would it be?
Speaker 2:I guess, based on everything we've said, it's that digging out the crap that doesn't serve you, so you can connect to the soul, the person you were here and born to be.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you, Melodyody, I love you so much. I love you, darling, take care.