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Creator Spotlight: Bay Doxey

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We sit down with Bay Doxey, voice of Meme in "My Deer Friend Nokotan," for a candid conversation about her journey from theater kid to professional voice actress and the challenges of finding her authentic self along the way.

• Starting in theater at age 9 before transitioning to voice acting at 14 by recording in her closet with a phone app
• Learning that voice acting and theater acting require completely different techniques and approaches
• Finding freedom in voice acting where physical appearance doesn't limit character possibilities
• Navigating the industry as one of the youngest voice actors to debut in anime
• The importance of taking acting classes and finding creative anchors rather than focusing on equipment
• Using improv as a powerful tool that applies to both theater and voice acting
• Balancing emotional boundaries when portraying intense character experiences
• The journey of discovering where you truly belong professionally and personally
• Embracing all parts of yourself to become a stronger performer
• Advice for aspiring voice actors: "Go slow and enjoy the process, because the process is the best part"

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Speaker 3:

This is the Wait For it Podcast. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Wait For it Podcast. I'm your co-host, phil Barrera, aka Phil the Filipino.

Speaker 1:

And I'm your other co-host, mr Eric Almighty, and I guess we'll just pick up where we left off on the last episode, where we had one of our dear friends on Phil. We're trying to collect the Infinity Stones of this cast and we're three-fourths of the way, but please do not ask our guest any Infinity Stone questions. Don't do that again.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, that's right. Rue got a little flustered by that question. I do apologize for that. But yeah, soon we'll be able to snap our fingers and the whole cast will just be here to hang out with us and we'll go do fun things. So I think that's what happens when we collect all the Dear Friend Nocaton Infinity Stones, but super excited to continue to have this wonderful cast that we've had on and that we met earlier this year, this wonderful cast that we've had on and that we met earlier this year. And you know, here we are in August and now, you know, having another person that we've just had so much fun getting to know and work with. So, please, everybody, welcome in Bae Doxie, from my Dear Friend Nogaton, amongst many other things. So, bae, thank you so much for being here tonight. And how are you doing?

Speaker 4:

I'm doing so well. Hello, I'm so happy to be here because I loved being with y'all and meeting y'all and getting to do our panels together, and we also have great photo ops all the time, so I get really we're killing it.

Speaker 3:

Man cory makes us look good shout out to cory, who we've, uh, one of our, one of our patrons and, of course, photographer extraordinaire. But, yeah, super excited to have this conversation here with you today. I mean, we were already chopping it up for a half hour before this so you guys missed out on that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we didn't do great on a New York Times game so that was a little rough, but that is okay. But, Bae, before we get started, if you want to just take a moment to introduce yourself and what you do, Hi, my name is Bae Doxie.

Speaker 4:

I'm a professional voice actress, singer and rapper and I well, I voice act, I do a lot, I write. I'm a poet. You will best know me as Mae Mae, bash Mae and my dear, my dear friend nokatan, as well as some other fun things. Uh, recently I got recognized for a character I play in a fangin rampa like a really popular fangin rampa at at con last time, and I played kazumi iketsuchi in the izuko izuko joke, go Isuko Joke, isuju Massacre. And that's me. And I also play Annie Posey in Neon Ignition, a very, very, very fun audio drama.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's been so great to get to know you and, like you said, our panels are always so much fun. And uh, yeah, eric, I expect that exact same energy here, so we have been very excited for this episode yeah, we have, and I mean it's been long overdue just getting everybody on and scheduling it all out.

Speaker 1:

we knew we wanted to get you guys. After we met you at the beginning of the year at brick uh, and then recently here at bold, getting halfway, we knew we had to restart those talks. So we just really appreciate you jumping on board to talk to us and Phil, we're going to have a ton of fun on this one.

Speaker 4:

Yes, I'm so excited to be here. As soon as I met y'all, I was like, oh, we have so much to chat up about, especially because y'all are theater people too chat up about, especially because y'all are theater people too. And I was raised in the theater and I learned how to act really through my theater training, so that's, that's like my lifeblood. So I'm like, yeah, I run into that all the time. I'm like we do love.

Speaker 2:

I don't have.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah, I do I like be recording something. I'll be be like oh okay, I got to do that again, Okay.

Speaker 3:

That's definitely Definitely got to edit that out or just restart that.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, usually I'm like fuck, and then I'm like, okay, I'll do it. I'll step a little bit.

Speaker 1:

Phil will get really mad when I start singing stuff, some type of tune like any song that's stuck in my head, and then it will get stuck in my head. It's a brain worm.

Speaker 3:

I also yeah, I also have my brother-in-law also always has a tune going on, no matter what, so I also get stuff stuck in my head that way too. But you kind of already alluded to it already. We would love to hear about your background. You know about your theater background, but also what led you to voice acting, to voiceover, and did you know that this was even an alley you could pursue based on you know, when you started off in theater?

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so I my first ever show I was in as nine years old and it was really cute it was. It was an elementary school, but it was like a. It's called Beauty and the no, not Beauty and the Beast. That's what it's trying to be like. Oh, what was it? It was something, but not that. It was like beauty is a beast, beauty is a beast and I played Beauty and that was like my first ever show.

Speaker 4:

But my mom is a theater actress, so I grew up being with her and we started going back to theater, goodness, when I was about 10, 10 to 11 to 12. And then when I was 12, 13, I started touring with a children's theater group and we would go to with my director that I always worked with, tammy Barton, and so I would work with them and so I was just on. For like the whole part of my childhood I was just on stage. I'm a child actor but I was in. I was always known for like doing really elaborate voices and really big, like accent changes and dialects and stuff, and most of the other kids I was acting with or adults or anything, they didn't have as well of like diction as I do and their articulation and I've always been known for that and I don't even notice it either. I just went to an audition, my first audition since goodness, like almost a year ago, a little bit over a year ago, and I was just, I just don't think of my voice because it's my job. Like I'm like, oh, I'm not aware of it unless I'm listening back to something. Be like, okay, I could change it this way. But I was at the audition and it was amazing. I had so much fun. But I remember like when I was leaving, everybody was like your voice is so pretty. Oh, my gosh, I love your voice. Like, you have such good diction. And I'm like, okay, I'm like thanks. I was like, what about my acting? But I do appreciate liking my voice because I just I'm so desensitized to it, because I'm like, but I talk every day, that's my job. So, but I'm happy, people like it.

Speaker 4:

I used to always be told I sound like a dis princess, and so I literally I would, I'd sing, I'd do anything, I play a villain, and people be like no, you're a Disney princess. I was like, okay, I'll do that. I hope so. Pixar called me. But yeah, so I was with Tammy and all this and we worked with a lot of other actors and one of them his name is gary forge and I love him. I love gary. Uh, the first thing I ever saw him in was, uh, oklahoma and he was judd and oh, incredible. But he did audiobooks and he was like bae, do you know about voice acting? Like maybe you should try something.

Speaker 4:

So I actually started voice acting, uh, when I was 14, and I did it remote. I did it in that little closet in there. I have my big studio now that's like out but my little home closet of like sat on the floor, had my little recording app on my phone and I learned that way and I learned that voice acting and theater acting are completely different, and so I didn't know that when I was starting. So I'd listen back to, I was talking to Josh, I was listening back to some of my old auditions and I'm like, oh, this is so dramatic. I'm like, bring it back, please, please. But I'm like, I've like, but listening to, like my younger self, I'm like, oh, you have such a love for acting Like that makes me so happy that even when you were that young, it was like you still had so much to give to learn how to act and be an actress and perform and bring all these characters stories to life.

Speaker 4:

And so when I learned that I could do it, I could play any character based off. It didn't have to be if I was a specific like body type or I had specific hair or I was even like green or something you know, like I could be. I could be any type of character and I didn't have to fit specific specs theater wise but my voice could be that. And that was something really important to me that it was taken off my body and put into my voice, which I felt I could portray a lot more than, uh, because I had control over it. More so of like, okay, this is something I can control right here and right now, and I can learn to do all these different types of things.

Speaker 4:

And so, yeah, so I transitioned that way and I've been voice acting since I was 14 and I'm 22. So I'm also one of the youngest voice actors to debut in anime too, because I'm the youngest in the cast and a lot of people always are like you're that, and I'm like, yeah, I've just been here a long time. People are like oh yeah, like like you guys probably thought I was older too and like people are like either like 24 or 27 around there and I'm like no, I turned 22 this year. But since I've always acted with the like older actors when I was younger, I just felt older. So I was like but yeah, I yap. That was a little yap session. This is a podcast, so I guess I am allowed to yap.

Speaker 3:

Yes, if anywhere, anywhere. If there's any place to do it, it's actually like highly encouraged.

Speaker 1:

Actually it's kind of yeah, yeah I do like yapping

Speaker 3:

yeah, it's funny. You told that story about like people complimenting like your presence and your and your diction and thought and stuff like that. I did stand-up comedy for over 10 years. I still do it from time to time, but I remember I was at like a small show, just kind of like down at the Jack's beach and at a bar or something like that, and somebody came out and they were complimenting some of my, my friends that were down there like oh, you were so good, so funny. And they came up to me and they like thank you, it's not what I was going for.

Speaker 4:

But I appreciate. Thank you, I appreciate it. You can check that off your bingo card.

Speaker 3:

So uh, but then, on the the other side of things, like years, years later, once I've like started to kind of like get into my flow and perfecting my craft, somebody came up and told and gave me like the best compliment ever, which was like my timing was perfect, and I was like that is the best compliment I, like a comic, could receive, of course aside from, you know, the material being good, but I was like I work so hard on that. So, would you know, even though those compliments are like not directly tied to what you're doing, it's like that's. It's still very valuable to hear that feedback.

Speaker 4:

I love that too, especially with comedic timing, because when I was in theater, that was what I was known for, was my comedic timing, because I was always the comic, I was always the comedy side of the whole show. That's what I was, and it's because I'm so quick and so people are like whoa. So I love that, though, but I feel like I've lost kind of my comedic timing a little bit because I haven't been in shows in so long. Yeah, so I just took a break.

Speaker 3:

It is a stage presence thing, for sure, like it helps when you have someone to play off of or if there is an audience there. So yeah, trying to learn that too, like very early on in my journey has been like, okay, how do I, how do I do this to make it sound believable and it's not like flat?

Speaker 1:

so yeah, I feel you on that for sure yeah, and phil and phil's obviously going out, branching out, trying something like completely different and doing that and trying to develop habits and learn something for you. I don't want to say it's like natural at this point because you've been doing it for so long of your life, but I am very interested, bay, like what is your perspective of being so young in the industry with the experience you've gained so far? Like, what is that vision of the voice actor industry been? Because, phil, I feel like we've talked a lot to people who are in their thirties, their forties, who have either been doing it for a long time or are new to the industry. And, bea, I think you bring just such an interesting perspective because you mentioned again one of the youngest to do it you know, for an anime too. So, like what is your perspective, like from child actor to young voice actor, of just the entertainment industry and specifically in voice acting, now that you're in it?

Speaker 4:

just the entertainment industry and specifically in voice acting, now that you're in it.

Speaker 4:

So usually, kind of sometimes it'd be like they don't know how old you are at first and you're like oh yeah, like.

Speaker 4:

But when you're younger, people just assume that either you had to do something to get there, you didn't deserve your place there, or you had to work your way. So usually if I'm in a room and people know how young I am, they'll already assume that I, like, don't have as much experience as somebody who's a little older. But they don't realize that I've been a professional actor for 10 years. So and especially on stage too, because that's a whole nother ballpark of being with people, live, doing things and having all of those energies and stuff. So you have to really earn your place if you're in a certain place, because people will they'll either look down on you or they'll be like you. How did you get here? Like, in question a lot of it, like and question a lot of it. But if you find your right people and you feel safe and you know that you're supported, more so than somebody's trying to knock you down, then you're like okay, I feel happy, I'm proud of myself for being here. I don't feel like I'm taking up space where I don't belong. I have made a name for myself. I do belong here. I've worked to be here and I will continue to work to be here, but it is, it is a constant.

Speaker 4:

I try I kind of don't think about it anymore. I've always had a lot of trouble because I've been around so many old, so many old people, so many different ages of actors. I actually have a lot of problems with remembering how old I am, and so recently this year I've actually been like hey, I feel 22. I feel like a young adult. I feel like I belong, like in this body of like who I am and how I'm feeling, and so that has helped me a lot with my acting career right now is of I can sit back, like my back's been killing me. I've been carrying a lot of stuff like like mentally to being like trying to to work a holic your way out of it, being like well, if I do this many auditions, if I do this, then people will think that I deserve to be here. Auditions. If I do this, then people will think that I deserve to be here and instead of making people think it's that, no, I do and I have that energy and that's what that's. That's how I've thought about it.

Speaker 4:

But the I think the perspective, especially of voice actors and in the industry, it just depends on who you're with, who you're, if you're remote, like all of it, and your age too, of like, okay, like you're different arcs, but but yeah, that's a good question, because a lot of people it's like they, unless they're that, like you know, a lot of people have different experiences because of who they are, but this, the younger experience, especially like that of being a child actor too, now, like the whole landscape of it, landscape of it is like whoa, I did that yeah, yeah, no, I think that's a great way to put it and I I love the, the whole thing of like getting to uh, really expose that, like when you're comfortable with people, like we could tell you had that very young at heart nature already.

Speaker 1:

Little did we know you were young, right, like we didn't think you were as old as everybody else that we've met, like we meet, phil, all the time, veteran voice actors that have been doing it for 40 years. You didn't give off that vibe, but you also didn't give off the vibe of someone who is new at it, inexperienced and out of their element, which I think was really great. Because talking to you, rue, donald, josh, like there wasn't a oh, I wonder what the age difference is. You all very much had a very like safe haven vibe where you were comfortable with yourselves, with each other, and it was just such an inviting experience that we just never thought to think like, oh, I wonder who the youngest of the group is. I wonder what the dynamics are. And, phil, we've talked to a lot of voice actors about some of the stigmas. We kind of learned a new one here, especially for those that are younger in the industry, which I guess shouldn't be surprising.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's a really good point because it's been great doing this with all of you that we've met from the cast, because when we met you we kind of looked at you as a group and you very much are and you guys work so well together and the energy is so fantastic and seeing you interact with people at conventions is honestly really great to see. But then now getting to know each of you individually and getting to know your stories has been really really fun as well. What would you say to somebody who is starting out now? So Rue had like a very similar story. She had a laptop and she put a blanket over her head and she recorded from there.

Speaker 3:

And when I started doing classes here in the last couple of months like getting introduced and meeting y'all to how many remote voice actors there are right now and it is an incredible community and I've met so many cool people what would you say to those people that are that don't have the ability to, you know, put together a quick studio or don't necessarily have the recommended equipment? Quote, unquote like what do you say to those people that come up to you and ask like hey, how can I become a remote voice actor and get started there?

Speaker 4:

uh, that gave me little chills. That's the thing, too is just start take acting classes, even if they're in person, because especially getting to act with someone in person will help you so much being a remote actor, because you're like oh, but I feel this presence. I can, I can pull from this experience to have this presence, build up your confidence, learn about what characters you want to play, especially from your favorite like media. I always say, like, watch a specific anime, that like is always on your mind. Like, for me, it's Nana and my Nana tattoo.

Speaker 4:

I've watched Nana 13 times, and when I was watching anime, even when I was younger, I would always do the voices, I would just always follow along, and I especially the fairy tale too. That's how I was I. I would always do the voices, I would. I would just always follow along, and I especially with fairy tale too. That's how I was. I love fairy tale, but especially with that is you find a like anchor and you're like okay, this is my creative anchor, this feeling that I get when I watch this or I play this game or I experience even an actor that I love. If I can tether myself to that and go out of that, and that's kind of like a safe place to go back to and it's also a way to gather like energy from that Be like oh, but if you're especially with keeping yourself safe, acting wise, if you're new to acting, you can go plunge way too deep and you're going to be almost you could be traumatized, you could get so far and then sometimes you can't work for weeks, like if you sometimes like for me, I'm experiencing my new limits emotionally and figuring out what I can and can't play anymore and I realized that I don't want to play those super intense roles because they take me. It's harder for me to like emotionally handle that. That's like past my limit if I don't want to do something like that. That that's like past my limit if I don't want to do something like that. And so whenever and like I did a role for that, like I and uh for a specific project and I even helped like create the character too, I was brought in to do like character design and uh, to flesh her out and I was like I'm I can't, I can't do this, like like having that extreme emotional experience of a traumatized character, especially with people that are starting, and it gets to a traumatized character. Don't focus on the specific trauma, don't focus on getting so sucked into it, because that can go into like method acting and things like that. It's more so I know I'm jumping all over the place, but it's more so having something creative that you love and you can take that from.

Speaker 4:

And you don't have to have a mic right away. You don't have to build your booth. You have to learn to act and you have to learn what you love about acting, what you don't like about acting. Hey, if I was a voice actor and I had to do the sometimes. Sometimes being a voice actor, you don't get to do everything you want, uh and love as part of the job.

Speaker 4:

Usually the stuff that you don't want to do is where the money is, so it's like okay, well, I have to do that. And especially when you get into that point, it's like have one creative project that either you started or like that. That's something that, like a character that you play, that's like can bring you joy. As long as you find things in the, in the industry and and characters that spark joy for you, that make you want to learn, that make you want to jump into it, then you're fine. It's just like it's it's safety, it's learning about acting, learning about what type of acting you like, learn about what characters you want to play. But you don't have to rush, you can take your time. And I think, with acting too, especially people are like I gotta get that next audition in, I gotta do this, I gotta do this, I gotta do this. Just go slow and enjoy the process, because the process is the best part.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, for sure, and I shared a story with you of a very important lesson I've already learned within the first few months and you know that helped. That will definitely help me going forward. And also, like you said you know this is an answer we always get Take that acting class. I've only taken a couple acting classes. We're very lucky to have a studio here in Jacksonville that does courses and, honestly, if I hadn't taken that class first, I don't think I'd have been able to do this even a tad bit successfully that I've been able to do so far. So taking that class was incredible and they taught the is it Meisner? That's that's, yeah, that is the um, the style that they teach there, and I was like is this really going to help me with voice out, voiceover and it 100 has? I was like man, I really thought that this might have been something. That was like well, maybe I need to take a different acting class, but I was like, no, this really really helped. So I know Megan also is a big fan of Meisner as well.

Speaker 4:

I'm Chekhov.

Speaker 3:

Okay, the.

Speaker 4:

Chekhovian technique is my favorite Meisner makes me think too much, I get obsessed with it.

Speaker 3:

It's very stressful in the like in the what was it? The things that we'd like?

Speaker 4:

exercises we were doing, like just a repetition yeah, and then you're like I don't like repetition, and I don't want to say that, and then you're like, but the repetition is to get you out of your head so that you can just be the character and you're like and you're not thinking, oh, and I need to go do the groceries.

Speaker 3:

Go do the grocery, yeah yeah, yeah, those are all cool. Those sound, those sound, these like.

Speaker 2:

New. York Go do the grocery.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah. Those are all cool. Those sound, those sound. Are these like New York times games? What are you guys sitting out?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 3:

If Meisner was on the connections board today, we would have done very well.

Speaker 4:

Playwright was there, but Meisner and Chekhov wasn't there. I'm right back on par with you guys that's good but yeah, that's the thing too, especially learning to act. What style do you like? What Stanislavski, chekhov, stella Adler, like you know like, and Meisner, stanford Meisner? So it's like, okay, there's so many different flavors, what do I want to taste? I bet the buffet of acting. What do I want to taste? I also learned too.

Speaker 3:

So, having you here, what do I want to taste? I bet the buffet of acting. What do I want to taste? I also learned too, so having you here, to have both perspectives. Like the voiceover, slash voice acting kind of like archetype or personality is totally different from the theater actor, slash on-screen actor. Not to like pit them against each other, but like, is there one you feel more comfortable in? Or like, do you, do you like naturally go back to the theater days and you know, just kind of fit into into that group or like I don't know, just do you feel you know more comfortable in one over the other?

Speaker 4:

so when I was, because I was studying at columbus state university for, uh, my BFA in theater and I did Meisner, and I was like, hmm, I like Chekhov I'm going to go back to that but when I was there I was with my whole family maybe my found family and the whole theater department. It's like Columbus in Georgia, it is the theater department. It's where the thespianian, the Georgia thespians, and like Georgia thespian, but the big thespian festivals, everything they're held their conference, and so the whole community of Columbus, georgia is acting theater. You're all there. It's, it's the air. Sleep, eat, sleep, breathe, theater, because you have to. Uh and it for them. I was like, okay, yeah, I mean, this is just like who I am. But it wasn't who I am, because when I was around them, I was.

Speaker 4:

I ended up masking a lot as a survival mechanism there, because when you're in theater and you're around all of these people that are doing the same auditions as you, they're going to take a look at you all the time and be like, okay, this is imperfect, I can get you on this and this next audition. Okay, this is this and this and this and this and this. And then if I see you in in a rehearsal and you're doing something like they're always. It's. It's the part of theater, especially in college theater, that the insecurities of everyone because of course everyone has them. We're theater actors, we're on stage like we're put out to. Sometimes, you know, we have to be vulnerable and have our insecurities shown and that's how. That's how you really relate to even the other people that are with you acting. And I thought, before I left Columbus, I was like yeah, I'm just, I'm just theater actor, that's just what I am. Even when I was doing voiceover at school, because I had like my own, like little basically pop up booth, I did whatever I could.

Speaker 4:

When I was there it was like okay, well, I'm feeling a tug to be like I don't think I fit in here, like at this, I don't think I fit in with this. I feel like something's missing. I feel like I feel like and to go in and work on a lot of things in my past because I was like I want a chance to actually enjoy acting again. I don't want to get sucked into it. I want to know who I am other than being an actress. My whole life I've just been an actress and I was like who is Bae? Who is she other than the actor? What's behind the mask?

Speaker 4:

And so I got out of that and like a month later, I booked Nokoton and I thought I was never going to act. I thought I was never going to voice act again. I thought I was like I went there and I was like I guess I'll just go back to theater acting if I feel like it. But then I was like I came home, I came to live at home and for a little while till I get my, just to feel my roots again, and I was like I feel different. Now, voice acting this time, I feel like something's different. And I, just when I booked May, may, I realized I was like I never thought I was going to voice act again.

Speaker 4:

And so now that I've been in the community and I'm back at it and in the world of it, I'm like I fit in here much more, much more. And this is the part of me that I was, I was yearning for back at school. I was like this there's some part of me that's still there, um, but even with voice acting too, it's like I also I sing and I rap and I um, I write music and things, uh, and so I. I really am fit in there. It's like you jump around, but now I feel much more disconnected from the theater part of me, and that's okay, because I'm like I want to learn about new theater. Part of me I want to know what that is, but I like I feel safe in my bubble over here. So, yeah, I hop For sure.

Speaker 3:

Thank you so much for sharing all that. Yeah, that is. Uh, I love that answer. I have a very kind of similar relationship with stand-up comedy. I love stand-up comedy.

Speaker 3:

I will still do it if somebody calls, uh, calls upon me to do so, but it was not my community. Um, it was definitely not a space that I felt would be healthy or conducive to like me as a person as well. Um, and you know, I had to remove myself from that and and I say unfortunately it took over 10 not a space that I felt would be healthy or conducive to like me as a person as well. And you know, I had to remove myself from that and and I say unfortunately, it took over 10 years to like, finally realize that. But, like, that also is very helpful for not only voice acting but also podcasting. It has been incredibly helpful and, like with Eric and I doing doing so many interviews and doing the Q andA panels, it has been an essential skill to have for doing this. So, yeah, we both have those things professionally that have led us to where we are now and have helped immensely in what we're currently pursuing.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think, as you kind of like expand your skills, like it's just interesting to see, like where they lead you. But I am curious, bay, like with voice acting and with theater, we did a kind of a compare and contrast and pit them against each other and like what the differences in those experiences are, kind of merging them together. For this question what is a skill or an ability that apply to both, that you find is a strength for you? If you were to find one that fits both areas that you consider to be a strength, what would that be? Improv. There we go.

Speaker 4:

It is the most helpful. It gets you out of your head. You get to learn about your character. I actually just I was telling Phil I had just done the Improvolog workshop with Julie Mandalina I think it's either Mandalina or Mandalini. She's amazing, I love her. I'm sorry I can't say her last name right, but she was incredible and she taught just the most amazing technique and with her I actually was like wait, but these are my skills from theater, I can bring them back.

Speaker 4:

And with improv you just have so much more life and color of your experience through this character, because you're bringing in your words that you see from this character. When you look at this character, what this you can add, what you see and what you hear. First, like usually I say like in the technique as you read the first, you do a cold read. You always do a cold read because you want to know what you naturally will sound like when you're reading, something, like when you what you're going to add and then what you naturally will sound like when you're reading something like when you what you're gonna add and then what you can take away and add. But with the improv vlog it's just like so cool because you do that. And then you're like hmm, talk to me about what kind of character your character is.

Speaker 4:

Okay, what do you do? What grocery store do you go to? Like I brought back grocery stores again. But grocery store do you go to? Like I brought back grocery stores again, but um, but like you get into the head of your character and it's like you can bring in your like I said, your worldview and your character's worldview and see where they collide and where they coincide. So it's, I, improv is just the best, it, it's the best, it's the best.

Speaker 1:

There were a lot of great answers there, but I think you clearly want to pivot the conversation. What is your favorite grocery store?

Speaker 3:

Can you please rank the grocery stores in the South, if you have?

Speaker 1:

a top three. We love top three lists here on the podcast. We will criticize you based on this list, we'll take a top one or three.

Speaker 3:

No, it's got to be three. Let's do three. It's got to be three, Okay top three.

Speaker 4:

Oh God, I guess grocery stores overwhelm me. Funny enough, I love an Asian grocery store. That's my favorite, because nobody's judgmental, nobody's thinking about you, everybody's just like there you go, you need help, here, go get this. And then it's like and I love Asian food, that's my favorite type of food.

Speaker 3:

Everyone also really knows what they want too. It's not as chaotic.

Speaker 1:

It's like the nicest get in, get out. They're definitely doing that, but it's just so convenient.

Speaker 4:

Yes, and it's a wonderful atmosphere and you're like. You know what. I actually am not stressed by all of these Southern people at my grocery store. I'm actually not in the South anymore, I'm somewhere else.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I went to an Asian market. I think it was called Mills Market in Orlando. And it was just a wonderful experience.

Speaker 3:

Meanwhile I walk into Walmart. I'm like the popcorn chicken is gone. My whole trip is ruined.

Speaker 4:

See Walmart scares me.

Speaker 2:

I do not enjoy Walmart.

Speaker 4:

See, that's the bottom of my list.

Speaker 3:

Agreed.

Speaker 4:

Along with Kroger. I don't like Kroger. Kroger overwhelms me too. It's the name we don't have Kroger here.

Speaker 2:

We do have them in Dallas.

Speaker 3:

I didn't really go there too often. I prefer to Tom Thumb over a Kroger, a what it's called Tom Thumb, I think it's like a more out west.

Speaker 4:

How big are his thumbs?

Speaker 3:

I guess big enough to have many grocery stores.

Speaker 4:

I also like, speaking of that, I also love just a. What the hell are they called? Like a little, a little, like it's not a a food market.

Speaker 1:

Oh oh. They called like a little, a little growth, like it's not a food market.

Speaker 3:

Oh oh, like a neighborhood market or like a yeah food market.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, oh my gosh farmers produce like a farmer's market. We were like circling market.

Speaker 3:

I was like it's something market. I just don't know.

Speaker 4:

I think I'm hungry, but I ate already see, I'm seeing my partner, like I told y'all and my I actually love the idea of going to a grocery store with somebody that, like you're together with, because it's like domestic, it's like, oh, what are we gonna make for dinner, what do you want for dessert? And then because, also, I'm adhd, so I get lost in the grocery store.

Speaker 1:

So it's like you just like walk out with a bunch of fruit roll ups and you're like what?

Speaker 4:

happened.

Speaker 1:

I have forgotten about fruit roll ups and you just reminded me of them, yeah, and then you can get the variety pack that have the fruit roll ups, the gushers.

Speaker 4:

That always makes me think of the Scooby Doo Gummies, the blue, the infamous Mystery Scooby.

Speaker 3:

One year my daughter got a pack of. It was like years ago, she's much older now, but uh, she got a pack of those scooby-doo gummies in in her halloween bag and I was like these are mine. I'm so sorry, but I'm uh, you don't even know what these are so this is for me I that's something I adore is scoby-Doo.

Speaker 4:

If I could, I want to play Daphne. I want to be. I want to be Daphne. I've always wanted to be Daphne. People have always compared me to Daphne. I love her. Also, being like a villain and one of the Scooby-Doo movies would be so cool. I love Scooby-Doo. That's like, like I was saying, like my tether to creativity of like what I like earlier. It's fairytale Nana, scooby-doo. My favorite anime is Scooby-Doo and the and the oh Zombie Island.

Speaker 3:

Scooby-Doo that's the one that's in New Orleans, right, that's the one in like. It's one of the best animated. I don't know how we got from supermarkets to Scooby-Doo Zombie Island, but it is one of the best animated films like ever.

Speaker 4:

Well, they also go to the supermarket in Scooby-Doo Island. That's how they meet the Louisiana, like the Creole girl. That's how they meet her.

Speaker 3:

It's scary too, like when you were like as a kid, it was like terrifying.

Speaker 1:

But it was like terrifying, but it was. It's still scary. Yeah, phil, we never asked out of respect for for like lines to be delivered, but I feel like, bay, like whatever reach we could possibly give you for your dreams, do you just want to give out a?

Speaker 2:

and I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you. If you like kids, would you like to just?

Speaker 1:

would you like to just throw one out there, Like, Would you like to just throw one out there? You never know. You never know who listens. So you know the offer's out there.

Speaker 4:

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.

Speaker 1:

That is so good, thank you.

Speaker 3:

Eric, you got the keyboard or the soundboard over there. Is there the applause? Still Did we remove it.

Speaker 2:

No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1:

But I'm going to add it in post.

Speaker 4:

That is so good. Oh, I also can laugh like him, okay.

Speaker 3:

Were you pro or anti-scrappy-do that little fucker. Pro or anti-scrappy-do?

Speaker 4:

That little fucker.

Speaker 3:

Very much poochy energy from the Simpsons.

Speaker 4:

Like that little fucker is.

Speaker 3:

They didn't like what is it called when companies will like test screen audiences? They didn't like test it called when companies will like test screen audiences. They didn't like test Scrappy-Doo with people before throwing him in our faces.

Speaker 4:

I guess not. It felt like a surefire thing and I just learned recently that Scrappy-Doo is named Scrappy because he wants to scrap yeah he wants to fight all the time. I just thought he was messy because he keeps getting in the way of everything. He's from Long.

Speaker 3:

Island or something. I don't know what his deal is.

Speaker 4:

What was he a?

Speaker 3:

nephew. Yeah, he was Scooby-Doo's nephew. He's something.

Speaker 4:

I don't fucking care, I don't like him and he was scrappy.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, spaces Scrap the hell out of here, scrap her way on out of here.

Speaker 4:

I get it, that's also speaking of how scary the Scooby-Doo stuff is, is the Mystery Incorporated Like the scary, like the crazy animated one, where, all, like the deep secret and the lore of the Scooby-Doo gang, I was like that shit would scare the fuck out of me, that parrot.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, listen, they're going to make a full-on Scooby-Doo horror movie in a couple years, I'm sure of it.

Speaker 3:

It's not going to be quite Pooniverse-ville, but oh, you mean like a full-on gore horror movie?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, straight-up horror. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3:

When does Scooby-Doo enter the public domain? That's when it will happen. I also didn't know. Scrappy-doo apparently debuted in 1979. I thought he was like a 90s edition, but he's been around forever.

Speaker 4:

Maybe they threw him in there and they were like, well, if somebody says something, we can bring you back.

Speaker 3:

But it's going to be. Yeah, he's been around for a long time.

Speaker 4:

He's in what's New Scooby-Doo. That's when he came out first. No, no, before that. What's New is the what's new Scooby-Doo. They're coming after you.

Speaker 3:

They're gonna fight, solve that mystery. It was really Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo was his first appearance. Ew, pretty straightforward there. Look, scrappy-doo was his first appearance. Ew, pretty straightforward there.

Speaker 4:

Look, scrappy-doo's voice actor is going to come find me and be like, so I blacklisted you Well there are many of them.

Speaker 3:

One of them, scott Innes is the most well-known one.

Speaker 4:

I'm sorry, Scott.

Speaker 3:

And Jason Montezuka has actually voiced Scrappy-Doo in the Velma Show, which I heard is not very good. So in the Velma show which I heard is not very good, but we won't talk Anyway supermarkets.

Speaker 1:

Listen, the grocery store turn into Scrappy Doo is probably an all-timer here on the podcast. I think we'll reference this particular moment whenever we've completely gotten off the rails.

Speaker 1:

I love them. It's so good. Yeah, because we also talk, obviously, mutual pop culture interests. Now, I didn't expect Scooby-Doo to be on the docket, but we always ask that question of what are those pop culture influences, and this isn't just in voice acting, this is just in your enjoyment as a fan being a part of fandom, having those obsessions, and your enjoyment as a fan being a part of fandom, having those obsessions, like whether it's what you're loving right now or what you grew up with as a child. What are some of those other things in pop culture that just mean a lot to you?

Speaker 1:

My partner has shown me the Yakuza games there we go, yeah, yeah, we're late to the party on those we want to play them.

Speaker 4:

You have to find the right one we love, cocarnage and he streams. He streamed them like seven years ago and that was the first time that Keija had seen them. Was that he had watched the streams from that long ago and he watched them. Hell, we haven't even gotten to what the hell is that long ago and he watched them. Hell, we haven't even gotten to what the hell is that one's name? It's the one I really want to meet. It's not, it's Google. Hey, siri. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, because it's the one that looks like a pirate when they do karaoke. Have you seen?

Speaker 3:

the karaoke. I've seen clips of the karaoke yeah. I was like what Isn't this game called Yakuza? What? Where is that? Oh?

Speaker 4:

hell yeah, it is Also Yakuza. It's the eyepatch guy, it's him.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, definitely seen him.

Speaker 4:

He's so cool, and it's Kiryu and Majima Majima. But yeah, the best thing about the Yakuza games so far for me is that the mini games in Yakuza are like topped, they're like their own games, like they're so good that they're like their own games and, um, there's like they have like a whole sega, like um, like store in the yakuza and you can go and play the games like there's a crane game, there's like all of this. You also. You also can go to it's not the brothel, that's, that's in high, that's that other thing, but it's uh, that's the name for them. It's like the, it's the clubs, but it's the what are those called with the women?

Speaker 1:

but with the women the strip clubs women the women clubs, the strip clubs.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's not a strip club, it's fancier oh like, oh no, I thought I had it. I have seen like footage of the game, like of people just like dancing in the club. I've also seen like a kart racer.

Speaker 4:

Yes, but with the clubs I cannot name the. Yes, but with the clubs I cannot name the women. It's a dress-up game. You can dress them up, is it Cabaret?

Speaker 2:

Yes, okay.

Speaker 4:

It's the Cabaret clubs and you can go and dress them up and then you can. It's as good as Nothing, as good as the boulders gate customization, nothing as good as that. But it's over there like it's a good character customization. And then the new yakuza games have like pokemon, go like their own, it's like sajiman or something, and they also have an animal crossing one that they did like they pull everything, so they're like packed. But those and they also have an Animal Crossing one that they did like they pull everything, so they're like packed. But those are really good. Like I said, apothecary Diaries I need to get on that.

Speaker 1:

Everybody talks about it, I know.

Speaker 4:

And when Donald watches this he'll be like oh thanks, she still hasn't found anybody to talk to Apothecary Diaries.

Speaker 1:

Listen, there's a lot of people to talk to you and I love a good like romance anime. That that's the genre, right, is that?

Speaker 4:

no, it's it's romance and mystery. Oh, it is like and like, it's like intrigue and like scandal, like royal skin, because it's, it's the it's, it's like the imperial dynasty of like, uh, it's not the imperial one, but it's like it's the china. They, they took a lot from like the chinese dynasties and stuff and then they mixed them with like a fantastical air, but it's, it's so cool. So there's a lot of like period drama, like historic, like. Oh, what did the emperor do? Nothing, because he's pretty cool, but everybody else well, one of the emperors I ran into him again.

Speaker 4:

But yeah, I love that one I also love, I love shoujo. So my favorite when I was growing up, I love shoujo, so my favorite when I was growing up, I love shoujo anime. So like nana and uh, right now I love, uh, my, my comfort show for a while is uh, my happy marriage my happy marriage is really good.

Speaker 1:

It's very good. I I got suckered into watching it and I was like I'm not gonna watch a show called my, my happy marriage I think this might be a little too on the nose and I was like oh my heart, yeah, you realize how happy you.

Speaker 4:

That's. The thing, like with trauma and things too, is like you don't realize how wonderful something is until you lose it and then you get it back healthfully and it's like, oh my gosh, this is a completely different like with love. It's like, whoa, I'm so happy that they're happy that I could be happy too like this, and I am yeah, it's very much.

Speaker 1:

Uh, it gave me very similar feelings for when I watched Comey Can't Communicate, which I really enjoyed quite a bit as well, like they both gave me very similar like unexpected vibes from watching it, Like I was like blown away at how much I was connected.

Speaker 4:

I haven't seen that one, but I really want to the narrator, for that is, though. She's phenomenal. She has such a beautiful voice.

Speaker 1:

I remember I watched like a few minutes and I was like oh, I love your voice you know, you'd think you'd think a show about the main character not being able to communicate wouldn't be very interesting or very gripping, especially from, like, a dialogue perspective, but it just really is very, very good. But yeah, both, both very good choices, I mean, when we're talking about this type of anime. Fruits Basket is the king and queen.

Speaker 4:

I would love to play a Toru Honda character. I strive to be Toru Honda.

Speaker 1:

She is everything I would love that.

Speaker 4:

Now the Fragrant Flower fragrant flower blooms with dignity is coming out, and that was when I met y'all first. That was the anime. I was trying to say that I wanted to be in so bad but I couldn't think of what it was called. And it's coming out and I'm like and it's, and it's so funny because everybody's like oh, she's so beautiful, oh I love her, and I'm like I literally look so much like her, like our face and our bangs. Hold on, I'm gonna go uh, wagari, she's like a little I can't get it to. There's like like her little hair is mine's the same, hold on. It's like I have the, the little fringe, so it goes. It's like that. It's like I love her she's just precious.

Speaker 4:

But that's. That's a dream I've always had is to play a shoujo lead like Toru, like just. But also recently I have been playing the more dead pan and like not mute completely, but like very relaxed characters. I love them. I didn't think I could do that. I was like whoa, this is new. I was like whoa, this is new. I was like oh for, for instance, a lot of like the robot, like more like automaton characters. Specifically, I've been getting cast as recently and like those are the ones that I don't even audition and they're like can you do that? I'm like, okay, I guess I can.

Speaker 4:

This sounds fun, like uh khalun generic romance. I don't know if you've seen that or heard of that. It is so good. But the main character like things with, like that, like there's a lot of like it. That one's really cool because it's like Inception kind of Like. It's like oh, but there's a lot of like the main character. She's very like, just like sexy husky, just like in her lane she's nourished, in her lane she's refreshed, she's going. But like with the deeper characters and the more relaxed and feminine and like just like, I like that. I haven't got to play that as much as I used to so like the sexy little femme fatale characters. I also really love what was the question.

Speaker 1:

We were just talking pop culture we were just talking about stuff that we like. No, you did great the question. Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4:

Grocery store and so and uh, you can find me on aisle seven and I don't know what I'll be doing on aisle seven, but maybe I'm at aisle eight where are we ranking? You'll have to come to the grocery store.

Speaker 3:

I hate to bring back the gummy conversation, but like where are we ranking a fruit? Roll up a fruit by the foot and do we throw gushers in there, cause like that has the sour.

Speaker 4:

So I actually don't like gummies.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it depends.

Speaker 4:

Like any kind of gummy, not particularly. They're like, not if I were to have, I like the Petri.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 4:

But I love a sweet treat, I love pastries yeah, love a good pastry. I love a pastry.

Speaker 1:

I love a pie what is it about gummies in particular? Is it texture? Yeah, it's got to be texture, right.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, look at that, it's like I don't want to chew on you for this long and have the same texture and feeling in my mouth.

Speaker 2:

This makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 4:

I actually don't like this, like Jell-O.

Speaker 1:

I hate Jell-O. I was going to say that's got to probably extend pretty far. That's a cold gummy for Twizzlers.

Speaker 2:

You said it with such disdain, I can imagine Twizzlers. You said it with such disdain I could imagine Twizzlers is not a thing for you. I don't like Twizzlers either.

Speaker 3:

There's so much disdain in your voice for Jell-O. That's just a cold gummy. Don't let it fool you. That's just a gummy in disguise, fuck.

Speaker 4:

And that one Jell-O is like traumatizing from like Christmas when they have like the piece of lettuce and they have, that's what my family had for so long and nobody would fucking touch it. It's like a fruit salad and you're like no, it's just jello on lettuce and like maybe some whipped cream.

Speaker 1:

And that disgusts me. I don't think we're ready to have the conversation about like the previous generation's habits around holidays when it came to food, and that's one of them.

Speaker 3:

Like those, just like monstrosity creations that nobody would touch and that's one of them, like those, just like monstrosity creations that nobody would touch well to, to redirect and bring it back to, uh, learning more about you. I would like to talk about the music side of things with you, because you did talk about being a musician. You also talked about doing rap and doing hip-hop. So I want to know, like, what were your inspirations? You know you're obviously you're're talking about obviously early 2000s, so who are those artists that have influenced you? Eric and I are big hip-hop heads. We aren't so much into a lot of the newer stuff.

Speaker 3:

We're a lot more. I mean we're in our 30s, so we have a lot of legacy artists that are in our library. Yeah, eminem. Sometimes you go back and listen to an Eminem. Yeah for sure. So yeah, who are those people that have inspired you and who are some of those artists that you really love?

Speaker 4:

So Eminem for sure. With rap, especially XG, they're my favorite. That's when I did the halftime show at Bold is what I did. I rapped my XG, which is which is woke up, and I did that live and so good, so good, uh, oh, it makes me so excited. I, I love it. Uh, rap was really cool for me because I was a competition singer, so I was a. I was a musical theater, competition singer and musical.

Speaker 4:

I would do a lot of genres, but it would be more so on the theatrical side of things, like opera was. Sometimes I can do it a little bit, but not as much as like character and singing and stuff. So with my new singing career I have realized that I haven't dipped my toes into a lot of this like j-pop, k-pop. I'm actually working on a j-pop cover right now. It's, uh, it's a keregato which is from I can't say her name, susi or su. I I'm so sorry, it's amazing. I, I love it. And so I used to.

Speaker 4:

When I was learning, uh, voice acting, I wanted to learn. When I was younger, I learned a lot about um, japanese and especially because I wanted to get into anime. So I would, I would learn the inflections of certain like ways to like do certain types of characters or things like, and that was what was really cool to me, because I was like that's like where the energy and the life of everything comes from. So I want to learn this culture and about how they do that, and so I have started singing in Japanese again and it is so wonderful, it makes me so happy. Well, k-pop, too, especially. I grew up like with, with K-pop. Stray Kids were my first ever like, really like into them, and I saw them live before covid and they were amazing. I love street kids.

Speaker 1:

Let me look at my spotify uh, I was gonna say, while you're doing that too, what's your reaction to all this k-pop, demon hunter like fandom. What's going on?

Speaker 3:

I'm kind of disappointed. It took us an hour to bring it up actually a little bit.

Speaker 4:

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it makes me so happy. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my god, it's so good. I've seen it three times now. Keeja and I watched it together and, uh, keeja's music producer and we do a lot, my partner, do a lot of music stuff together. He actually helped me, uh, remember my love for music and he actually taught me how to rap. So that was just.

Speaker 4:

We watched it together and music is a huge part of our lives and our connection with each other. And so he was like at first, when I watched it, okay, I was like, oh, I'm Zoe, yeah, that totally makes sense. And then we kept watching it and I, it was like the next day and I was having all of these realizations and he was like, you know, you're roomie, right, and I was like the fuck you say to me, I was like, uh, and he's like, and sometimes you're Mira, and I was like, ah, and I was like, okay, but then I realized that my favorite part of that because I watched it again and I watched it by myself and I was like and I was crying and sobbing and everything but my favorite thing about the movie is that roomie zoe and mira are just one. They are when they're in harmony. When the parts of them are in harmony, they are the strongest force. And with the whole k-pop demon hunters thing, my takeaway of it is in learning to accept every part of yourself, and that's how you'll be able to fight the demons, especially like mental demons, things too. It's like, once you accept and you go on that journey of accepting and loving every part of yourself, even a little bit, just accepting it in just a little bit, you'll start to find who you really are. And that's how that's like my whole journey of coming back from my, from my recovery and being Mei Mei and being like, oh, I can rap again. Oh, I like singing again. Oh, oh, I can do this other thing. Oh, I'm a really scary, evil, sexy character. Kazumi uh in um, the, the game I'm in that I can't pronounce that one. Uh, sorry, um, I was like that with voice acting too.

Speaker 4:

My, my whole thing has been I want to make an impact. I want to play a character that will make an impact on someone that years from now, when they think about like them growing up and thinking about, oh, like with K-pop Dune Hunter, surely people are going to be like. Oh, I remember when I, when I watched that and that character and like I want to be that character, that someone can be like she's that that character is why I wanted to start voice acting, that that actress is why I wanted to start voice acting when she played this character, that was like that was my dream. I want to inspire dreams and I I think that k-pop demon hunters did that so well. It's's so good, it's so good. And the music oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 1:

So good Baby Saja is my favorite.

Speaker 3:

Baby Saja fan, yeah, goo.

Speaker 4:

Goo Gaga. Yeah, they are so great.

Speaker 3:

Goo, goo Gaga. Mira's voice actress is actually at Tampa Bay Comic Con this weekend. She was a late addition within the last couple of days. I was like man, I wish so bad that I was going to that. So hopefully she's badass, she's so good, so hopefully we won't name the person who throws together the conventions. We work with Eric, but nudge, nudge, hint, hint. He'll never listen to this.

Speaker 1:

That'd be crazy. That'd be crazy, so That'd be crazy.

Speaker 3:

So let's get them. Let's get them here.

Speaker 4:

Y'all doing a K-pop. Also, could you guys imagine hosting the K-pop Demon Hunters panel?

Speaker 3:

No, it'd be. I'd be like sorry, nobody get up here and ask any questions. I have a bunch of questions.

Speaker 2:

So, actually I've written all of the questions.

Speaker 4:

This is a fill-in-a.

Speaker 2:

Fill-in-a. Oh, my god god that's so good shit.

Speaker 3:

Write that down. People get people in line and be like. I feel like you want to ask this question, so I'll do it for you yeah, I feel like I'm reading the room and I'm feeling that my questions are the best, so I'm gonna say I just feel like I should just step in here.

Speaker 2:

I think I should take over.

Speaker 3:

So like.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So they're fantastic. It is now the most streamed original animated film in Netflix history and, yeah, it's been a number one for weeks, I think Golden.

Speaker 1:

Spotify records it's breaking.

Speaker 3:

Golden is number one on the Billboard charts as well.

Speaker 4:

This is what it sounds like is my favorite.

Speaker 3:

That's the one I'm actually.

Speaker 4:

That's what I'm planning on covering.

Speaker 3:

That's my favorite. When I listened to that.

Speaker 4:

When I listened to that I was like, oh, I am roomie. I was like, oh, Especially being a young actress.

Speaker 1:

That song is so good for so many reasons.

Speaker 4:

This is what it sounds like.

Speaker 3:

This is what it sounds like, and then Free is probably my second favorite.

Speaker 4:

That's also what I'm covering, so me and my partner are hopefully going to do Free.

Speaker 3:

Those are my two faves, but they're all excellent.

Speaker 1:

They're all fantastic.

Speaker 3:

So good yeah.

Speaker 1:

Let's opt out of the game and let's just listen to the movie.

Speaker 3:

Let's just watch the movie.

Speaker 1:

You don't have a hard stop. Eh, we can spend the next two hours watching the movie.

Speaker 3:

Let's just watch the film I've been my own word.

Speaker 1:

Phil and me were like randomly singing Takedown, I think, or maybe it was just me.

Speaker 2:

Takedown, takedown.

Speaker 1:

Takedown, Takedown that lasted the whole week after for me.

Speaker 4:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:

So it was nutty, but I definitely want us to keep the fun going as we're wrapping up this episode. We always wrap up with a game, and I have one that is new, so why don't we jump into that? Phil again, super excited, super excited. Let me you sure about that, you sure about that.

Speaker 4:

Sure about that. I'm scared but I'm excited. Oh, what the hell is this?

Speaker 1:

Let's get real, yeah so it's called let's Get Real. Okay, and this is going to be really fun. The way that this game works is this game has five pop culture categories and each category will have six opinions listed in each. What I did was I went to chat GPT in each. What I did was I went to chat GPT and I asked for the top hot takes or unpopular opinions for all of these categories that fans might secretly agree with but don't often say out loud. And these were six of the top 20 responses that I got, and the categories are going to be movies, gaming, music, anime and conventions.

Speaker 1:

Oh, so you got to pick out of those six opinions. You both have to choose one and explain why it's a valid take. Whoever has the better take wins a point, and the first person with three out of five wins. So it's going to be easy peasy. You know, again, we're going to have a great time with it, but it's going to be easy peasy. You know, again, we're going to have a great time with it, but we're going to start off with movies, and for the movies category, I'll read off all six opinions and, bay as our guest, you will get first crack at these. Okay, so whichever of your choice, the one that you resonate with the most, our six options are watching a movie at home is better than going to the theater. Streaming a movie illegally is more common than people admit, and it should be embraced. People who talk during movies deserve to be banned from theaters for life. Buying movies physically is pointless unless you're a collector. People pretend to like Oscar winning movies more than they actually do.

Speaker 2:

Flo's a great example of that.

Speaker 1:

Ouch, and popcorn is overrated and overpriced as a movie snack. So, bae, which take here, do you resonate and you kind of want to add a little bit of additional commentary on why it's a valid take?

Speaker 4:

Okay, because when I saw the, the physical movies, at first I was like oh, and then I was like I broke I. I grew up with a blockbuster like two minutes from my house, so physical movies that was such an important part of my, of my childhood was like oh, what can I get? A scoopy do I'm to go with? Popcorn is overrated.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, not a popcorn gal.

Speaker 4:

It's not that I'm not a popcorn gal. There's so many more things to get Like you can get all of these assorted candies that you never see at the grocery store.

Speaker 1:

Like a good gummy. Well, bay, you're going to have to clarify, because you eliminate half of them when you eliminate the gummies.

Speaker 4:

So what chocolate are you getting? Oh no, I fucked myself up.

Speaker 1:

What chocolate are you getting? Or are you just getting hot dogs and nachos?

Speaker 3:

Nachos. Nachos is a solid.

Speaker 1:

After you tell this, I will tell you my gross but delicious movie snack. Oh my God, yes.

Speaker 3:

Okay, great, I'm excited.

Speaker 4:

I remember there's so many little treats. You shouldn't really get the frozen ones, though, because they'll melt on you in the movie if you don't eat them fast enough. And you can't eat them fast enough because the commercials are 45 minutes long. So how could you buy something and it melts? You can't get excited and have a chop during the commercial.

Speaker 4:

That being said, snow caps Mm-hmm, okay, I do like sour patch kids, so that gummy is okay okay oh, I don't think I chose good you're like, you're like popcorn starting to sound really good actually it's like an add-on but it's not like the most and they also make it so expensive, like the popcorn is like $20. And that's something overrated. Getting snacks at the movies my Nana taught me to put it in your purse and eat it when you get in there, because put it in your purse at home, not when you shoplift for the movies, but you put it in your purse.

Speaker 1:

It should be illegal to actually buy large popcorns. I don't think anyone ever eats that, but you spend so much for a small, you might as well get the large.

Speaker 3:

So that's where I think it really gets crazy. But the way that they get you is they're like well, a large is 20 cents more. Do you just want that? But no, my brother-in-law will eat the whole large popcorn by himself.

Speaker 1:

That's crazy. That's crazy. They also now sell very expensive popcorn buckets, which is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm a popcorn bucket guy.

Speaker 1:

Phil, do you have a take here? Oh wait, no Babe. My gross movie snack is Twizzlers with nacho cheese.

Speaker 4:

I actually think I'm going to leave. I actually think I want you to get me off of this.

Speaker 2:

If you could actually scrap this entire thing.

Speaker 4:

Scrap this entire episode.

Speaker 1:

We've never actually had a guest ask for an episode to be taken down that hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 2:

It would be a shame if it started.

Speaker 4:

I'm sorry, but you brought up Twizzlers and something that I'm. Did you say nacho cheese?

Speaker 1:

Hold on, Phil, Defend me though. Okay, listen.

Speaker 3:

I had the same reaction. I was like straight to jail, like send him to jail guantanamo no bond get out of here and I tried it. It's. It's actually not bad I wouldn't go out of my way yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way to buy it myself, but when he does get it I'm like let me get a twizzler With a dip, let me get one, just do a little dip.

Speaker 1:

It's something. It's more for me. I think the flavors, the flavors of the Twizzler and the nacho cheese, collaborate somehow. I don't know how, but it just makes me think. It just makes me think.

Speaker 3:

You're going to have to clip this, yeah.

Speaker 4:

We're going to have to mark between that and scra that little fucker.

Speaker 2:

I think we've got some good clues, Scrappy do.

Speaker 4:

That little fucker is the one who would go and get Twizzlers and Nacho Cheese and then spill it on you and be like meh, and then you miss the best part of the fucking movie.

Speaker 3:

You're like oh, why Twizzlers and Nacho Cheese?

Speaker 4:

why he always wanted to fight and I'm like I will fight you outside, because I paid for this movie and it's expensive and I want to sit here.

Speaker 1:

Phil, what is your take that you resonate with here?

Speaker 3:

It's close between two. I will go with. People pretend to like Oscar winning movies more than they do. I refuse to believe. People watched Amelia Perez and were like like that's one of the best films I've ever seen. That should be up for an Academy.

Speaker 4:

Award.

Speaker 1:

I don't even know what that is, I don't even boy it is we'll send you the episode it's the movie about the Mexican cartel like drug boss that who the transition?

Speaker 3:

transgender transition.

Speaker 1:

But it's also a musical and it features Zoe Saldana.

Speaker 3:

It's a bad musical too.

Speaker 1:

It's a really bad musical and it's an awful film.

Speaker 3:

It's an awful film and then the actress who played the main character also very problematic. So it was a whole thing leading into the Oscars season.

Speaker 4:

Is she the one who had the nails?

Speaker 3:

Possibly, oh, the nails possibly oh, there's one.

Speaker 4:

That is that a different movie?

Speaker 3:

are you thinking of wicked? Oh no, oh okay, when you said that I was like yeah, that can't be like.

Speaker 4:

But I thought of nails.

Speaker 3:

I thought of um you know what's also look at my nails.

Speaker 4:

Um, I do the cat's eye nail, so they do the. I do the cat's eye nail, so they do the. Oh they, actually, if you put them with blueberries, they look like blueberries. I'm sorry. I love my nails. It's very important to me.

Speaker 3:

We're obviously very in tune with nail culture, so we know what you're talking about. I love nails, but no she got.

Speaker 4:

I remember watching. Well, I stopped because I was like, oh okay, it had a nail thing on this commercial for the Oscars and it was the actress. She had gotten butterflies on her nails Because she got an acrylic set for the movie. And they were like and she had to go back to the studio, to the nail salon and get it every week because she decided to get the exact same.

Speaker 3:

Oh no, I don't think that's no. Yeah, just looking into it, but no, but that's just one of the examples for for films that I refuse to believe that people actually enjoyed. Also, we have we have proof of concept that even Oscar voters don't really like movies because they don't even watch all the movies that are nominated. So how can we trust in?

Speaker 4:

them. This one sounds like I saw the most commercials about it. Yeah, so this one the kids are talking about on TikTok.

Speaker 3:

And then one of the most egregious examples is Crash, which is just a terrible film. What's that? It's a movie that came out, won best picture in when did it win 2004.?

Speaker 2:

And it tries to be this, like you didn't see Crash in 2004?.

Speaker 4:

No, because my eyes were.

Speaker 3:

Don't ever watch it, but it tries to be this open, this dialogue about racism and profiling all this stuff, and it is terrible, so that one best picture in 2004, so or 2005 it hasn't aged very well it didn't all right well when it came out, so two very compelling arguments.

Speaker 1:

Um, I'm gonna give the edge because amelia perez is such a great example. I'm gonna give movies to phil, and phil is up 1-. Bae, you get first choice in each of these as a guest advantage. And the next one is gaming, and I have six takes. Which one do you resonate with? Our first take, you don't need to get good. Games should be enjoyable at any skill level. Indie games often offer more innovation than big studio titles. Graphics are overrated. Gameplay still matters most. You don't need to finish every game. It's okay to drop it halfway. Not every game needs an open world. Sometimes linear is better or older games aren't always classics because many of them aged poorly. Bae, do you have any one that you're leaning towards and why?

Speaker 4:

um, let's see, well, most of my work is through like indie games because I started. The whole reason that I started voice acting was because of visual novels. Like that was like my big thing. I was like I want to be. I want to be in an elan studios. That's one of my favorite visual novels, but like uh, I would say that one's from like a work perspective. So, like I, I do agree with that one especially, but also I haven't been in very many big studio titles, so I don't know what happens behind the room. But I think that you don't need to finish every game and it's okay to drop it halfway.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

Because it's the experience and the nostalgia of the game that you remember. You don't remember playing the whole game, like my partner and I are watching gameplay of assassin's creed. So I've been I love etzio ha and I've learned to do like my italian accents and stuff like off of the assassin creed's game and I was like like even with those I'm like they're so cool, it's like it's the story that you're there for, like you don't actually have to play the game if you like, want to watch the cut scenes or something like. But you know, like I don't know, I think that I'm not a gamer, if this can uh say this shows.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, that's okay, but that's a good take because, like a lot of these games, have a lot of like aura behind them, like from the characters to the story. Like you don't always have to finish a game to feel that like the intention behind. Yeah again.

Speaker 4:

It's also the same as like not finishing an anime yeah and then picking it up and you're like wait, but I did I finish this. And you're like, no, has it been three years? You're like I still don't want to finish it. I think I get it I think it's great.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think it's. I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah, I like that. That's a actually compelling argument, phil.

Speaker 4:

Oh, thank God so.

Speaker 1:

Phil, which one are you going to go with to combat that?

Speaker 3:

You know, I agree, because there are people that put together cut scenes and a little bit of gameplay just so you can watch a game from start to finish. Yeah, people do that all the time.

Speaker 4:

That's what I'm doing with Assassin's Creed.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, there are games that I knew I wasn't going to actually buy and play, but I've still watched playthroughs just to see, because I was very interested in the story I will definitely go with. Not every game needs to be an open world. Sometimes linear is better. I'll go as far as saying I think linear is better when it comes to an open world, and sometimes games can just get overwhelming with the amount of choices. It's one of the reasons I have not beaten and I've restarted Cyberpunk 2077 so many times.

Speaker 3:

It is an overwhelming amount of things to do and they're good things, but sometimes, like, some of the best experiences I've had in terms of gaming are linear experiences. So give me just like, but you know also, conversely, like you know, there's the Red Deads of the world and Horizon Zero Dawns. But like those linear experiences when you you know the story you want to tell and you want to tell me where to go and you have confidence in that story, I think that's good, we need. I think we need more of that. So, yeah, but indie games also do offer more innovation. But indie games also do offer more innovation.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes, yes. Both of these very compelling, I will say I do have to go with my gut and my biased opinion. I do agree that sometimes linear is better, but some of my favorite games are open world. So, because I have a preference and Bae had a very good argument, bae, you're going to take the point here.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and you're going to tie it up 1-1, which brings us to music. And you're going to tie it up 1-1. Which brings us to music. And six takes here for you to choose from. The most popular songs sound the same and that's why people like them. Concerts are often overpriced and underwhelming. Lyrics aren't always important. Sometimes vibes matter more than words. Listening to the same song on repeat for hours is normal. Nostalgia makes people overrate music from their teens, and album rollouts with cryptic teasers are more annoying than they are exciting. Bae, which one of these do you vibe with the most?

Speaker 4:

Oh my God. The one that I absolutely do not vibe with is lyrics aren't always important. My partner, he's an award-winning lyricist and so his, his whole thing, is like lyrics are so important. Don't fuck with the lyrics. This is how you write. Whether you want to learn, if you want to learn, you want to learn. It's so important because it's the story of the song. Yeah, if you're sorry, I'm gonna go with. Nostalgia makes people overrate their music, the music from their teens yeah because they don't think it's overrated.

Speaker 4:

Until they talk to someone and they're like did you hear? Like remember this song I listened to and it's like the most crunchiest like listening to it now. It's like the crunchiest, like oh, oh, but where did you record that in? Is this home produced? But not well, uh, but it's like, but that's the thing about those is that it's the aura of those and what you were going through in your life that was like this is what. This is what mattered to me, especially listening the same song on repeat too. I agree with that one. It's totally normal. That's what me is.

Speaker 1:

This is what it sounds like in the entire k-pop demon album yeah, my spotify rap's ruined, so I just yeah, don't even, don't even go, uh yeah.

Speaker 4:

Oh, conan gray was like my. I didn't even wasn't on spotify that much, but he was like my top artist for three years in a row and I was like, and it's because I would listen to the really sad songs that hit so like family line, that hit so deep that I was like, no, it's okay, I can cry for a few more hours, it's fine. But I love gg perez. Gg perez is my favorite artist right now. Chemistry by gg perez so good, and that feeling good feeling is also what I will. Thank people that. The reason that feels so good to me is the nostalgia of other songs that I would listen to. It has the same frequencies, so the same frequencies that you listen to about certain songs. That makes them like really stick from your, your teens. It's different when you're older and then you listen to something you're like wait, why did I like? What's the vibe of this?

Speaker 1:

if that makes sense no, yeah, because yeah yeah, I think that's a strong one to pick. Um, I think there's a lot of validity, of validity there, and then when you don't get it, they're like, well, you just don't understand. It's like, yeah, it's kind of yeah, I don't it's it's.

Speaker 4:

It's your worldview of the music. That's why everyone has their own music taste yeah it's.

Speaker 4:

Their music is such a huge thing that you get to choose and you get to go on that discovery. So even if somebody was like I would even say like somebody saying to someone that that music is overrated I wouldn't really want that I would think when that person realizes that like, hey, it's time for me to move past this, I can go past this, that's when I think that they're like oh well, this is a little overrated because I could have gone past that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, that's great, that's great. Phil, what are you resonating with?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, just to touch on that even really quick. I don't even think it necessarily has to be from the teens, because I just pulled up my 2019 Spotify rap and I'm like I don't want to listen to any of those songs. That was six years ago, so I was in a totally different headspace. So, even from the teen, it doesn't even have to be like from your teenage years, but mine would probably be. Most popular songs sound the same and that's why people like them. There is that you can find so many examples on YouTube or TikTok or Instagram of all these songs that just share the same rhythm. They share the same metronome sound and then you just put the song over it and the frequencies there we go Yep, and they just all sound the same.

Speaker 3:

And I'm not sit here and say that I'm I don't like some. Most of those popular songs and what works works, but there is a algorithm to the business and people know what works like well, specifically like agents, and these people that are in charge unfortunately know what works and what makes money and you know it is what it is. But I'm not to say that some of those popular songs aren't good, but, yeah, they pretty much do sound the same.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, that's what pop is Right.

Speaker 4:

It's popular because it fits a certain norm that people are already used to. Yep yep, yep.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, both really good, probably two of the strong ones on here. Yeah, this is going to be tough. I'm going to give the slightest of slightest edges to Bay on this one Going up 2-1. But it was very close. That honestly could have gone either way. I almost thought about flipping a coin.

Speaker 3:

Whoever has the lyrics. Opinion, though, should be kicked in the throat.

Speaker 1:

No, for sure.

Speaker 4:

Absolutely.

Speaker 3:

Can I?

Speaker 4:

take a picture of that for my partner. Yes, I'll be like you're not going to believe this?

Speaker 1:

Can you believe that ChatGPT said that people will see this and he will be like oh yeah, of course it did.

Speaker 4:

Of course it did yeah.

Speaker 1:

Our next category, second to last, is anime.

Speaker 3:

So go in here, bathe for the win or fill the tide. Does that little character have a pair of?

Speaker 2:

scissors in his back. Can you go back earlier? No, that's a sword. Oh, it's a sword. I thought he got like stabbed in the back. He also might have been stabbed.

Speaker 4:

That's true. I thought that was her hair tie.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

I thought it was a little bow but no, I see it now.

Speaker 3:

I was definitely worried that they had got stabbed, that's okay.

Speaker 1:

Uh, here, here are she sheathed her wreath with her gosh, let's go ahead and talk about these six opinions and bay. You'll choose your most relatable one here. When it comes to anime, first First sub versus dub is an outdated argument that needs to stop. The anime industry needs to slow down. There's too many seasonal anime. Anime doesn't automatically look better than Western animation and it's not always deeper in its story either. Power scaling debates are pointless and ruin the fandoms. Many anime don't know how to end and shouldn't even have more than one season. And you don't need to watch hundreds of anime or certain classics to be considered a real anime fan.

Speaker 4:

Ah, okay, I really like the last one.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that kind of fit what you were talking about earlier too.

Speaker 4:

Because the whole thing with media is it's your own experience and how you see the world. So, and also, I don't really like people being like oh well, a whole thing with sub and dub too is like they're completely different. Sub is its own, that's an own culture like that. That is their own, their own thing. And dub is also different and I don't think that they should be put between each other because they're so different and that's just something. So, yeah, I I agree that it's an outdated argument, but even though it's an outdated argument, nobody's gonna stop to stop because that's such an. That's something with being a real anime fan. Is that that's something you're like oh well, you're only a real anime fan if you, if you watch the sub, and then that's how you really understand and it's like no, like I'm sorry.

Speaker 4:

My favorite anime are little ones that I've seen throughout the years that just hold something. Fullmetal Alchemist is one of my favorite animes of all time and I started with the first Fullmetal Alchemist and then I watched Brotherhood and then I was like, oh my gosh. But yeah, I definitely think that you don't need to watch hundreds. You just need to find what fits into your life. Need to watch hundreds. You just need to find what, what fits into your life and it doesn't. Who wants to be like? Nobody can tell you. Tell somebody that they're a real fan because it's their own experience. What, what in in this person. If they're like having a debate and they're like, well, you, you don't watch naruto, so you're not a real anime fan. I, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4:

Yu Yu Hakusho is one of the most incredible animes ever, and that's what a lot of the shounen, that's what all the shounen anime are based off of. They're trying to copy paste everything. Kuwabara is my favorite, but and Botan, but like, see, it's like that's also a thing with nostalgia too, is that you don't remember. Maybe you watch like 100 anime in a year, but you're not gonna remember like ones you actually were glued to the screen, for which ones you actually were so excited they had a new season, like it's. Anime is something that it works for some people, that they understand and it means so much to them, and for some people they just don't. They don't. It's not that they don't get it, it doesn't fit into their worldview. And so I really agree with that, is like you absolutely don't need to watch any hundreds because you're not. You don't have the capability of remembering hundreds, any at hundreds because you're not.

Speaker 1:

You don't have the capability of remembering hundreds. Yeah, you are. No, I I would never recommend somebody watch dragon ball z and go through all the filler like between the battles and stuff, although I I do say it's a huge anime to have consumed at that time, like if you missed out on it, you just missed out on it. Yeah, I would never recommend it.

Speaker 4:

We were just talking about how Chala Hetala was one of the top. It was the top anime soundtrack song for over a decade. It was like number one. I was like, yeah, because you remember it.

Speaker 1:

It's crazy, crazy. Call out, there, phil, what is your choice in this category? There, phil, what is your choice in this category?

Speaker 3:

My choice and not for the obvious reason listed here in the statement is the anime industry needs to slow down to mini-seasonal anime, and the reason is because anime is the mainstream now and it is so popular and studios, and studio executives, more importantly, are recognizing that that and it's going to start producing and giving us more anime that are essentially the same and we're going to see less innovation in anime than we do right now.

Speaker 3:

The thing about anime that makes it so special and it's so great is that it's so experimental and there is something for everybody. And the worry is that now that netflix and hulu all these big studios which is a good thing more people are watching more anime. But you know we're going to get the same type of shows over and over again. So it's not because I don't want to see more anime and more shows come out, because obviously Bay and the industry we are in, we want more to come out. We'd like to have more work, but it's a little concerning because you don't want it. You know everything, to kind of be copy and paste.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, like every isekai ever right now.

Speaker 1:

Basically that whole genre.

Speaker 4:

Yes, I said one, I said an isekai, because literally you can say any sentence and then, like, you can say any sentence at all in another world and it's already a new anime franchise. Yeah, uh, I said one like, like, and I'm just not an isekai type gal, but the same thing with that, especially as that anime studios and people that pick up it, they gotta, they're picking up as much as they can, as much as they can afford to pick up. So the fact that, like, all of these isekai are being made and like specific stuff it's just copy and paste, is like okay, are you sure?

Speaker 1:

Are you sure? Yeah, and those typically will also fall underneath the category, in my experience, that they don't know how to end, and sometimes they should have just been a season. Those are the ones that I end up watching, maybe enjoying, and then I fall off on very often.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, both of these are really really close, phil. I'm going to give you the slight edge here to bring us to the final round before we end our episode here. Oh boy, and this is talking about conventions Everybody's favorite thing. This is talking about conventions, everybody's favorite thing. This is how we met, so it should be not surprising to see a pop culture.

Speaker 3:

What is on this list?

Speaker 1:

We've got six opinions. Starting with, conventions aren't as magical once you've worked behind the scenes. Big cons are just glorified merch malls now. Most Artist Alley stuff looks the same now. Nobody really likes going to panels. They just don't have anything better to do. Con programming is getting more repetitive every year and voice actor guests are overhyped. Bay, I know a lot of these hurt you, but is there one that you resonate with at all Bay just went through all of the Akira screams, is that yeah?

Speaker 4:

So I want to keep my job, so I'm not going to speak on the last one.

Speaker 4:

Gosh, I'm going to go if conventions aren't as magical once you've worked behind the scenes, because it's a different type of magical. But I was a cosplayer and so I was a high school cosplayer. So I was like I was so outcasted from my people at my school but I had the cosplay community, was hit or miss sometimes, but the cosplay community was everything that I, that I had. It was like that was my family, that was my friend group, and the only times I got to see them were at cons. That's when we'd all get to see each other. And the only times I got to see them were at cons. That's when we'd all get to see each other. So being a cosplayer and being a voice actor guest is completely different. However, not a cosplay guest, though. I mean you know different things Not being a guest. I love usually the cosplay guests. They're so sweet, um and.

Speaker 4:

But the big thing for me is that my dream was to be able to be at cons and be like on the con circuit and like like people actually come to the con because they want to see me, like they know who I am. That happens sometimes too, where people are like oh my gosh, I loved you in this and I'm like, you know who I am. That happens sometimes too, where people will be like oh my gosh, I loved you in this and I'm like, you know who I am like, how do you know who I am? And I'm like, if you google my name, my imdb pops up first. It's like I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 4:

But yeah, I think that now conventions as as behind the scenes, is much more exhausting and a different type of exhaustion level and it's more dangerous, considering because I mean, you guys know I have a lot of stalkers and so it puts me in a more. It's not as much of a dangerous position as I would be if I was just a cosplayer, you know, like going through the con, but it's different being behind the scenes because I am on high alert of every. I can't enjoy the con usually. I love meeting people and I love getting to do the panels and things especially, but because it's so high risk and scary Sometimes Because you don't know who you're going to see or who you're going to meet or who they'll remember you as, and so that definitely is for me it's just a different type of magical, and that it's like Working behind the scenes at a con. Is Madoka Magica kind of magical? The other ones are like Sailor Moon.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's a good way of describing it, I think, for us, phil, I think we agree that it very much turns into like an extra extension of a job at some point. But there's elements that you can enjoy in that. But, phil, what are you leaning towards here?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and just to tag onto that, a different kind of magical, like you said, we also just wanted to be part of that circuit and be behind the scenes. So it certainly is stressful, but it's a different type of, like you said, it is work.

Speaker 4:

Literally. Yeah, it's just work.

Speaker 3:

So I will definitely go. Big cons are just glorified merch malls. Now we have absolutely no desire to return to a mega con. You know, obviously San Diego Comic Con is on the bucket list. Like we want to go there, just to go one day. But like I saw videos from this past weekend of the lines and how, how cramped people are in there and like you have to get in line hours ahead of a panel, like we're not going to be able to just walk into a marvel panel, you know, like that's just not how it works at san diego comic-con. I assume it's the same at a new york city comic-con, a c2e2 in chicago. You know stuff like that.

Speaker 3:

So, but when you walk into I'll just use Megacon as the example, because that's the one we go to the most when it, because it's just like all that magic is gone. It's just so. It just feels so corporately run in there. And I will go for certain guests. Like I went a couple of years ago to meet Kihi Kwan. It was incredible, but I got to speak to him for 10, 15 seconds. They, but I got to speak to him for 10, 15 seconds. They took the picture and then you're out of there, so it's not like I really got a personalized experience with him.

Speaker 3:

It wasn't like when I met Adam Cole, right, eric? I got to have a conversation with Adam Cole he's one of my favorite wrestlers but with Kiki Kwan and I assume, like when they had oh my gosh, eric, why am I blanking on Anakin Skywalker's?

Speaker 2:

Hey.

Speaker 3:

Christensen is there. I'm sure you don't get to talk to them. I have an autograph back here somewhere from Jeff Goldblum. It's a Jurassic Park autograph.

Speaker 4:

I love Jurassic Park.

Speaker 3:

I do too. It's my franchise, but he didn't even look at me when he signed the autograph and it's just like a scribble. Now it is consistent with all of his other autographs. I looked it up just to make sure I didn't just get like a wiggly line, but I didn't get to talk to him. He was talking to all the yes men he was surrounded by, it's like so you know, yeah, it's just a merch mall now and, honestly, you can have a much better experience in one of the smaller shows in your area, such as Ocala Comic Con coming up in September in Ocala, florida.

Speaker 1:

We'll see you there. Great, great plug opportunity. Uh, both of these are are very valid and phil, we definitely have a lot of opinions about uh, but I gotta say you know, being behind the scenes and really having that experience, I'm gonna give this one and the win today.

Speaker 2:

So congratulations. I was going to be so gracious with this Rematch. I want different categories right now.

Speaker 1:

No, we're already over time, unfortunately, but you know what this?

Speaker 2:

is going to be a great opportunity for us to.

Speaker 1:

Oh hell. No, Honestly, he was actually holding that in. I do want you to know he was being polite, but I knew the second you said snowcaps, the disgust that he was hiding was real.

Speaker 4:

Snowcaps are more disgusting than Twizzlers and nacho sauce you can't knock until you try it.

Speaker 1:

You can't knock until you try it. I don't want to hear the slander. Don't bring me in. What did you say? Fuck me.

Speaker 4:

I hadn't said that yet, but what I am saying fuck you too is when I go to the grocery store later, I'm not getting anything for both of you. That involves gummies Again. What did I do? Thinking of fruit kicks again?

Speaker 3:

Are you a licorice person anyway? No, speaking of fruit kicks again. Are you a licorice person anyway? No, okay, I didn't know that was going to be a triggering word. I don't actively go by Twizzlers. Eric is a Twizzler guy.

Speaker 4:

I don't know if you like red vines, right, just Twizzlers.

Speaker 2:

The only thing that's like red van Red vine is somebody's cousin.

Speaker 3:

It's like yeah, red vines are gross.

Speaker 4:

But what I was going to say before I lost my mind. The only thing I know about licorice is Mr Licorice or King Licorice, from Candyland.

Speaker 3:

The only licorice we acknowledge, the only licorice, and I was like ooh, maybe I'll taste some.

Speaker 1:

Well, anyway, before we just completely started getting violent there. This was a lot of fun. That was a good game.

Speaker 3:

I like that one, yeah for sure. Well, bay, thank you so much for joining us. We ran a little bit over.

Speaker 2:

We're sorry about that but uh, we, uh, we uh we, uh, would love to have you back on.

Speaker 3:

We've had, we've had josh back on for a couple of bonus episodes that we do with the podcast, so I'll definitely keep you, keep you in the loop for that.

Speaker 4:

Bonus round and.

Speaker 3:

I always bring guests back on as a surprise to Eric too, so he never knows who's coming on. So we will chat.

Speaker 4:

I'm going to pop up with my Twizzlers Honestly, if you would try it live.

Speaker 1:

I would really like that, yes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you should live try it. Actually, when we'll bring you back on, you can try it, but the thing is you got to buy it. The cheese does have to be hot, right, eric? You haven't had it with cold nacho cheese have you?

Speaker 1:

I hope not. It's not ideal. It's better if it's like nice and warm. But yeah, I mean it's not ideal. I would recommend something that's crunchy.

Speaker 4:

Twizzlers are not crunch, they're.

Speaker 3:

So snow caps? Oh so you'll try it on snow caps.

Speaker 2:

Maybe it'll make them taste better. That's crazy. I could get snow caps at.

Speaker 3:

Blockbuster. Oh, I miss Blockbuster. I do too, but again, thank you so much for joining us here this evening. It was long overdue, but we're so happy we finally got you in. Cannot wait for people to hear your story. So please let everybody know any projects you're working on that you're allowed to talk about, and also let us know where people can find your work and if you are making any appearances anywhere between now and the end of the year, starting in September.

Speaker 4:

Yes, so you can find me at BaydoxyVA on Twitter, baydoxy on Instagram and Baydoxycom oh my gosh, that's me, that's my website, that's me and I have my own domain, which is pretty cool. You can get that. It's pretty easy to get, but I think it's cool. I don't have anything to announce right now, but, hmm, I don't know. I'm kind of a mystery. That's why you follow me and you're like what's she doing now? I forgot the question again, but you can find me at oh, oh, you can also find me on my YouTube channel. There we go At BayDoxie, and I'll be releasing Hopefully by this. When this comes out, I'll have my a few covers released and hopefully a Woke Up cover, because every time anybody sees me, that's all I do is I wrap Woke Up. But yeah, yeah, yeah, and no convention appearances right now. I took a little break.

Speaker 3:

Understandable, yeah, especially because of what we just talked about. So, yeah, 100% yeah, but if you know to keep up with everything as far as Bay's work, once again, everything will be in the show notes of this episode, so make sure you find her there if you want to keep up with the wait for podcast. If maybe you're coming from Bay's community and this is the first time you've ever listened to us also, the link tree link is in the show notes of this and every single episode. If you want to join any of our communities, the best places to follow us would be Instagram, tik TOK, our growing discord channel, as well as Twitch, where we are streaming quite a bit. So all of that is extremely helpful. If you want to support the podcast a little extra, you can go over to Apple Podcasts, spotify, wherever you're listening. Leave a five-star review. Also like share, subscribe on YouTube. And if you want to join a very, very exclusive community and get these episodes super early and get some behind-the-scenes stuff, eric will let you know about that before wrapping us up.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and that's through Patreon, where patrons of the show like Briar T3Kato, vintage Macaroni Corey from the World's my Burrito and Nick Casparo, the author of the Vidalarium series, support us monthly and in exchange for that support, they're getting behind the scenes and early access to episodes like this one. So if you want to be a part of that tight-knit community, definitely support us there, but if you're not in a position to do so, all the free stuff definitely helps. That Phil just mentioned, and it goes a long, long way. Make sure to also check out everything that our guest has going on and, with that being said, my name is Mr Eric Almighty. That is my co-host, phil the Filipino and our guest, bae, and please remember that we release new episodes every Wednesday for the podcast and all you got to do is wait for it.

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