Conversations for Leaders & Teams
E67. Monetizing Passion Through the Art of Conversation with Joseph Umidi
Ever found yourself at an impasse, only to be reinvigorated by a single, impactful conversation? Dr. Joseph Umidi, the Executive Vice President of Regent University, joins us to share his pivotal moment and how it ignited his passion for harnessing the power of conversation in leadership. Together, we uncover the transformative effect that authentic connections have on retaining and nurturing relationships, drawing parallels between the success in academia and the corporate world.
Venture into the realm where faith intersects with business, guided by a vanguard in Christian coaching. Hear the challenges and triumphs of monetizing purpose and passion, as we delve into the intricacies of technology systems that support client acquisition and community building. The episode wraps up with a candid discussion on the synergy of reflection. Whether you're in leadership, coaching, or simply on a journey of personal growth, this episode is an invaluable wellspring of wisdom waiting to be tapped.
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Ever found yourself at an impasse, only to be reinvigorated by a single, impactful conversation? Dr. Joseph Umidi, the Executive Vice President of Regent University, joins us to share his pivotal moment and how it ignited his passion for harnessing the power of conversation in leadership. Together, we uncover the transformative effect that authentic connections have on retaining and nurturing relationships, drawing parallels between the success in academia and the corporate world.
Venture into the realm where faith intersects with business, guided by a vanguard in Christian coaching. Hear the challenges and triumphs of monetizing purpose and passion, as we delve into the intricacies of technology systems that support client acquisition and community building. The episode wraps up with a candid discussion on the synergy of reflection. Whether you're in leadership, coaching, or simply on a journey of personal growth, this episode is an invaluable wellspring of wisdom waiting to be tapped.
Request Dr. Umidi's E-book Jesus the Master Coach @ JTMC@lifeformingcoach.com
Learn more about ACT (accelerated coach training) with Dr. Umidi @ https://lifeformingcoach.com/accelerated-coach-training/
Check out the Dreamfire Colab @ https://lifeformingcoach.com/
*the above are not affiliate links
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Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
Looking for leader and team development for your organization? Contact us today!
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Hi there, welcome to Conversations where we seek to advance your leader in team excellence by discussing relevant topics that impact today's organizations. Welcome to the show. Well, hey there, and welcome to Conversations where today we have Dr Joseph Humitty, evp of Regent University, responsible for student retention. With a coaching culture, joseph is also the founder CEO of Life-Forming Leadership Coaching, certifying Christian Leadership Coaches globally for 25 years. He is the founder of Imagination Partners, providing online marketing solutions for Christian Coaches and small businesses. Author of five books and numerous articles pertaining to Christian Leadership and Coaching, joseph is also a spiritual father, coach, consultant to numerous pastors and Christian leaders. Welcome to the show, joseph. How are you on this glorious day?
Speaker 2:I am so glad to be here and I love what you're bringing to the table, and thank you for allowing me to be part of it.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Yes, Well, we were on a panel recently a couple months ago I think it is already, or last month and that was on artificial intelligence and I knew at that point. After that discussion, I'm like I need to bring what he's doing onto Conversations. So I appreciate the time that you are giving to the audience of Conversation today. I love.
Speaker 2:Conversations, and I think coaches especially should steward some of the best conversations around.
Speaker 1:That's right, you know it Well, we are stepping into a new year and I know that you talk about business breakthroughs. So how are conversations? The next step to 2024 business breakthroughs. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2:Well, I've been doing business and ministry combined for years, but there was a season when I was kind of not in a very vibrant place. I was on a plateau. I was basically drifting through life. Not good when you're in front of people all the time. I'm supposed to be a spiritual leader and a business leader, and so one day when I went to pick up a gentleman I had never met he's kind of a famous founding board member of many Christian organizations I was hoping he would keep the conversation on a superficial level. Maybe tourists talk, tell me about this. Just a 20 minute drive is all it's going to show firm. But when he stood up in the restaurant and said I recognize you, dr Middy, from your website, glad to meet you, can I ask you a question? And then he laid the question on me that changed my life. He said if you keep doing in the next three years what you've been doing in the last, where will you be in terms of God's purpose and passion in your life? And like a deer in the headlight, I just stunned. Then all of a sudden I told him what I just told you, kelly, and that is I'm not in a good place. And anyway, 20 minutes later, he had only asked me five questions and it got me into a tailspin of reflection in which I came out of it and made a commitment that I was going to try to have one of those conversations to bring breakthrough every day and, if possible, I would train tens of thousands of people in my lifetime to do it. A year later I met him and I said what happened that day? That's very unusual. I'm trying to follow your footsteps. He said.
Speaker 2:Before I met you, I made two decisions. Number one I decided that I unconditionally loved you. That was new to me. I thought I had to get to know people and like them and their values first. And he said secondly, I pray that you'd have a breakthrough in one conversation. And it happened. So I'm all about passing the baton, or keeping the movement going, and I think you mentioned, kelly, that at Regent, when I became a coach and coach trainer, I brought it into the organization, which I hope every coach on this call gets to do is that bring it in, bring it the influence and start not just with coaching but with conversations and even modeling, hopefully training people.
Speaker 2:So I did what this guy started me to do. I called it real talk instead of it's based out of Luke 24, instead of when they said not, our hearts burn within us while he talked with us along the road. So, without stained glass, just the plain glass, how can our conversations do that? So I tried to model that. And, kelly, I don't know about you, but I had to be intentional about this because I'm basically an introvert.
Speaker 2:I'm with my wife in the car and we're driving two and a half hours to Richmond from where we are. I'm talking to myself in my head the whole time, thinking I'm having a great time. She's sitting there and anyway she says honey, can I remind you of some? Yeah, what? The conversation, the quality of our conversation, is a barometer of the quality of our relationship.
Speaker 2:Oh right, so I trained 1700 staff at the university it's the university of about I think it's 13,000 now, mostly online. But I trained them to have retention conversation, basically how to let someone feel prized, special, honored, how to somehow know something about their hopes, dreams and fears within the first conversation if possible. And out of that we moved the needle, not just made the entire effort, but I was a key part of training people. We moved the needle from, I think, 86% retention rate to over the next two years, 92% and Kelly and a university that spends so much money to get students. The game is retention and if you can move the needle, one dot on a. If you have 10,000 or more students, that saves the university a million dollars a year. So that's a million dollar training. I didn't get anything from it, but I got the satisfaction of passing on what he had done with me that day when I met him and took him for that 20 minute drive.
Speaker 1:And retention if we move that into an organization, right? So we're talking about students here. And think about it as an organization really being able to retain the people, the good people that you have. It costs more to train up new people than it is to keep your good people and keep them happy and engaged.
Speaker 2:Well, you know in your work. People don't leave jobs, they leave relationships and in the kingdom, whether you're in the kingdom or not, the economy or the currency of the kingdom of God is relationships. But the currency of relationships is conversation. So if people are going to have better managerial supervision, peer direct report conversations that are not like a one size fits all but a tailor made, honoring way, you're going to retain more employees and you're going to be a better relational leader for sure. So that's kind of what I live for is relational leaders that really honor, create a culture of honor within any organization, starting in the home with your kids, let alone in the church or the community or the corporation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I mean we are built on relationships and, like you said, whether it's at home or at work or at play, all those areas it is so important, and that's one thing that I am passionate about is really developing relationships, and the work that I do many times is with teams and so really bringing into uncovering what does this relationship look like as a team and are you really a team? Because it is based on the relational capital that they have.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I got this contract, but I had a large hotel chain that wanted to be in the top 10 of customer service excellence, to like five star, and so they heard that I do coaching and their definition was just tell people what to do, and here's the checklist make sure they do it. I said, well, that'll help your frontline staff to serve, but I think there's so many other things that aren't on your list that they're never going to serve unless they have a heart for it. Well, the problem was, kelly, they didn't have a heart. The managers for their frontline staff, they looked down at them. They weren't as educated they, basically, and so I started to train them in conversation. That quickly knew hey, you can do the techniques of a conversation, but if you don't have a heart for a conversation, it's just a gimmick. Anyway, I asked this question to start. Ask your frontline staff this question before you kick your feet out a bit in the morning and they touch the ground and you think about coming to work today. What are you really looking forward to and to their amazement, like 78% said to send as much money back to our uncles and aunts and friends in our home country because they're in such poverty.
Speaker 2:While the managers were cut to the quick, in their conscience this is a secular organization. But they realized these people, uneducated, had higher family values and were living more sacrificially than we were. Something shifted and they began to honor their staff. All of a sudden the staff reports came in. Customers said I came to your hotel, I had a bad back. I asked her another pillow. Your frontline staff said I'm sorry, we're out of pills, but wait, I'll find a way. That was the common expression. But wait. And they stuffed the pillow case with towels. Customers said best sleep I've had. I'm coming back here next month when I come through. And they found all the ways outside the checklist because they had a heart to serve the customers, because the managers had a heart to serve their staff. So you're right, relationships make all the difference. In conversations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, as you were talking, something popped up for me. I was when I was researching my book. I was talking with this organization and it was interesting that their employee engagement surveys they found they really dug deep and they were really looking into loyalty as well and their most loyal employees were ones who lived the furthest away. Wow yeah, which was really interesting. So it does take digging in and understanding your people and, when it comes to coaching and developing those conversations and those relationships, not being afraid to dig deeper. We're not looking in the rear view mirror, but we do need to dig deeper and find out a little bit more about who the person is in front of us.
Speaker 2:So you got 18, 19 year old, 20 year old kids. They've been through COVID, they've been locked down, they haven't been to their high school prom, they're living on social media, they're basically don't know how to relate to people and they feel like a number, to start with unknown. So I said I'll do with you what I did for the staff at the university. So, Kelly, do you know the meaning of your name? Kelly? Any, exact any meaning come to your mind? Yes, why are your parents? Why strength, and you know why your parents gave you that name?
Speaker 1:I've had this conversation. I have had that conversation. I'm trying to think what the answer was.
Speaker 2:So Kelly is a great name. Strength. Is there any nickname that you recall? I know I've been called a lot so I'm not too good, but that you really liked stood out, or anybody else's name? That's a metaphor for your life right now.
Speaker 1:Geez, not a nickname, because they were negative and they came from my older brothers.
Speaker 2:They aren't those older brothers.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But anyway, one of the idea is I say to the staff when you meet a student, hey, ask them. Hey, hi, what's your name? Oh, do you know the meaning of your name, know why your parents gave that name? Is there any nickname? And all of a sudden they begin to feel known.
Speaker 2:I am known, somebody knows something about me that nobody else does, and that I am known is such an important part of retention within the first three to six months that at least six people know something about me other than my student number. That's very important for people to be known. And there's a in South Africa. There's a tribe that when they see you they say Sababuna and it means actually I see you and the response is something like Suwabana or something and it means I am known. So because you see me, I am known. So I think conversations really start with seeing somebody beyond the surface and being curious and interested enough, as any coach should be with a client. But doing it in an organization brings a coach approach without coaching but with presidents connecting and seeing that people feel like I am known, I belong, I matter, I'm loyal, I'm part of this organization. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So why is this, then, the ideal time to implement transformational coaching at work, and I know that you talked about, even like with COVID, and the things that people have experienced.
Speaker 2:Well, I think you brought it up earlier and that says when we met over the AI workshop the AI is an amazing movement that's just sweeping the earth and basically it just overwhelms you with so much information access, and so the reason why transformational coaching is more important now than ever is because, as companies rush to the AI solutions, they can easily underplay the relational, the conversational, the connection. All the things we've been talking about can take more of a backseat to get more transactional in the information and less transformational in the approach to leadership, teams, management, coaching and so forth. So I think there's a healthy balance between the two, because AI is not going away, but now's the time that the coaching movement steps into that and makes sure there's a nice partnership between AI I call artificial intelligence and transformational intelligence. I wrote a book called Transformational Intelligence subtitled Creating Cultures of Honor at Home and at Work, and anyway, I came up with some ideas on that that I enjoy having people assess their level of cultural intelligence, relational intelligence of course there's emotional intelligence, spiritual intelligence, conversational intelligence.
Speaker 2:Anyway, there's lots of intel that I look at. We need to be intelligent. So the question isn't how intelligent are you? Your IQ, how are you intelligent?
Speaker 1:That's a real question.
Speaker 2:You're right.
Speaker 1:Well, I'd love to turn there into really maximizing the innovative marketing tech that you have and that I know. That seems to be right on time. So I would love for you to talk about the platform that you have and what you're doing. That's fun around that.
Speaker 2:Well being in one of the early pioneers of Christian coach training. I'm a slow boat to China when it comes to marketing and tech. I'm old school Put me in front of people, let me do a workshop or seminar, and so I didn't do hardly any marketing. In fact, what was supposed to be just an experiment at the university to see if it would kick in, it became an amazing phenomena, and it wasn't because of me. The people that I trained did it all. But I had world-class facilities, world-class administration and world-class marketing already in place because I was doing elective training for coach training for students that already were marketed into the university. I didn't have to do any marketing. And then when they said, you can't do this anymore because we're getting federal money for scholarships and you're not a recognized federal, oh, so now I was starting over to learn how to do those marketing and had some miserable attempt, because I am not a tech person and I tried to do it alone and didn't work. So finally I got a team together and we researched what we could do and that would somehow still keep our coaching authenticity or coaching voice or coaching presence in the marketing, and we did combine a number of pieces on a platform. That's amazing, that's integrated.
Speaker 2:The key that I found, kelly, is systems. If you work the system, the system works. Most small businesses or coaches do not have a system. They have a one-off attempt to do this. They don't have a system that works for them that they have to keep working. So the integration of so many pieces that allow customer acquisition, client acquisition, customer nurture, client nurture, the ability to create a following.
Speaker 2:For instance, in my company I have an old, tired list of about 5,000 people that have been around since 2000,. Right, heard everything I'm going to say. They like me, but it's just so. I didn't know what to do. I've used my own system and I've built 2,000 people that are kind of raving fans within like three to four months and that's a whole new refreshing for me to have those people hungry for what I can bring and the old people appreciate some new blood in that team anyway.
Speaker 2:So that platform I think, if I could put it this way, one of my nicknames they can never pronounce my last name anyway, right is Dr Dreamfire Strikes Again. Dream, you know, it's not Dalfire, that's the old movie back with Robin Williams. Robin Williams, right, you and I go way back, but dream is your purpose, fire is your passion. The intersection of the two really ignite.
Speaker 2:So I'm good at igniting purpose and passion in conversations or coaching or even in systems, but Holy Spirit's convicted me Stop it unless you can help them monetize it, because there's too many hope deferred makes the heart sick. Dead dreams that have not come true missed the time. You name it. People don't want to dream and get disappointed again. So I realized I was not going to do any more igniting Dreamfire unless I had a platform that actually was proven to get coaches, clients or small business people more customers. And I've been working on it for over two years. And so we're there now and we're actually launching it end of January, and we'd love to have any of your tribe tested out, taken for a test run, if they'd like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome, yeah, and, as I said, it's like right on time what you're doing and, yes, you've been, you know, two years in the making and it's ready to launch. I think that that's fantastic and I do like that. It does take the place of so many other subscriptions, if you will, that people have yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean when you're a solopreneur or solo coach and you're not techie, because most coaches as you know, kelly, they love transformation but they don't like sales or marketing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so if you have to start also learn how to plug this and play this and connect this oh my gosh, it's the people throwing the towel really, really quick. I know I think our organization, which is small, now we've dumbed it down and this is fine, but we trained probably 15,000 coaches in 29 countries, 14 languages, and again, most of those coaches are internal. They love coaching and the job they already have maybe they're on staff of church or whatever but those that are looking for a healthy, passive income are frustrated by having to do it on their own and do all this tech, and so we really believe that we found a way that you don't longer have to be alone to get clients. You can do it in community. You can do it with mentoring and teaching. You can do it with tools that work and almost run themselves.
Speaker 2:When you see how easy it is, I think it's about time for that to come forth where and actually it's there's a lot of AI in that that helps a coach. Get a webinar out there, a free webinar. Get a, get your teaching, get your chapter of your book, get whatever you're doing it, and that's it. I realize you probably know this, Kelly. People don't buy coaching. They buy solutions and results and most coaches don't know they're niche enough or the needs of their niche, or a way to approach them and to serve them that is in the voice of their niche. And so, with that said, our platform creates a collaboration in the community to really help them to get that and to get it finally for 2024, to get it right.
Speaker 1:And I love that. And I also you mentioned about monetizing and if we're talking to Christian coaches, many times money is like something that they don't want to make more of. They're just happy doing what they're doing, and it's always money is not a dirty word. The way that I consider money is that the more that I can make, the more that I can give, and it took a really shift in mindset for me to understand that and to be okay, having a really nice contract and having money coming in and bringing people along on that contract, and so I think that there needs to be a mindset shift with some coaches not all, but some coaches with money.
Speaker 2:You hit the nail on the head on that one. Because I've been so international in third world countries and so forth, the first thing I needed to do for anybody to afford my coach training was to scholarship them. But the problem was I've mortgaged by a lot of my company by not having made enough money to create a scholarship fund. Instead, I just gave it away, and so I still have to pay my trainers. Where did I pay them from? Well, from my job. So I realized that most people have a heart to help others, especially if they can't afford your services. But the way to do that is, like you're saying, create a nice income stream in which you then can have the freedom, the opportunity to be a benefactor and to help them. Scholarship, if you choose to do that. Right, yep.
Speaker 1:All right. So what is one of the top three things our listeners can do now to monetize their core purpose and passion?
Speaker 2:So I am a proponent of SEA, which I don't know where I ever got that term from, but it's important that you get it in the order.
Speaker 2:You first offer people support for what the tools, their relational capital, whatever they need to move forward. And then you offer encouragement, because when they get discouraged, when they hit the wall in their workout, whatever, you've got to be there. And then third is accountability, which only comes third after the support and encouragement, and it's only accountability to what they ask you to be accountable to, which is a coach approach, you know, but SEA without SEA any of you in the listening audience today that can make a successful coaching career or get clients as a small business person or coach, without SEA, well thanks, you've ruined it for the rest of us mortals, because if you do that, you might as well take all the one and other verses out of the Bible because they're not needed anymore, right? So I have a real theology about this that I am so ruined for the ordinary, kelly, that anything I'm teaching or preaching on, you know, marriages or something I never offer a webinar seminars, anything without doing SEA within the webinar seminar and then offering it on the other side of it, making sure that they started it and that they can do it for the next three, five, six, eight weeks afterwards to really lock in. You know, the momentum which is the second thing, and that is SEA gives you momentum. Momentum is real. I don't know why I've become a rabbit football fan after not even being interested in it for years, but I'm watching the momentum shift. All these teams that were great are now losing. And momentum my team is losing. Momentum is a real deal. So if you're how do I put this?
Speaker 2:If you're boiling I don't have the exact science on this, kelly, but if you're boiling water and you just you want to, you know, get it quicker, you know you get that egg boiling quicker. You turn up one degree of heat. One degree of heat, you know. But when it gets just before the boiling point, it takes so much more energy to boil the water than it just be in that phase of liquid water. That is not one more degree to get there, it's hundreds of energy. You need to turn it all the way up, because boiling is a major phase change.
Speaker 2:So what that means, I think, is that if you really are looking for significant phase change in your personal coaching, calling your business in 2024, you just can't tip it up a notch in your own energy. You need the additional phase change energy of SEA, other people like-minded, to really support and encourage and hold you accountable, to get the momentum for that water to boil and that without that, I'm afraid too many of us take two steps forward and then one step back, or one forward and two back. The momentum has to shift and momentum is real and when it shifts long enough, it stays where it is and doesn't go back, and that's where this community, no longer alone do you need to try to make it work. You can do this in community with what we're all doing, with what you're doing in your wonderful e-magazine and your conversational podcast. You're creating communities of SEA and I appreciate you for that.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you. Well, we weren't designed to do life alone, to work alone it's. It's just you know how the Lord has just put it in our hearts, and we need to be open to that in Community because, as you were talking before about you know, coaches love to serve people, but they don't necessarily like the other things that go along with running a business, that you can talk to anybody in a profession and it can be. Their heart is somewhere, but there's things that they just don't like to do and it's always about, you know, collaborating and being with others.
Speaker 2:So I appreciate because I've been at one job for 38 years. I'm now an expert at them, at the life message, making a living doing what you love. Because there's plenty of parts of my job different Regimes I've served under that I haven't loved at all. I hate it and a lot of it has to with admin, that kind of stuff. But I found ways through SCA and other things, to really Making an adventure, make it a game, you know, making a challenge that I could do, rather than feel like I get frustrated, stressed or feel like I have to quit. So I'm not saying you should stay at one job 38 years, but I am saying you can do the things that you don't like to do or don't know how to do in a way that's a lot more fun and an adventure than you ever imagined.
Speaker 1:It's about fun and adventure. That's what.
Speaker 2:I like I do too. That's One of the things that's my passion is that I'm If you. If I could do one thing in 2024, it would be take a bunch of executives on to Safari or some kind of Eco tour and I'm too old to do everything they would do. But I would be their photographer because I love the adventure of photography. And then, around the campfires at night around the world, I would have the coaching conversations, unpacking what their aha was and you know to the reason.
Speaker 2:That's important is because you have to get off sight to really get insight, and Too many of our leaders are so caught up in the, you know, the corporate, in structures and then the environment. They they've got to get out of there and that's why, when Jesus touched a blind man, he said well, what do you see? Well, I see men like trees walking. Touch of the second time. My principle is a lot of leaders need to see the trees Before they see the creator and they have to get them out of their environment where they can actually have an experience and unpack it with the coach that they then get in touch with creation and the creator and my oh my, that'll change everything in their lives.
Speaker 1:And reflection is one of those things and this goes right along with what you're saying is they Leaders don't take time to sit down and reflect and it is so Powerful when they can do that. What would you say might be one or two techniques for a leader To reflect as they're moving into the new year? Is they're looking, maybe to change some things up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. It is the most atrophied must muscle in our Western Business culture is the art of reflection. I, I agree, and so yeah, it's. Everybody says with journal, yeah, well, that's harder than you think when you haven't exercised those muscles right in a while. So I think you've got to find something like photography, like taking walks with music on, like Getting into some other rhythm that actually produces the ability to see things from another perspective, to think, like you said, mindset shift, your mindset in a different way. So I think reflection is Really needed more than ever. But you've got to find a tarot, made way for it to work for you and typically Any kind of exercise, which is another issue. But on the other side of exercise, you is the some of the best time to reflect where you actually you know had done something and and you get into that zone of that mood where you can actually think more creatively, think more Intentionally, more focus, and that's some of my best reflection time is after our exercise.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. What do you find is in that, those moments like what is it that changes for you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when I'm get off the exercise bike, you know, and I really breathe heavily and I just have, I've my whole. The whole breathing thing is so powerful I've got asthma. So I've learned that breathing is like everything. If you breathe through your nose it makes all the difference in oxygen agitation. That's just an amazing science that never knew about. So I had the asthma and so by heavy breathing you actually can get into a zone where what you think and feel and Are actually in more of an alignment they seem to be congruous and Enables you to meditate on scripture better, enables you to think about Planning your your next week or month in your business or ministry or your coaching better. There's an amazing creativity that comes on the other side of some kind of exercise for me anyway, that is terrific.
Speaker 1:Well, I have appreciated you so much in your transparency and really what you brought to this conversation today. I'd love to point people in your direction. So how could we do that?
Speaker 2:So you know I've written a few books, but what's the, what's the? Called Magnus Opus. You know whatever that means. It's your Latin word for your. You know, I don't know what it even mean, but it my biggest, biggest book is called Jesus the Master Coach, and the subtitle I like better than the title. It's called how the 100 questions of Jesus enable anyone, anywhere, any time, to have life-changing interactions, and so I like to give that to your listeners, your people on your magazine or your podcast, and the only way I can do it is if they send an email, I'll send them the book.
Speaker 1:All right and we.
Speaker 2:It's an e-book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can put that in in the show notes for them.
Speaker 2:Okay so here's. So Jesus the Master Coach. So here's what you would do. Jtmc, that stands for Jesus the Master Coach, jtmc at. Here's where it gets a little more difficult. Lifeformingcoachcom that's a long word, that's my company's name, my nonprofit lifeformingcoachcom. So it's jtmc at lifeformingcoachcom and we'll send you the e-book and be glad to do that. If anyone's interested in Jumping on that platform at the end of January when we launch it, we'd love to have you. You can get on there, kick the tires and so forth. That's going to be an exciting group of people that are coaches getting clients or businesses, and that would typically be, I think, 95 For the membership, but we're gonna Somehow. If they want to even check it out, it'll be 65 a month For anybody that says I'm with dr Kelly To check that out and we'll let them even jump in for free for the first couple weeks to see what it's about. So that'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:I do coach training, so if there's anybody that wants to become a coach, I'd love it. And I only do it like Maybe twice a year and so, and I only do it in a group of about 12. So I got that ACT accelerated coach training plus, and the plus is I give them everything that I can out of my Santa Claus bag of leadership tools this and that kind of just. I'm in the states of my life when I used to have all my trainers trained and I never had time for it, and now I'm just doing a few trainings myself. I am launching another ACT group, uh, in the end of January. So, in addition to existing coaches that need clients, I can help people become a transformational coach to a Christian perspective. So those are the things that I'm passionate about Is getting my book and the conversation that will result from it To a new level and helping businesses and coaches Find that sea platform to really make a difference in 2024. So love to have some of your tribe in there, kelly. Excellent.
Speaker 1:Well, we appreciate you. You are just full of wisdom and fun, and I like that. Yeah, so until next time, you keep doing great things and we'll see you soon. Thank you so much. Okay, bye, bye, you, you, you.
