We celebrate our 40th episode with a very esteemed guest, Dr Peniel E Joseph, and we have a very relevant and very necessary conversation around white supremacy and anti-racism. Dr Joseph is an American historian at the University of Texas in Austin and is considered a leading public voice on race issues. He has written numerous books, and his latest book "The Sword and the Shield" was released in March 2020. It is the dual biography of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, and it sets the historical record straight on a couple of important points related to these two prominent leaders, but also the Civil Rights Movement as a whole. We look at the problems created by the conventional narrative of the Civil Rights Movement. How should we teach the Civil Rights Movement? Why did Dr King feel contempt for white liberals? How successful was the Civil Rights Movement in bringing about racial equality in the US? What is at the heart of #BlackLivesMatter? Why are statues coming down in the US, and why are there calls to "defund" the police? "This is a time of bearing moral witness, and having the courage to speak out against social injustices." You can reach Dr Joseph on the twitter handle @PenielJoseph. The two books he mentioned are Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility" and Ibram X Kendi's "How to Be an Antiracist."