Aaron spends an hour with Dr. OJ Oleka and they discuss everything from leading during a pandemic, to education as a path out of poverty, to being black and politically conservative in 2020. At one point OJ mentions this book which we said would be in the show notes: Black Elephants in the Room: The Unexpected Politics of African American Republicans (George Gund Foundation Book in African American Studies), https://www.amazon.com/dp/0520291905/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_4P5XFb61MSCP0
Special thanks to PNC Bank for being our presenting sponsor.