Ep 345, The Pass Rush with Stevie Lee: RT apologized about Horns Down, Sark's dominating the Portal Path to Tuscaloosa, and the NFL playoffs

Ever find yourself chuckling at a nostalgic trip down memory lane, only to be thrust into the high-stakes world of college sportsmanship moments later? That's exactly where we take you in our 345th show, as we kick things off with a throwback to Little Debbie snacks and viral "big Deborah" laughs before navigating the turbulent seas of college athletics. We tear into UT's basketball team drama, Rodney Terry's coaching passions, and the delicate balance of victory and defeat that can unite or tear apart a team. With the human element of sports in the spotlight, we dissect Terry's heartfelt post-game apologies and the lessons they offer in emotional intelligence and leadership.

Transitioning from nostalgic treats to the treat of freedom, we explore the transfer portal's impact on college football. The episode unpacks Casey Thompson's journey through the lens of player mobility, drawing parallels between the decisions athletes and coaches face when switching teams. We tackle the stigma surrounding student-athletes who transfer, while celebrating the likes of Coach Prime's fresh start at Colorado amidst the recruiting minefield. Here, we debate the fine line between opportunity and criticism and the personal cost that comes with pursuing collegiate athletic dreams.

Finally, we slam dunk into the world of professional football and college basketball legends, juxtaposing the Texans' defensive efforts against Baltimore with the Dallas Cowboys' playoff woes through a Sports Illustrated retrospective. Our trip through time examines the evolution of college basketball's golden eras, from the Fab Five to Carmelo Anthony's unforgettable 2003 season. The show culminates with a high-flying homage to a recent dunk from Stephen F. Austin State University and a playful auditory test that's sure to leave you questioning your perception—or just offering a good laugh. Strap in for a ride through the emotional highs and lows, the debates, and the deep dives into the heart of what makes sports more than just a game.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:03

You, you. Stevie Lee, we begin with a logo little Debbie snacks. Can you guess why we're leading off here with little Debbie? I don't know man you know, did you eat these as a child? Absolutely, it's a great company, and what about to show you is just a simple joke. Simple joke from one of our Southern TikTok comedians, justin Nunley. I have made a TikTok purchase and I thought it was too hilarious. It involves little Debbie and We've got big Deborah big Deborah, little David and turn into big Deborah big Deborah.

Speaker 1: 1:28

Hey age will do that to.

Speaker 1: 1:31

And those little Debbie snacks for sure, whoa whoa man, I'll tell you what those snacks are. The truth, I mean, they sold them at our middle school. I just I couldn't wait to show you, couldn't wait. I got to get Chloe out of here, not not out here, but just out of the podcast studio here. But yeah, episode 345, we're cranking them out and there's a lot to talk about. But Stevie and I had to really narrow it down. Narrow down our focus For this episode of the pass rush with these Stevie, lee and you know, because I think even our Big family supporters here, hard girl roofing would would appreciate that we narrow things down, because that's what they do. They narrow it down to quality and we all know their famous slogan, because you can see it, but it sounds better when Stevie says it.

Speaker 1: 2:26

Our girl roofing knows on your room, that's right always, always, and you can call Mary and actually talk to her sometimes. One thing that I think it's such a busy week and we'll date it back to earlier in the week. That was this previous week. You know, rodney take Rodney, terry, excuse me, longhorn through and through played at St Edward's, was part of Barnes of staff and, of course, chris Beard staff and we all know what happened over a year ago. But last week when UCF marched into town, texas blew a 16-point lead and Then the horns down happened. Ucf pulled off the win at the Moody Center. You know what horns down doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me. I almost expect it from any team anywhere, especially on the road. But RT in the handshake lines Told those players you don't do that, just stood up for it. He was offended by, but he was in the emotion. Your thoughts on that? After the UCF game.

Speaker 2: 3:43

Yes, I Hear you, it doesn't bother you, it doesn't bother a lot of people, but when you end the heat of it, it really it bothers me. But Rodney did the right thing, rt did the right thing by apologizing, but it does bother me. Yeah, no, in the heat of the game, in between the lines and things like that, you can do it. But the game is over, you won, we're shaking hands. Why do it then in front of the players like it's, it's, it's, it's all. It's being disrespectful to the opponent. The game, the sportsmanship of it right. You can do it during the game, in between the lines, from player to player, right. But when you go in, do it with the against the fans. And then you know, when you're trying to say good game, great sportsmanship, good game, this was fun, let's do it again sometimes, or something like that, you know right. Then you know. And so RT, again, he did the right thing by apologizing. Those are kids, you know. But you know, when he said we don't do that, you know they started talking back to him, you know, as as they were adults Talking to our kids talking to an adult, and it is just, it is disrespectful.

Speaker 2: 5:23

But RT has to be, control his emotions. But I mean, I get where he's coming from. Man, you want to say something, you want to do something about it, but you, that's why you got to win the game. So yeah, so make that argument too. But you know, it's. You know, once we win the game, they wouldn't do that and they. But when we win the game, we wouldn't go up and do what they don't like either. You know what I mean. So it's, it's. I'm glad he apologized for it. Well, I wasn't looking for an apology, but I Were looking for one. They got it.

Speaker 1: 6:08

Well, think about it, for here's what I want to say. Listen, I used to be offended by it. Yeah, they used to hate it.

Speaker 1: 6:17

Used to hate it yeah and what did it for me was realizing. When I was in Oklahoma you know I both covering still water and covering an oarmen for my mom's in the media and I realized I had a more objective mind. I said, you know what? It's ridiculous, but people love to beat Texas and that's just part of what makes college sports great, in the sense that there's the fandom part of it. There's extreme fandom, but I agree with you Rodney Terry is one of the greatest human beings I have ever met. Just a good human being.

Speaker 1: 6:57

His faith is strong, deeply rooted Christian, but just a good human being and like any human, he lost control of his motions there and for. But we also gotta remember for a team like UCF, this is their first year in the Big 12. And for them to come into Austin, they had beaten Kansas just days prior. Remember correctly, all right, and that's a big deal for anybody to come in here, even more so for Central Florida. They lost control of their emotions Because we just beat Texas in Austin and here is the apology after Texas. Remember Baylor was ninth in the country this past Saturday and Texas beat them on a buzzer beater layup and this was Rodney afterwards, at the very end, after that huge win which really we can look back and say this turned this season around.

Speaker 3: 7:56

If, again, if I offended some of our fans as well and not handling myself the right way in terms of going about it the right way, then I apologize to our fan base as well and everything. And I understand what it means to be the head coach at the University of Texas and what our brand stands for, and I respect every opponent that we play and have the utmost respect for them and their coaches.

Speaker 1: 8:21

So there was and you alluded to it. That's, he's probably thought about it and he's being the guy that he is. He thought about it and that's just who he is. It's the good, has humility, and I'm sure maybe maybe CDC and he and CDC had a conversation. Maybe we probably should mention it and backtrack it and realize, hey, shouldn't have done it, but we are all human.

Speaker 2: 8:49

Yeah, yeah, so go ahead. No, so I was gonna say so it's done, we can leave it there. But let that fire you up and not lose at home. Protect, at least protect home court. That's the best point. And that should be your goal every year. Yes, you wanna win every game, but it's basketball. It's not always possible, but protect home court always.

Speaker 1: 9:14

Well when this week started, I swear my mask pretty good, but there were eight teams in the big 12 ranked Really All right, and so their next five games are now faced. We're gonna find out. This team needs to grow up. I mean they've had a lot of new faces. It's not an excuse, but it is. In this era of the transfer portal and everything, not everything, not anyone can walk in and just become the talent that everyone thinks they should, and I'm not giving anyone an excuse, but sometimes I've seen some great teams become great teams because they were far from great early in the year, right around third week of February, and build that momentum to March. I mean this schedule includes it's coming up. We've got U of H coming up here. It's just a lot of great programs. Oklahoma on the road is next and if you don't think that what just happened, that sooner student sex in that by there's gonna be some massive horns down.

Speaker 2: 10:23

Yeah, and that's okay, because that's basically their symbol. They're hand gesture, cause they do that when they don't play us. You know what I mean? They do their weddings sooner. They do their weddings exactly so we learned to expect that. But you know so, somebody else coming from the outside you know doing it as well like it's just, it gets ridiculous. But OU is OU, what's that?

Speaker 1: 10:50

I don't think big Debro. I don't know if she would do a horns down, would she?

Speaker 2: 10:56

I don't know, man, she kind of looked like those OU girls. So oh, wow, what's a big, Big Debro baby, yeah, man.

Speaker 1: 11:09

So I think Texas, now the two and four and a big 12, not even the halfway point of the big 12 schedule. I think now you're gonna see a Texas team finish. If they continue that, I mean Baylor, is that good? Yeah, texas, I think right now I would project in to be at the 20 win mark.

Speaker 5: 11:31

Okay.

Speaker 1: 11:32

Before the NCAA tournament. Now that'll be more than good enough to get them into probably a six seed, maybe seven. Yeah, but you know we talked about Portal guys. This is a good transition to that conversation. I don't know how to navigate it.

Speaker 3: 11:56

I don't know if you have really studied it. I'm trying to.

Speaker 1: 11:58

I don't know how you strategize it, but we don't get paid to do that. But all I got to say is Steve's Archesian and that staff have in mind that they're not gonna be able to do that. I mean, I don't know how to navigate it. I don't know how to navigate it, steve's Archesian and that staff have, in my opinion, kind of figured this thing out.

Speaker 2: 12:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:22

In particular his ties to Alabama.

Speaker 2: 12:25

Yeah, three of them from Alabama to Austin. Man, and that was Isaiah Bond. Yeah, the 32 yard catch in the back of the end zone and the iron bolt to win it.

Speaker 1: 12:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:42

That's crazy that he's gonna be on the 40 acres now you know so. Just like that. Hats off to coach for knowing the rules, playing the rules and buying the rules and actually playing the game right. Because everyone some people that are I think there are some coaches out there that does not like this whole transfer portal.

Speaker 1: 13:08

And I get it.

Speaker 2: 13:09

They're still trying to do it the high school way, and that's fine. But in this new world, you adapt or die. You know, blockbuster had a chance to buy Netflix and now look at Netflix. You know. So you adapt or die, blockbuster. What is that? Yeah, exactly, so Blockbuster didn't adapt, so they died. So coach Sharp is adapting to the rules, adapting to what he can do, and we're still thriving, man, like we had some big. We have some big shoes to fill. That left us, you know, a lot of playmakers on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 1: 13:53

But this does not guarantee that Texas will just insert the key and go. But there's more, you're right.

Speaker 2: 14:00

You're right, but these dudes also have big time college experience right now, right, right. And so a lot of times you take a gamble on high school kids that will be able to handle the spotlights of big time college football. These guys, they have done it. Bond has been on the biggest game on TV, one of the biggest games on TV this year Well, a couple of them with us when they played us in Tuscaloosa. It was a huge primetime game. The Iron Bowl was a huge primetime game and then the national championship of college football playoffs was a huge primetime game. So these guys have been there, done it, and now we're picking them up here.

Speaker 2: 14:55

You know, you're right, it's not just a turnkey. You know they got to get in and work and learn this new system and also, you know, keep your grades up in school. But Shark has proved that he can do it with Atadime Mitchell. Mitchell came over from Georgia. He did. He plopped right into our program, made some huge plays for us this year. I almost made a huge play to win the game this past year in the college football playoffs against Washington. So I'm feeling really, really good about the way they can use the high school recruiting trail and this recruiting, what do you call it? I don't know what you call it. Let's make up a word Recruiting, the portal, transfer, portal trail, you know?

Speaker 1: 15:47

Yeah, yeah. So it's to what you said. It's basically described. Listen, I'm all for the portal, but I'm only for it. You get one transfer where you don't have to sit out and you can do it when you graduate. I get that. You should be able to.

Speaker 2: 16:07

What if you do two transfers but the second transfer? You lose a year.

Speaker 1: 16:10

Well, that's what I mean. You can do that, but I'm talking about once without losing a year. I think that's shit. Yeah, okay, but when you have, listen, I'm all for.

Speaker 1: 16:21

Like Casey Thompson, this is his seventh year. He's going to finish at Oklahoma, where it all began. You know his family. His dad was a quarterback and his brother played there before transferring and I think it went though His brother stay. I can't remember I covered him when he was at Southmore High School, just north of Norman, but I can't remember if he stayed the entire time, but I remember.

Speaker 1: 16:52

But, man, it is. It's essential to have the transfer portal. That's what I'm trying to say. You can't eliminate it, you have to have it. Yeah, because a lot of kids now and this is not a slide on any coach or coach and staff you know kids can make an emotional decisions, or they do their homework and they make a decision and realize after two years, you know what.

Speaker 1: 17:16

This program is not for me or to the academics is not what I want. It's just not. It's just some schools can be overbearing on enough, or people can thrive, realize, wow, I was this highly rated talent, I thought I was this, but now I compete against equal or greater talent in practice and I'm not producing, I'm not playing as much as I thought I should, and there's nothing wrong with that. Get into another system yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. But I want to ask you this and but I will say this, that this right here, amari Nibblak, the tight end. I think that is an instant fill for JT Sanders at tight end. Okay, again, he's got to prove it. But I think you got somebody who's capable of doing it and you've got some depth there with Gunner Helm and some other tight ends.

Speaker 3: 18:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 18:22

I really, I believe it's good, I really do.

Speaker 2: 18:25

I'm all fired up for spring ball. Man, I can't wait to get out there.

Speaker 1: 18:28

Well, I want to ask you this brought up Casey Thompson. I don't like the criticism that kids get. It's their prerogative. And if people criticize a kid and there's a guy, tight end at Miami, Miami hurricane. This is ninth year of college football, I get it. It sounds ridiculous, Stevie, but if people could do it, they could, they would.

Speaker 2: 18:54

Yeah, absolutely. It's not a kid problem, that's a NCAA problem. The system yeah, the system problem for a ninth year. I don't know how you get a ninth year. I would love to hear that broken down. But my argument when people always say, you know, have some negatives say about the transfer portal, is so these kids have to be beholden to a university and these coaches aren't like. The rules didn't change for the coaches. They can get up and leave, just like Bo Davis did.

Speaker 1: 19:29

Right With the LSU.

Speaker 2: 19:31

With the LSU, for I don't know why he would go to LSU just to go back home, because we would have gave him a bag.

Speaker 1: 19:39

His son is transferring to play there.

Speaker 2: 19:42

Oh, he is Okay, I get that, but but he had the right to up and leave if he wanted to. So the kids should have the right to up and leave if they want to. You know, if, if that's just like like Nick Saban, retiring Shark, could have said, woke up the next day and say I want to take over that program, I don't want to be a Texas anymore, and he would have done it and they would have hired him.

Speaker 1: 20:09

They love him, they love Sark yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:13

Exactly, and he would have. They would have open, would have welcomed him with open arms. I am so glad that his wife, l'oreal, was having a great time here in Austin, because she ain't going to know, she ain't going back to the Tuscaloosa. I guarantee you that Now we got a problem. If that USC job open up, he's not gonna go back there.

Speaker 1: 20:34

They won't go back there. He wants to establish his identity here.

Speaker 2: 20:39

I know he does, I know he does, but hey, women in our lives are undefeated, you know.

Speaker 1: 20:45

Always.

Speaker 2: 20:46

Always undefeated. So if she had the opportunity to be the first lady of Trojan football, you know he's gonna be a conversation. He may not go Right, she's gonna have a conversation with him. Hey, hey, babe, let's go to LA, be sure, because this is where we started and in that, where his kids are.

Speaker 1: 21:09

Well, there's one someplace here.

Speaker 2: 21:11

Okay, but his girls aren't they in LA?

Speaker 1: 21:15

That's a good question. I think you're right. I'm not. I don't know for sure.

Speaker 2: 21:18

Yeah. So that's a conversation that he would probably have with her. So, but we're here now. They're in Austin, they're having a great time in Austin. The city of Austin has embraced L'Oreal like they embraced Sally Brown back in the day. You know, that's very similar. Yeah, it's very similar. So she's making a legacy, doing great things here in Austin and the city has embraced her and she's embraced the city. So I knew they weren't going anywhere. They even mentioned it on. Ryan Clark mentioned it on. I think it was the first take, I think it was first take. He mentioned that L'Oreal's not going anywhere, he's not going back to Tuscaloosa and leaving Austin Texas. He said that and I had already wrote that to some friends that like we don't have anything to worry about, she ain't going back there, you know. So there's not a Gucci store in Tuscaloosa, bro.

Speaker 1: 22:17

It's all metal, metal yeah man.

Speaker 3: 22:20

Oh my. God.

Speaker 1: 22:21

Well, stevie, we all know this is nothing new. Negative recruiting has existed for since Daryl Royal or even before that. But there's a lot of negativity toward Coach Prime and that Colorado program and we think we all knew whoever took over that, including Prime. He did the right thing by creating momentum without even playing A cache, and he has that name and I think he did a great job despite them going four and eight One of the first three games. But when you are not deep on the interior lines, your success is limited. Yeah, it's unlimited, and they finished four and eight and I get it so to my point. Apparently there's been a ton of negative recruiting and recruits were recording their visits with other schools and got it recorded on their phones and he talked about that with RG3 on his podcast and I wouldn't say I don't think he made this up. You listen to this and you know I would play he's totally good.

Speaker 2: 23:33

Look at me. I don't really know you. I don't really know you. I wish the best for you, but be careful, because when these kids bring phones into your meeting, you're exposed to certain things.

Speaker 3: 23:47

I'm not gonna put you out there but just keep my name out your mouth.

Speaker 1: 23:54

You know he's not going to dance around or avoid any subject.

Speaker 2: 24:01

Yeah, that's. I hate when that happens, man. It actually happens in my industry as well, in real estate, when you're trying to win a listing. Yeah, it does, it happens. So I like to win and do anything on my own merits. I hate when someone tries to bring someone else down just to hype themselves up. And that's just not, it's not the way you do things, it's not integrity, it's not, and you as a person should not want that. And I'm glad that a kid has let Deon know that. A kid or some kids let Deon know that. And then Deon has. And by him saying that and going to this person addressing it as a man, you need to watch out because you're being recorded and so, here going forward, watch out. That's the advice I give you. The next thing is do a better job of just keeping my name out of your mouth, please. You know, yeah, I believe in karma.

Speaker 2: 25:06

I really do yeah exactly so. That's not the way of doing it. That is negative recruiting and that sucks. You win a kid on your own marriage, not tearing someone else down.

Speaker 1: 25:17

And that's the story of life too. It's what we should just hit. Pause, right when you get that thought of tearing somebody down Right, listen to this one.

Speaker 4: 25:33

Uh, first of all I just want to thank my Lord, my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ has been a heck of a hu of a year and the thing to me cause they don't know. Our future is bright, man, but these type of losses suck. You know that's a great Raven's team over there and they deserve to win and it's tough to just, you know, get embarrassed like that. But definitely I think our future definitely is bright Houston taxi.

Speaker 2: 26:02

Future is bright for those guys, man. I enjoyed watching CJ play in the Texans uniforms. That's off to them for going that far in the in the playoffs and it does suck to lose like that, but they are ahead of schedule. They don't have nothing to worry about or hang their head about. Just do some not recruiting, but some, some Trades and some picks. This year. You know they're one or two players away from being really, really good and just keep building on that program. He's gonna get a whole other year, a whole year offseason under his belt with the defensive offensive coordinators and with the receivers and they don't get their timing down. Even better, they're gonna be a force we reckon without a Houston man and I'm looking forward to seeing it Never what.

Speaker 1: 26:55

I think we would talk about the Texans before the Dallas Cowboys, but the Houston Texans earned that right. I'm not a Texans fan but I completely Respect and put CJ strad on another level. Notice his rookie year over 4,000 yards passing, I think, 25 touchdowns to only five INT's and just a I love it was this. He's very Transparent about his faith and I think that's great for young people to watch. And you know, I think he was what he was coached in California youth football by Snoop Dogg.

Speaker 2: 27:32

Yeah, he was he, was he. He said that Snoop says something about along the lines that CJ dominated his league.

Speaker 1: 27:40

I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. But the Texans, I would venture to say, are gonna be right where. Back here again. I mean they lost to a Baltimore Ravens team that I think could win the Super Bowl. Yeah, big fan of the Mark Jackson, I mean he's got. He's hilarious whenever he speaks. But you know, if we look back at that game, the Texans held their own for a while absolutely they did.

Speaker 2: 28:06

Yeah, we're physical defense.

Speaker 1: 28:08

Yeah, baltimore a hardball and that staff Figured it out and just war Houston's front down.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Yeah, they did they did, but it was fun. It was a fun year for them and it was fun. That game was fun to watch.

Speaker 1: 28:25

There we it was, and we're gonna talk about the Cowboys on in the segment too. But before we get there, sports illustrated man. The future is unknown for this magazine. They laid off everybody and Sports Illustrated has been around for decades. It really was a big part for me and for you, and I had subscriptions multiple times in my life to this great magazine. These are the two on the left and right are two of the more recent ones, involving the longhorns. Of course, stevie, one of the middle, that it was a young man's paradise to get the swimsuit edition. It's not gonna happen anymore. That's the amazingly striking Kathy Ireland man she's. She's still a looker. I.

Speaker 2: 29:16

Don't know who Catherine Ireland Ireland is, but I do. Yeah, you know what else sucks about the sports illustrated. Had a sports illustrated Campus edition.

Speaker 3: 29:30

Yep.

Speaker 2: 29:31

When I was in college, and so that's going away too, I guess. Or that may have gone away a while ago, but it was all Texas sports, but powered by, I guess, sports illustrated. I don't know how I did it, but yeah man, it sucks that they're going away. Hopefully they stay on digitally, or something like that.

Speaker 1: 29:50

Maybe a good rather than it's. It's a bad trend with news articles you're right and it's.

Speaker 2: 29:58

It's like the end of an error, you know, because sports illustrator has been around as long as I can remember. You know, and, and, and people gracing the cover of sports illustrated was something to say yeah, man, such as such. Vince Young was on the sports of the cover of sports illustrated. Derek Johnson, dj, was on the cover of sports illustrator, you know. Or Ricky Williams did the Heisman polls on the cover of sports illustrator, you know that is tornado.

Speaker 1: 30:29

I remember the headline with Ricky.

Speaker 2: 30:30

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's. Uh, that's the end of an error, man. You know, all good things come to an end One. I do have a feeling that somebody will reboot this back up in a few years. Oh, it's a whole thing. I told you earlier adapt or die, right? No, it was illustrated, could have really easily gone to a digital platform pay to that and and it could have. It was big. Sports illustrator was huge. It could have competed, Could have compete with you know ESPN online. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 31:06

Yeah so, like when I go online to go and Find scores and things like that, I just go to my ESPN app. Sports Illustrated could have easily gone on to be a news app, you know yep and cbs sports has elevated their digital platform to compete exactly you got to adapt or die man and look like sports. Illustrating is a is a dot is dying.

Speaker 1: 31:29

Yeah, and it's. I have adventure to say they'll come up with something, but I hope it does. I Wow. That sports illustrated edition was something else. It really was, that's from su edition. Yeah, that was something.

Speaker 2: 31:43

Our great ones that did the uh, the athletes.

Speaker 1: 31:46

They sure did. Oh yeah, that was always fun too. Man, that was fun. You never really don't really see them what they look like and out of uniform. You know it's interesting, but we know how stevie feels about hard girl roofing and giving tutorials on how to set up a business strategy at hard growth. We'll see you on the other side of this break.

Speaker 5: 32:06

Here at hard girl roofing. Uh, we try to think outside the box to kind of get the creative juices flowing. So I brought in my friend stevie lee, former defense tackle for the texas longhorns. Um, he's gonna help the team strategize, really motivate them light of fire.

Speaker 2: 32:20

This guy's gonna block down. This guy's gonna block down. You. Put your butt into the guard and that way my mike linebacker gets free to do what.

Speaker 5: 32:30

Not only are they gonna learn a thing or two, but they're gonna also leave with a great attitude and a bunch of smiles on their faces.

Speaker 4: 32:37

I'm sorry. What does this have to do with roofing exactly?

Speaker 2: 32:41

get out.

Speaker 3: 32:43

Right now.

Speaker 2: 32:44

I said get out.

Speaker 5: 32:48

For me, that's what it's all about. It's just having fun making our employees have a great time. Hard girl roofing know who's on your roof.

Speaker 3: 33:13

That's all we have put your damn championship on the table and you're gonna do it.

Speaker 2: 33:22

All this is gotta go.

Speaker 1: 33:25

Man, that's passion. That was right after the cowboys were absolutely effing destroyed in the uh wild card playoff round last week. Stevie, what were your thoughts? Because we really didn't get an opportunity to really break it down. I love the passion, but he was talking about the older cowboys. When he Became a cowboy in 88, the last year of time, landry's era, you know, guys like drew Pearson, hollywood Henderson, roger Stalbach, all those greats, all those greats and listen, we all put championships On the table here for the cowboys. It's time for you to bring it back, yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:10

I don't know man, it was something off between Dak and CD lamb. That game too, man, I felt like CD was pouting the last game. I felt like CD was pouting a little bit During that game. I don't know what was going on and I haven't heard what was going on, but um, they weren't on the same page offensively. Um, I don't know man. Uh, defense, I mean, I don't think that they were horrible defensively. Dak threw two interceptions and one was a pick six, right, or was it two pick six?

Speaker 1: 34:47

But I don't put listen. That contributed to the loss, obviously, but I don't think Dak's at fault for this game. I think the game play. I don't think so either. I don't think he's at fault.

Speaker 2: 34:59

I don't think he's at fault for the game. So I think that Dak played well, other than those two pick sixes, and I think the defense played well. I don't think that there was a lot of togetherness, continuity within the offense. Like I said, cede was palpating during the game. I don't know what was going on there. The O-line was not gelling like they usually jail on the ground game. Dak was running for his life for a lot of the game, but it was bad. It was. It was bad and I was sure and yeah, and Michael Irving should have been pissed because it was like they did not come out to play a playoff game In the NFL. Your game definitely supposed to elevate during the playoffs and they did not elevate. They just thought it was a middle of the season type game.

Speaker 1: 36:07

Well, I'll say this and we'll pick up the pace on this. Defensively, that's where they lost this game and that number one the receivers were covered up by a zone defense the entire game. Two, the defensive game plan by Quinn was horrible, but to his defense somewhat, they played a dime package for a majority of the game six defensive backs. There was no presence of a linebacker, layton Van Der Esch, who's injured, I would venture to say here in the off season they're going to cut him and probably draft or find in the free agent market some solid linebackers. And because if you don't have good enough linebackers, especially in the middle, what we saw happen in that playoff game is going to happen Now.

Speaker 1: 37:01

Not taking anything away against Green Bay, they're really good and they're just like the Texans. Their future is really bright, with love at QB, even though they got knocked out of the playoffs on Saturday. But that's a good team, good Green Bay team. But the physicality and the flexibility, if you will, defensively doesn't exist. With that personnel, parsons was basically equalized. Green Bay found a way to get him where he was not effective, out of that game. Ok, I give you that. I guess the game plan by Green Bay. They executed a great game plan. They took Michael Parsons out of that game for the most part.

Speaker 2: 37:52

Yeah, yeah. Well, Dallas defense gave up 34 points, and that's the problem. Yes, they scored 48, but that was on two pick sixes, but the Dallas Cowboys as a whole. If you score 34 points, you can still win the game. You know what?

Speaker 3: 38:19

I mean.

Speaker 2: 38:22

If you're a Dallas Cowboys and your opponent scored 34 points, you have enough weapons on your team to score more than 34 points. You can still win the game. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that through those two interceptions for pick sixes, I would have rather I don't know what I'm saying. I think that I don't want to call the defense out and say the defense played horrible, because, as I watched the game, it's hard to justify them not playing horrible when they scored 48 points. But as I watched the game, there was this being but don't break type mentality. You know you disagree.

Speaker 1: 39:14

I just think, when you allow a running back, who's a young running back?

Speaker 2: 39:19

That's true.

Speaker 1: 39:20

Jones to just gas you.

Speaker 2: 39:23

Yeah, but we saw a U-Tip running back too. Yeah, he did. Gas him up the middle, you're right OK great game. I could be a man. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before.

Speaker 1: 39:37

I've been wrong a lot, but when you look at the offseason you know Jerry Jones told them in the team meeting we have to win now. Yeah, everybody, every one of them. So I'll say this Dax not going anywhere, but I think he would thrive in another system. But what do the Cowboys do? You need another running back, number one. I love Pollard, but he's not your number one guy. He's a good running back. He's a good running back. He thrived when he had Zeke ahead of him.

Speaker 2: 40:12

So they should have tried to take Bijon then. Huh, potentially Last year they should have did everything because they had a chance to get him right. You had to trade up.

Speaker 1: 40:24

Yeah, but I think you've got to trade now to rework your defense, focus on your defense, get another receiver and a running back and, do I say, draft a quarterback.

Speaker 2: 40:41

No, dax still got years with him, I think in him. I think Jerry needs to lean on some experts to see what kind of system he needs to get in for Dax. I think it's easier to replace the system than it is the quarterback, because Dax has the arm, dax has the legs, he's intelligent. Dax is still fairly young. He probably have another four years in him. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 41:17

Yeah, I think three to four years.

Speaker 2: 41:20

Three to four years. So I would replace my system around him and not my quarterback around some system.

Speaker 1: 41:30

His window is closing. Let's say that.

Speaker 2: 41:33

OK.

Speaker 1: 41:34

Yeah, he's approaching the end of that highly productive window.

Speaker 2: 41:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:42

It doesn't mean that. Highly productive Yardage wise.

Speaker 3: 41:47

Stats wise yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:49

Stat wise. He's productive, no doubt, but not.

Speaker 2: 41:55

Not.

Speaker 1: 41:56

We're measured on championships.

Speaker 2: 41:59

Championships wins or losses, yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Yeah, they got. I think they got the kicker figured out, even though he doinked one off.

Speaker 3: 42:07

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:08

That was. I'm not going to hold that. That kid was amazing, aubrey. But the proof right here, man, it's five wins in the playoffs since 95, since that 95 season.

Speaker 2: 42:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:22

After that season afterward. So one constant is that the Joneses have to change period. Yeah, the Joneses are the problem.

Speaker 2: 42:32

The Joneses are the problem.

Speaker 1: 42:34

I mean, they've got to see this man. The Cowboys are relevant. Yes, they are relevant, but to get back to where they should be, the Joneses have to change.

Speaker 3: 42:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:48

It's a cultural thing, in my opinion.

Speaker 2: 42:50

Yeah, they got to let go of the reins. They just got to let go and let somebody else be the actual GM.

Speaker 1: 43:00

We all know that. I want to show you something cool, kind of switching to basketball. How about the fab five from the University of Michigan? I know there's only four in this picture, but on the far right that's Ray Jackson, right here in Austin, texas, they were. Ray has told me that they have stayed in touch to a point through texting. They have a text thread of the five but they've kind of been separate. But I love to see this. They're all together. That was an iconic group of college basketball. I think college basketball wasn't the best it's ever been during that era.

Speaker 2: 43:40

Yeah, I think maybe I'm going to argue with you. I think the best area of college basketball was I can't remember the year it was the year that we went to the final four 2003 was it 03 and Carmelo was here.

Speaker 1: 44:05

Carmelo.

Speaker 2: 44:06

Anthony and that whole class. You got TJ Ford, james Thomas, you got a Royal Ivy that's just at Texas and then, like I said, like you said, who was in that? That draft class with Carmelo Anthony. It was a huge class back then. It was I'll have to look that up and people at home, the viewers at home looking up but that was a really big, huge year for college basketball back then, even though the Fab five was great and they placed some really really good basketball that phantom timeout that Chris Webber called. I always go back to that but, um, that they were a good basketball team. But I think that 03 to 05 Years, those were some good basketball players coming out and someone was still playing yeah, ron James. You know, you know, yeah, that was a good basketball back then. No, it was the way the way, the way the way, yeah, marquette Golly, but yeah, it was still some good basketball back then, man. So don't count 03 to 05 out.

Speaker 1: 45:27

Those are great and even recently college basketball is great period. But the reason why I say like this era right here late 80s through the mid 90s Kentucky, great Duke, north Carolina, michigan, unlv, maryland, ucla, arkansas, you know, you had some even Rhode Island with penders- before he came to Texas.

Speaker 1: 45:57

You had some great Cal teams, michigan State, ohio State they just had some great teams and now you fast forward. Now the ACC is irrelevant, man. North Carolina is not what they once were, duke is definitely not, but you had some iconic coaches. Step in. We're keeping basketball as Sports Center top 10 dunk from my alma mater, the Stephen F Austin State University.

Speaker 5: 46:29

The lumberjacks are in this thing at all at the moment. Oh my wow, not gonna take the screen there from Julio Bobron and then right over the top of Danny McBride with the flush right there, I don't. I hope you get that.

Speaker 2: 46:47

Yeah, you got up there, man.

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Speaker 1: 46:50

Lord and mercy, yeah. Vertical ups Post-a-Rise yeah love it axum jacks cow. Keller. Belated happy birthday to the head coach. They're 12 and 6 right now. Hopefully they get back to their old winning ways, tick-tock in the man cave. My friend, I'll just say I got a test. It's a test for you, apparently.

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