Stories Inside the Man Cave
Stories Inside the Man Cave
The Pass Rush with Stevie, Clynch, & Adams: Omaha run for Texas & Sorsby situation ends in Lubbock
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We celebrate a College World Series dream and then dive into how a Texas Tech quarterback gambling scandal turns into a test of leadership, PR, and the NCAA’s shrinking power. We argue about what accountability should look like in the NIL and transfer portal era, then close with why big sports moments like the World Cup can bring people together when nothing else does.
• why gambling violations hit differently from other scandals
• how Texas Tech’s public messaging amplifies the story
• what the Big 12 pressure campaign signals about conference power
• Sark’s scheduling remarks and the rivalry energy they spark
• NIL recruiting vs coaching development and roster management
• Tech’s quarterback situation and the risk of rushing an ACL return
• Deuce Adams on fit, system familiarity, and earning a shot at Wisconsin
• Texas baseball in Omaha, the cycle, and what elimination games reveal
• entitlement culture, hard coaching, and telling the truth anyway
• Spurs-Knicks ticket economics and what “home crowd” means now
• World Cup fandom in Texas and sports as a bridge across differences
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A College World Series Dream
SPEAKER_13You know that's pretty cool when you see a young man or young woman fulfill their dreams. In this case, Blake Peterson fulfilled his dream not only to play for the Texas Longhorse Baseball Program, but to get an RBI, a runner batted in, in a College World Series game in Omaha. I am Sean Clinch, the host of Stories Inside the Man K podcast, and it's an added layer when the child of one of your friends gets to achieve their dreams as Blake Peterson has, as the Longhorns are fighting their way through the loser's bracket of a dismantled Alabama, to say the least. As we dive in below the surface on how Texas Tech handled this issue with Sorsby, the transfer portal quarterback who bet and made a lot of wagers with a lot of money. Um, and how they handled that from a PR perspective. But before we do that, I definitely want to encourage you to go to see my guy, Dave Ramirez, for any of your beverages, spirits, or beer options, especially with that beautiful holiday we called July 4th. Are you planning a night in or hosting the crew? Hey, don't stress about running out to grab drinks. My friend Dave Ramirez over at Northwest Hills Liquor has you completely covered. They will literally bring the party right to your door with fast delivery. Remember, you must be at least 21 years of age to order, so go check them out. Northwest Hills Liquor, where you're a guest, not a customer.
Housekeeping, Sponsors, And MA Returns
SPEAKER_13Yeah, Dave Ramirez, a friend of the show, a friend of the pod, if you will, a friend of the program. Let's get into it. Episode 530. Let's ride the biggest. He loves baseball. But the one thing he always says, hey, I'll let you take over the talk for uh college baseball. You gotta respect a man or woman who says who admits that there's some uh lack of knowledge in certain areas because that you know you you that's just the way to go. Don't be afraid to admit it because there's a lot of things I don't know.
SPEAKER_03I like baseball, but there's a ceiling on my knowledge knowledge to talk about it, man. So um I I know that we lost that first game, but uh I I checked in on the game yesterday. Uh was it yesterday? Yeah, and it was seven to one in the third inning. I was like, okay, some some turn on this. And so um I'm looking forward to us going deep in the playoffs uh or in the college football college world series.
SPEAKER_13So you know where Stevie's brain is. No question. Baseball must win tonight again and then beat Oklahoma twice to go to the national championship series. So they're there, and we're gonna get into that because we've got one of our brothers in the house. But before we do that, Stevie, where do we go to follow everything we do or almost everything we do on those things called social media platforms?
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SPEAKER_13Man, one of these days we're gonna get the Mike Adams to do that. And speaking of, man, he's chopping at the bit. Let's bring him in. MA, our brother, man. It's been a while. Let me let me just tell the folks what MA's been up to. He's been in he's an education, he he helps run, he's a leader in a school district nearby. He's a parent of two college football players, phenomenal college football players, phenomenal college football players. He has perhaps the best better half in a four county region and his wife, and he juggles all this, and he's a guest co-host on a podcast series. Welcome back, my brother.
SPEAKER_05Good to see you guys, man. Miss y'all, man. Miss, I know put in a lot of work since the football season and the NCAA and spring sports, and yeah, that's spring time of the year, man. It's just a lot going on campus-wise, and boys with their college and their weird schedule, and man, just uh yeah, but it's good to have a little down.
SPEAKER_03I don't I don't think we touched the surface of what all the things you have going on with with the school district and with your job and um working through finals and finishing out a year as well as your boys and negotiating and right, right, right uh get them in the right place and moving them out, moving them back and moving them in and all that stuff, man. So hats off to you, man, and and thank you for uh coming back on with us. Uh, we missed you, but love your insights on things, man. I don't know how you keep up with all this stuff while juggling everything that you do, and we didn't even mention that you got all your honeydew list this stuff to do, too, man. So that's long, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I know how long that honeydew list is. Yeah, man.
SPEAKER_03But you know, you throw enough money at it, man. The honey do list, it can go smaller, you know.
SPEAKER_05Even when you complete an item, it never goes the item, the list doesn't get shorter. No question. No question. I hope she's not listening right now. My wife always listening.
SPEAKER_13They they have an ear everywhere we go. No question. Um, for you guys tuning in or watching for the first time. Um, Mike Adams, one of the great receivers, one of the record-setting receivers in Texas Longhorn football history, was recruited and signed and played. He played for uh the John Makovic early 90s to 1996, the first uh Big 12 champions, first year, last Southwest Conference champions. And Mike Adams has been a he's done a lot of things, high school coach, football, and everything. He's done it all, and he's in administration now. And the great Flugerville ISD leading those great minds, young minds. But playmaker83. We're gonna work ourselves from the backwards to current and and to you, Stevie Lee.
Texas Tech Gambling Case Breakdown
SPEAKER_13We're gonna do it in three bullet points with the Brendan Soresby deal. Um so there were some, he transferred from Indiana to Cincinnati, and I thought he was a great quarterback at Cincinnati. Put himself in the portal, he's in tech for the last two or three months at tech. So during that time frame, it was brought to everyone's attention that he had made over $90,000 worth of wagers, even on his own team at Indiana, among all these sports. Then we learn that uh in Lubbock County, a district judge ruled against the NCAA because it's an NCAA rules violation. Before we get to the current situation and then the Sartre versus Julie McGuire situation, what is your take, MA, on this and and and how it was handled before what we found out yesterday?
SPEAKER_05Man, I you know, and I'm gonna start out by saying uh I feel for uh Soresby, you know, gonna have some compassion right there because you know things happen, man. He he's still a young guy. He he's you know, I think the key for him is to to really and and not here to judge. I don't think any of us should be. We we don't know the extent uh or how serious it really is, but if he says it's serious and he sought our help and treatment, then we we need to grant him that grace and and hopefully he he can recover and get his life going back on track. I I want a young man to play football. I want him to go to NFL. I hope they give him a chance. And honestly, ironically, I I was on the other side of the situation as far as I thought it would have been a good PR move for him after the injunction was granted to come forward and say, you know what? After evaluating everything and me having my love for university after a couple, two, three months, and Coach McGuire and everybody else, I want to remain part of this team, but I'm not gonna allow myself to play, even though I was allowed to play. Because I thought that could have really repaired the image that he gained after that because man, he became persona non grata, and you know how the NFL works, they can put over a lot of things, dude. So can NCAA, but gambling that's a dead issue. Pete Rose didn't even get in the Hall of Fame because of it for gambling. I mean, we got the the 1919 Chicago White Sox scandal. Man, gambling is just something you don't do. There's been 30 for 30s of uh you know, Boston College and Pitt basketball teams back in the 70s, you know, getting tied up with loan sharks and the mafia and things like that. Like, like gambling is it's just a no but no no, man. You just cannot do it. And I'm uh you know, I'm with all the other 99 of the people in the country. I mean, I I you know, just based on that, I don't think he should have been granted that injunction. And I'm glad it all worked out, but that's just one of those rules, man. We cannot allow to be broken. That's not the same as getting arrested for DWI or or getting in some type of fight or assaulting a woman, assaulting something. That's not the same. You pay consequences for those things, yeah. As it turned out, he really didn't pay any consequences for gambling, and we know, and he admitted to it. But but I think they got it right. Uh Big 12 Commissioner Man, kudos to him, and just uh not falling victim to uh you know the pressure and the money and the aura of of some of Tech's you know big time alumni, you know, just stood on business, which which I think he should have. He did the right thing, listen to the uh to the the the the powers that be within the league. I I think it's a great day for the NCAA to be honest.
SPEAKER_03And uh one thing about that though, I feel that the NCAA is getting weaker and weaker, and the conference is had to step in and have and uh and do something, you know.
SPEAKER_05Um Stevie now since all this stuff is coming out, man. Not just only with the gambling situation and nil and some of the things that we've seen changes to. It makes me wonder was the NCAA really that strong? Because how did these things all of a sudden the NCAA is weaker now? They don't have any power out power now. Maybe they never had any power all along. Nobody's ever challenged them on anything that and now we see they clearly don't have any power.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so it basically when when when I played, we were the dumbasses that didn't challenge me too.
SPEAKER_05I had to sit out of game because I use a rental car. We needed a car to get around because we we didn't go to the dealer. We knew we couldn't go to the dealership and get a car. We knew all eyes are gonna be on us, you know, but we needed a car to run some errands for a week. We got a rental car, everybody's talking about it. Hey man, we had to miss the 1994 season over at Pitt playing against Curtis Martin and some other guys all behind a rental car.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you should sue the NCAA for that game back.
SPEAKER_05I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm really kind of pissed off about some of the things that that NCAA, you know, they went tooth and nail. He had to sit out the first half of Baylor game in '96. Me, Wes Brooke, Trey Thomas, Chris Carter, because one of our teammates came into town who was currently in the NFL. You know, took us to breakfast, dude, the day after the winfrey to alumni out of school. Man, it was almost, and I never even heard of the four seasons till we went to the four seasons. Man, we just happened to see some Austin Knights in town. Oh, that looks like Mike Adams over there and Brian Westbrook. Word gets around town. Oh, damn, I didn't know we couldn't eat it the four seasons. I mean, could we keep? I mean, can we not eat there because we're black or we're supposed to be somewhere in film or something? Like, what was the reason? And it really came across that way. And word got back to Coach McVick and staff. Next thing I know, man, NCAA's investigating us and who paid for the meal and this, that, and the other man, we had to miss the first half of the game, dude. We're eating breakfast, bro.
SPEAKER_13Brunch at the four seasons. I I remember when that was all going down, but to what you guys were both talking about, the NCAA's framework is antiquated. The Ed O'Bannon started to expose it, yeah, took it to the highest court in America. It can go from the lowest to the district courts. You can find loopholes. So back to this text, and and in my case, you it may have been some Texas tech alums that saw y'all at the four seasons, and that's another thing about it.
SPEAKER_05Actually, I think it was some of our media personnel in town. Yes, who who who I don't I don't know, man. It's it's hard to know if they were for the team or against the team, but we just didn't go certain places without people recognizing us, right? Oh, saw so-and-so here, saw so-and-so there. That's why I didn't talk to the media man for a long time.
SPEAKER_13I don't blame you, but watchdogs out there. So we all know what Shark said to the UT donors in Houston two or three
Sark’s Comments And Tech’s PR Play
SPEAKER_13weeks ago. Yeah, you're speaking to it, it was a curated message to a group to get fired up. Joey Maguire, then and Texas Tech and their billionaire Cody all got together and made a big deal. Hey, they won the PR game on that on that battle. Right. Say, hey, let's we're gonna Cody says he's gonna buy out uh Abilene Christian in Texas State, and let's get Texas and Texas Tech you together if you think our schedule's that weak. Well, recently on a national level podcast this week, Sark Satan. I hate that term, sat down. What are you gonna do? Stand up. Um, he responded to it. But to bridge us back to the current situation at Texas Tech, pay attention to what he says at the end.
SPEAKER_10And I think people took it the wrong way. Like I was trying to attack tech's quality of the team to have. That wasn't, it was about their opponents, and um really their opponents should have been the ones that were trying to get mad at me, not tech. But hey, you know, teacher own sometimes you hurt people's feelings. That's okay. We're all big boys, we're gonna be all right.
SPEAKER_02I love it. Let me know if me and Patrick Mahomes can help. You know, we can get in there, partner, negotiate, figure it out. Hey, hey, the way these injunctions hold on, okay.
SPEAKER_10The way these the ways these injunctions are going, Pat Mahomes might be playing for quarterback for Texas Tech again before before Joey's done. Wow. Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_13So here it is. Not long after that interview dropped, the Big 12's legal team put so much pressure on Cody and Texas Tech. Look, guys, this is a lose-lose situation for you guys. And as we were talking before this episode recording, attorney generals from other states in the Big 12 stepped up and said, No, this has to be dealt with. You broke not only uh NCAA rule, it's a it's a law.
SPEAKER_05Right, right.
SPEAKER_13Well, it's illegal. Um so then later, Cody releases a statement because he is the, I think, president of um the Board of Regents at Texas Tech, and then announces that Soresby will not be a member of the Texas Tech football program, that he's going pro. But here's the key the NFL supplemental draft is coming up this summer. There has not been a supplemental draft in the NFL since 2019. Why now? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
SPEAKER_05That is a good question because I always thought it happened every year. It just depended on if we had guys that were available for the supplemental draft, and that could be the reason why. But man, I'm still stuck on the I don't even like the fact that that there's even the perception that tech won the PR game. Because I would have called it down bluff, to be honest. Oh, pay pay Abilene Christian, pay Texas State, we'll play y'all asses right first right off the bat. We'll play it. And we don't have to play in Austin. When you play in Dallas, matter of fact, I wouldn't, I would I would love to come to Lubbock and kick your ass, but that's just me and my attitude about things. Yeah, that's how I roll. Like I and I wish Sark would have done that, but but you know, Sark hadn't really been here long enough, and he ain't really got Texas times like that. So you know, his the way he feels about that rivalry and us having played in it and gone through it, we we know what that's about, right? I mean, I'll tell you this win the PR game. I don't like them ever winning the game on the field. I mean, we we can we can play against tech anytime, anywhere. We gonna kick their ass.
SPEAKER_13I'll clarify. I don't think they Texas chose the right route. We're not gonna say anything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we couldn't get in that back and forth. One, we got we're not gonna take a game away from the season ticket holders, right? Right, right. Two, uh, buying out teams just because somebody's selling wolf tickets, they knew it wasn't gonna happen. That's why they were up there hollering, you know. And to be honest, for me, in my opinion, Sartre didn't say no names. Nah, he didn't, y'all hollered, right? So they they they knew who he was talking about because they knew that their schedule is weak, and so they wanted to get out there, and the the PR of it all is let's go and talk about this because we need to get the media off our quarterback, right? Yeah, and so that was the game that they're playing, uh ultimately lost, right? And that's where they are right now. Who they got at quarterback right now. We're about to talk about it, but it uh they they they were going to be the favorites to come out of the Big 12 for me, right? Um now I don't know. Now I don't know. It's gonna be more competitive in the Big Twelve.
SPEAKER_05Hey, and Honestly, and and here's why I say what I say, why I stand by you know my opinion because tech is on the come up, man. They are tech is on the come up, and you know, who was it that said all good PR, bad PR is good PR, whoever made that quote. Of course, they're not gonna play the game. Of course, you know, season ticket holders and all that stuff's gonna stay in place. But you got these recruits out here, man. They're watching tech, they're watching Texas and tech. Here we are again, another year in a row. Tech with a top 10 recruiting class. Let tech make another run in the playoffs. Let let things keep trending the way they're trending. I'm I mean, I mean, you still got AM that's formidable in the state, you got SMU on the rise. I mean, Texas is is definitely there, but man, that margin for error to me has gotten smaller and smaller each year. Now, who I mean, you got five sort of guys coming out. I'm going to Lubbock, and they're paying big money. So man, we I what it's a slippery slope right now, to be honest.
SPEAKER_03It's slippery, but I'm gonna push back a little bit, Amy. Um, they they are paying the kids to get there, so they get in the the class, right? They're getting the recruiting class. They need to start paying the coaches, they gotta find the coaches that can handle this type of talent, right? Yeah, well, just like the softball team, they have the the the biggest number or the biggest rock, um, yeah, the most uh money on their team as players. Yeah, that poor coach didn't know what to do with him. He he he changed up the whole lineup. He changed and I and I'm looking at I was like, Hey, you know, Coach Royal used to say, dance with who brought you, right? Right, and he messed up his whole lineup trying to play Texas and did not dance with who bought him. Yeah, we kicked their ass. Like so you can pay all you want, you can you can sprinkle sugar on a turd, yeah, and call it a Snickers, but it's still a turd if you don't know, it's still gonna be a turd, no doubt. Yeah, so and that's what they're doing at tech. They're they're they're they're throwing all this fancy stuff out at the players, which is great. I want these kids to make their money, right? But you can't have an inexperienced jockey trying to trying to get these thoroughbreds across the line.
SPEAKER_05And honestly, man, I think they were better last year than they were this year. I mean, it takes a tech. I mean, they they were I looked at some point this year, they were ranked like eighth or 11th coming into the to the tournament, and uh the young lady at short stop, bless her heart, her in the third baseman. I don't think they were as good as they could have been. I mean, they they pretty much lost that game, you know, with with their critical errors down the stretch. I mean, I think their coach is good, but but you are right. I mean, up though, MA.
SPEAKER_13Why would you change the picture in and out of the game?
SPEAKER_03Uh ruining the that's what I mean, man.
SPEAKER_05You gotta dance with who brought you, like she got psychological thing. That that's just Texas being defending national champion, probably having the better team on paper. It played with his mind. He was just trying to figure out some things and it backfired on him.
SPEAKER_03They gotta play, they gotta go get a coach that don't play that they can't get bit get shit shaken like that, you know.
SPEAKER_04That's right, that's right.
SPEAKER_03I'm sorry, man. I'm I'm getting off topic and everything. Let's
Tech’s QB Plan After The Fallout
SPEAKER_03go.
SPEAKER_13Well, you you mentioned this. Will Hammond is a product of Huddle, Texas. He he's a good quarterback, he got he gets he's he had some starting reps for tech, yeah, but he's nursing a knee injury. I think he will be ready to go. May you're still dialed into the Texas high school coaches. Is this Tex QB1 this season? Will Hammond? He's a good kid, too.
SPEAKER_05I I think if Will is healthy, all for it, he he would definitely be QB1. But you know, looking at this thing from a coach's standpoint, even a father's standpoint, and and even knowing Will on a personal level, because my son and and him, they were together at huddle, right? Um, I wouldn't want him to rush back. And if I were tech, I wouldn't want to rush him back. Like, like, I mean, he's projected to miss the first three games, and man, having torn my ACL, you can't play around with the ACL, dude. You can't, and you're playing quarterback and looking at some of the things they did scheme-wise last year. I mean, we'll got her running the ball. I know Will can run the ball, he's a dual threat guy, but I don't want him running the ball like that for for a simple fact, and it was a non-contact injury. So I'm the other team, I'm the defense, and knowing that tech doesn't have another quarterback really behind him. I'm I'm taking as slow as I can, and my schedule is pretty favorable. I'm not rushing Will back. Now we're to Stevie's point, we're about to see if these guys that are in charge are really making good decisions, you know. Because because we he's not ready right now.
SPEAKER_13Joey love him. Great high school coach, he's a good personality, he does care, right? Um, and I'll end the Texas Tech discussion on this. The part where I lost respect for Texas Tech in this entire situation with Soresby, the schedule deal, I actually I laughed a lot about all. I thought it was good off-season material. The three of us both know we are in the middle of the bullshit headlines that come up every year. It happens every year all over America. But when they got Cody, Coach McGuire, um, the president, the AD, all at a round table and did a 22-minute video on why they are supporting Soresby. Dude, you're doing too much, you're making the brand look bad. They have done a phenomenal job of building that double T brand to what it is, to the point you don't need to do that, right? Quit bringing it to attention and just let it ride.
SPEAKER_05And man, that that's I was kind of saying that that whole thing myself. I mean, it just looked like you had all the major players in that room, and you know, there was probably one voice that was really speaking for everybody, and it made me think about our university and some of the people that we've had, you know, behind the scenes. You know, you can say they were calling shots or whatever, but one thing they never did, they never put themselves out in the forefront of things. We we we we you know, being a Texas alone football, you've heard the stories, we know who calling the shots, we've heard the names, right? But but I've never seen those guys come out publicly and and and take this persona of I'm gonna be the main spokesperson for the university. And I think one of the problems is our university is is such the brand that it is. We got several of those guys that could be the voice of the university that have deep pockets. I mean, it appears as tech only has one guy that's like that. And and he's calling all the shots, and nobody's there to kind of put him in check, rein him in. And um it is it's definitely a dangerous thing for them, man. And I know you know, Tex Tech, great academic institution, you know, some of you know, one of the foremost leaders in academia in the country, especially as it relates to you know, West Texas things and oil production, all that kind of stuff. But yeah, they they've taken a hit PR-wise because of this, and they they need to figure that part out. Maybe he needs to go away a little bit and take on a mob style approach. Yeah, um don't be seen, don't be heard from.
SPEAKER_13Say more, say less. Right. Less is more. Um Stevie, I want to turn this
Deuce Adams And The Wisconsin Move
SPEAKER_13over. I want to put the I want to put the spotlight on a proud dad here who's in the room. Um, your two sons were at Louisville and transferred to Wisconsin. We followed the whole transfer portal journey with you and your wife, and and did our best. We were supportive. Well, they end up at Wisconsin and Madison, Wisconsin. This is your boy Deuce, QB now uh of Wisconsin during spring ball. They were asking him about why this was such or maybe a good fit for him.
SPEAKER_08You know, I just I love making throws. I love getting my playmakers the ball. Uh I don't know if if y'all been on here washing or not, but you know, I I can throw the ball, I can distribute the ball, I can make plays um when they need to be made. And you know, I've I've been in a similar system, so I kind of know how to operate uh this the system.
SPEAKER_13All right, I'm gonna say it, Stevie, Mike Adams. You were just knocked off the perch as the best on-camera presence in your family.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, nah, nah, Deuce. I remember that interview right there. Nah, dude, Deuce, man, he he's he's a guy that has kind of grown into his own. I mean, very well spoken. I don't know if that's that that Madison education or actually, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's the the Vandergriff education.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_05But but nah, man, all seriousness, and we're talking about a guy that just turned 20. I mean, I mean, all this uh gray shirt and being talked about and holding God. I should have held Deuce back. He should have been in the class of 25 or 26. Started kindergarten late. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, it's guys that are entering college right now that are 19 years old, and Deuce just left 19. Yeah, so so and it's been in college going on three years now. And um, yeah, man, he he he's locked in up there. They're loving the campus up there in Wisconsin, and um he's gonna get his shot, man. And uh, and when he does, we're gonna hear a lot from Deuce. I I guarantee you, he he he's he's a great quarterback, smart, has played in several distant systems, like he said. And Wisconsin wanted a little bit of uh they want to be power heavy and spread, but I think they're doing a little bit of air raid stuff that they were kind of doing last year. So some of that stuff's passing wise is starting to come out, some wrinkles to it, and and that he's he's familiar with that, having played with Coach Bush at uh Canyon High School, and who's a UTRGV now and is an air raid guy. So um, you know, looking forward to it, man. They're having a good spring, having a good summer, competing, and uh yeah, Wisconsin is a it's a great place. It is.
SPEAKER_13Wait, we're we are excited for them, and I'll tell you what, one thing, you're both your boys are very talented athletes, but you know, they were also very uh much into baseball, and we are in the college baseball to me is just a chapter to many, but they are right now in the midst, almost to the final four of perhaps the greatest show on the dirt.
Texas Baseball Surviving The Gauntlet
SPEAKER_01Krueger came and actually came up to me later in the game and told me that they took the air off the board, so it was kind of kind of surreal because I remember uh Stemo doing it uh with Tennessee uh when I was in high school. And I uh it's kind of crazy that that's all coming uh back when we're here, so it's just a crazy moment. Have you ever hit for the cycle before in your life? No, I I don't believe so. Maybe, maybe when I was in T ball.
SPEAKER_13Oh man. So that's beautiful. Uh Adrian Rodriguez, second baseman for the Longhorns. The hardest route possible. They were absolutely destroyed by Georgia in game one on Saturday, played on Monday in an elimination game, destroyed Alabama. And tonight they will play in a rematch with Georgia in an elimination game with the right to play Oklahoma and have to beat them twice. But A Rod made, I want to say mild history. He's only the third person player in College World Series history to hit for the cycle. And for those who don't know what that means, that means the individual hit a single, double, triple, and a home run in one game. And what he was saying was it was originally um a single with an error, but they removed the error in which he got two bases and called it a triple. Nobody from UT or Alabama appealed or did anything, it was the scorekeeper for the College World Series, guys. When you see that in response, just the bigger picture, remove any bias. When you see a team come out in a loser's bracket game, elimination, and they perform like that, and you have a guy who hits like that. What does that tell you?
SPEAKER_03They won it, yeah.
SPEAKER_05They want it. Hey, is he the kid? Did he go to Centon High School? Um, that's a good question, man. I I want to say he did and was a part of that like 44 45 game win streak, and uh, the team that actually broke their win streak was Deuce's baseball team at Canyon. Beat those guys in the tournament in uh dribbing springs. And um, I think Sydney had went to state. They they pretty good, very good baseball program.
SPEAKER_13Adrian Alanese, the former Texas Pitchers, their head coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I mean, so Adrian went to Flower Mount. Okay, Adrian Rodriguez. Yeah, okay, okay. Well, he he's from a good program up there, too.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, very much so.
SPEAKER_05It's real good, but um, that's hard to do, man. In any level of baseball here for the cycle. I mean, that that's he was locked in, and may maybe it's a blessing in the skies they lost that first game, and and the way they lost it, because now a lot of teams, man, they they play with their backs up against the wall and they they play a little bit you know more loose, and you know, you have nothing to lose at that point. And and I think a team like ours, who they were expected to be in Omaha like they are every year, they're expected to compete for championships. They've been in this situation before, you know. Schloss Schloss is uh you know veteran coach, and you know, I've heard him talk about having coached with Aggie and you know, some of the times that he's won some titles, so he's been there, kind of done that. Um, probably no better guy to get his team prepared coming off of a loss at this point in the game than than the Schloss. So no, we should we should see the same now. I think tonight, especially since Georgia lost, also, you'll you'll see a difference in both teams because it is winner, go home. Now you can't afford to lose a game, like that luxury's gone. So so things are gonna be a little bit tighter tonight.
SPEAKER_13That Stevie, did you get a when you put think of these situations because you know the uniqueness the game of baseball, you can romanticize it, but when you're an elimination game, I mean the margin, weird things happen in these goals, weird things happen in baseball games, period. Yeah, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it. I think the pitching depth for Texas, I guarantee they'll probably use four or five guys. Now, if Luke Harrison goes seven innings for Texas, man, keep in mind Georgia has potentially the best lineup in the country, and Oklahoma just shut them down. That's that's what's bizarre about this. I don't know. So Texas, Georgia rematch elimination game. We're sorry for taking up your time doing this, but before we end the college world series talk, Troy Trojans, they're in the middle of Alabama, Troy, Alabama. They're a good baseball program, but they did something that a lot of mid-majors don't. They made it all the way to Omaha.
Entitlement, Coaching, And Hard Truths
SPEAKER_13It's beautiful. A lot of mid-majors won the regionals this year. He was asked because he worked for a former coaching grade at Louisville before he got the Troy job. And he's talking about this modern day society, something we all need to hear and relate. Modern day society of entitlement. And this is Skyler Mead at Troy talking about that and how we all need to handle things in life in this great game. This is why they win.
SPEAKER_00Like I know everybody, it's like Coach McDonald used to say, Louis, he's always says, everybody wants to bat third and play short. Like I get that, but that's not how the real world works. And a lot of times we're in this era where we don't tell people that, or when we tell people how the world works, they get offended. And for us, I'm not, I myself and I don't care who we offend, we're going to speak truthfully to our guys because we truly love our guys and we will do anything for them. Absolutely anything. But I think it's like, for me, it's just a good reminder and lesson. Like, do not deviate in this world of NIL and choices and all this stuff. You coach them as hard as you can until they say your season's over because that's how you have to optimize your team skill set.
SPEAKER_13That was real talk, as real as it could be. And they were eliminated today by West Virginia, who I picked to play in the national championship uh game or series. Real quick, around the table, before we start wrapping up this first segment, Stevie, you're I mean, you you think society's coming around to that type of thinking, coming back to hey, be real with each other. Uh don't worry about hurting people's feelings if it's the truth.
SPEAKER_03I hope so. I hope so, man. I um it's it's a breath of fresh air to to to being honest with people and and people taking the honesty uh and not being childish about it. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_13Quit avoiding hard situations, hard conversations, and just have the conversations out of respect for the other one. Now, if you don't care about the person or care about anything moving forward, don't worry about it. But I think consistency is is lacking, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And honestly, man, I think a lot of that starts at home, to be honest. I mean, I'm a coach, always been a coach, and man, I'm not gonna coach a kid like you want me to, parent. Like this is our program, we're gonna run things the way we run things, and we're gonna make decisions based on what's best for the team. I mean, I mean, your money can't buy third base, can't buy shortstop because a lot of parents had that mentality, and that mentality leaks over into the to the athlete, and that's why you have the athletes thinking the way they do, but it takes a real coach like the one we just heard to rein that all back in. It's up, it's up to the coach, man, and the people in charge.
Spurs-Knicks Finals And Ticket Economics
SPEAKER_13So, we all know the Spurs knocked out my boys, all right, and Western conference finals. I thought Wimby and the Spurs were gonna cruise to a 4-1 win in the NBA Finals. Far from what happened. I underestimated these young Knicks, and we're not gonna talk about the rioting in the streets and the assaulting of San Antonio fans, which is stupid, uh control society. Um Stevie, were you shocked? And did you by any chance, do you any by any chance feel like we all undervalued this next team?
SPEAKER_03Uh I don't think we undervalued the Knicks team. I um I I wanted San Antonio to win it all, but um I knew it was an uphill battle because of youth, right? Uh they're they're just young. Now, I'm gonna say all this and then I'm gonna say something at the end. Um uh Bronson for the Knicks, phenomenal. He he had a breakout uh playoffs, and uh it was really cool to see his dad coaching him and getting his dad getting real passionate on the sideline uh with him. Uh, I think that that was that was really neat, and I don't think there's enough stories about that. That he he got to be coached by his dad um in the uh NBA finals. Really cool. Really, really cool. The Knicks story program. I love seeing all the celebrities on the sideline. Yeah, uh San Antonio was battling an uphill battle with the passion of New York City, with being in Madison Square Garden, uh legendary, legendary, and they did really well by going in there winning one game. Yeah, that was really good. Um I had I I thought I wanted San Antonio to win because they're right down the road, and I actually like their organization, but um, I I kind of knew that the the Knicks will pull it out, it was just their time 53 years in the making. Yeah, now all that being said, the San Antonio Spurs is ahead of schedule. The boys are gonna go back and go to work. They got the spirit of Popovic still around the program, and they're gonna go to work and and um and Wemby is just gonna get better. He's he hears what's what was being said about him right now. He's dirty, he's soft, um, and all this other stuff. He's gonna go back to work because we know he went to work these last three. He's only three years in the league, guys. Right. They they were playing against some grown men that knew basketball. When these kids learn NBA basketball, it's over, it's a wrap. It's gonna be another dynasty down in San Antonio. Mark my words, you can you can you can mark this one right now. Um Uh Sean and then play it back in five years when they have three, four championships under their belt.
SPEAKER_05I think it's likely, I think it's more likely that they win the title in five years than they do next year or two. Because they so they got so close this year, man. And you know how hard it is to get back there. I mean, look at Oklahoma City how hard it is to get back OKC and to to to go back to back, and here come the Spurs out of nowhere. And man, honestly, the Spurs they could have swept the Knicks, they were here by double digits almost every ball game, right?
SPEAKER_03And you lose those, you lose those leads with youth. The youth lost those leads 29 points.
SPEAKER_05Or was it the man in charge on the side?
SPEAKER_03And and and two things can be true. Two things can be true. They're very young, man. The youth like you gotta when when you when you're in the NBA, 29 points can change like that, right? Oh, no, no doubt, and it did, and so now they know now. They know we're up, man. We gotta hey hey, keep keep keep on them. Dance with who brought you. Whoever got you that 29 points, keep dancing with it, right?
SPEAKER_05But but that west is gonna be tough, man. Cause you know OKC coming back. I said earlier, they got 14 draft picks waiting in the wings. I already I've heard talk of LeBron and Steph. Steph reaching out to LeBron and and possible and Kawhi. Hey man, if that happens right there, Spurs ain't coming out of the West next year.
SPEAKER_03Well, the Spurs still got moves to make too, though.
SPEAKER_05Now they do, they do, but man, so and Kawhi's high level this year. He he he played a lot this year for a guy who who normally uh you know, I think that buzzword uh really started because of him. What uh load management, I I think he's the face of that turn, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So but and so Wimby uh had to sit out because of his um there was an artery in his shoulder or something like that. Uh uh, like but he came back stronger and and and and better, and so the kid is uh locked into his craft. I I like him. I hear all the negative things about him. I like this kid a lot. I like it too. I like because he's nasty.
SPEAKER_05I like that he threw Brunson out of his way and threw his ass on the floor. Yeah, I mean, he he needs I have no problem with that, and he smiled afterwards, so he's a demon. So I appreciate that. And man, he needs keyboard on his body physically. I mean, I mean, he's I just don't want him to get too because you're not like Kevin Durant. No question, you're you're not as smooth as Durant and can play that outside game, and and and Durant really can go inside, go outside, and Wimby right now. I I think he's a little bit hesitant to really lock in down low, and that may not be who he is, but if he's gonna be a guy that's gonna sit on the perimeter, well, man, you better get like Durant, yeah, and make guys really guard you out there and be a little bit more quicker in that job because right now, I mean, he can get pushed out, bodied out by even some smaller guys. We've seen it, and you know, I don't know if he's as fluid as he needs to be in order to get to the rim off the dribble all the time.
SPEAKER_13Well, it will, but you also gotta consider um Adam Silver has the NBA where he wants it. There's I mean, if you it's been a long time since anyone's repeated.
SPEAKER_05I'm disappointed in the fans of San Antonio, man. I'm disappointed from the standpoint of man, and I'm a Texan first. I'm I'm gonna text. How are we gonna let and I'm from Dallas? I um you know different parties say, but I appreciate San Antonio. They they they are brothers or whatever. Now, how we gonna let New York buy up 50 of the tickets in game five? Oh, that's a good I'm glad you brought that up. Man, that that as a Texan, that that that kind of pisses me off. They did the same thing in the other previous home games, which made me kind of start thinking about man, do the Spurs really belong in San Antonio? Maybe they need to move to Austin. Well, I know the games will be packed here, they wouldn't let that happen in Austin. Well, it did happen, it didn't they already they already come up here and got a G League team up here, and there's been a lot of chatter before about moving the Spurs to Austin. I I don't know, San Antonio. You might need to show up at the game. You're there, they're sold out, but the presence there's no way that they should have been able to buy tickets.
SPEAKER_13That happened a lot when Texas men basketball would play Kansas or Texas Tech, and they would buy tech, and Kansas fans would buy up four or five thousand tickets.
SPEAKER_05That's never happening in the Dean Smith Center in North Carolina. That's never gonna happen. That's never gonna happen in Brian Deanny Stadium. You you're gonna have your little contingent of people at the game. There's not gonna be buying out half the stadium. That's ridiculous, man. I was like, oh wow.
SPEAKER_03The problem with that though, man, is the tickets in New York were just so expensive, it was cheaper for people to get flights to pay five dollars and get flights and go to the game in San Antonio than to go to a game right there in New York City. And and I I didn't like it with you, Ma, but if I have a chance to cash in on that New York City money, I'm gonna cash in on the New York City money.
SPEAKER_05Oh, yeah, and it was strategic by them. I mean, it definitely made economical sense. They're like, Man, I'm gonna go catch these boys down there in Texas, and I never get a chance to get to Texas, so I'm gonna go down there for games three and four, and yeah, and you know, and make it make a nice little weekend of it and get a cheap little hotel and all that type of stuff. I mean, that's clear what was going on, but San Antonio, we got big we we soon as we call win uh the tickets in New York, man. We should have made sure those games were sold out, no tickets available. Here, here go your tickets. We only gonna let a few of you high rollers come down here and man. The damn crowd was half New York, man. We like who's the home team here? That's embarrassing, dude.
SPEAKER_03That's yeah, but but this the this one gang that they gave their ticket up for is gonna pay for the whole next season, so it's an economic, it's an economic move, right?
SPEAKER_13Like, kind of like us selling our Ohio State tickets to pay for our season tickets all year. I'm not saying I'm doing it, but I'm I've thought about it.
SPEAKER_05Let enough people do that because oh state does travel and have that down state is gonna be bug out fans, and we know if it if it's gonna be half the stadium that's buckout fans, that could be a problem for us.
SPEAKER_03So I'm I'm defending the San Antonio Spurs on selling their tickets because uh uh hit dog hollers, right? So that Georgia, that year that Georgia came to Texas. Oh, I have four season tickets. I sold two of my season tickets and it paid for 75% of my season next season, season tickets. So yeah, just selling two of those tickets. I still went to the game and I was strategic on selling them to another Texas fan, and I didn't sell them to a Ohio or a um Georgia fan. But if the Georgia fan was paying more, I would have sold it to them. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05What were the results of that game?
SPEAKER_03Hey man, we're not we're not talking about we're talking about economics right now.
SPEAKER_13Hey boys, we're we're gonna uh take a quick break, hear from our folks at Hardgrove, and we're gonna I just want to go wrap around and talk about the experience of the World Cup in Texas, and we're gonna wrap it up with some positivity on the other side of this break.
Hardgrove Break And Football Talk
SPEAKER_07Here at Hardgrove Roofing, uh, we try to think outside the box to kind of get the creative juices flowing. So I brought in my friend Stevie Lee, former defensive tackle for the Texas Longhorns. Um, he's gonna help the team strategize, really motivate them, light of fire.
SPEAKER_02This guy's gonna block down, this guy's gonna block down. You put your butt into the guard, and that way my mic linebacker gets free to do what.
SPEAKER_07Not only are they gonna learn a thing or two, but they're gonna also leave with a great attitude and a bunch of smiles on their faces.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry, what does this have to do with roofing? Exactly. Get out right now. I said get out.
SPEAKER_07For me, that's what it's all about is just having fun, making our employees have a great time. Hard growth roofing. Know who's on your roof.
SPEAKER_02Hey Ben, tell me something good.
SPEAKER_05Um commercial. That's a lovely that that that puts a little perspective in the people who they watch the games on TV, they go to the games, but I but you wonder if they really know what goes on in those meeting rooms and coaching rooms, and and if we were to talk to them in our language, hey man, they're gonna be like, damn, what the hell you say? What does that mean?
SPEAKER_04They that's football is get out.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's done. Get out, get out. You're done. That was good.
World Cup In Texas And Sports Unity
SPEAKER_13Um, since the World Cup is this year, and and this here in North America and Houston and DFW have been hosting games, it's been beautiful. Um, seeing like Denmark take over Dallas, the fans, a fandom people don't understand. Listen, I'm not a big soccer guy. I actually I don't like it at all, but I respect the game. I love the World Cup. I absolutely have so much respect and love following the great Clint Dempsey. Um, I think soccer obviously is a global sport. The reason why we're not so good at it in the United States is because we have so many sports here. But guys, we may have a chance not only to win this thing, potentially, but we may get in the in the rounds we have not been in in quite some time. Tell me something good. We'll start with Stevie, World Cup theme.
SPEAKER_03And before you told me it was World Cup theme, that's the way I was going with it. Because this is the time of year when basketball's gone off, football ain't on yet, uh, baseball is here, but you know, it's it's a little bit harder to watch, sit and watch baseball on TV uh without being in the stands. I'm a in the stands type of guy, and so this is the time of the year where man, there's no sports on. What do I need to do? I can go out and do the grass or something like that. Now you got the world cup, you can actually sit down and watch it. Uh, I'm not a soccer guy either, but um I do like the World Cup. Uh, I like seeing and and I get on Google when I'm watching the games and actually go and learn about the different countries and things like that. Ivory Coast, dude, they played the other day, and me and my wife was watching it, and I got on Google and learned there's some really nice resorts uh on the Ivory Coast. And I'm I'm like, hey man, let's let's fly over to Africa and get get some go to the Ivory Coast and get some of these uh resorts in. So uh I I like it, man. Um, I'm glad that it's here in the U.S. Um we're we're the host country. Uh well the the Americas is the host country. Uh there's some games in Canada, some games down in Mexico. Um, I'm looking forward to seeing uh is it um Argentina is playing tonight uh in Kansas City in Arrowhead Stadium. And and what's fascinating to me is FIFA has so much power that they renamed all the stadiums. Like there's not it's not at SoFi Stadium, Dallas Stadium, it's not in it's not at uh ATT Stadium in Dallas, it's not at Arrowhead Stadium, it's in Kansas City, Dallas. It's it's so funny to me that they they were like these companies didn't pay for us for them to advertise with us, so we're not gonna even call their names. So that that's that's some powerful stuff from the FIA, uh for the FIA from uh FIFA. So um uh it's really fun. There's usually this is the low time of sports in America, but we got um the World Cup sustaining us until we smell the grass and hear pass thumping, smell the turf, smell the turf nowadays. Yeah, you're right, and and and um and and seeing American football on the field. We get uh we get some European football before we get to American football.
SPEAKER_13Yeah, it may enjoy it. World cup team, tell me something good, tell us something good.
SPEAKER_05I am a world cup guy, not wouldn't really say I'm a soccer guy, but I remember my first world cup. I was uh I want to say eight years old, and I saw Germany, West Germany at the they were West Germany, and they uh I want to say they beat and defeated Argentina in the '82 World Cup. That was my first memory, and and this is when the World Cup came on, like the uh Univision stations. Oh here I am listening to Spanish, didn't learn any of it, of course, but I'm like, I'm watching the soccer game, man. I was locked in, and ever since then, dude, every four years, I love watching the world cup. I I saw the hand of God in in '86, Argentina, and uh, I forgot the opponent they played, but but you know, Diego Maradona and some of those World Cups. So man, I I like this time of year. Um, I'm just glad for our team we finally have a good team, and I I think I got my own theories as to why we're a little better this go around than we have been in the past. Why is that? Well, I think we're making soccer a little bit more inclusive for some people to help our team out to be better. I mean, because I look around the world and I see guys playing in France and England, and I mean they got all these guys that that's that sort of look like me and Stevie. I'm like, man, we got a lot of those dudes in the United States. Why are they not on the team? Are they not good enough? Are we giving them the opportunity? And I think this year, more than ever, I've seen some of those dudes out there, and I'm not saying they're the sole reason, but man, I think if we take the best of what we have in the country, it which represents all of us, we could put a formidable team out there on the field. I think that's where we are now. I wouldn't be surprised if they get to the final eight, the quarterfinals.
SPEAKER_13The knockout round is that, yeah. Man, that was beautiful, honestly, by both of you. And I'll say this watching the World Cup and all of the foreign countries having a blast. If you go on Instagram, all the social media platforms, there are three people I'm following just because of the World Cup, they are driving all over Texas to explore the delicacies, the stuff that you and I, all three of us, take for granted. Yeah, I mean, there's these girls that are just blown away by Chipotle. Um, they go into dance halls, these uh Germans and these uh Australians coming up. Uh it's unreal. South Africans, yeah. It they absolutely and they're looking at all this, like everyone in Texas is so friendly. These Irishmen and Irish women ladies are talking about how friendly the people are in the great state of Texas, considering what's going on in the world, man.
SPEAKER_05At the right time, that's we need to hear more of it.
SPEAKER_13And you know what? I'll end it with this. And you guys would agree. We are putting on a global stage. If the world would come together like we do or have, and for some of us, for a short period, the very short period of time, and treat society like a sports locker room or a huddle, yeah, that's a solution.
SPEAKER_05Wouldn't be any problems. Wouldn't be any problems.
SPEAKER_13None. Yeah, that's why the world would be a better place.
SPEAKER_05Is the great the great bridge uh of all the things that happen in the country, man? That's that's why you you can get kids that are you know from the west coast or from Texas, and you know, because I asked myself, I'm like, man, it used to be pretty bad in the SEC a while ago, but man, these kids want to keep going there. But man, you you see what occurs on on Saturday afternoons. I mean, I mean, to me, I think a lot of those barriers they've been gone because I can because I don't think kids would even go down that way if it was really that bad. I mean, so but we see what football has or you know, football, but not not only football, but sports in general can do to help society 100.
SPEAKER_13Brings it brings people from all backgrounds, no doubt, backgrounds, rich, poor, middle class, yeah, brown, black, white, yellow, religions, and none of it matters, right? It doesn't does not, does not. I love you, boys. Man, no doubt, baby. No doubt. Much love. You're my brothers. Man, this is fun. All we I love. Hey, Stevie, we got MA cooking again.
SPEAKER_05Sorry for the political takes, people.
SPEAKER_13We own it, we love it, we encourage it. Everyone has a voice, we're being inclusive. Yeah, hey, for all the great cities and states across of cities across Texas and states in America, and for Stevie Lee's hometown, Shreep, Louisiana, and uh, and the great Hargrove Roofing based out of Shreep to my college, alma mater city, the red brick streets of downtown Nacadoches into my beautiful hometown Austin, Texas, and every city that has we have all three donned and lived.
Final Thoughts And Where To Follow
SPEAKER_13Much love to you. Thank you for putting up with us. Be sure to like, follow each of our social media platforms. I'm running out of oxygen. And for Mike Adams, may he one day get a statue outside of DKR.
SPEAKER_05And we don't even have to take it that far. I just want my damn picture back up in the receiver room. So I mean, some somehow it disappeared with the with the change in the coach's staff, and man, always underappreciated, man. But that's all right, man. It's all right.
SPEAKER_13I want to make you a bust. I'm talking about his head made out of gold or or bronze. We gotta go. Oh hey, Stevie, MA, Stevie, for the OG Man K boys, that being Harbaugh Hardge, Big Mike, and he coach Mo. What do we tell him, Stevie Lee? We out.