Dr. Jivasu ~ The Science of Bliss: Understanding the Biological Basis of Spiritual Experiences

In this insightful episode, we are introduced to the multifaceted Dr. Jivasu, whose journey from a pediatrician to a spiritual teacher is as profound as it is enlightening. Touching on everything from Kundalini experiences to the foundational elements of Soma Yoga, Dr. Jivasu provides a glimpse into the deep connections between our physical existence and the universal forces of energy and consciousness.

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Key Takeaways:

• Dr. Jivasu had a transformative Kundalini experience that has shaped his life and teachings since 1984.
• Soma, Dr. Jivasu's program, is a holistic approach to health and fulfillment, integrating practices from various yoga traditions and Chinese medicine with a focus on science and biology.
• The concept of Soma parenting emphasizes nurturing children according to their unique temperaments while providing emotional safety and encouraging their inherent potentials.
• Dr. Jivasu's philosophy is grounded in reclaiming the individual's intrinsic biological rhythm, aiming to unclog the body and mind from traumas and conditioning.

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Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. So happy you are here. My goal with this channel is to bring inspirational speakers to the mic in the field of yoga, massage bodywork and beyond, follow us @nativeyoga, and check us out at nativeyogacenter.com All right, let's begin When the student is ready, the teacher appears. And I had such a great conversation with Dr. Jivasu. I'm so happy you're here. His website is jivasu.org spelled jivasu.org. Go ahead and get check him out. And I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. I feel honored to have this opportunity. I had the wonderful experience of someone in India who listened to the conversation that I had with Parveen Nair in Rishikesh. He wrote to me, thank you so much for writing me and said, I really think you should speak with Dr. Jivasu. Here's his information. And I wrote to Dr. Jivasu, because anytime you write me and tell me, Hey, I think this person will be a great person to speak to thank you for doing that. Because it's an incredible opportunity to be able to speak to such an amazing group of individuals. And so it's just fun. And I love this. It's just amazing. And I'm just so thankful that you're here for your support. And have a listen to this and send us some feedback. Shoot me an email or send me an email at info@nativeyogacenter.com. Or you can find me on social media at @nativeyoga. And send Dr. Jivasu message if you enjoy what he has to share. Let him know that you're thinking about him and you appreciate that he took some time to just share. Let's go for it. Let's begin. I'm thrilled to have the opportunity to bring Dr. Jivasu on to the podcast today. And thank you so much, Dr. Jivasu for joining me. And how are you feeling today? How are things going for you? It's a wonderful day here. Very bright outside inside is the same a very bright, pleasant almost blissful, wonderful are Where are you right now? I'm in Hamilton, Canada, which is very close to Toronto. Oh, yeah. Nice. I've never been to Toronto. I hear it's a beautiful city. You're more in the outskirts? Are you in the country? Oh, no, I'm almost in the middle of the city. Oh, wow. Okay, gotcha. What's the temperature there right now? Because it's March. What's the temp? It's 10 degrees centigrade. Oh, yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's a little more chilly than here in Florida. And so, so you're happy to be inside? I'm thinking. You know, but I don't mind cold at all. Wonderful. And are you originally from India? Yes, I am. And I'm from Northern India, very in the foothills of the Himalayas, where? You know, I were born and what? Wow, awesome. And how old were you when you move to Canada? At the age of 40. Nice. And you are you are a medical doctor. Their site by by training. I'm a pediatrician, a child specialist. Wow. Did you Where did you go to school for your medical training? Yeah, that was again in northern India. Quite a famous medical school known as King George's medical school. Good luck now. Wow. And did you practice pediatrics in that area before you know prior to you moving to Canada? That's right. I mean, I never practiced for for money ever. So after completing my MD I joined a monastery your Ashram in Rishikesh India. Wow. Chu Ananda ashram. Wonderful. Nice. Where I practice Jana. So not specifically pediatrics but see all patients whosoever came in Ashram hospital. Can you paint a picture for us what it looked like in the ashram what ashram life was like at that time when you when you joined? Yeah, in those days Rishikesh was like a village and Shivananda ashram was located on the outskirts on the bank of the river Ganga. So I was living almost with 400 monks. So definitely, it was austere life. And almost 24 hours you can say it was a spiritual life, and a free hospital services within the campus, which serves the same monks and also a wandering sod loose are seekers and searcher a beggar so whosoever came, they served and it was all free of cost. Very interesting experience, because in those days, I was not a spiritual person. But by living there, yes, something transformed in me. Amazing. What I'm so curious to hear more about that is that, did you grow up in a family that didn't have a spiritual background and then being a medical doctor, you are a little more akin toward the scientific study, but then it sounds like the ashram life, cultivate some sort of change in you. Is that correct? Actually, my family was quite religious, quite a spiritual because my mother used to go to, to the ashram of her guru, every year. But I turned to Marxism during my college days, of course. That's right. But when I joined Shivananda ashram, after one year, I had a very big, transformative experience. And actually, whatever happened to me after that, and that was 1984 is the result of that single experience? Are you open to speaking or explaining what that experience was? Like? Yes, I would like to and I will tell you a little bit why that experience happened. I mean, that is at least my theory. So while studying in medical school, I met a Canadian medical student, and it was love at first sight. So again, it was a very big happening because a love at first sight is extremely stressful, extremely delightful, because it extreme of everything. Yeah, in me, it's sustained for two years, with more or less sing intensity. And as you know, this kind of love with changes your neuro chemistry and neuro hormones in your brain made me one rebel ifI to certain experiences my brain bust mode open. So after my medically school, I straight went into into this Ashram monastery. And slowly I was changing in terms of practicing yoga, practicing meditation listening to the discourse and lectures and reading. I suppose my brain was completely 3d in remember June 7 1984. When I was waking up from my siesta because June is very hot month in India. Yeah. And suddenly, I felt a massive, massive surge of energy in my body, and it was very physical. Its pressure was so much that my head develop a severe pain. I thought it could be a brain health hemorrhage, lighting because I had some high blood pressure in my in medical school. So it was so agonizing. And when I was thinking about it, again, in certain points of my body, this energy started whittling with tremendous speed. But it was a very frightening experience. So I threw myself off the bed, crawl to the washer, open the cold water tip. And as the water was falling on my head, everything calmed down. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. And in the evening, I remember when I I came out on the balcony of my apartment and looking at the mountains and the river. Everything seemed rather painting, like, as it has no real substance, as it made about papers. Yeah. So first the event. Is this something that you had already? Would you call this a kundalini experience? In those days, I didn't know about it. So I went to one of the chief months of the ashram and I said, I had this experience, can you explain, but he couldn't, he just gave a smile. And that was over. After this event, what happened is spontaneously, I used to fall in almost ecstasy. So I'm walking in ecstasy was so so strong, that I felt like dancing in the street. So then I started searching what it is all about. Yeah. And I got some idea that it may be what is classified as kundalini experience. Yes. Wow. And I have heard from other accounts, that people often say, Be careful what you wish for, because it can produce such an intense physical sensations reaction, like you said, you, you felt like your head was, you just said it was like a really intense feeling. And that you had to put your head under the water. When students come to you and say, I wish I could have that experience to do you, do you say, Oh, it's wonderful? Or do you come at it with a little bit of be careful what you wish for? What are your feelings here on this, I think is that whenever a student comes, I always take the the history of life. Because many people are traumatized. They have post traumatic stress disorder, they are going through anxiety or, or triggers in the brain, or depression. In those people, I will say, yes, you can embark on this journey. But you have to prepare yourself. You must develop your own healthy identity or sense of self. So just connecting to the very ordinary world, because still you are traumatized. But there are other people who don't have that kind of problem. I will say go for it. Because like any other path, er, it is a risky path, but you are not going to die. You may suffer. You may go through ups and down. But you're okay. But not in the traumatized people. Yeah, that makes sense. That's amazing. Dr. Jeeva. So I love hearing the story. And I also you mentioned that you're also a Chinese medicine doctor. So and so you when at what point if you graduated with your medical degree, and then you became a renunciant? Or went into the monastery? When did you begin your studies into Chinese medicine? It was after 12 years of my medical school. One of the reason why that because we were migrating to Canada in Bahrain, then I was very clear, in my mind, what is the purpose of my life? So I didn't want to go into the medicine in Canada because my wife is a family physician here. So I wanted to choose a discipline which will connect to my experiences and simultaneously I'm not going to work for eight to 10 hours high stress job. So I choose Chinese medicine because it is all related with chi and energy. Yeah. And also, it is a low intensity job and not as stressful. Yeah. Amazing. Can you share a little bit of insight that you've gleaned in relation to your understanding of the body and medicine from the Western world and or the medical world and the understanding of health and the body from the Chinese model? Can you explain maybe where you see them similar, and where you see a vast difference? Well, there is no was different sexually. And the reason being that, when we see the vast difference, it is a matter of interpretation. Because all these ancient system, whether Chinese medicine, or Kundalini Yoga, their interpretation and body and its energy is almost, you know, 3000 5000, to your suit. And also, it was based on feeling because in those days, we were not dissecting the party, we didn't have MRI and all those investigation. So by observation by contemplation, they put the systems but of course, there was a political element and there was a cultural element. So it became a little mystical and, and mythical all. So but once, you know, I was experiencing, I studied Western medicine, and also studied Kundalini yoga and acupuncture, I didn't find any fundamental difference. Amazing. That's really cool. I recently had a chance to go see a anatomy teacher named Gil had Les Paul offer a talk on he dissected in a cadaver the entire nervous system, brain, spinal cord, and nerves that innervate at the spinal column, and he, he kind of showed where these nerve Plexus AI are in relation to at the root chakra, around about the solar plexus, right behind the heart in the throat. And he said, I'm not a yogi, but look at these chakras that are right here, there's these incredible nerve Plexus I can you share a little bit about your understanding of the chakra system in relation to the the the Western anatomical model, I think energy needs a some medium to flow. So, in the body, this energy is flowing in various tissues, which includes body fascia, to me, that is the most important and still least studied. Course then it flows into the nerves and the brain and spinal cord, and other tissues. So yes, the energy flow is particularly concentrated at those nerve plexuses, because it's a dense network, and not only not So, usually at these plexuses there is a there is a network of arteries and veins also. So it becomes a very powerful kind of central center of energy flow, because energy needs medium just like electricity needs a vI to flow. Yes, and because I'm observing this phenomena in me, for the last almost 3035 years, so to me, I can relate it to very, very clearly by feeling and then confirming through anatomy and through physiology and other investigations. That's awesome. Dr. Diva, can you you've, you've started a yoga program called Soma yoga, can you explain a little bit how this evolution took place for you? There, so, I mean up to three years ago, you know, I followed a very different system. And two years ago, I felt my journey of energy in this body passed completed. So, my insight, I thought came to the completion. So, I completely moved away from Kundalini yoga or other yoga so naturally to yoga and I put together a complete system of teaching. So it is not yoga yoga is a small component of it, which we call somatic yoga, but it is a whole system like a Buddhist system. So which starts the problems of human world, why they are there, what we can do about those problems, and what will be the result it. So I'll give you a synopsis of it. So the first question which we ask is Soma. What do we want to attain in this life? All of us, regardless of culture, religion color in country, then the answer to that question in some eyes, we all want to attain complete health, and fulfillment. Of course, some people, you know, they are not in that if they are depressed, and all those kinds of things, but by and large, whether I'm in politics, or incorporation, religion, spirituality, engineering, doctor, it doesn't matter. We all have that impulse, that I want a complete head, and I want to complete my story of life, I want to feel fulfilled. So that is, first question. Second question is, why don't we attain that goal? Because most people, actually they wander around in the world trying different thing experiencing. And only few come to a very beautiful conclusion to their life and say, Yes, I did it, and I'm accepting my mortality, my death. Why that doesn't happen. It is because of the five lives trauma. All of us without exception, even so called Healthy People, they go through trauma. So the first trauma is of ancestral trauma, called epigenetics from our ancestors past generations. Second, trauma is when the child is in the womb, and Mother is going through stress, it's wildness and problems. The trauma is the boat trauma, because a child going through a very narrow birth canal plus you train a spouse, it creates trauma. Fourth, trauma is the trauma of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. And the last trauma and the most unrecognized and the most universal is social and cultural conditioning. A child which is born with a unique personality, unique energy, unique potential, ultimately, becomes the part of the pattern of a of a religion of a politics of a family tradition, customs, and so on and so forth. And almost crippled, forgets the child that I was born with some unique thing, which I'm supposed to express in the world. So, that is the second one in Soma, five traumas of life. So, the third question comes, how I can undo it, what is a solution? So, in Soma, we have two things. Number one, practices, and those practices of course, you know, yoga practice or body stretches, breathing, meditation, then also we call soumettre, fullness summit of fullness, just like mindfulness, we are aware of thoughts and emotion, here we are focusing on the messages of the body. So, we coined a new term somatic fullness like that, and in the last practices, our bodies intimacy, if we are in a stable relationship, then so meta may see intimacy of the body is one of the practice in order to reverse this. So that is the practice part. Then second one is understanding our innate personality, it is called dosha. In IV, we modified it, so I can understand my unique original personality with which I was born and put a self care plan. So anyway, it will be 24 hours, practice, how much sleep is needed, what kind of exercise how much food, my work, my relationship, my clothes. So the practice is 10 personality is the way to slowly slowly remove removing those trauma. And the last one is, what will be my experience. And we start with sensations of the energy in the body. And then gradually when these sensations fill up the body, it become sense when we have a sensual body without sex. He finally this energy, bio energy, physical energy breaks the boundary of the party and merges into Universal biological heritage. So as you can see so much, it's not just one thing, it is the whole Yes, yes. In incredible you know, I, I seems like can you tell me what the main styles of yoga or types of yoga that you practice that then helped you to form this very holistic approach because it sounds like you will you did make mention of which even under yoga obviously, there was a hatha yoga practice and, but then I know there's or from what I understand there's, you know, you have contact with bhakti yoga and devotion and, but it even sound like Tantra Yoga in relation to this sensuality without sex or this feeling of like pleasure perhaps in the body, do you feel like you're being able to because you've had so many years of practice and you know, deep practice being in a monastery, that, that this where all this is generating from and where you've, you've gotten this foundation from this site, oh, before that, I would like to mention that whatever we do is connected with sites. So, our system of Soma is non religious and even non spiritual, it is not mystical, it is not metaphysical, it is biological and connecting with sites. So, that is one fact. I like that, yeah, what kind of yoga we have to invent a new type of yoga. So, somatic yoga actually, is person centered, it is based on the wisdom of the body. So there there is no instructor truly in this kind of yoga. So, people who participate in this yoga, they feel their body, and based on that feeling, they will take a posture, they will sustain it between 20 to 42nd. remain aware about the body. And then they will break it and relax for 10 to 22nd. Take the second posture. So that is how we do total of nine, three in standing three incident three inline down, but completely come from the participant, not from the instructors. That's cool. And the the answer to the second question, yes, it was almost 26 years ago, when this so called place or sensibility happened to me. It was September 7, I remember and I woke up I was in Canada, and my body was filled with this extraordinary energy, that same energy which I experienced in 1984, but in a milder form, and with that came in place. So since 1996, keep Neverland to intermittently disappears, if there is a crisis I become oblivious, but it comes again. And this bliss is again very biological, it has nothing to do with anything mystical again, it is the result of the reward or pleasure center in our brain. And each cell of the body. So if you study neurobiology, our body and brain is the largest pharmacy containing all the molecules, hormones and chemicals, which will give us peace, passion, patient 10, please. So my body vibrates like a tuning for almost 24 hours. And that vibration is like a placer is like a very gentle place. And sometimes it becomes very strong. But nonetheless, it is always there. And it is a result of awakening of the body. Each cell of the body which contains cannabis, dopamine, serotonin, endorphins and so on and so forth. became active. Wow. That's amazing. Do so based off what you're I will first I really love that. It sounds like you've you're somehow blending all Have the lore of yoga in relation to spirituality and or Kundalini and these elements with this very grounded and like you use the term like Buddha style of awareness where there's not a lot of extra attention on a God or religion or a certain spiritual idea. Like it seems very practical what you're saying it also sounds to me like you're saying, everybody has this as their underlying makeup, they're our brains are full of all of these pleasure, sort of chemicals and biology that if we just somehow experience it, or feel it, so then how do you explain to say, Me, the the layman coming in, and I'm the first, the first time that I've really never come across any sort of these ideas before I've never done any study or practice, I come study with you. How do you feel like, do you have an you have these certain practices that you're teaching me, you said, like, I'm not going to tell you which pose to do. But I want you just to assume some sort of position and pay attention to how you feel. And then we stop. And then we take a little break. And we try again, which I like that idea because it seems like a lot of times yoga teachers are saying here, copy me. And here's the move into do this move and follow this move or, and, and I like the fact that you're working off this intuitive knowledge or almost like trying to go straight into the intuition right away, or I don't know if intuition is the right word, but that that like really trying to get folks to feel what's happening no matter what they're doing, no matter what position they're in. So I guess, when you have that person that is really traumatized. Do you still feel that everybody has this potential? Absolutely. Because what happens in trauma, a lot of stress hormones are released. And they are released for a very long time. So all those stress hormones, they start changing biochemistry of our brain and the body. So body's natural rhythms, which is called homeostasis, a natural balance of the body is discharged. So each cell basically is retaining the memory of the trauma and there are researchers about so even if we are thinking of the trauma, our emotions and thoughts are converted into molecules. In fact, Candace pert from United States wrote a book about it molecules of emotions. So all of our body and brain are modified because of the one or other type of trauma. So we cannot access natural biological rhythm of the body because it is not functioning in its natural way. So what we want to do, we want to unclog the body in the brain, through either practices, or through understanding our original personality. Yes, once the unclogging start, we start experiencing this homeostasis, natural balance. And one of the experiences is high energy, we start gaining energy from inside, we experiences patient in the sense of rapture or ecstasy on place. And with the surplus energy, some creativity, so that process is startups. And eventually, when this energy inside us from trickle to the stream to becomes a massive River, it just washes away the body, each cell of the body and leave us with the original biological beautiful. Can you tell me then what your feelings are in relation to Soma, and children and adults? Their sight, but unfortunately, our spiritual traditions or yogic traditions, they were mainly focused on adults not knowing that before the age of 80 years, almost 80 to 90%. personality of a child is complicated. means that after the age of eight to nine years, whatever happens is basically Unknown. Holding up those years. So, of course, we can transform adult adults can transform them, but it is much more difficult because they are carrying this pattern for such a long time that this is etched in their brain and body. So, they can make changes, but here if we are talking about transformation, it is difficult. So, that is why we thought you know, we are working with adults for last so many years, but we have to work with children. So, Soma parenting is the second part. So, there is a summer program for the adults and soma parenting for children, it is about children, we don't talk to children directly, because from our point of view, parents are the main educators began before the age of eight, they are in intimate contact. So, if they are trained well, if they get given this idea, upbringing of their children will be different or grandparents or carers. So, that is what so, so, my parenting program is and it is based on two principles a root and wings is a very popular term root means when they can be rooted in their body. Or nowadays, this is a big challenge to route children in their body because of the technology because of social media, mobile and Internet and so on and so forth, we are disconnecting from the body more and more. So, preserving the body connection, ensuring emotional safety and security through law cultivating a sense of abundance. So they are not deficient inside searching hole of their life, despite all their riches and billions is still they want to grab whatever comes their way because in these people there is a lack of abundance. So that is what we call routings. So because children have to be rooted in a family in a culture, otherwise they will be ruthless and ruthless child suffer from many emotional mental and physical health problem routing. And the second part is wings, that not only we route, we give them wings. So when the time comes, they could fly in the freedom in the vast space on their own. And those wings are given to children by observing their temperament or somatic personality with which they are born. So parents become observer watcher, and they adjust everything, according to the child. So it's a very child centered approach. So they are not not like sculptors or molders, who are trying to you know, mold. No, they are like gardeners, they are watching. They are watching and observing, and just creating a protective fence to protect them from trauma. But other than that, they are going creating boundary no problem. But according to child bispecific somatic personnel. Wow. That's amazing. Because Well, first I love that you're taking the approach of educating the parents with the understanding that the child is going to learn from the parents best at that, at that absorption level, up until age eight, nine. So that's brilliant. Because it's not like you say okay, now parents, you go over their children, you come over here, because like, you know how like when you go to I mean, personally growing up in church, it was like the parents went over here, and they take the kids over there. And then you know, but I like that you're kind of is a more holistic and and then the education that parents are receiving to listen and to watch the children because there's really nothing more fulfilling than personally when I see my child flourish and and I'm just in awe of what they're doing. And I'm not trying to do anything but just watch them. So I love that you're doing it that way that's just and that that that could solve a lot of problems that occur in hate to go down this track but like in religious institutions where children are taken advantage of an all that challenge was it just, it seems a smart route to do it this way. So I love that I don't think I've really heard anybody articulate that like that before. That's that's, that seems like a very smart move. And then I, I like the way that you're pointing out that they still have boundaries, and you're still creating a safe space. So it's not like you're just saying, oh, kids, excuse me, kids, go to school, do whatever you want. And you know, we don't care. We're not paying attention. I'm too busy. I'm working. So you know, I don't have time for you. So, you know, and letting the child develop. But you know, you're there you're protecting, but you're not meddling so much. And I love the sculpting analogy too. Because I feel like, like, as a helicopter parent, we can try to control everything so much. So I think, wow, being raised as a child under this sort of in light, it's under this sort of guidance would just be wouldn't experience like, how, how amazing. Very cool. I like everything. You're saying? What, what else? What else? Can you add to this? What what? I'm enjoying learning? So thank you. Well, the thing is, it is going in my life because I have a granddaughter now who is two years old? No, congratulations. Yeah, what happened, she was few hours old, and I was holding her. Then I thought as a grandfather, what I can give her in a very turbulent world world of ours is a globalized world, but at all level, you know, political, economic, social, technological level, they will take tremendous turbulence. So what I can give to this little granddaughter of mine, and then there's so much parenting in marched. So we are bringing her up, you know, myself, my daughter and her husband and my wife, with the same principles, because we recognize her personality from the day three or four, actually, you can do with it even in the womb, because truly children's education starts at the moment of conception, what I call point zero, because you know, it's a baby inside is all sponge, absorbing all kinds of influences, very well proven by by research. So actually, to me, it's not a philosophy is not a teaching. Every day, I spent two hours with my granddaughter, and whatever her talking, so my parent is implemented in her life. Yes, that's cool. I wanted to ask you, I was curious if you had children and or grandchildren. So that that makes sense that you've been able to experience this directly and learn from that direct experience as opposed to reading it in a book or, but I think for those that don't have children, this is great advice, too, because we all interact with children. So, you know, I think everybody could benefit from this, even if parenting isn't what calls, you know, if someone isn't called to be a parent, or just doesn't become a parent, for whatever reason. There's so many opportunities that we could still experiment with this, obviously. Yeah, because they can we can call them carers. And as far as my children were concerned, I made mistakes. And that is, I came to the conclusion that I made many mistakes, which parents make Yes, but I'm not going to repeat those mistakes if possible. Yeah. But you are very right. Anybody can implement that for other children, even if they don't have their own. I'm curious Dr. Jeeva. So do you have a clinic and or a gathering space where you either lead discussions, practices, classes, are you doing everything online? are you how are you interacting with your community? In what way are you able to share your your passion for this? Right I mean, before pandemic I was traveling all over the world. And but I was mainly working in Rishikesh, India in Hamilton, Canada, so a lot of traveling lot of impersonal meeting very little online. But during the COVID we shifted everything online. And it continued until one year ago when we decided okay, we have to go and do in person program and we started in last one year. So we are doing on an average, seven to eight programs in a week. And most of them are in English, but one is in Hindi language, Indian language and one is in French, for the people from the France. And so some of them are online, and some of them are in person at two, three places around Toronto area. Wonderful. And for those of us that don't live near you, and or aren't in Russia cash, we can go to your website, which is g vasu.org. And find programs or ways to study and learn some of these ideas that you're sharing. Exactly, because that is what we do. Most of our programs are free. And because the idea was new teaching, so we didn't want to charge anything. And even in the future for longer certification program, if the charge is going to be just administrative cost, the idea is not making money from from this, I suppose we don't need. So yes, they can approach us, there is a website, they can register for free, they can write me an email, I will respond to all their questions. So anywhere because generally in our programs, our people are from all over the world. So in a single setting, you know, from two three continents, so yes. How many languages do you speak Dr. Jeeva? So obviously English, obviously Hindi. Yeah, English, just two languages. My language skills are not great. So I could just speak of course, Hindi, no problem. And then, once I got it, I got married to my my wife who is Canadian. I have to speak English before that. I was not interested. Well, your English. India? Yes. Your English is amazing. So well done. I know. It's not easy. It's not easy to transfer over. Yeah, no, it's not. That's so cool. Man. That's amazing. Do you still do you still work with acupuncture slash Chinese medicine with a one on one patients? Or clients? Because I stopped my practice almost eight years ago. But before I realized that, I found my destiny, my purpose. I'm not wondering anymore. Absolutely. Everything is clear. So I have to pour all my energy into into it. Yes, yes. What do what what do you what do you think we need to do? Dr. Jeeva, su as a as a as a globe, as a world as a people as a humanity. Obviously, if all of us started to listen to our bodies, and started to feel our bodies, and started to realize that we don't need to necessarily accumulate 1000s Millions, billions, that because if everything is already here, in our brains and spinal columns and bodies, and with our families and the amount of joy we can have holding, grandchildren, children, why? Why are we why aren't we? Well? How can we fix this? This idea? I mean, to me, there are two core problems with our contemporary world. Number one is emotional and mental health problem. Number two climate crises, and they are intertwined. And there are two ways to approach it. Collective action at political level, economic level, educational level, people that is collective, but collective action, we cannot be assured because, you know, it's beyond our control also all the we can try, but at least one person who whom we can control is my own body in my own brain. And because this body and brain, I'll explain you a little bit, it is the intersection of three cosmic forces. So this body and brain are just not the the matter. What are those three cosmic forces, number one matter? My physical frame, my bones, my flesh, my arteries and so on and so forth. Second, energy, bio energy, physical energy, which keeps me alive when the energy goes out, I'm debt. And third one is consciousness. Because all of us are conscious. So basically, this body and brain is the micro cosmos Micro Universe, containing all See cosmic forces. So I can connect to any one of them. But we don't connect connect through metaphysical, cultural, mystical mythical, because that may be true that may be not true and there is so much conflict, but at least one thing which we share with everyone is entered three forces regardless of color culture, caste, religion, country, this and that, and this is something very solid, but because in the past we invested so, much in the mind, in the philosophies into systems, which became quite thick, which became so descriptive, that what we ignore, provide the body in fact, in some system, they almost neglect the body and say the body is not the right way to start. So, to me, this is such a simple such a scientific, such a direct way, such an individual way, because this body, inside this body, my feelings are guru, and this Guru is 3.8 billion years old, since the birth of first cell on this earth, all that intelligence is contained in the cellular structure of my body. Like that, I like that you just pull us all the way back to 3.8. The first cell, we are the evolution from that initial cell. Amazing, this body also contains the full future potential. Because, as we unclog this body, energy will flow connect to the universal energy and also consciousness which is pre existing will shine through the body. But once my body is clogged, each cell is obscured become opaque, neither energy can flow nor consciousness shines through it. So this approach through the body is still we go to the same ultimate, but in a much simpler way. Just like a glass jar, whatever is there, full of mud particles, sun is shining, but cannot go through it. So this is my body, a jar full of all these thoughts, memories, trauma, all constantly floating, making this body cloudy. Once we clean this consciousness, we shine through it. It is what we call enlightenment. Samadhi, Nirvana, whatever you call, it doesn't matter. Yes, yes. Ah, if if, right, like if I know where everyone can hear us right now. But if I were to say, Dr. Diva, Sue, can we practice a little bit together right now? Will we just sit in silence together? I mean, what what? I know, we don't need to make any sort of movements or body postures or, but I mean, I already feel really relaxed. And I've enjoyed speaking with you. So I feel your excitement and your passion through the way that you're communicating. But if anybody was listening, and you were to guide us into, I mean, you already are silent. You're not to do anything else. But I'm just curious. Um, is there any other specific instruction you wish you could share to help us? Connect with connect with what you're speaking of? Because I have, I have felt that myself too, with in relation to meditation, doing long, long meditation retreat and having sensations in the body and feeling like, Wow, I've never experienced this before. This is amazing. And it's so simple, and it's just right here. So I feel 100% What you're talking about, I agree with you. I don't have any doubts. I don't have any doubts. But I still feel sometimes that I feel that cloudiness in me and I still mold around about my own personal, whatever, past history and trying to come to terms with everything. And so I'm just curious what the next step is, what can I do to just kind of break on through a little deeper into this? Yeah, I mean, you want me to practice something, or I think respond to your question. Yeah. Well, yeah, respond to my question, please. And then whatever you said, what to do to on prog this body and brain and let energy flow through it like river inlet consciousness shine through it. Yes, certain practices we talked and I can practice just one now to give an idea of what we do in Soma. But second one is even more important than practice which is self knowledge means your own personality, each one of us born with a unique personality, at any point, we can pick up the threat. And that will tell us exactly the kind of lifestyle Genting changes which we can bring in our daily life, to shift everything to regain that original body of a child, which was clogged as a result of subsequent trauma. That to me the core because very few system discuss about everybody is talking about philosophy and practice. But self knowledge begins with understanding myself my mind and body. But that is a big exercise because it takes some time to come to that. But now, if you want, I can practice something, if you would like I will be great, thank you. It is called somatic breathing. And to tell you very quickly, our body doesn't stop at skin. Our brain maps three to four feet space around us. In neurosciences, it is called Peri personal space, most of us lose it. So that is why we are troubled by external words so much, because there is no protective sheath around us, which is the extension of the body. So somatic breathing is to reclaim this space. So it becomes like a mobile, meditation sell, wherever we go. In the marketplace. Flight crank says it will be there with us. In yoga, it is called a smeta. That is by Patanjali Yoga Sutra mentioned Susmita Samadhi. There's somebody basically reclaiming the space is spontaneously how we can practice it by breathing slow and D. Then with each inhalation our arms, they go up about our head slowly. And as we are breathing out, we make an arc, this circle around the body by extending our arms, then coming down. So inhalation up fully stretched above our head, an exhalation coming down. And this space is called very personal space. And it was so beautifully diagrammed by Leonardo da Vinci. If you remember the human because he was aware of it. Every single artist, musician, painter, healer is aware of this space. So now we can practice for few minutes. Yes, so please, close your eyes softly. Relax your shoulders. Good Hands and feet are sought your back straight but not tense. Bringing your attention to your breath as you inhale and exhale and now your breathing becomes a little more slow, a little more deep, but remains in check. Flow the end gentle breathing, finding your natural pace and rhythm so you are not strained by it. And now with this slow deep breathing during inhalation, slowly raising your arm taking them about your head fully stretched and as you exhale bringing them down forming an arc or circle around your body bringing them to their original position on your thighs are nice. too, we are going to harmonize slow breathing with the movements of your arms. So, repeating it with deep inhalation slowly and gently taking your arm about your head fully stretched you and with exhalation bringing them down forming an arc in a circle feel that arc or circle because that is your personal space game slow and deep inhalation armies going fully stretched about your head coming down forming circular arc and bringing them to college the petition so, please continue few more times with your natural Drayton comfort you are aware of your arms movement and also a space which you are encircling you are reclaiming. Once the space is established around you external disturbances other people's emotions thoughts will be reflected back in within this space you will remain calm peaceful relaxed Of course you can continue with any number of minutes but here we will relax stopping the movements breathing will become normal. But now you are feeling the pain personal space three to four feet of space that you're encircled by your arms you are in your presence and big establishing the space that will always remain in Europe presents us meta. Evening It put another minute and then slowly opening our eyes and that was great. Thank you. Thank you. God I'm really appreciative Dr. Auntie Vasu. What a wonderful introduction. I'm so happy to meet you. Thank you. I'm so happy to meet both so in this conversation and a beautiful ending to it as well. Like I'm really pleased that we could practice with you a little bit. Thank you. And yeah, if you don't mind, I would like to say a few lines. Yes, please. It's about right care is about Soma. Right care for my body. Feelings, intellect and wisdom. Right gear for my family, community, country in art. Let this right care come from a sense of love, oneness, an action. Like this right care bring me the place of conscious living. I affirm it. I affirm it. 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