Sai Pedireddi & Sai Kalyan: Yoga, Breathing, Cinematography, and Investing | #37

Sai Pedireddi returns for his second time on the podcast (episode #28). However, this time he has brought his uncle Sai Kalyan.  Sai Kalyan is a yoga instructor. He conducts happiness, yoga, and meditation workshops, where he teaches people to overcome stress through powerful breathing techniques. Thus helping them lead a joyful, peaceful, and productive life.  So we discuss meditation and yoga for the first half of the episode. We even practiced a breathing technique in the middle of our conversation. Sai Kalyan also has a passion for cinematography and photography.  He saved up for a professional quality movie camera and started a media company. Sometimes he rents out his camera and sometimes he directs or produces his own films. So we do a deep dive into his cinematography experience during the second half of the episode. Sai Pedireddi is passionate about cryptocurrency and he shares his mindset on investing at the beginning and the end of the conversation.  

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Hello. Welcome back to another episode of the drive program. My name is Tom driver and today both of my guests are named PSI. The side that I was already friends with, came on the show with his friend, Stan, and we mostly talked about lifting. But specifically when psych comes on the show, he really likes to talk about cryptocurrency. So I talked about cryptocurrency, some with my friends PSI. And then. My other guests, I is actually size uncle. So we referred to him as Kellyanne for most of the episode, just to. Avoid confusion between the two. But He is a yoga instructor. He conducts the happiness, yoga, and meditation workshops, where he teaches people to overcome stress through powerful breathing techniques. Thus helping them lead a joyful, peaceful, and productive life. So we talk about meditation and yoga for a big chunk of this episode. Kellyanne also has a passion for cinematography and photography. So he likes to direct movies. He was able to purchase a movie camera of the highest quality. So he's got to work with a lot of cool people because of his camera. He rented out sometimes, or sometimes he makes his own films. So we do a deep dive into that as well. Kellyanne. is also a software engineer and he practices martial arts, but We didn't even have the time to talk about those two passions. So hopefully I can have him back on the show someday. And we'll do a deeper dive into those topics. And then as I mentioned, my friend's side and I talk about cryptocurrency a little bit in the beginning and the end of this episode as well. All right. So I had a great time talking to these guys. I learned so much about yoga. This was the first time I've had a yoga instructor. On the podcast. So that's something I'm going to start trying to implement in my life. And then we even got to talk about our, we got to practice a breathing technique in the middle of the episode. So I hope you guys join along with that. And learn something about mindfulness. All right. Enjoy the episode. This is episode 37 of the dry program. With guests, PSI and PSI. Okay. So you're both named Cy. I feel like we should just get that out into the open first. Right? How did you guys meet? How do you guys know each other? This is my uncle pretty much, right? This is my grandma's little sister's son, Michael. But he's only a few years older than me. And like, yeah, my great-grandparents were busy, you know, for a long time. like I think the youngest one was like, you know, 20 years away from birth, I named CYA. You know, I used to love this dude. You know what I mean? It's so small, you know, you're so cute. And then I used to carry him. we bet in south India. Right. You know, I was there initially, so I used to love this. There was so much, and you know, I used to name him, like I said, like a side, side, side, side, That's cute. I did not know that. You're basically his uncle. That's crazy. should I call you guys different names? Like, should I call you uncle Cy and him, you know, nephew side or side though? Oh, you're younger. Yeah, you can, you know, so like my full name is His name is so I call him. Yeah, you can call me call yet. Okay. Can I just call my sigh and you call you on for now? Yeah. Okay. Because if I call him, call me. Yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Callie and where, where are you right now? Like where do you live? I live in Atlanta, Georgia right now, right now. Right, right now. I'm in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Dubai. Would that be okay? What are you doing in Dubai? So I'm at my wife's parents' place. So I came for a visit. Okay. It's short span of time. So one of the things that, you know, I also thought, you know, I would attend the expo because, you know, if you have heard about Dubai exports, one of them. Architectural Marvel. It's so beautiful. So it's about innovation. It's about creativity and sustainability. So it was so beautiful. So one of the reasons I came to also visit the expo, which was happening, you know, which just ended March 31st was the last day of the accident. It was for six months and then it just ended. So I just, came here to visit that and also to stay here. And expedience Dubai and Abu Dhabi as well. Wait, what, what is the expo? I don't really understand that. Oh, yeah, that's a good question. Even when I heard about it as like, what is expo and then exploit something where all different countries came, like they said, like, you know, we will showcase our technology, our, you know, we could showcase our. All the different countries, they come together and then they show in this expo. That's why I said, right. You know, sustainability, how this sustained energy, how is it sustained, you know, climate how's the climate control and, you know, they show all the different innovations, but also also the development But also, they also talk about the future, you know, how it's going to be in the next coming few years. How they gonna, that sounds negative for that as well. We don't have anything like that in America. We just had two dudes slap each other in the Oscars. You know, there's no innovation box and shit like that. It's like, you know, this girl fell off of a train and it's hilarious. Or, you know, the Chris rock got slapped. And you know what, the, in the expo we had so many celebrate these that have come from us from all of the word all the, every day from the past six months, every day they had concerts, they had, you know, all the, you know I don't know I don't know the names, but not on top of my mind, but, you know, All typically most of the celebrities, like, you know celebrated shows happen. And then they're also music Also happened, music festival also happened over there. So all the celebrities used to come. They used to perform each and every day. I think on the last day I think, and came in and many other people say, you can just see on the online yet. Isn't it. Isn't Dubai where they make like their own islands. Like they have these islands that go up the coastline. Is that Dubai or my incorrect. No, they, they made it like Dubai is basically, you know, it's, it's an island itself. But also it has mostly sand and stuff. The transform the sad place of sand into a beautiful city where you come there, you don't feel like you're in, in inside is in sand. Right? You feel like, you feel like you're somewhere in paradise. It's so beautiful. Many tourists come in. So what they did is they invested more on infrastructure and how to make each building is unique. Not like in us ready, new USB house that we're in, everybody builds the same kind of a building or a house right here. Every house is unique. Every tower is unique. Do they have like, though? Oh yeah, they do. I bet it's on a different level, right? I'm sure it's fire that have like a Salton burger and stuff. I'm sure. It's great. Mix soulmate, right? That's right. That's right. That's right. That's awesome. Yeah. All right. Yo OSI, let's check in with you for a little bit. Before I start ripping a bunch of questions at So how has your fitness life been and how has the crypto life been? Because the last time we talked, the market was really up actually. And since then, I know the crypto market has gone down a lot. So I'm curious, I'm curious to check in with you on how everything was. I think we really haven't found anywhere. And like, like I had mentioned that I told you, like, after the holidays, it gets really bloody, like January, February, not good. Right. And then March, you see things like kind of swing your up upwards a little bit. Like, and then, you know, April may is good time. So that's just the cycles. That's how it is. And stock markets, you know, it's just how. How it all happens because of taxes and institutions taken advantage of tax times and dumping their stocks or splitting stocks, you know, showing losses, whatever that needs to happen. Right. Wait, so this is a yearly cycle that happens every year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it could happen. It could happen in three years, four years. It's just like full cycles. There's like. So, did you sell, did you sell a bunch of stuff before? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. We were talking about, I was like, Hey, like you have to take profits. Nobody makes money by just buying something. Right? Yeah. You can buy something and there's interest. You can earn by folding a Solano snake or whatever, but the real money comes from when you sell shit. Nobody makes money by just buying fancy Rolexes, right? Like, yeah, you have it. You could show it to the bank. You can take a loan on it. Right. That's a dope asset, but you're going to sell it at some point. Right? That's that's the whole reason why you do this. People get really married to the projects and they're like, they see it as something. Different than what it is in the stock market. It's not the actual asset you're buying and selling a contract. Right. You're using this company as a position. Like you see oil go up and down like crazy. Right. But oil prices outside are constantly rising. It's not like you're not trading the PR the reality of oil. You're trading the speculation of oil, right. You're trading the speculation of crypto. So you have to sell at some points. I still own a bunch. And then I bought in a lot at like 36 we're at 46. Now, like it's, if you look at the yearly chart for like any sort of asset, it's just a sideways market, bro. I think we're doing well. I mean 46, 5 is not bad. I think last time we talked. 54 or something. And we, we know we dumped down to like 30 to 32 K per Bitcoin, you know, that's like crazy. that was scary. But yeah, just two years ago, bro, we were at 3,009,000. So like if you're in crypto from a long time ago, this is like just the natural thing, you know, cycles moving up, take profits, buybacks. But for newcomers, you know, you really have to manage your risk wisely, right? And you need to sell, you need to buy, you need to manage this shit, especially if you're buying tops and like the economy is trash. So inflation is going to go crazy. Everything's going to be more expensive and people are going to have less money. So you gotta be careful. That's true. let's check in with crypto then again at the end to make sure we have time for our new guests. Right. But since you know him, can you help me kind of ask him interview questions as well? Right. Okay. Cool. So I wanted to talk about yoga first. Cause I've never had anyone on the podcast is interested in yoga, so I understand that like yoga is not just stretching, right? People say it's a way of life. So in your own words, like what is, what, what even is yoga? Yeah, that's a good question. That's how I came into yoga, you know, and I was, I was like a fat kid and really like, oh man, yoga means you need, you really become like really hot, you know, hot looking guy. Right. You know, that's, that's the mind that we see on TV or internet and that's how it has been sold most of the time. It's like, oh, you need to stretch. And some people as a beginner, when I, when I started like, oh, yoga means I need to like really stretch, but I'm not that flexible. So that also scared me out when I bring them. And I heard about yoga, so I never looked into it. Then one of the teachers said, okay, he came to our, you know, I was in, in Mandarin. Then he came and spoke about yoga, meditation, breathing technique. I was like, wow, this is amazing. What he told was something changed my mind. He said, if you want something in your life and you, you don't have willpower, you will never achieve it. But if you want something in your life and then if you want to go all out for it, have the inner strength. And how do you get that inner strength through yoga? You can get the inner strength. I was just hooked up with that one word with that term where inner strength. I never heard about it, but in Isaac inner strength, oh, you want to do so many things in your life, but yet you need to have that inner strength somewhere. Right. And the moment I heard about it as like, okay, I want to go. It doesn't matter what it is, but I just want to go and see what this teacher is going to talk about. Right. Then I realized yoga is not just stretching, not just moment. It's about uniting the body breath and the mind together, whatever you do, you're aware of it. That becomes yoga. You don't even have to stretch right now, you're listening. But if you're totally listening to me, that becomes you. And if you are breathing, can you take your attention to your breathing right now? I am. You see the moment you go into the breathing, there is the sense of awareness that comes in that becomes your better. So that's hooked me up. They go, wow, this is so cool. This is something I really want to learn rather than, you know, learning it later. You know, I took a stretching is a, is a part of. But not the straight thing is yoga, but that's how I came into yoga. I thought it was like crap, right? Like, you know, you just see, it's not, you know, you just see like older women doing it because they want to stay in shape. Like how we're shown yoga in the United States is not how you see yoga in India at all. These are like yogis. Old saints, living under waterfalls, eating mushrooms all day and shit like doing chants and like doing. Breathing meditations, like Kundalini yoga and stuff like that. Literally like locks your body up. You're frozen in time. You're like vibrating. You're looking down at yourself. You're having like psychedelic vision tools as well. It's very deep. And like, you kind of get, it takes like lots of time to do, right? Like, it's not like, oh, you just do it for 10 minutes. Now it takes like an hour to do and you might have to do it over and over. And you might, it might take you a year to like, get a breakthrough. Right. Like, and breakthroughs are different for different people. So it's like, you know, I didn't get to experience it too much. Cause I'm, I'm late. And like, there's lots of shortcuts to get that meditative states, you know? But. He teaches this shit and he's great at it. And like, I'll do it whenever he forces me to. And it's fantastic. Like, you can get really, really deep into it. I wanted to see if you can talk about when you started coming to America and really following the OSH from around and like doing some of the. the social benefits stuff and like you're really out there teaching yoga to people. And, you know, if you want to talk about the deeper levels, you know, that'd be awesome. Sure, sure. Yeah. Yes, I you know, one thing I realized when I came to us. So be Frank in us, everybody is everybody thinks they're great. Yes, they are great. Right. Everybody's there in their own shell, I will say. And then another thing that I realized is people are so, you know, compassionate, I've seen this personally because one is going through their own. They are into their own mind most of the time. Right. Otherwise, you know, people are so nice, friendly, and only if they're, if they're, around and then if they're able to take care of their own things, then they used to be more friendly towards other people. This is what I observed when I came to us first, because in India, it's a different culture. It's like in India. You know, you don't have to tell someone to schedule an appointment to meet you, your friend or your family. Also, if they just come like, you know, they just come in and show up and you're like, oh my God, I have so many things to do. It doesn't matter. Like they are there. Right. And when I came here, you know, my friends still like taking appointments later. Oh, you know what? I'll come at this time on this day. What? It doesn't matter. I'm your friend. You can come at any time. Right. And then people. Into their own own stuff. And I was like, oh my God, what is happening? You know, it was getting so alone when it, when I came to, I saw just to say, so I came to us in 2008 to do my master's in computer science. So I didn't information technology in India. and allow now technology. So one thing that really. Books mean to you know, my own stuff is going through technology. Right. You know, always something new and something new comes up. So that's how I used to like, you know, I allowed information technology, so I thought I would do more. And then I came to, you know, to a place called Arkansas little rock and, you know, and I came to Arkansas. People were like, where is this place? so I came from a master's in university of Arkansas at little rock. I came in. I could see more trees than people like in Arkansas, like in very isolated place and know there are people everybody's in their on life. And then I used to be go magic. What I, if I don't see people and then if I don't meet people, it's, it's going to be tough for me. And, and glad because I also started learning yoga at that point of time. Six. I started learning yoga. And then when I came to us 2008, the yoga and meditation helped me to come out of any depression that is hitting me or stress that is hitting me because yeah, education is great. You know, people are great as well, but the lifestyle was different over here. You know, everybody's doing their own thing. And then only on the weekends we use. That's the culture. Right. You know, because you're, you're busy in your own thing and you can make, then I realized, no, no, no, this is not the way. Then I started, you know, also going out and talking about yoga to people and then people took it very nice because they were going through stress. And how do I define stress is having some energy and then having work. If the work is higher than your entering. That's when we feel stressed, right. And only way to reduce work. You can you reduce work each and every day? Is it possible? No. Right. No, no. It keeps growing every day. Something else, the other keeps piling, but the only other way I could see is how do you increase the energy, right. That way to match my work. But also I can take, I can take care of things that I love. I'm passionate. And yoga really helped me at this point. I said, you know, come what may I'll I'll practice or whatever. I learned, you know, yoga do you need to practice yoga then in the morning to give yourself more energy or if you practice yoga at night, does that kind of give you energy for the next day? Does that transfer over or is it more of a morning ritual than. That's a good question. Tom I would say you can do it at any time. Yoga doesn't have to be morning or evening or at night. It depends. So yoga has different aspects to it. So, so for example there's. Hatha yoga, which is, you know, you do different postures, right? And then yoga leads to meditations. It's good if you do it in the morning because you know, when do you need more energy, right? It's in the morning, mostly when you go to work or you wake up in the morning are you want to do something creative? That's when you need most energy, right. And you want to take good decisions. So if you want to do that in a generally it's good in the morning. Okay to be Frank. I was not a morning person, so I wake up late. I don't know if you guys can relate to it. Okay. Let me wake up late. And then, and, and your mind works at night. Some people's mind works at night and it's like, you're like, oh wow. You go all out at night and then suddenly in the morning, then you're like, right. So it all depends on you can, you can alter your times as. In this current times, right? Otherwise there are people who are really strict. You need to do yoga at this time. because you know, you, you will get so much energy in the morning. It's my lifestyle. It's not like that. Right. If you push too much, it will not work. And then you'll put yoga because you know, it's not fitting your schedule. Right. So I would say anytime. Okay. But only there's, there are a few, few things that, that having mind during yoga is you don't do yoga in a in a full stomach. Right. You don't eat and do yoga because either you, the people around you feel discomfort because either you're farting or you're snoring, or you're doing something, right. So it's better to do yoga before you eat.'cause you do kind of lose your control a little bit, right? You lose control of your body, a little, no central, or the body size side, but also it's important that your digestion, right. You know, because at the time removing the breath all through your, all through your yes, that's right. Chakra. Yeah, you can literally, sometimes you can feel like the breath moving. Like when they're telling you move it to your knees hands, you can like literally feel the vibrations go through. If you get to that really deep meditative state, you know, it's like, and I think they use it for healing. I, I don't know. Like, do you guys, you know, mentioned a lot of things and you've done a lot of things, there's like unmindful, you know, information and stuff that I really haven't taken advantage of either. And he's always telling me to do it like, and when I have done it, it's so nice. It's so productive. But do you think. You can get that state from doing incredible work outs, saunas, or, you know, anything outside of that, like outside of just like, you know, being aware of your breath and. Living in a moment. Are there other ways? That's a good question. Really good question. I more than say the other ways in no, they compliment each other. They compliment you, your workout, they compliment with your sauna that you do, right. have you watched this movie limitless? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. How do you use your brain to the maximum capacity? Right. And, at times, what do we do? We set our mind, okay. This is the way, right. And what I'm saying is that's good. You know, your workout. See, I'm saying, you know, even if you go and then close your eyes and do meditation, it will not work because if there is no workout, if there is no physical moment, then it doesn't compliment your meditation or your breathing techniques. Right. And it has to go either way from the other perspective. So now you had a great workout and it's important that you relax your body and mind also, you do that, right. You know, in, in one of the days, you know, you work out, you go for gym and then one day it's like complete relaxed. it's important that muzzle also has to relax. Right. Right. And that's why we say they both compliment each other and to maximize of what you need to get to, to do whatever you need to do. Does that make sense, promotes recovery, like when you're preparing your body up and tearing your, your minds up, you blowing out your CNS, you know, I think it's. Yeah. And then I'll do more classes with you as, because we're having this podcast. I feel inspired. Maybe Tom can join on a couple of sessions too. Sure, sure. Yeah. Actually what we, what we can do, what we can do is anyways, at the end, you know, we may maybe do a short meditation, so that can help you to relax at this point of time. So even us who are listening, they can also do it when they leave. Okay. Yeah, let's do that at the end for sure. Just a couple of thoughts as you guys were talking. One is I'm on a bulk right now. I think Cy is two. So I don't know if there's any good time for me to go do a group meditation. Cause I'm eating protein all day long. So if I'm not going to be able to control my farts, that's a scary thought. I might have to do some online classes, but yeah. And then. I'm probably going to end up talking to a lot of people who are into yoga, but they're like from America, like a lot of white girls love, love yoga at this point. So what is something specific to the way they do yoga in India or when you moved here? What are the differences between the way Americans think about yoga and the way people from India? Think about yoga. That's it, you know, I would say now it is more global. There's like white or Indian and thing because you know, every person, you know, I, I have my own friends who have done, you know, we're Americans, you know, they, they have learned yoga. They have done, you know, we went to trainings together, like the teacher's training for yoga and meditation. So I mastered in a breath and meditate. I marshaled in that. So that way you know, yoga is an aspect of, one of the aspect is in, I sold body, right. And also uniting the body breath and mind together. So mind more to manage the mind meditation. You know, but also work out. So currently with Americans, I would say they're also exploring, you know, it's all about learning the skill at the same time, learning from the master, right. Who has already done then some techniques. So right now with the current. I don't know, I worked to call globalization or, you know, I'm more inclusive. People are more included not to separate out with the cultures that people are attending. Okay. This is something which we can initially yoga used to be like an alien concept for people. Right. And then people used to just, and the way, you know, when Bikram yoga, you know, all about Bikram, right? Bikram, yoga, the hot yoga that has come. Have you heard about it? Bikram. Yoga is one of the Saint who has come and then he has started different hot yoga. I would say he has come. So initially people had, oh, your governments. You need to be really in the. Whether our heart place and then your body needs to be like, you know, stretched so much. And now it's like more people are aware of fitness. Yoga doesn't mean only that yoga is more of, you know, stretching at the same time, relaxation, both together. Right. And I can see the difference now. So I would not differentiate between American yoga and Indian yoga, but it's now it's a global yoga. Okay, cool. And then Sy, I've never done yoga. So maybe as a beginner what's something I should expect or, or what do you find difficult or, or how does it perceive yoga? So I know you personally, and I know. You know, all about like accepting new thoughts and ideas and like, you know, new culture and stuff like that. So that's pretty much like that. Just having an open mind. I don't really like, don't expect to like, oh, this is going to help me float to Mars or, oh, my, my leg has a cramp and like, you know, my ankles twisted, this is going to help me out. But it does, dude. It does calm you down. Like instantly it does also give you like the same hit as like a cup of coffee. You know, but it's like instant and there's like really no, no negative aspect to it, other than it takes discipline and time out of your day. But it also gives it back to you because you feel that they slowed down. So you know, it's like very, you know, calming effects at the beginnings. So. It seems like it really helps you live in the present moment, you know? It seems like he really got to focus on the breath and on the body and, and even more than other exercising, it probably pulls you in. And like you were saying, it slows down time. You know, you're running or you're lifting, like sometimes you can kind of zone out on the treadmill or even if you're lifting a certain type of way. But you know, if you're constantly stretching or focusing on your breath, like that's gonna make things kind of slow down for you and make the present moment kind of elongate, you know, is what it kind of sounds like. Right. Nice. Nice. You hit the point, Tom, you hit the point, right? Present moment. Present moment being in the. Right. Have you seen the movie or the Kung Fu Panda Panda? Yeah. Right. Everybody can relate to come that, you know, the what's the says to the Kung Fu Panda says that, you know, a past is the history. Future is a mystery and present is a gift. Right. And that is so true. In current times, we are so busy in social media. You scroll your, you know, the phone. Top to bottom every, every second. Do you agree with that? Right. Your mind is constantly filled with information and it's so hard for us to focus on anything. Right. And yoga, one thing is once you shut your mind, even for the fraction of a second, You have instant energy and that's, I was just mentioning about the coffee, right. You know, coffee, why do you drink it? Because it also gives you that instant relief. Right. But also, you know, you're addicted to it. That's at one level you're addicted to it. But outside at one level, it gives you some, an energy boost of energy instantly. And I'm going to tell you. I have techniques where you can just do do it for a couple of minutes, and then you can just feel the same effects as a coffee, coffee. And I'll tell you a technique where you can you do the technique and then for the next one to two hours, you are like totally focused and then relaxed. Okay. I'll give you a quick, quick analogy. Are you ready for it? Okay, so you all been to school? So you went to school and then you have an exam. For example, you have an exam. So one month before the exam, how is the state of mind, stress or trail? Right? One month, one month, one month, one month before the same thing one day before the exam. How is your mind stress? Yes. Okay. One day after the exam, how is your mind? Okay. Yeah, I mean, it depends on how I did, but probably still kind of yeah, the stress a little bit, but again, after one, one month after the exam, how is your mind then? I'm chill. Yeah. Yeah. Chill. Right. But do you have focus at one month after the exam? No focus. Right. But one, one day before the exam, do you have focus? Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. You're totally focused, but not the mind is not relaxed, correct? Yeah. But after the exam, the mind is relaxed, but there's no focus. Yes. Yes. Now, if I tell you, after doing meditation and breathing for only for a few minutes, not even for hours, For a few, few minutes and then you start feeling relaxed and at the same time, you know, you're so focused. Wouldn't that be great? That would be great. Yeah. Right. This is exactly hooked me up when my teacher told me about this because I used to freak out during my exams are. Right. The thing is I might fail, you know, my mind goes and I might fail or I might not do good. And at times you, you know, when I'm going for an exam, I know exactly what page the page number is that, you know, the, the, the question I, But somehow the page used to be blank in my mind. Have you felt that anytime that you know that, you know, you read it, but the page is blank for you? Why, why does it happen? It happens because the mind is stressed. When the mind is relaxed, you can totally bring whatever you learned. You can really bring out of it. And this is the beauty I learned from yoga and meditation, and that skill really helped me during my exams. That's awesome, dude. That's, that's going to be very high to try some yoga out, you know another, another quote that just came to mind when we talking about the past and the present and the present moment I heard a saying it was like thinking about the past all the time is like depression. You're just thinking about regrets and thinking about the future is just anxiety. the present moment is the only one that you're going to be free from the anxiety about what's going to happen and like getting depressed or, or regretful over what has already happened, you know, already had okay Yeah. So yoga seems like a great way to pull yourself into that moment. Right. And relax yourself. That's correct. That's it? Because the future is all about unknown, right? You don't know what happens and how can you just live in the future because of fear and anxiety hits you really hard. And then you're always regretting regretting about the past. And, but what, what can you do about it? Right? Most of the times, our mind is oscillating between the past and the future. Right. But the skill is to know that this is happening, but yet how do I bring it to the present moment it's through the secret is the breath. Yeah, I suppose that's what I was thinking. So is there a quick, like breath trick, maybe that we can give listeners? Sure, sure. So, okay. Let's do this. Okay. If we call this as strawberry Strawbridge, okay. Y'all know a straw, right. You know, look, if, for example, you have a straw, you know, you put it in your mouth, you breathe in through the straw, all the breadth. And reached out to the shop. Can I keep it eyes closed and we'll do it a couple of times. Okay. Breathe into the strong, what is the bread? And we thought to district. A few more times breaking into this trucks. Well, the red and be out at the stroke. One last time written. What was the bread? keep the eyes closed. Now. Relax your breath. You can keep your mouth closed. Just paid attention to your body. Your breath. And just see the mind is settling down and slowly you can open your eyes. That's cool. What do you notice? Do you see the mind settle down? Yeah, the blank now. Yeah, it's a weird feeling on an interview because I usually have a running list of questions. So now I'm like, you just blanked my mind now. I'm just like, okay. That's good though. That's good. Good. No, so, so one thing you say in the moment, productivity happens in the moment. Initially I used to think, oh my God, I need to prepare so much for, you know, the thing. Right. But later I realized the moment your mind becomes relaxed. You know, you ask your mind, ask the right questions and the right thing will come out of your mind. That's called intuition in your system. Intuition. Intuition is what is getting the right thought at the right time. And if we get this, you know, you're you will be like ready to put investments in NFTs or stocks, whatever, because that's how all the people who have done great. It's all about the intuition. It's not about, you know, you, you can also fail. It doesn't matter if you fail, you learn from it. Right. And the mindset changes. This is what I learned when I did this. Yeah. I feel like I always live like one or two questions above like, like ahead of time, you know, like you're talking to me and then I'm thinking about like the, like the filmmaking question that I'm going to ask you. But like now once after doing that, it's like I'm fully listening and like, your thoughts are kind of linking up with my thoughts. And, and the next question is isn't getting in the way of the current question and the current answer. That's cool. So what about you? Sigh? What do you, what are you, what do you get out of that? I mean, that was totally refreshing. It was great. It was nice. I needed that. I forget how quick and easy this stuff is. And like, it really triggers some of the deeper level stuff. And keep going back to it. I'm really doing myself a disservice, not taking advantage of the shit, especially when it's so close to me. That was nice. And it's like you really feel it across your body. That's really where, and you feel it in your breath,'cause you're just, you know, you're cleaning yourself out, using breath. That's how I feel. Yeah. Yeah. That's powerful. I want to give us time to talk about your filmmaking. So maybe we'll, we'll turn to some yoga conversation, but it seemed like that was maybe the thing that you're most passionate about. So. I want to give you some time to talk about that. So why did you first become interested in storytelling and specifically filmmaking? Sure. So when I was young, I always used to think the no storytelling was the way because, you know, I used to watch a lot of movies. So when I used to watch a lot of movies, I know I used to be like, you know, you, you are always visualize, oh, I am the character. I am the, you know, the hero or the villain. Right. And that's how he used to go. And then. Okay, I'm going to tell you something. So I remember there's a Indian movie. I watched Indian music. I used to watch it a lot of Indian movies and then a lot of martial arts movies. That's how I I'm so passionate about martial arts. So when I did martial arts when I used to do martial arts, I used to do watch movies. And then you go all you're you're moving or you you're flying. Right. You know, they used to play. And then I broke my tooth because of. You remember? I broke my tooth when I was flying my legs up in the air and then I fell on the ground and my like a backflip kit. Cause he called Bruce Lee. Some shit like this. This is when I lived in India to call you on, was known for doing stunts. Like you would see on like Indian films and like wrestling. So true size, like nailed it. So, you know, I was so passionate about that, you know, and you're watching that movies and you're becoming that right. And when we go to, for a movie for two to three hours, you're totally merged into it. Your emotions are in it. And you're like, oh my God, you become the person. Do you agree with that? Yeah. That's the experience that a cinema or a movie set experience and, and and when I grew up after some time, you know, I w I was like, how do they make this movies? You know, how do they put so much money, time, effort to make such kind of movies right now it's become, it became so easy because you have zoom calls that are happening. You're seeing videos that people are making, you have phones that people are making video on. The art of storytelling is something which I was always fascinated about. Not every anybody can shoot, but why one movie is good than the other it's because how you can make people relate to themselves, but also some visuals that you will, you will not see with. Right. That's how it goes. Then I was interested in that then. So when I came, came to us and, you know, We used to play around in our how I used to live with four more friends it's dorm. We used to live together. We used to play around, not so I always want to be in the front. They want to be like in the front, like a hero or, you know, like if you lean, right, like it's like tar or sometimes I've been going like what's that what's that 10 hours, right? You, you, you want to become those kinds of characters, but at the same time then I don't know, one day I realized like, let me see how I can be behind the camera to shoot it. And then when I did it, I looked crap. Like I know nothing. It's like what? It's so stupid. I, you see on this movie and then you shoot it in. It doesn't look good. And then I started researching about the cameras, the lenses, you know, about red camera, red camera is one of the more industry level, camera, red and airy. They're like expensive. They're like 50,000 grand, 50 grand, a hundred grand cameras, you know, and then I wasn't a camera, a hundred. And the small body, what is it? And the lens also costs like, you know, they're also like 10 grand, 20 grand, 30 grand. I had this thought like how, you know, this much small things can make a huge films. Right. And that gave me interest on, you know, okay, let me go and research and what do I need to learn? But people used to say, people used to say, if you need to. You know, learn about, you know, how to make a film. You need to go for movie filament a school. And have you heard about this now? Oh, you need to go to film school, but it was costing so much. The going for a filling school is, is very expensive. And, and then I, I researched few few people who did not go to school, but yet they are now in the industry. There they are doing very great, just different. Christopher Nolan is one of mine sprays and like, he's pumped that he's my favorite. Yeah. Yes. Yes. My favorite here's my favorite too, as well. That's so cool. Yeah. Hi, fi interest for Nolan says in one of the interviews he says is that he, he didn't know how to operate, but he just jumped in, in one of the Mo always, he went, just went there and then he started shooting. Right. And he learned while doing. And that inspired me. And then I started going to the local, small, small clubs, and then I started working with them. They used to look crab, but I started learning because you failed and you learn. Right. And that's when I started then, you know, from yoga, one thing I learned from yoga and meditation, that visual thinking, we call it as wishful thinking. You want something you wish for. And you leave it. Right. And that inspired me. Then I said, I want to learn but also I want to learn about it, but also I want to, I want to wish that I will get this one in my. Okay. So that helped me. So then I said, look, you know, okay, I'll buy these cameras. I'll buy this lenses that at some point in my life. So it took me 10 years to think about it. And then I bought all the cameras that are really in, in industry. And then I started my own production company. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. So I love like learning about people's passions and seeing how they all start to connect together. Cause like initially you sent me over this list of like martial arts, like film, you know computer programming, yoga, you like all these things. And now I'm starting to see how they all connect because you like the martial arts movies. So that connects to film, which in producing movies kind of connects to, you know computer science and, and Coding, you know, technology and, you know, I'm, I'm starting to see how all the passions pieced together because someone who's passionate about this many things, they can't just stand on their own. Right. They have to have these intersecting kind of moments like the whole martial arts and movies, things like if those don't intersect, it's kind of hard to be really into two different things that are just completely separate of each other, you know? So I'm, I'm kinda starting to see how all of your interests kinda, kinda. Have an overlapping, he started this much earlier than him, you know, he's mentioning like he started this in India, like before, like he came here and like started shooting. Right. He was, he would literally bro, like he was like the cool one, like, cause he would do like magic tricks and shit. He would carry around. Like in India, like he had tricks like magic card tricks. He was there to create moments in time. Right. Like that's how I, like, he's like my favorite family member. Right. Cause like he's always created moments. So this started like a long time ago. He wants to, is he, he's not, he's being humble, but he would do like magic tricks, bro. I like 11, 12, 13, like just doing, you know, he just wanted to be. You know, creating moments, wanting to be like the star, the attention getter, like it's become a lot more humble and he's like done it in so many cool ways, you know, inspiring everybody in the family. Like it's cool stuff. That's amazing. So what what have you actually done with this film company then? Like what are some of the challenges? What are some of the things you've actually accomplished? Like. What do you do? What do you do here with these cameras that you were able to get? So right now so I'm my first feature film. I just signed up first feature film. That's going to be starting this fall. So I'm working with the director with my company. So I'm going to be the DOP or director of photography for this film. It's a shame that it's called living with. living the dream. which is like in line with my own life. Right. And, but also right now, many movies that I'm in Atlanta, Georgia, you know, Atlanta, Georgia is like a menial. And there are people who do indie filmmaking. So they rent cameras from me and some of the movies, bad candy is one of the movie, you know the person who rented my lenses and my camera. And they're also, there's one more show it's called a Wolfman and the city it's going to come in the future. So that is also being worked on it's in, in, in editing, right. And also right now, while I'm talking, my lenses are being rented on another movie set right now. Oh, cool. This has been a long dream. That's just recently like manifested itself basically then. Yeah, it's been, I would say three years, it's been from three years, you know, got too much attention and I would go an extra mile to help out people because there are people who are in it who have passions, but still they don't have money or, you know, they are going to something. So I put together for them. That's what they choose, they create and then, so I have my rental company it's on shared rates, shared it is I heard about. It's a website similar to like Uber or Airbnb, like similar to that shared rate is a company which rents out your cameras and people can rent out cameras. Personal, you know, people can enter. So if you have expensive stuff, so share grid. So I have my own site where you can see all my reviews and stuff, people like I go an extra mile to do something for them. And then in turn they know that's how they, they come back again. And again, that's one thing I learned that, you know, you, you be good for others. Send them the good will come to you. Come back. Yeah. I mean, like you've been grinding for more than three years with your camera work. Like once again, he's leaving out big chunks of info here. Like he would do weddings. He would shoot videos for the Ostrom, like just demos, whatever it was, man. Like you would, he would just, he would just shoot stuff, right? Like you could really see it develop just like watching his IgE. Yeah. So-so and stuff like you shoot in the aerial, use all this cool stuff, you know, you know, just start out with like doing magic tricks and a small box cameras. Yes. I got a good point because I had this thought know, how do you shoot from the top? Right. You know, drones are like used to be expensive at, at one point of time. And then I w always wanted to learn about how to shoot with drones. And then I had this. The again, coming back to the basics, right. Wishful thinking and going back to the, be in the present moment. So I used to think that, oh, I will own a drone. And then I will, I will practice with a drone. So I owned a drone, I started practicing it. I lost one, you know, you know, how do you ask me? Right. How do you face challenges? But yet. so it's good that I face challenges so that I could learn from it. And that was ready to face challenges, any kind of challenges that used to come. So, you know, initially it's about learning the technology, but also finding time for the, you know, for the passion that you have. Right? Because I, I work full time in a perfect, a software engineer. Then I became a lead software engineer. I have a team of 10 people. So, so you're managing a team. You need to find time for your passions as well. Right? So that was a challenging thing to have time and energy because you know, you're working. So in software engineering, you know, in a company as you are so. Busy working, and then you come back, you feel tired and I'm glad I, I learned yoga and meditation because that had the tools I shared about that used to help me to come back, sit for 20 minutes and boom, eight hours more. I could go like, you know, you can, you could go more than what you think because everybody has like the 24 hours a day. Right. Not, not working. So I could also find fit in my passions in India. So that's how I built. Yeah. That's so difficult. Right? I'm doing the same with my fitness app and in this podcast, trying to keep these going on top of my normal career and it's a lot to juggle. It's a lot to kind of balance and yeah, man, it's always, it's always interesting and great to talk to people with side projects because you need to connect with people who also. Can keep pushing and keep pushing in the face of their 40 hour work week, you know? Cause it's not easy. Right. So just by owning these pieces of equipment there, so. There. So top tier grade cameras that almost turned itself into a business by lending them out and, and, and working with other people. But is there like a passion project that you have made on your own,, a movie or something that you, that you are like extra involved? Yes. So one is the living, the dream, which I would anyways. You can follow my IgE and state or where they're at at SC Chinchilla. I it's my G and also I've been sharing. So I have my website, w w w dot cycle and.com. You can see some of the movies that I made over there. You can see that out there as well. So, and the other movie which I worked on is called the Wolf man in the city. So it's going to be releasing the trailer is out now, and then it's going to be releasing soon. And then one more Indian movie that I, I worked with. It's a big movie. It's a feature film that I worked as a, as a, an assistant DOP, I would say that I shot in us as well. So yeah. Cool. So, what are some like basic maybe film techniques that you learned early on? Like, what are some of the, the first type of things that you learned as far as like camera angles or you know, just different ways to, or tricks to film something, you know, that. That looks cool. Okay. So I was charged with which yells, so my name movie comes in, right. You know, when a picture. So I started with photography to say that in in 2011, I started with photography and then I used to look at the view. You can capture a certain amount, but also. All the movies about the light and the dark, the light area and the dark area. So once I started noticing it, I started like, okay, where do. And use it. I go their attention too. Right. You know, for example, have you heard about the rule of third? You know, they follow the rule of thirds, which is like, you know, it's like a box. If you have a square, you know, you have like walks and then two boxes on Woodside take, you know, two lines. Oh yeah. The nine. Yes. And then the nine, and then, you know, either this way, this way, when your eyes are like not looking straight, but if the view is symmetry, right, your eyes can go into the middle. But if the view is, if, if your background is not symmetry, there is not similar tickle. Then it goes to the side, right. Of people used to say, and these are the, some of the things which I started researching on, like how to do it. So the first thing is, you know, composition right now. How do you compose a frame. The second thing is now technically, how do I show it in the camera? That is in a flight. And then there's something called depth of field. If you heard about it, the depth of field is something that is focus. And I would say in a, in a layman terms, and then you see in movies, right. You know, something is blurred in the background and then you're focused like the way right now side, you can see size focus. And there is a background. And suddenly if he goes out of focus in the blanked, into the. Right now, how do you do that? So that's, you know, that needs a technical evaluation. You know, how much aperture aperture I put Shirley, we call it a pitcher. How much aperture you're you're dialing it in, in the cameras. So that is what something, which I learned at the Tetons. And I learned. I was like, okay, then there's lot more to it. It's not just clicking a camera and then picking a record button. Right. And then started implementing, started shooting events and stuff. So started failing. I would say initially started failing. Like I used to like go mad, like why I did my, all my in a learning, you know, it's, it's a way that we learn in school. And then when you go to job, Scratching your head. What did I learn? So it was the same way. You know, when I learned so much on YouTube and then I went there and then nothing used to work. So with so much of you know, going back in and Dyckman failing, it really helped me to like, okay, this is the shot. You know, once you have that experience for example a movie. Is in this controlled environment, most of them will be right with the light amount of light you have. It's all done in pre-production. We call it as pre-production in movies, right. Pre-production production and post production, right. 53, 6 off. It was like setting the scene and preproduction, lightings, everything. That's right. And pre-production is what is important because you know, a movie can fail in pre-production. Hmm. Right. And you know, the art of storytelling and it's important to collaborate. Like the way you guys are collaborating with several people like the base, Tom, you're calling several people. Do your, you know, to a podcast. It's all about collaboration. Success comes with collaborations in, in filmmaking. It's not one person's job. It's important that you collaborate with several artists. Right. You know, the person who is in the scene and the person who is behind the camera, right. At the same time, the person who, who can do the set design. Right. And these are all important aspects, so I went personally to set to shoot for others. Right. And I've seen the amount of stress drastic. Carrie is. You know what we look in the Hollywood, the way they show it in the Hollywood. It's not like the same baby, because I don't know if you have, if you you've seen, there was a moment that happened with the movie labor, right? They were not paid enough. They're they're staying for 14, 15, 16 hours on set. They're stressed out. They don't care who is shooting, what? Right. And I could see that. On movie sets. And then, you know, I said, okay, technically it's, it's good to learn because you know, that's when you, you come out, you come out different from what you are over there, because everybody can turn on a light, but you need to know how to use that. And different terms in moving. This is like DOP is like the director of photography who takes care of the visual arts. Right. But also there is a gaffer, Gafford is someone who is Farid up, who lights stuff. He has lighting. So he has to work with the DOP to see what exactly he needs. And he needs to talk to the director. Oh, I've lied to, oh yeah, there you go. You're lighting, you're setting a different lighting and stuff. Yeah. And that's how it works. So I don't want to take more technical, technical tasks, but all it takes is, you know yes, you need to have the eye to see. But at the same time also to me, so I just changed his background to be Bitcoin daddy, Michael Saylor. I'll pull up the meetings at this hour. I'm feeling dizzy. That's funny as shit. Oh, wait, what are you, what is, so what do you think about my setup? Like as like a film guy, do I have a good podcast set up? Well, great. It can be great. What you did. Good. How do I improve it? So, okay, so the, yeah, that's a good question because the amount of light is so even on your face, right. If you want to something to be cinematic, right? So the, the light over here. And then in a little dark and this is light. Okay. So you have a light on you on your right side, right? It's on your right side. Yeah. I've I have two lights. Huh, so you have to like straight. So, so what it is, so we, we call something as one is you know, key light, and one is field light. Key light is the one which lights your face. Right. And then one is filled. Light fill light is, has to be little less than the key light. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. And then you need to have a, Hey. Hair light because you don't have headlight yet. So there's one light behind you. So that separates you from the background. Dan, you can see that the depth in the 2d to the only two lights. Okay. Saya out of all of a Kulani projects, like what, what are you the most impressed with? Cause I know you keep saying he's humble. What, what is something that, that you need to brag about the projects he's made it's projects? I mean like the movies that he's released, like these are, you know, the Telugu movies, the Indian they're released to huge theaters, you know, it's like probably millions of Indian people have watched. Right. It's not like what's your favorite? What was the name? The color photo, the color photo. Okay. What is this? What is this about? So it's basically about a person who is within it's, like in a village. Right. You know, he, he he's like, he's dark, you know, people used to like, he's not, he's not that impressed him. And so it girl comes in and she, she really likes this guy because, you know, he's very humble. He's down to art, but also he cares for others. Right. Yeah, her brother who doesn't like, like him. So, so they, they try to separate, I'm just telling it just right. But if the whole movie is about how he, he really comes out of the situation, but yet he cares for that, for that goal. And then later he dies. But, but the girl still has the memory of. That sounds like Shakespearian almost. Yeah. A lot of Indian movies are, they're very like romantic heavy, and then there's so much tragedy. Like someone has to die, right. Someone's going to die. Like somebody's uncle or dad's going to die, but then there's love at the end. There's like some sort of romance. It's probably on, you can probably speak to it better than I can. yeah, that's how the term red, the color photo is like, you know, the picture is in the mind that stores for ages. Right. And it's so powerful. That's, that's the power of movie make, right. You know, you see this movie and then you live for forever. On that. That's why memories are so powerful because you see something, you cannot erase it from your, your mind. So that's how the color for the title comes in. That's why I like doing these podcasts. I can remember this when I learned stuff, you know, I can, I have a record of it, but you know, I, I, I don't want to make fun of it too much, but I, I can't lie. I love these clips of like these Indian action movies where like some guy. Jump on a tree and like pull it back and sling himself over like 80 feet. And he'll like, hit like connect arms with eight of his buttons, but they'll like spin around in a circle and they'll like, do some crazy actions. Like the action in Indian movies are, are always insane, right? Like level. Yeah, that is true. What do you love that shit? Like, people love it. They love wrestling, like American wrestling, like WWE. They love the spectacle of it. Fake. Like we love Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee movies, like crazy martial arts. They love a fast and furious, like, you know, spectacles, you know, like Indian people are like very colorful and we need like, lots of shit. We need dances. We need songs within the movie. Are we going to be distracted? Like, there's some these, like, so it's like every moment. In India is like a Marvel fucking Marvel. So it's not just like some indie flick, you know, it's like, yeah. Cause there's so many people you have to hit like huge audiences in India. You can't make a, there are those like the coloring for the color photo and stuff. You know, which did I'm sure. Fantastic. But like most of the movies are spectacles and like now Americans are doing that all the top movies. There's no, like there's no, like, you know, the king Richard one, whatever who, how many people really even saw that, like everyone went to see doom, you know? That's like, you want the spectacle three hour long Indian crazy action scenes. Yeah. The new movie, I think I should tell Tom. So the, the movie. R R R so you can Google that. Now it has become like in us it's, it's, it's like third, you know, it's like top three. And it's crazy. action. But also it has like Indian what's the emotion to it. So in the, the the director has surprised, like, you know, all the logic is still good. Yeah. You need to watch we visual storytelling. That's what we call, I think it's called rrr. Rrr. Yeah. Maybe I'll check that. so what should we talk about crypto for a little bit? I feel like PSI. We should, we should talk about some stuff that you like, you just have to look at a chart, you know, Anytime you've, everybody's scared. Or like, even if people are getting too excited, like what Collin's mentioning, you know, the stock market, all this is just like, it's just a gauge of your emotions. Okay. The stock market crypto market. It's just the emotional swings of everybody, right. You're taking a collection of everybody's money and how they're reacting to price, how they're emotionally like getting triggered to buy or sell, right? Like Ukraine or just happened. Right. Wheat prices went crazy. Oil prices went crazy. You know, the Russian doll the Russian Drop like 50% within a day. This is people emotionally reacting to news. Right. So, you know, you just have to like, kind of take a step back. Like when you see so many things like this happening in the world and the economy, people lean towards safety, right? Like gold or. You know, commodities. That's why these stocks are going crazy right now, natural and clean energies going crazy because of all the trade sanctions we have with Russia, you know, these are all emotional reactions at a global scale, right? So like when you get it really get into like the charts and stuff, like you can like technically see how people are reacting to things. So that's. A good gauge of things and it's the ebb and flow of things. It's natural. Like there's been more as before there's been trade sanctions before shit goes up shape. That's all it is. It just depends on the individual and your mind. Like, I can't tell somebody that when to buy, when to sell, make you money, like my risk can be totally different than your risk. Right. I can sit in a losing position for months and be okay with it. Right. Some people can't do that. Some people shouldn't do that. And like, are you trading? The thing about crypto is like, there's so much of it. Like you need to look at it like as a business transaction, don't fall in love with every NFT. Don't fall in love with every mini project, you know, there's, it's going to be like the.com bubble burst. Like there's going to be great pieces that come from it, but you know, you know, MySpace still isn't here, but Facebook still is. From an investing perspective, right? Like it's better to have a long-term mindset. When, when, like you were saying, people are getting emotional about some of the current things going on. Right. That's kind of how you, you stay above it. Yeah. Yeah. You take yourself out of it. You don't look at news as much, you know, you look at technicals more because the numbers. We'll speak to you more clearly than five different people talking to you from you to take talk all this shit, right? The numbers is a collection of all those people and how people are reacting to them spreading these words. Right? So it's like, I'd rather like, you know, I'll focus on real news, like the FLMC or, you know, buy it and speaking on Russia terms and like real news, but I'm not gonna watch some YouTube or she'll some. You know, it's not real to me. That's just like shell. That's a marketing scheme. Yeah. Kulon what do you think about cryptocurrencies and the blockchain from like a technical perspective? Have you thought about it much? I wanted to start because then I started with side eye image to talk about this and then, okay. I really wanted to start on crypto. Cause I started on Bitcoin at one, one point of time, you know, initially a long ago, long, long, long ago, no, when the Bitcoin was like way less. Right. when I came here, one of the things is, you know in India we learn about savings. You save money and then you buy. But here you put all the money and then you use your credit card to pay it later. Right. You know, that sort of the concept goes in. So initially when I came in, so it's all about, okay, let me buy, buy things. And then, so the savings went down because Bitcoin and crypto. You put the money that you have from your savings to something that you buy, right. Then that's when you buy, you buy the currency and then you, you keep it until it goes higher or lower. They lower you lose it. So when I started. I, I wish I would have kept it in at that point of time. It was like, oh, you know, I'm one of the personnel like a regret, like, oh, I did. Why did I not take that? And then just keep it that way. Right. So then now I I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to, because I, I believe more than. And, you know, going compounding the the power of compounding more than crypto, the power of compounding is like, you keep it for a certain years and then the it multiplies, right? Yeah. The utility of crypto and like the functioning technical aspects of. Like how you're saying you can compound your interests. You can lend out to people. You can defy as well. It's just a fact technology. Then what banking uses, like are they use like cobalt systems that takes forever to run. It's old as shit. It takes more energy to run it than any Bitcoin mine. All this news you hear is just BS because why isn't it shut down? Why are governments working on a fed coin right now? Why are they doing that? But they're saying, oh yeah, Bitcoin is taking too much energy, but you're working on something. Mm. Hmm. They love the technology and the utility. It's like, how can you market it into your own thing? Right? Like, and then with, at least that I have side to learn all this stuff. So it just, it gets really cool. Right. You know, you, you get to here and then you get inspired not to put all the savings at one level, but also you should start putting slowly, slowly. Right. That's how it, it increases at some point. And that's one thing. Yeah. And like, you know, there's, there should be like the 50, 25, 25 rule, 50%. In high caps, solid projects, index fund S and P 500 Bitcoin. I would say Bitcoin is a safe investment now. Right? It's worth more than like, you know, Amazon, all this shit. This is a, this is an entity of its own. Another thing, like twenty-five percent in medium, like medium risk. And then the 25% in risky assets, like marijuana stocks or, you know, lower cap cryptos or a new clean energy thing, you know? So if you want to, like, you have to be able to take risks because you're not going to make money by just buying the S and P 500. You are taking care of inflation. By buying the S and P 500 index and like the top a hundred, you know, like Amazon, Google, you're only saving yourself from investments or sorry, inflation doing that. Well, inflation just went up 8% this month. So your dollar is now 10%. It's 90 cents. So your savings account is trash, right? So you need to. You need to do the 50 20, 25 25 row by your index funds. Get your safety and get you some gold commodities. That shit will always go up. Oil will always go up. So it seems to me like a big difference just between like the investing and the saving mindset. Right. And this is something that I didn't realize till recently is, you know, yeah. You can save money for something. Right. But you could also invest all your money and then borrow against your investments. Right. And then still use that money for like a down payment on the house or a new car. And then it's just like taking out. Against yourself. Right. So there, you know, there are ways of just basically borrowing against your investments and treating it like a savings while it's also investing. And then when it comes down to like how to, how to invest that money, I don't know anything about right. But that's just kind of a realization that I've come to. Recently as I've started thinking about this stuff, is that true? So, absolutely correct. Absolutely correct. And we spoke a little bit about it last time too, and that's what Michael Saylor does. There is a good, there's a such thing as called good debt. Michael Saylor takes out and not$250 million debt, I guess, micro strategy, every couple of months buying Bitcoin, he doesn't care what the price is. Why is that? Because the more asset you have, the more the banks will give you money for these not going to get liquidated. Like there's no like possibility of this shit, like going down against it, you know, like you can definitely lend against your assets. You know, people buy a home, they take out, you know, they get equity in a home and then they buy another home using that equity and they flip homes like. But then, When it comes to like the technology behind cryptocurrency, right? Like the thing I'm getting excited about is that like, right, no one owns Bitcoin. So it's this decentralized entity that everyone sort of buys into and, and people are starting to build all sorts of new. Like they call it web three technologies, right. With, with this same sort of blockchain technology. So, you know, for instance, I think there's browsers that are starting to pop up, that that will pay you just to use them. Google makes money off of us just for using their browser. And so now there's a systems that are getting put in place where where are you, whatever tools, whatever software tools you use, there should be some sort of decentralized like in 10 years from now, there should be some sort of decentralized platform behind that that has actually. Paying you for the data and the time that you're spending on any certain platform. Right. So I don't know if, if you guys, because you work in the software space, right. Have you seen people leave your company for web through new web three companies? Or have you looked into this technology in any sort of way. this is something new that I'm, I'm listening for sure people are, people are leaving for, you know, bigger, better companies. And then also companies which can pay higher right now, because right now, what is happening is in from my current software experience that I've seen people are leaving for online jobs because, you know, remote jobs, right. And at the same time, they're also doing like two or three jobs at the same time and people are doing. And then if, if, and because the companies, because if you're, if you're working in a company like a big company, then you have stocks as well on the side, they, they give stocks and then, you know, they, you know, you can, you can put more on stocks and then if you're going to another company, you can write. Take out the stocks and then you can use, you can take out stocks and then you can put it in another company as well. So I'm seeing people are leaving maybe I don't know if this is the technology that they're going through, but it's a good thing that I can explore as well. So that's something I can share more about it. Yeah. Web three is cool. And we knew, see micro-strategy people going there because you know, if their MicroStrategy is closely connected to the crypto space, So we do see people joining actually chain-link as a big, you know, company here in Nova. And I know some people that work at chain link and they do like security stuff for it. Make sure packets get there, whatever it's cool stuff. It's new and they like what Colleen is saying. They offer more money. They're the ones with big bags right now. And they'll be like, oh yeah, here's a an NFT. You think kids want to go to like boring old, like Facebook where, or even Google, where they looked at like demons or they want to go to like Solano. They're like, oh, this is pretty snake NFT. We'll give you. And you know, you earn money, you know, you get paid in Bitcoin. If you want, or you get the dollar. It's just more freedom. Web three is like peer-to-peer man. There's no. Middlemen blocking you from anything. Like if I, if I'm watching you, if somebody is listening to your podcast, why the fuck does Spotify need to take money from it? We have this, we have this technology, right? Everyone's aware of how this technology works. Now get hub is there. That's why we see so much like random software popping up all these random browsers. Right. Like, that's why you see all these metaverse plays when the metaverse becomes more real is when they figure out how to connect them. All right. And that's only going to be available through the blockchain. Right? Cause you can have all these multi-verse blah, blah, blah, all this year in the central land. And you're in Starbucks land. It's not, it's not going to mean shit until you connect it all. So, and that's, that's, that's the future. What about, are there any specific coins that you're become interested in since the last time I talked to you? No, honestly, you know, like we've been, you know, a little bearish when you get there's times you don't look for new projects because they're not going to get me funding. You, you use this taunted. The good coins, Ethereum, your Bitcoin, of course, your Luna, your salon. You use this time to really accumulate projects that you already have your foot in. And you know, these are going to be good. These are, these are deals, stocks, too. Lots of deals out there. So now no new projects, you know, you know, a loop rings got a new additive T marketplace with GME, you see GME and AMC popping off recently, you know, which is sketch because you know, Jimmy's about to regain stops about the shutdown, like 80% of all their stores. So like, you know, they're moving more digitally, you know, That's a risky stock. That's something you play with. If you want to make a lot of money or you want to lose a lot of money, that's it. True. Well, I feel like we're, we're sort of reaching a good time limit for the episode. There's definitely a lot of topics we didn't get to touch on. Is there anything else you guys want to talk about for like the last five minutes? So I was here in this export. Right. You know, and I went to this suppression Russian booth, and then they, they researched so much on artificial intelligence. And then in the. Right. And the brain has so much capacity because everything is that came out, even the crypto, whatever you say is to the brain right now that the information is there, you know, people has that information and in, in the realm of you know, spiritual or, I would say you'll get terms. I would say that is that consciousness that connects all these different minds together. Right? We did. We just did a few breathing, a few breaths, and then suddenly we felt so calm and relaxed, right. At times that there is a saying that, you know what you think. The other person also can, can think the same way because the minds also connect at a different level and the information that is being provided right now, it's only like 0.5% of what is there around the. And we did not even tap through it, and this is just the beginning. Right. And then that can be tabbed only if you can go deeper into your own self or your own mind. Right. And mine has so many secrets and technology can, you know my group grew and it grew our master, you know, whom I meant it's called his name is Trisha, Ravi Shanker. And he's the, he's the master. Who am I learned that this breathing techniques and meditation from, so he shared one thing, you know, technology can, always shrink the world because now because of with the phones, we feel we are so disconnected. More than connected. Right. But initially when you see when, when the phones are, I don't know when, when I was young, you know, you thought the phone, I used to wait to meet my other side of the family, but when we met, we were so close. And then when we are away, we always used to have those memories right now with the phone available. I still don't. The people like where there's somewhere around, they also have a phone, but I don't call them. I feel like so, so sometimes technology can string the word. So that's when spirituality aspect comes in in where it can also expand and then unite everyone together. So I would say. And encourage people to go explore themselves and then go deep within, and then learn something about their own mind that intern give secrets out, to explore whatever is going on blockchain or NFTs. So you can bring more creative into this technological world. Yeah, that's very true. We've got a disconnect to connect, right? That's it. I got it. All right. That seems like a very good place to end it on. So thank you guys so much. Sighs slash kulon. It was great meeting you. I think we should do this again at some point because we didn't even get to talk about martial arts or, or even technology very much. Right. So this is definitely was like a. A yoga slash film episode. I think those were two of great topics to pick out of your lineup to focus on. You know, I wanted to learn about yoga and film seems to be the thing that you're the most passionate about. So I'm glad we got to talk about that and then say, thank you so much for continuing to set these up. Something cool about a podcast is that you get to like boost people up and be like, Hey, look how awesome this guy. And it means a lot to me that you keep coming back and helping me boost people's signal and, and kind of are willing to sit here and, and, you know just aid to this interview and let me interview your, your uncle cause you know, I wouldn't be able to meet as many people without you just coming in and introducing me like this. So it's, it's really powerful and. I really, really appreciate that. You're willing to take the time and set this up and let us connect like this. Oh man. No, thank you. You giving us a platform to like connect and really share things that we don't even talk about between each other. We just know, you know so it's nice and you know, there's more guests to come. Some, you know, semi famous rappers, some more video people. And then, you know, I want to really get the Bitcoin whale in here. And he'll talk about more crypto. So there's like deeper level stuff, you know, I can't wait. It's been fun talking with you and it's exciting. Who's the crypto. Remember, Brendan Beamish I was telling you about, it's not Michael's tailor. So if you brought him in here, why not? Why not? Right. wishful thinking, thinking, there you go. And thank you to Tom. Thank you. So I say for connecting. Maybe Tom and bringing me on this podcast. Tom, I, I, you, you're doing a great job, you know, connecting minds and connecting people together, you know, raising the voice, you know, the pitch is very important because every individual has something to share at the same time. Things that are there, which are disconnected, can be kind of get only two whys. Right. And that's when we bring together. And then more people, you know, just now, as I was mentioning about Spotify, you know, only it's not the Spotify. Right. And you can do it. Anything you want when. Things outcome and give a platform for us to go out and give the power that every individual has the power of raising the wives and which are doing it, Tom. So I really appreciate what you're doing and then keep it, keep it going. I wish you good luck. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, this was awesome. And then last thing is send me some links to these projects that you're working on and I'll put them in a description and yeah, I'll reach out. We'll, we'll, we'll stay in touch, but yeah, this will come out maybe in a, in like a month from now. And I'll help promote anything that you want to bring attention to. But yeah. All right. And lastly, I want to say you're in Tampa. So the, the spiritual group, which I was speaking about, Shishi Shanker, he's coming to Miami on may April 20. 2022, which is like this month. So you should go and check them out and then you should do an interview with them because millions around the world has done the program. And he's going to be there for three days, but on may, first is going to have a public event that is doing thousands of people are going to come together and do a meditation with him. But also he's going to speak up. He's speaking on a conference about anti. So, which is pretty cool. So you could set that up or would you be able to be there for that? But yeah, if you're going to do an interview and then you can share, but I can talk to them, you know, because I'm one of the organizers over there. So how we can do, do like a live Instagram, you know, they're their influencers that are there. We are, we are trying to get all the influencers together. We are also working on getting celebrate is together. We're there to meet Tricia Shanker because. Yeah. You had shaggy in one of your groups, right? Shaggy. She called me on the counter and then he's doing meditation. He is doing meditation. So you get, yeah, you should come. You should come. And then, yeah, I'll definitely see if I can set up an interview with there for you. Okay. Yeah. And even if it's, if it's busy that weekend, we could try to set up an interview just on, on zoom at any point, you know? But yeah, I'll, I'll check that out. I'll try to make it down there. Yes. Okay. All right. Awesome. Take it easy guys. It was great meeting you and seeing you inside. Bye. Say, bye. Bye.