Coach Brown: The PUSH-UP Mentality, Coaching, and Spirituality | #38

Coach Brown (Weezy) and Tom went to JMU together. Brown has recently started coaching soccer. So we discuss his experience coaching kids soccer and how that led to him wanting to become more of a coach in life. We discuss his life philosophy, which is the PUSH-UP mentality. He talks a lot about this philosophy, where if he catches himself watching too much TV or something, he'll do a couple of pushups, but also he abstracts that mindset. He really tries to push himself in everything he does in life and is always reaching for the next level. Another big topic of this conversation was faith, religion, and spirituality.  Brown catches Tom up on his spiritual journey. We discuss what it means to be spiritual and what it means to have God in your life.

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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of the drive program. My name is Tom driver. And today my guest's name is coach brown, AKA wheezy. Wheezy. And I went to school together. He was a member of my fraternity and we were even roommates for one summer. Wheezy. And I talk about a lot of different topics. First off he has recently started coaching soccer. So we discuss, his experience, coaching, these kids play soccer and how that led to him wanting to become more of a coach in his life We discuss his life philosophy, which is the push-up mentality. He talks a lot about this philosophy, where if he catches himself, you know, watching too much TV or something, he'll do a couple of pushups here and there, but also, he abstracts that out and he really tries to push himself everything he does in life. And it's always reaching for, that next level And then another big topic of this conversation was, faith in religion and spirituality. Wheezy has become more in touch with God since, I was friends with him. So he catches me up on his spiritual journey. And we talk a lot about, what it means to be spiritual and, and what it means to have God in your life. so overall I love this episode so much. It is so motivational and inspiring and uplifting. I tell him in an interview, but I really just love the energy that Weezie is able to. I bring to the table. I'm just so excited about. Helping others growing himself and, and sharing that experience and being. An inspiration to other people. So. had a lot of fun talking to him. I think he'll definitely be back on the show. And yeah, I hope you guys enjoy this episode. This is episode 38 of the drive program With coach brown. Okay I'm proud of you, man. I'm very happy that you're doing something. I think you enjoyed it. And that's the most, that's one part that is very important to it. Some people are doing it for the money or the fame or everything. I mean, I'm sure you're going to get there one day at one point, but for now, be sure that you enjoy reconnecting with people and do your thing, man. something I learned from past experiences. It's not always about money. If you always chasing money, then. You just cannot be, keep chasing money. You're not going to be happy. You got to have that money chasing a million dollar, you going to get it. And the fact that you are chasing the money, you're going to see that$1 million. You want to have$2 million. We're going to have$3 million. So you just going to keep chasing, not going to find that true happiness, but I think for sure. You're going to get the money at one point. Well, I hope I pray. But I, I see you smiling. I see you enjoying yourself. So that's that's that makes me happy, man. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Wheezy. You're already preaching over here, bro. We haven't even asked a question yet. This is a warmer robo you're on fire already, dude. But yeah, man, that's what I decided is like, I would like to make money doing this, but if I never make a dollar, it's not about like, I just like, you know, reconnecting with people because working on the app, just forcing me to like, be alone all the time. And this is like the exact opposite. And I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm going to keep doing this once a week. You know, no matter what happens, you know, for sure is as far as the success goes. So dude, we haven't really, I think I saw you once at JMU, like when you visited, but we haven't really covered. And like four or five years since college. So you seem like you've lived in some crazy places. Can you kind of give me like an overview of like what, what happened? Well, the best way I can describe it in two words, push up. So I've been I decided I left actually, as you know, I left the U S back in 2017 and I got where I'm at to the CDs of small. I actually, as a matter of fact, it reminds me of. Harrisonburg because it, as a matter of fact, it reminds me of, of where I live with my parents and where I used to go to school. Harrisonburg. It's like a mix of the two. He has that low countryside going on and it's still a CD. It's like a university type vibe young people having, having fun, which is very important. But at the same time, me, I find my niche. Sometimes I describe it as an aquarium. I usually tell people I'm not a big shock in the sea. I'm a small fish and I find my aquariums where I can grow and keep growing and keep growing. And then when I get there to a bigger size fish, I don't mind going to the river. And then. I keep eating. I keep getting bigger and bigger. And then down the river island up on the ocean when I get, well, I'll probably get bigger. I hope, but for now, I'm being like you, I'm enjoying myself. I'm having fun. I've grown a lot as a person and I've grown a lot professionally and spiritually, which is very important to me nowadays. I'm just excited about. Future what uh, he had for me. So, but to go back to your question, I'm sorry, I'm just going to keep talking and talking, but to go back to your question I've been, as I said, I've been going up a lot. I started living in the studio apartment and went from that studio apartment. I got a one bed apartment. And after that I set myself a goal and now I'm in the house. You can see the basement. I have my own little studio, my own room and all that started in the studio room in just a studio apartment. So one advice I usually give people, just keep pushing up, man. Just push up. You are here right now. Keep your heads up and then push up. Keep going. Sometimes it's just like the stock market. Sometimes you go down, but it's okay. You're going to go push up and then go back up again. So I know if you remember that back in the days, I used to tell, tell people to do some pushups, right? Well, that's what I've been doing. In uh, all the sense of the word, like spiritually and personally, professionally. that's my motto nowadays. Push up, man. that's the formula I found for myself. I don't know if it's gonna work for you or work for your other people, but that's what works for me. And I'm excited to share it with people. Whoever wants to try it. So. Push up, bro, let's go wheezy. You were meant for this dude. Like the way you talk is like in riddles or something, you know, the river, the lake, the, you know, people really grab onto that kind of communication. You know, like, I, I was wondering like, like locations of where you lived and stuff, but like, people don't relate to that. Always, you know, like the way that you phrase your messages, I feel like you were meant for podcasting or something because. Phrase everything. In a way that like motivates inspires, like give people your, like a shot of caffeine or something, you know, you know, seven o'clock at night you'd use to me up right now, dude, I'm ready to hit the gym or something for, for sure, for sure. But there's one thing about that as I mentioned in all the sense of the word, for sure. Uh, You, you gotta look good. You gotta go to the gym, hit the gym. that's okay. That's actually awesome for your hair. And even for your ego, et cetera. But a lot of people just see the, the, the, look, they don't go behind the look, but you gotta work on yourself. Educate yourself, learn new things. Like you're doing that. Like five years ago. You didn't know what the mic where I'm kidding. You knew what the mic was, but you didn't know how to use a mic to do what you're doing now. But you started at one point, you, you. Keep pushing and pushing. And as I said, maybe the money will come later. I hope, but keep injuring yourself, keep learning and have fun on the way too. And you said something earlier and that's that's for sure. I do like words, I think. words are very powerful. You can weave one word. You can either build someone up or you can completely distort them. And. I prefer to build people up rather to destroy it. I'm past that maybe in the past I used to make fun of people or things like that, but I've learned that. We all that it's all fun. And, and but at the end of the day, that person is going to be hurt. And, and so if that person growing up that actually my keep him from growing and from trying new things and better things. So that's why I decided where, especially with the kids I coach nowadays th they are not at the same level and the ones that have. At the lawyer level at just tell him, don't worry about those with more skills than you just keep your heads up and keep doing your thing. You're going to see you going to even pass them because usually what happens they're at that level and they think they can get any better. But you, you, at this level, you just want to keep getting. So at one point, you just going to pass them. So push up, man. Dude, I love that. I love that philosophy, dude. So, so you're a coach now of what soccer players or. it's funny that you ask that and I'm happy that you asked that. I started out coaching You 12, under 12 years old soccer. And. The first time I started coaching I found that I can say, I find my calling. That's when I started feeling very happy about not only about myself and about what I was doing and what I want to do, things like that. So I think I found my calling it started out something very small avid colleague who has three kids and he wanted to coach them all three of them. And obviously. Coaching three teams. It's a lot. So he always saw me watching soccer and talking about soccer and, and things like that. You remember me? I love soccer. It just that back at Jim, you add school going on. I had social life going on at. Type of stuff going on. So I didn't have a whole lot of times to watch soccer, but that was one of my dream to get in there. And even if I don't play a whole lot, but still watch it and enjoy it and still learn from those people on TV, et cetera. So, He was like, yo, you seem to really enjoy soccer and really likes soccer. How about Helping me coach, I seem so I said, yeah, for sure, man. And then I, I started as I said, it's a U 12 and that first season were undefeated, man on defeated were beating other teams like twelve zero five, zero ten one, things like that. So I was, well, it's, it's fun to win. I was happy. The best part about it is seeing those little kids wanting to learn, wanting to play, wanting to have fun, even the ones that are not the best at it, but they still get out there and kick the ball and just kick it. So they're having fun. So I try to find the best way to. Obviously, we don't have the same level of skills. We don't have the same personalities. We don't play the same way. So I tried to find every, every little kid was different. So I tried to find the little thing difference about him the best offer them and the worst of him. So I tried to use that to his advantage. I remember there was this. it was not the most the athletic? So I was like, don't try to run just like all the other kids. Just use your strength, you bigger, so you don't need to run, just play. Position yourself the best place you can, so you don't have to keep running. So, and he tried that and there was another thing out, another little exercise I had, I had them do. And then during that exercise, they did not really understand. I was like that Mr. Miyagi guy doing wax on wax off, he did not understand, but that during the, during a game was that, oh no, I get it. That's what you're telling. No, I get it. I don't understand it. It was so happy that he finally his eyes open. I was, I was happy to hear that from him though. But so that's where it started. And then as I said, I found my calling, like just helping people. You remember me? I love people. I like telling a few jokes here and there to keep the mood up. I like encouraging people to be the best so that's when I realized maybe I should be a coach and not just a soccer coach, but just be a coach in general. And I started, yeah, exactly. A life coach. Some people call it, but I'm just a, I don't put life. I don't put soccer. I'm just a coach. I just like in encouraging people And trying to find that maybe it's, it's one of my skills, trying to find that thing, that, that, that low thing, sometimes just a little coal on it, a little comma, a little period, whatever it is, that little thing I can find I'll I'll just let you know. And then you, you, when you see it, It just makes sense. And then your whole being, not your whole life, but that thing, your attitude change your, what you wanted, you get it. So I'm just happy about those results and, and happy that I can help someone with that little, little detail I find. And I'll just tell you, and I'm not the, I'm not the how do I say that it dictator, I'm not gonna tell you exactly what to do, or I just try to let you know, Hey, I think this might help what you think about that. You can take the advice or you can, you can do whatever you want with it, but a lot of times Because I tried to find the best way to tell I don't force it on them. A lot of people, me personally, I don't like when people call it telling me, Hey, do that do that? No, if you find a bit the best way to approach me, you can have me do whatever you want. Just find the best way to approach me. And then I find that I use that on other people. I found the best way to approach you. I'm not going to tell you. If I were you, I'm going to, I was going to do that or for sure the person is gonna say, well, I'm not used, so I'm not going to do that. But I find the best way to tell you. Okay. I think this might be what you should probably try. Just give it a try. I'm not telling you to do it. Just give it a try. And a lot of times they try it. Um, Yeah, man, I had a lot of thoughts as you, were talking about that, the first one is you're talking about your, your spiritual journey, right? I feel like when you, when you start something like coaching and you go, you have that 12 and oh season. That's like a sign. That's like the spiritual world telling you, like, this is what you're meant to do. You know what I'm saying? I feel like that was like a huge indication that like you were in the right place at the right time doing what you were intended to do, you know? So that's a real special. And then I like what you said about. Having that kid focus on his strength, right. Instead of his speed, I mean, there's so much you can be gained right. From focusing on what you're good at in life and getting better and better at that. Instead of like trying to pick up the thing that you're the worst at, you know, whether it's writing or reading or running or communications, like don't focus on what you're bad at, right. Like focus on the things that you're really good at. And, and those will help you. Right. Be like a unique well-rounded person, you know? And then when, when I live with you, you actually so for listeners that don't know, I lived in a dorm room for two years, and then I live with Weezy for a summer, and that was the first time I ever lived on my own. So I was eating the campus food. And you had to teach me how to cook for the first time, especially you taught me how to cook eggs, right? Yeah. You're a member and we were always playing. But a protein bro, I guess at the time we didn't know it, but you were already coaching me on how to cook eggs. It didn't seem like coaching, but you, you do have just a natural ability, right. To teach someone something, but make it fun, make it entertaining, make it engaging. While also helping them and kind of not putting him down, but right. Like you, you kind of have to like, be the bearer of bad news sometimes. Like, Hey man, you're not good at making eggs. Like you're not good at cleaning up or whatever it is. And, and you can, you certainly have an ability to like, make that fun and engaging and. And memorable, right. If you're going to teach someone, if it's going to be educational, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't do you any good if you forget about it? You know, like the best teachers I've ever had are probably the most memorable ones, you know? Yeah. They're characters, right. They, they have that ability to just, just stick with you, you know, after, with time, you know, so that's great, man. I'm glad that you were able to find. Find your calling like that, you know? Yeah, yeah, me too. And I think you, you are on, on, on your way to, I mean, I think you find it found it too, but it's just a matter of figuring out how, where you want to go with that. Set some goals. And the thing about goals is that if you allow people just enjoy achieving those goals, but if you don't achieve. But just knowing that you work toward it, even we don't not do achieve it. It shipping is, is great. Winning is great, but the working part of it, just the, the journey to get there. Is it when greater? I don't know if you see what I'm saying. Yeah. It's great to, to achieve your goal, but the journeys are very important too. That's what's going to help you keep growing and then growing. So that's that's, that's awesome. Yeah, man specifically with my podcast, right? Like I could have set a goal, like I want a thousand listeners or something, but I don't, I can't really control that. I mean, you can, in some ways, but like my goal for this year is just to release one episode a week. Right. That's a goal that I can control and it's doable and that maybe I'll get a thousand listeners from doing that, but it's, it's something realistic that I can really go out and accomplish because. You know, you can't, you can't control everything. Yeah, for sure. They'll set some goals that you cannot control. do what you can control for sure. Yeah. Okay. What are your goals right now? Or what, what have been some of your goals since I've talked to. Well, I have I've set up a few goals. One I remember that back in 1,016, 2017 I was looking for jobs, obviously after college, I was looking for jobs. My, my friends had nice jobs in or they were making money, things like that. And I was still living with my parents. So I was, I was feeling like a. I should be doing something. What am I not doing? Or what am I doing wrong? Things like that. as a, as a spiritual guy, I started praying and a lot of people will say that it's a secret life and what you want, just ask for it and then you'll get it. Maybe not tomorrow, maybe not next week, but you will get it. So I was like praying almost every night. I remember praying I was praying for a specific job staying AKI. I want this job at this company. Now. I was saying that I want a job where I can grow. Personally, professionally and spiritually. And it took me a good two years, but I think that's where I'm at right now. My, my prayers have been answered. My prayers are being answered right now because I'm living. I'm happy. First of all, we, don't not have a lot of money in the bank, whether or not I'm the best looking guy, but I'm happy where I'm at right now, for sure. I wanna, I want to have more money. I'm trying to work toward that and be able to help my family more because I mean, if you have$100. You still got to eat. You still gotta pay bills and for sure you don't have a whole lot left. Well, I don't have a whole lot left for my family in Haiti and I got family down in Mexico. I got family almost ever I'm black. So I mean, so that's one of my goals trying to uh, well, it's not be rich but be more independent be able to do my own thing. I don't know if that makes sense, do my own thing. And. Well, I'll keep doing the things I like and try to leave out the things I don't really like. So I want to that in that sense, be more independent financially. And um, I wanna, I want one thing right now. I feel like I'm in a, I'm in a crossroad, so I want to know. If I'm going to spend the next five years where I'm at right now and keep growing, or if I'm going to go to that river, as I mentioned earlier, if I should stay in the aquarium and keep growing and keep learning or if it's the time that I need to. Okay, go ahead. Start swimming in the river. And then I have more obstacles and to learn more from them. So that's why it matters. So I'm trying to figure out that part out, but I'm sure I'm not, I'm probably not going to get that insert right now tonight. I'm just going to have to keep meditating on that. Keep praying on it. And one day My life will just, if I need to live here, I'll just, everything will just fall into places and I'll just leave. Uh, If I'm not supposed to live while I just keep doing my thing and keep growing and keep learning here. Uh, One other goal I have more like a personal goal. avid baby coming baby on the way in the oven. So I, one of my, thank you. Thank you. One of my goal is to be a, the father that unfortunately I didn't have growing up in a. Which I ended up well, as you know, you know, a little bit about my story. I was adopted more. I lost my parents and I was adopted by my aunt. And then I was adopted by uh, my family in the us, my American family. My dad was a very uh, I learned a lot from him. Unfortunately, he passed away back in 2019, and that was a big blow to me because I wanted to be more like. And at that point, and that's when I lost them. I don't know if that that was a big blow. I don't, you understand what I just said? But the, the, the time when I realized that, okay, that's the guy, when a be like, I'm gonna try to do actually what he's doing to be liking. And then all of a sudden you lost that guy. So I was like, wait, what, what happened? What should I do now? That, that was the guy. One of be like, but I realized that that's one thing. That's when I realized that you should church, all every single little moments you have, whether it's good moments, whether it's bad moments a lot of lessons I learned unfortunately I learned them the hard way. But those moments are still very important to me because those are lessons whether or not the hard way or the easy way. So I want to be like that or not. It like my dad was uh, professionally and personally he was he was strict I'm someone who needed a street guy at that moment. So, but at that moment, I didn't know that I thought it was, well, I'm not going to go into too much details, but at that moment I needed someone strict. So that's why God gives me so much streak. And at the same time he was there for me. I remember one of the things that got me very upset or even sad, I even cried about it is that I usually send him emails Hey dad, how you chat, chat, chat, chat, chat, chat. And then I know he's going to answer me as soon as possible, but now I can sit as many emails I want. Unfortunately, I'm not going to get. So that's a little chill. But yeah it sucks because I I've always wanted to uh, every sip or not also. And you can feel that from my tone, my voice, but yeah, I do miss him a lot. And I want to be there for my, for my kid, my kid. In parenthesis S hope to have more but yeah, I want to be, I wanna be that guy to my kids to my, my kids growing up, wanting to be like me wanting to be strong, like me mentally and spiritually and as a person, et cetera, et cetera. So that's one goal I have right now to be there for my kids and teach them. Well, all, all the hard lessons they need to learn and even all the easy lessons they need to learn and have fun with them. Enjoy every little moment where they're pooping or I need to change them. Things like the little single little seconds. I want to be sure that. I'm there for them and I want to be part of them and, and help them grow and, and be independent and not need me, but still want me to be around them. So that's one of my very important goal, right. That's huge, man. Well, first of all, I think you're going to make a great dad. You know, I, I know, obviously I know you, but it's shining through right now. You know, you're just the way you speak is very exciting and inspirational. Like I just think having you as a father would just be. Just a very high quality life or someone, you know, every, everything would be exciting, right? It's like those kids that you coach, but they just you know, your kid is going to have access to that all the time. And you care, right? Like that's a special just, I don't know. I can tell you put a lot of thought into it and that's exciting, man. I'm very, you know, Not everyone is ready and I think they get ready. But I think that, I think that you're, you are like, you can handle this and, and I'm, I'm so excited to see how this all turns out for you. So it is a scare moment, exciting and a little bit scary, because as you said, I've never been a father. It's that young one's gonna be like dependent on me. Depending on me. So but I'm excited though. I'm very excited my dad for a while. Remember that and you turned out great. So yeah. Let me say I'm a work in progress. Yes, that's right. For sure. We all are, man. Well, I'm ready to, I'm excited to meet my half-brother then dude, me and Weezy just had a running joke because he would help. Like I said he would help me cook and stuff like that. He was like, I'm basically your dad. that's why our joke was there. But It seems like there's a certain amount of uncertainty still about your future, right? Like you said, you still figuring it out. You don't know exactly how the next five years are going to do. But you do know you're having a kid. Right. But you seem to have this strong sense of faith that, you know, you're going to cherish every moment everything's going to work out. All right. You know, you seem to be like aligned with your purpose or your calling. Right. So I don't know. Could you just kind of talk on faith and, and how that plays a part as far as like your mentality towards maybe some of the challenges that you have and, and some of the difficulties that you've been through or, or have coming up, you know, in the future. Yeah, for sure. But before I talk about the future, I'm going to go back a little bit well, back in the, in the past that's actually one thing that, that has helped me through all my ups and downs in life is knowing God is there. God is good. Even in the bad moments even in the best moments, God is still there. It's just that We sometimes have to go through those ups and downs to truly cherish truly learn a lesson or cherish what we need to cherish or get stronger in life. As I mentioned pushup earlier, that's my philosophy. You don't. Big picks like that you got work for it. Right? And that's exactly what pushup is. You go, you go down and then gravity brings you down. It can be, your friends can be, your family can be your work. You can be anything gravity in life. I'm not talking about gravity outside physics, physics. I'm talking about in a spiritual realm. That gravity can be your, your joy. I can't even be yourself because you don't believe in yourself. You don't trust yourself or you doubting or whatever. You can be on gravity bringing yourself down. But a lot of times, if you stay down, then you're just going to stay down. You're not going to get those. You're not going to have gains. As we say. It's when you push up, you push up. So that's when those gains are coming and yeah, for sure. A fifth has played a big part in my life. When my, my mom passed away, I was feeling down, but figured out that God as a matter of fact, that's something, I usually tell people if my mom, my biological mom was still alive, I myself probably would have been dead because, well, well, I don't know, go into too much details, but that's how I felt that my mom was the kind of girl she doesn't mess around. She doesn't take she's all from anybody. She's if she says she's gonna do that, she's gonna do that. And as a kid, seeing your parents being like that, you can't want to be a bad-ass do like that. Sorry for the word. I think that God maybe it did not want that for me. Aqualine could have ended up being a gangster or I don't know. But God didn't want that for me. And one other parallel, I usually do it's more like an analogy. I see myself as a staircase, stairway or staircase every. Step is Zack a different phase in my life in, in that every step, every phase in my life at do need two people or more to help me, the first step was giving me birth. I needed that biological mom and that magical father to give me birth, to have those genes in myself, things like that. But after that, I felt like, well, from, from what a tank uh, might be wrong. But after that I was born, I unfortunately. So that all their job was done. So I needed my aunt, who was someone very strict, very uh, religious very spiritual to guide me through that phase in my life. And she guided me until I was 17. And I learned a lot of good values from her. I learned a lot of good things from her and um, Growing up. Uh, It's a, I'm laughing now, but I got the loud flipping from her too. So I needed that person in that phase to help me learn those things. And I thank God she's still alive now. And one of the few things, or maybe two things I'm gonna mention that is doing dishes, taking care of the house. I learned that from her she will leave me in the house and go to work. And when she gets back, everything needs to be clean. Dishes has to be done. Everything has to be clean. That's how I, I learned that value. And I, as I was mentioned earlier, as I told you earlier, I was helping my wife doing dishes. If you do that, Whoever does that his wife or your wife, future wife, she's going to happy that you help her doing dishes. Just that little thing, dishes, not everybody, Matt personally, at some point when I was a kid, I didn't want to do it. I was like, I don't want to do it, but I got some moving. I was a kid, but now growing up, it became like my therapy. I was always standing a friend of mine instead of doing whatever in that. Get in front of the same dishes. And when the dishes are clean, I feel good. I was like, whoa, I accomplished something just doing this is that little thing. I found my happiness in it, that little thing. And then to continue with my story my mom, that my aunt who became my mom taught me a lot of things about religion and God and have faith, things like that. And until today I keep thinking God for having put her in my life, because right now I'm using all those things I learned as a kid. Those things as a kid, I didn't want them. Now I'm doing them as an adult, and I'm happy that I learned how to do them and how to enjoy, appreciate doing them. And that's why I probably was a little bit hard on you asking you to do dishes and cooking and things like that, but you you'll find out, maybe, maybe you already found that out that you gotta be able to cook. You gotta be able to eat. You gotta be able to, after you're done cooking, eating, do the dishes, it just, it just that simple those things have to be done. But after my mom, I came to the us and it became my us family to guide me through the whole, a first world country to have a bank account, how to have. Card credit card Baghdad, the debit card. And I was bawling. Whenever I get paid, I spent everything now. Well, and they were teaching me. No, you should not spend all your money the next day. You should save it. You should have a budget. She, they even bought like monopoly money trying to teach me. Okay. You get paid 100 bucks. You take this for electricity, bill. You take this for, for water. You take this out for what are the bills? You have your cell phone, things like that. Okay, you have this left. Okay. This you have left. You shouldn't be spending it either. Again. You take a part, the good part of it. You save it because tomorrow you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. Are you going to be able to work it? My rent more? You might not be able to work. So you get to save that. Keep that for a rainy day, as I say, okay, you got. Enjoy yourself. Well, me, I did see that way. I'm like, no, I want to spend it all. I like shoes. I'm going to buy shoes. I like different color shoes. I don't want to have, I remember back then, I like almost two pairs of every single color, like two pair of four yellow shoes, red shoes, black shoes, because I was that guy. If I'm wearing a paints long pants, I want to wear it type of shoes. I don't want to wear high tops. I want to wear, if I'm wearing shorts, I don't know where high Tufts, so any, it has to be matching my, my my t-shirt or match my, my hat, things like that, which is okay at some point, but you don't want to spend all your money just to look good again. You got to, well, I'm not, I wasn't, I was trying to be rapper spending all my money to look good. And then truly, well, two days later I'm broke and that's what I was doing. But now I'm using those skills. I learned from them and, and that's what helped me buy a house like two years ago, because I was able to save money and save money and save money. And then all those little$1,$2,$3. While they, the up, over the years, they add up and I was able to have a little bit of money, more money to buy my house. And now I bought a house. It's not just to spend money, but it was more like an investment. I have a better place to live, but before I, that better place add to live in my studio apartment for nine months, it's like a baby in the warmup by the way, nine months. So, and then after that, I had to spend two years in a bigger apartment better, but yet it wasn't what I wanted. That's once again, push up when I had my stood apart. I would say, okay, I want to be bigger, better than that. And then when I got my other, I want bigger, better than that, so I can feel more independent so I can feel myself. Now I have this, I'm going to have to keep working and working and saving also. So I can have something better for my kids. And so my kids will enjoy life. Just like I want them to enjoy life. I don't want them to miss on miss out on anything. But to go back to your question, fifth, it is very important. That's something that has helped me. I don't know if you can see it properly. It says pray with trust. So you gotta pray for it and allow things. One thing I learned over the years is patience. You gotta be patient. When you plant a tree, it doesn't grow overnight. I don't know. I don't know about your cheese, the cheese that you played in the us, but the trees usually don't grow overnight. As a matter of fact another thing I learned too, when you plant the tree, the seed on the ground, don't go the pocket to see if it's, if it's working or not, don't go remove the dirt. Is it working now or is it working? No, don't do that. So you got be patient and wait and trust that that tree's gonna grow. And then one day it's going to be a big tree. You're going to enjoy those fruits and you're going to have fun. Back again. Fifth is something very, very important. And I think that's I'm not gonna say it's the key to happiness. But it's one of the keys. It's not just one key way to happiness. There are multiple ones and you gotta put them together, find the best way. And that key might not work for that door. And you gotta find the key. That's gonna work for that door. So sometimes you gotta be patient while you still working hard and working hard is another key for another door. I don't know if that makes sense. Okay. There are not two keys patients and working hard. You don't just be patient and you don't work. You see what I'm saying? So if you find one, let's say if I want a car. And not just, okay, I want to call, I want to call. I'm going to be patient. Even if, take me 50 years, I want to call, I'm going to stay here, sit here and wait for my car. No, it doesn't work that way. You go and sometimes save the money for that car. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Some things require action and some things require patients, you know, it just depends on, and sometimes you need to do both at the same time on different planes. Of course. And, and while you were talking, you reminded me the tree saying that you have reminded me of a saying I've heard, which is the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. And the second, but the second best time to plant a tree is today. Right. Basically saying like you should already have something in the works. Don't put it off anymore. Right? Like if you want something to grow, you got to start right now, you know? yeah man, you, you just went, you set my mind on so many different tangents sometimes to decide this one, to talk God discipline. I mean, so let's just start with God. Cause that seems to be a big part of your life. It seems like your step-mom right. Taught you about God, but do you ever doubt God, do you ever doubt that God is really there and like what in your life has, has given you. Confidence that no, he is there. He is. There is someone on the other end of this phone receiving these prayers or at least, you know, some of them or, or, you know, I don't know. I don't know what, what gives you so much more confidence out of like your own life and not just, you know, the belief system that you were handed? Well the thing is, as you mentioned, it's just not, it's not just handing it someone you gotta have your own. Personal relationship with it. And me personally, I have had, have had multiple main experiences that proved me that God exists. I'm not talking about just, okay, God came, they came down and I saw him physically, but in, in so many other levels that prove to me that it existed. And I can go back to as I mentioned earlier when I lost my mom I could have said, ah, God, does it exist? Why did I do it? Little kids, six year old kid, Lou lost his mom. That's not fair. God doesn't exist, or God doesn't love me. But instead of saying that well, I, for sure I was sad for sure. I probably was mad. But that was, that was the beginning of me learning that lesson or studying to have that relationship with God. So at the end, I no longer had money. So I was looking for something and, and who, who came, who showed up? It was God, I could have ended up in so many other little well things that could have brought me more problems, but God helped me Not get involved in those things? You know, usually when you mad, you tend to punch, you tend to uh, do something. And it's okay. It's not that okay. But a lot of people do it and I understand that, but that's not what God, God is. Well, as I said, he's always out there waiting for you to. Toward him, just other little fish and he's not going to show up the next day why he can he's he's he's he's God, he does whatever he wants, but it's, it's a process. Just like the tree thing. You, you, you have, you have got to have that faith, first of all, Gastaut by having a little fish. And then after that is going to see, okay, you approached to me, I'm going to show you, I'm going to show you that I'm I'm there and then it shows you something and you, you have a little bit more fish and you approach them again. It's like guys, I think it's the actual law is the law in physics. Like let's say you add that distance. A one kilometer from me. Okay. If I want to get closer to you, I can do one step. I'm one step closer to you, right? And guess what? You are one step closer to me. You understand? And I do another thing. And more steps. We, we, I take I'm closer and closer and closer to you. Right. You understand that. But first of all, I had to have that initial fear that okay. If I take that one step okay. You can even say to do the challenge. I I've heard people throwing challenges at God just to see if he he's already there. If that's where you want to go, I'm not saying that's what you should do or what they should do, but some people have that experience with If you really, if you truly exists, do that. Well, God is he can decide, okay, I'm going to show you, I exist. I'm going to do that. And then your mind is going to be blown. Mia, as I say, I have multiple experience. Not like literally that I've seen God or that I've, I've heard him things like that, but throughout my life, little details and one thing I usually. Take a as a, as an example, nature in general the creation or there has to be creator. Right. I, I do understand that some people talk about big bang. Well, who told you God, didn't big bang, right? Yeah, sure. Right? Yeah. You, you weren't there, you don't know that he could have been that the big bang for God. but the thing is you gotta have a little fish. So it starts, everything starts with a little fish. So if you don't have faith in anything, while you just it's, it's not gonna work out, you can have a faith in science. A lot of people think science is against God know. I believe God said those laws, those laws in physics or in chemistries. One exam, I usually take a tree or a flower growing up a key. You can see it's not God directly miracle asleep ma made the tree, but he made those how to say that those laws or those scientific equations, I don't know how you want to put it that make the tree grow. Right. So that, that's how I see it. And the thing is you, once again, just out a little tiny, tiny fish, or just, if you prefer throw him a challenge while it fair challenge that don't see, I'm gonna throw, I'm gonna jump off a bridge issue there that that's not the kind of challenge I'm talking about because That takes a little thing. That's that's not that challenge. I'm talking about that as a matter of fact, that's against God doing something to hurt yourself on purpose. He's not, he's not gonna like, so don't do it. I don't know if I answered your question, but sort of, yeah. So I, I don't know. I also have some sort of faith. Whoever I'm interviewing to me, it feels like God put that person in front of me, think about how we met. There's so many random factors that went into you and me meeting and then me living with you. And then all of a sudden, you know, like, obviously I've messaged you in this case, but in general, I'm just. To interview anyone. And it just depends on people's schedules and who is in my existing network. And sometimes it's a friend of a friend and I just kind of have this feeling and it's more of a feeling right then like like the real deal, like a proof. But I have this feeling like whoever I'm talking to this week on the podcast is like, God put that person in front of me. Cause it just feels so completely like almost randomized. You know what I'm saying? Not, not like once we knew each other, it's not random, but friendship that we've formed, you know, like one of my friends, Blake, me and him are like very close and we were random roommates, you know freshman year, things like that. So to me from your story is kind of what I'm taking apart is that after your, your real mom passed away, the. It felt to you like, God put your step-parents in your life for a reason, right? Like that, that felt to you. Like it, it was the people that you needed at that time. And that someone, something bigger was going on, you know, like, like something put, put that situation together for you, you know, for a purpose, for a reason. That's what, that's what you needed to go through or the next person that you needed to, to take care of you kind of is. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's exactly that in there's a verse that says it. I don't remember exactly what it is, but I'm going to try to paraphrase. It says all things work for the good of those who believe in God. So whether the situation is a bad situation, I've been in so many, a bad situation, but I feel like God, that allows. To happen for me to learn the lesson or for me to meet someone. And that thing you said about meeting people the way I see it is that gadget really put those people on your path for two reasons. It can be two reasons at the same time. The first reason is either that person's going to teach you something at some point in your life or going to help you with something in your life. At one point, the second reason it's either you who's going to help that person in his life, going to whatever is going to, and God needed you at that specific spot or at that dorm room or whatever it was to meet that person. So you can teach that person, that lesson or that person's gonna teach you that lesson. And a lot of times it's, it's both, you teach the person and the person teach you. So that's usually how God. And a lot of people talk about those stars or those coincidences or all kinds of things. But a lot of people might get mad at me, but I think all those things the, all those people are trying to remove God from what he's doing, which is excellent work of using whether it's a friend of a friend or using whatever situation and that situation, whether it's bad right now. But if you believe in God and trust, trusting, You're going to see that that was probably the best thing whether it's a bad situation, a bad thing that happened is going to be at the end of the day, being the best thing, just keep focused on God, don't see the situation. And a lot of times when you're in a bad situation, you just see dark in front of you. You just see a wall you don't see around you. And sometimes I advise people just put that Goggle, that, that, that Goggle that's gonna well, it's, it's called a good attitude, a positive attitude, and that that's the Goggle that's going to help you see the real deal, the real thing happening. And so of seeing just the wall in front of you, you just need that, that Goggle. Yeah. Just the fact you've changed your attitude and, and everything's gonna work out for the best A lot of times people say that if you send positivity to space or whatever positive energies, you're going to get positive energy back. It's sort of true. Because if you have faith in God wash, obviously God's going to answer it. But if you don't have faith in God, well, he's going to say, well, you don't, you don't believe what you want me to do. So yeah. It's true. Yeah. I don't think this is a Christian idea, but this kind of reminds me of idea. I heard once of it's called sacred contracts is basically saying that like every person that you interact with, like in the spiritual world, before you came to this plane of existence, you had a contract with that person that you needed to carry out. So like for instance, you and me, we, it was set in stone before we were even born. Like you and me were supposed to help each other in some way. And it's an interesting way of viewing things because some people antagonize you. Right. But you need that person to be a hurdle that you overcome. You know what I'm saying? So, so you might have a contract with somebody. That either you need to antagonize them or they need to antagonize you and it might seem good, bad, you know, it might frustrate you or whatever, but in the spiritual lens, if you put a spiritual lens over it, it's like, no, the people that antagonized you, you needed them as much as the people who helped you. You know what I'm saying? Because, because, because just like you saying about pushup, right? You need something to push against. You need you, if you're, if you're always up, if everyone helps you in life, then you got nothing to like grow from, you know? So that's just an interesting idea. But another thing that you mentioned about, I think your, your step-mom that that would be interesting to talk about is, is she instilled a lot of discipline in you, right? So what is some advice you, you maybe give to the, the kids you coach, or that you would give to someone that struggles with discipline on, on how to, to have like a disciplined life, you know, or just a habit struck. That's disciplined. Well one thing I'll tell everyone is it starts with you. It's when you start being convinced that, okay, that's what I need to do. And that's when you're going to have a good positive change in your life. If it's just people beating you to do it, to do it well, you're going to do it for sure. You might get some results, but that's not the right result. We want you, the thing is you get starts with you. And for sure, I understand that it takes 21 days to study new habit or whether it's good or bad habit. Let's see, my mom was beating me to do dishes for 21 days. Maybe I start feeling wanting to do dishes, things like that, but you got one point con try convince yourself, like, if you are okay, why should I do that? What's the good, what's the. And a lot of times one thing I realized about my parents is that those things they were forcing me or making me do work good things. Then that's when I was at wit, why am I against doing good things? What was wrong with me? Well, that is going to help me. What should I do it? I remember one thing I came home with a bad report from school and I got up, I got a nice whooping and all that way. It's my life. It's my it's my report. Why you beating me? Then I realized a key, like in society you got sometimes work hard. And the thing is, my mom knew it's because I wasn't working. I just want, I just want it to play around and joke around at school. And so working hard to have that good grades. And that's when I got the whooping. It's not, it's not just the having the bad grid, but it's the process resulting in the bad grade. So, and then that's when I realized, okay, well, good grades are good. I mean, if you, if you work hard, as I mentioned earlier, if you work hard and you did not achieve the goal, that's one thing. But if you just did not work hard, let's say you're doing that podcast. And everyday you just messing around. You're not taking this seriously. Not, well, you're not going to grow man, to get out of discipline. Find that convince yourself. Okay, why should I do it? What's the good thing about it. And then that's when you, when you realize the good thing, the good result, that's when the discipline will start making sense. I don't know if that makes sense to you that once you convince yourself, that's good, I should do that. So that it starts right there that, okay, it's good. I should do it. And then after that, you're going to have all the challenges maybe one day, I'm not going to feel too well to, to keep that discipline. But once you across that bridge, you like you force yourself to do it where like you get the good result, that good feeling with I was not feeling well to work out. I worked out and I feel great now. Wow. And then you just keep going with that and keep going and keep going for sure. You're going to have bigger challenges, but it's the thing is that you shouldn't be scared, was being scared. Is human. Well, the, what you should do is fight that scare. Confronted face it, and then you're going to adjust. See, it's just going to vanish. I remember as a kid, I used to be scared of the dark. Then I realized, wait, what, why should I be scaled? So I, I decided, okay I cannot grow and be an adult and be scared of the dog. At one point I got stopped. So I decided, okay, now I'm going to start. and I started, and now I went in the room and it was dark. I was like, I'm not going to be scared. I'm not going to be scared, things like that. And other example I can give you is my, with my aunt who began the, my mom's sister who adopted me, my aunt, who became my mom and not my step-mom. I just wanted to clarify that. And I realize we're at church and I was very shy. Well as a kid I was shy and my mom wanted me to go pay, not pay, but give the, the Thai. And I was shy. Didn't want to do it. And she was like, go do it. And then that's, when not when I stand to do it, I, I faced my fear and that's when I run. There was nothing to be afraid of. And then I went and did it. And that's actually, one thing I learned is that you got fished your fear and whether it's that shoe of being disciplined of doing that good thing for yourself, you just got faced it. And I use that. And actually that helped me throughout the college. Let's say you at a ball at the party. You see that nice looking girl and you scared to go talk to her. One thing that I used to tell people just can't on three and go on to you. See what I'm saying? Then you say, okay, I'm gonna count on three. And then you go on to don't think about it. Just go, right. So if you're going to keep going to 1, 2, 3 hour, you're going to keep adding four or five, six, et cetera. And then you're just going to convince yourself not to do it. Okay. You count on three. So you want to, and you go, so that's, that's something that while you ha has your girlfriend, that's such a change in topic. She's good. She's great. She's in grad school right now. Nice. How's your wife. I, you told me, I didn't know. You had a wife. Yeah. We get married last August. So congratulations, man. I had no clue. Yeah. I, I, I kept that as we say, I live with my girlfriends, and we moved to Florida recently. And so yeah, we have a dog. Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. Yeah. Wait, so I was trying to, I mean, I have a lot of other questions I asked you, but I guess now you're asking me these types of questions. Like where do you? No, no, no, no, I do. I love it when people ask me questions because I'm like constantly asking the questions and yeah, I'm not going to ask myself questions, but I think the audience audience likes back and forth, but okay. I had a lot, I have some like, like abstract type questions now in my head we'll return to, but just I'm here. I am curious, like, where do you think. I live in Quebec. It's well we can say state in Canada, actually, one of the, if not the only French state we speak French here, but in Quebec I live in the Northern part of Quebec, you know, Nova, Virginia, and then there's Nova in the Northern part of Virginia. So I live in that little in the little small town about maybe 20, 40,000 people. Not a whole lot my little aquarium as I put it. But, yeah, it's, it's very cold. That's one thing ad will not like about it. But that's something that I've learned to overlook. I just, that winter seems to be like eight months out the year, but other than that I've been, I've been very blessed to find that little city where, as I mentioned earlier, I was praying for a place walking grew as a person and a spiritual et cetera. And that, that that's the place that I found. I came to a much real, I was living with my aunt for like two months. I didn't like it. I did feel, I felt like something else was calling me. I felt like I needed to get out, do something. I didn't know what it was. And then I was applying for jobs. And then everywhere. So some more true. And then the first job the first interview we did and that those guys were my, my boss it wasn't the money. As a matter of fact the, what they offered me, I talked to my dad about it was like, yo, you know, you can make a lot more than that with your, what you study, things like that. but I wasn't seeing the money. I felt like that's where I'm supposed to go. And that city is called Valdosta. in French, it was in English. It means golden valley golden valley gold. We have a lot of gold here in the new, new I'm a golden boy But I didn't know anything about it. I tried to go on Google. What is valid or where is valid or how it's valid or who is valid or things like that. But couldn't find much. And as I said, I've never been here before, but I decided I took the bus well accepted the job Even though they were not giving me a whole lot of money I've never been there. My boss actually helped me find that studio apartment to live And, and I took the bus with my backpack, with my laptop in it, me and my, my suitcase. And, and I was like, yo, I'm ready. So I took the bus, I came here a five hour drive on the bus and I got. And I was like, okay, what should I do now? Where do I go? What is that? That's like a ghost town. What is this? But I even tried to use Google map and got lost. I was like, if I keep going that way, the time keeps going higher and higher, so I should go the other way. And I went the other way and I got there just by walking 15, 20 minutes. That's actually one thing I really like about this place. It's like a small city. You can walk almost everywhere. Well, it's, it might take 20, 30 minutes depending, but it's very small. You can walk, just walk and back then I didn't have a car. So that was perfect for me and my to go grocery shopping. It was like five minutes to go get the shoes was like 10 minutes. So it was perfect for me without the car. So when I get to my studio, I saw that little room. There's the toilet here. And then was just like a living room, basically with a kitchen area and a toilet. but when I got there, I fell in peace, man. I felt like a kid. This is, this is home for me. That's where I'm supposed to be. It's not big. That's why I'm going to start and I'm going to stay focused. I do have my mom here. I do have my dad here. It just, me being my own dad being my own mom. I got cooked for myself. I gotta do laundry. I gotta do dishes. I got, I got, well, I got to make sure I enjoy myself. And, and I used to watch I do enjoy watching sport soccer as I mentioned earlier. But one thing about me is that I can't not sit still and watch soccer or watch TV, and that's actually begin my, I used to take off that as a weakness and I turned that weakness into my biggest, my biggest strength ever. So what I started doing while watching. I started just doing pushups. Okay. I cannot stay still what my soccer game. I'm going to do some pushups. When I watched the NBA games, every, a little break. Okay. I do some pushups I can. And then some people, when I would walk out on the streets, some people will see are, why do you work out? What gym do you go to? Who's your coaching like that? And that gave me a lot of encouragement. I felt, I felt good. Honestly, maybe my ego, my head got bigger, but that encouraged me. Okay. If just doing that while watching sport, doing something else that I enjoy and I get those results. So I'm going to keep pushing up. So I got me two dumbbells and, and I started doing my biceps too. And wow, you got a nice bicep, things like that. And that. Again, he's encouraging me. And I just keep growing. I got, after that, I got a little bench and I got a, I got, I got more and more and more just keep going and going and growing. And then after that, well, as I said, I ended up needing to leave that space to go to a bigger apartment. And I kept doing that same thing, working out while watching sport doing dishes figure out the best time to, to clean the house and do laundry and make my, I started making my bed. So I was, as I say, I became my own daddy. I have my mom to tell me to do that guy, be that guy, do this, do that. And as I said earlier, that discipline came when I figured out, okay, those are good things, Ashley. Why not do them. So I started doing them sometimes probably forgot to make my bed. It's okay. I know the next day I'm going to do it and I tried to do it the next day. So it's okay to fall. It's just that when you fall, don't stay down. Okay. You gotta push yourself up to go back up. All right. So that's, that's what I started doing and, and doing and, and I keep doing, and I'm sure that's what you're doing with your podcasts, with your personal projects, professional projects, you might not get there immediately. You might fall down. Some people might tell you might not. You're not going to get there, but don't listen to the noise out there. There's always going to be gravity trying to pull you down, you know, so you just gotta keep pushing up. And that's why it's going to give you that strength. And, and the thing about doing pushups, maybe the first time you start doing pushups, you might just do five, right. But if you keep doing every day or every two days, That five pushups. You can do it. You might eat, it's going to be at a 10 pushups. And then one day you're going to do 20 pushups. And then one day you're going to do 30 pushups. So that's how you gain that, that endurance in life, whether it's school, whether it's your work, today, you fall down. Okay. Just pick yourself up and get back on the horse as they say, and then keep going, man. That momentum right there. dude, what? It's just kind of blow my mind. I'm in Tampa, Florida, a little bit above and you're in Quebec, Canada. Yeah. It's probably like 30 hours to drive straight upwards from here to here. Like it is summer eight, nine months out of the year here and it's winter eight or nine months. There we are in just completely different climates. It's so crazy. I went down, you went up. But it's okay. It's okay. Because one thing I learned, speaking of trees earlier is that some trees need a cold water and other trees need warm weather. So it's, it's all, you just gotta figure out what, what count environment you need. We don't have a lot of apples in Haiti. Why? Because Haiti is very, very hot and apple sometimes need cool fresh air. But we do have a lot of other trees. We have a lot of coconuts. Maybe you have that. Tampa bay, but up here in Canada, we don't have that every little tree everything's different. You just got to figure out what, what you need and then get it for yourself. And then you're going to see you just going to keep growing and growing. And so you think that you thrive in the cold that it was better for you? Actually one thing I realized, and I'm not the most scientific guy, but, and shine was right. Coal is relative, right? Temperature is relative. So I find that out because when I first got to Virginia, it was in April, 2010. I was wearing who D I was called. And my dad, my family were in like, t-shirts t-shirts t-shirts. I was like, yo, I coma I'm freezing. So, and I was wearing Cudi and then that's when I, and I was like, okay, You do you, I'm going to keep wearing hoodies. And then when I got too much real, I was like, yo, that was nothing back then. And I thought that was cool. Now it's cold. And then I got five hours even higher up north and it's even colder up here. So I'm like, yeah, call his relatives. but to answer your question it's not just the temperature that makes the environment. It's not just two D or three D life is not three D or even for the life. It has so many dimensions in the spiritual realm that we don't even know. We don't even see. It could be the fact that I'm here just to meet some. And I did that whole drive up here to live here, just to meet one person that I needed to meet. As you mentioned earlier, like those contracts, I don't know, maybe my next place will be in Tampa, Florida. But I remember one thing though, back in Haiti, I used to say we never had snow. I used to see, I want to assist no, I like Alex. I used to sit in TV, but I wanted to live it. And then when I got to Virginia, I'll say, okay I just want to see snow. I don't know, shovel it, but, and then, and I was like, I like snow. I like seeing it fall. And God took that little. And send me an I'm here because something, I said like five years as a kid. Well, as a younger, me and God took it literally. Okay. You said you like seeing snow fall, I'm put you in spot where snow will fall almost every day or like 3, 4, 6 months. So enjoy. So now instead of saying that I don't like snow, I mean, I still like seeing it for. Now I'm seeing something different, maybe actual have a, a second house somewhere in the south. So, so when, when I'm paired of that snow that I like seeing I can go down south and just watch snow on TV. So that's, that's, that's probably my next goal. So be careful what you wish for as the wisdom there. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Does your wife only speak French, then she speaks a little bit of English and we speak Creole. We, we are Haitians. We speak real. Okay. I think that's about it. Okay. So you guys are both Haitians then. Okay. But you met her there? Well, we met we met at a church in Montreal was Laval, but it's module area and yes, she's Haitian, but she was born. Okay. Okay. That's wild, man. Dude, your life is just so different than mine. Like just like obviously everyone's life is different. You could be different lives living in the same house, but just the fact that we just went in opposite directions from Virginia still is just blowing my mind, you know? Yeah. But I mean, you're not the only one who did that. I think I know a few other brothers did that, but as I said, everybody needs a different environment. It's adjust the temperature. It's not just the, the, the wind blowing or if it's, it could be, maybe you needed to see you. You do like a. I maybe I think more than anything people need change too. I feel like it makes me sad sometimes to think of people that don't go get new experiences, you know, and there's ways of getting that in your hometown or in the same town, but just taking your life and just putting it somewhere else. I mean, you have to adapt and grow and change and alter. Like, it's very, very good for your self-growth I think. You need to constantly be challenging yourself and pushing yourself and doing those pushups and just tossing yourself in a new area is like an automatic way to just force yourself to grow. Yeah. Yep. Yes. Sometimes you got, gotta force yourself to grow. If you keep doing the same thing over and over it, while you're not going to learn new things, you're not going to do a new thing. So you gotta force yourself to do it. So one thing that we haven't talked about yet is, is you kept telling me that you want to open up a gym or something. So you, you have your career. Right. And then the coaching stuff is kind of like on the side, right? That's not, the coaching is not your job, right? Well, the coaching is more like it's first of all is is a hobby. I do enjoy doing that. it's my passion. But that's not what paid the bills, unfortunately, and I don't want it. I don't know if I want it to pay the bills either. I don't want to have that stress to gnocchi. I got coach, I got coach to make money. I got coached to make money. No I wanna, that's what I was saying earlier. I want to be more. Financially. So I can be, have more time to do what I love doing, which is coaching. And I will love to be able to travel and coach different and go to different. Well, that's probably another gym of mine to go to different conferences and talk to people about my life. Even write a book, how I came from being a often and often Haiti to become who I am now and hopefully my own kids, my own family, those things. So I want to be able to travel in and let people know that what, what you see in front of you, this is not. If there's, there's something being good in that in that wall in front of you, if you can just climb it and go over it, the sky's the limit, as I say. And, and sometimes as you put it, you got to change where you add, you gotta either change your, your, the location physically. But one very important thing is you got change the mindset to That's where it plays out in your mindset. So if you have the same mindset of a kid, when you're a kid, obviously you are doing kids stuff, right? Which is correct because you're a kid you are taking as a kid, you are talking as a kid, but now you are you who you are now, you can be doing the same kid stuff, crying tossing things. I don't know what you were doing as a kid. I'm just, I'm just saying things. I should stop talking now. But yeah, I shouldn't be doing the same kid starving you are doing because you're not in that phase anymore. You like, you are this wage gap. Do that, those things. Now you got change the mindset. It's not, I mean, you still going to be the same. I'm still the same guy in the sense that I do enjoy. I do care for people. I love people at the one on the tell a few jokes to break the ice. But at the end of the day, At change, the whole thing out. Wanna like with my, all the skills I have, I wanna like tell the jokes, but yeah. To have a lesson behind that joke at the same time. And, issue. Like you can just stay on the surface, but you just think about the words I say, it's not just one dimension word. It's it's multi dimension. I usually try to talk. I said earlier riddles, I mean, you can consider as riddles, but it's more like two, three dimension words. It's not like just little words. I mean, it does have a little meaning to, for sure. And if you take it literally, well, you going to have a little result out of it, but you should take it in order ways. You're going to get all the result too. And that's one thing I learned about the Bible. The Bible is, first of all, is a spiritual book. You can write. With your own eyes are naturally, and they have good stories in it. But those stories, there are reason the written and especially in the old Testament, all those things may have happened in literally naturally. But those things, all like stories that I'm living right now in the spiritual realm and, and the thing I bought the Bible, and you might agree with me and you might say I'm completely wrong, but it's okay. We all are entitled to our own opinions. But one thing I realized about the Bible is that it's, it's more like a guide, a manual to live life. For sure. Allow things. If you're looking at. Naturally, or literally they might not make sense. You might say, oh, that person was weak for doing that. But he, he had some other kind of strengths that help him do that. And as I was mentioning earlier, allow stores, There's the whole story about Moses who got that? Those people out of Egypt from slavery in Egypt and in the spiritual realm for me, it's like me. Getting out my own slavery or my own way of doing things my own way of seeing things and to get myself out of that and try to see things differently, to have more freedom mentally, spiritually, that that's why I see it. And there are so many other stories. It just, that you gotta find out how it's gonna re relate to you, not just on a natural physical level, but on spiritual level. the thing that I'm most impressed with the Bible and, and just religion in the traditions, I think you're kind of getting at, which is there's deeper, meaning packed into the traditions and the sayings and the stories that, a right, these meanings could be passed down through generations, without someone knowing, right? So say like your, your grandfather understood the meaning. He might tell your dad the story, your dad might not get the meaning, but he just tells you the story and then there's meaning there for you to grab onto. So it doesn't matter if not everyone gets it, it doesn't matter sometimes. Right. That's interesting to me. And then also there seems to be meaning packed into the stories that you might not even consciously understand, but It's like your spirit understands or, or something within you, it unlocks something within you. That means something right. the power of a story is that we see, like you were saying you view that as the the Israelites getting out of Egypt as like symbolic of, of you getting out of Haiti, right. Or, or something in your own life. We, we, we tend to attach ourselves to the main characters in stories and you know, we tend to think, what, what would I, what would I do in that situation? Or, or, you know, and in a certain way, it allows, even if we don't realize it, it allows us to gain wisdom, learn lessons, without even realizing it without even, without even understanding it. You know? So it's super interesting that, that we don't even need to. Fully understand the wisdom that we're gaining sometimes, you know, just by telling stories to each other, because it's entertaining. Right? I mean, it's, it's, if you want to think about the meaning, I mean, that's, that can be boring, but to tell a cool story, it's just entertainment, but you walk away with something deeper and like you said, it hits it. It. It helps you grow in different dimensions that you don't even, you don't even need to be aware about, you know? Sure. But unfortunately, as I said, some people just stay on the surface. They don't go different. The thing is, I think I heard that story about Titanic what made the Titanic sank. It wasn't that little piece on top that they saw, but the bigger iceberg was, well, the bigger part of the iceberg was on the bottom of the ocean. I don't know if that makes sense. Like it was, it was just what you saw on the surface, but also what's on the surface is part of the bigger part. The bigger part is, was at the bottom. So a lot of times people just see the little, the Sur what's on the surface and they just stayed there, but you gotta go deeper than that sometimes. Yeah, man to switch the topic we were talking about just how enthusiastic you are and how you're good at encouraging people. Right. And that's something that I'm trying to work on because I've just recently kind of realized that, you know, with my podcast, every episode is like an opportunity for me to like, encourage someone, like bring them up a little bit, and I'm doing that a lot in this episode. Right. But you're also. It's it's, it comes easier for you than, than with everyone, right? Like someone who comes into this episode who's maybe doesn't think highly of themselves or is depressed or something, you know, it's harder to pull that person up, you know, it's easier for me to compliment you. Right. But do you have any advice on, on how to encourage people, how to be the kind of person that can instill greatness and others, because I'm, I'm seeing some trends here, you know, like, I think your enthusiasm, and like you said, you can be funny and packing, meaning within, you know, the jokes, but like, how is that something that I could learn how to do? Or is that something that that you are it's something that comes with your intuition. That's like part of your personality. Well, while it's a little bit of both, I want to say and the example I can take is I'm going to take two soccer players. I'm going to take MSCI, and I'm going to take Ronaldo the both grid players. But if you look at Messi, you're going to see he was born with that talent. And if you look at Ronaldo, he works for that talent. And in life, we need to be that those two persons combined, yes, you have that talent, but you got to work on it. You gotta keep working on it and that little talent. And once again, I go back to pushup. That little talent is going to be, keep working at it. It's going to be bigger talent, bigger, bigger, bigger talent. So it's not got that snowball effect, but. Do anything with that talent? You just ask people say, you just waste that talent, unfortunately. So the advice I'll give to you, and I've already said it just keep at it, man. Just keep pushing. You might, ah, after the podcast you might say to yourself, ah, that's the advice actually, I've got that Ashleigh, given that person. That's the thing I should have said, but keep that in your back, you know, in your head for the next time you might not, you don't know, maybe there'll be a next person and that. It might not be the exact same words, but the same concept. And I'm sure you've used a lot of those things that you've said to other people in general in life to tell me right now, too, it's not just that all of a sudden everything comes in place and you're telling me all those great stuff you're saying it comes with experience because you did the first episode, you did a second episode and you learn from those things and keep learning. And then one day uh, well, I'm not going to say you're going to stop learning. That's that's the lie always keep learning and. Well, one thing I, I do enjoy is I don't know how to say it. It's not just the result. It's the process of getting that result. It's enjoying what you're doing. And as I mentioned earlier, I've always loved people. I've always enjoy telling whether it's a joke. If I see Nico you feeling down, I'll try to find a joke or even do something silly. Some people will say, are you stupid? I don't care. Like if that, if that gives a laugh from someone or a smile from someone just that positive energy, and I've gotten that a lot, that a lot of people just by the way I talk or the way back then, the way I sit stupid stuff, just say stupid stuff. And they think I'm stupid. It's okay. Should think that. But I did. I had the higher purpose when I said that stupid things and you probably don't see it, but I see it. I know it. And a lot of times people tend to get stuck in what people think of them or what people say about them, things like that. But the only one, I'm not gonna say the only thing that matters is what you think about yourself. But that has a very important part of where you're going to get in life. If you keep taking a boat, if you, the only thing that matters is how people see you or what we'll see about you. You're not gonna get far in life because there's always going to be some people to say negative things just to stay negative things because the negative people. the other thing about it, for sure, every little negative things you got to be the judge you got. Get out of your body and silky that negative thing that person see, does it have a good part? Does it have a bad part? Okay. What's the good out of it. Let's see I make a beat and for sure. I'm not the best BitMaker and for sure, some people will say that's a nice bit and other people will say, okay, that, that little uh, piano, I think it's too high. And it's my job to analyze what that person see. is it really too high or is that, that person ears too low? I don't know if that makes sense. Okay. I'll say someone was saying Hey, you're you talk too fast and the other person who you are you sure? I talk too fast? Or is it you listening too slow? Yeah, that can be arrogant, but I'm not saying you should be arrogant, but you got analyze things. Okay. Is there something positive in that negative thing that person say I cave. There's Ben cred. I take that even though it's something negative, but you get something positive out of it. You see what I mean? It's like that negative times negative gives you positive right in math. So that's what you gotta do for your own for yourself. As soon as we started this interview, it was something that can't be learned. Like you just had a certain energy level to you. Right. And it, it gave me energy. I'm like, whoa, like none of my guests not to hate on any of them, but none of my guests have come in with this, the level of energy that you had. I don't know, like no one can match this. Just. Excitement or something, and I'm trying to theorize what it is. I, I feel like maybe you're more in touch with like your inner child or something. Maybe that's why you're good at coaching. Not to say you're childish, but I'm saying like you said, you have a lot of discipline in, you can wrap wisdom in it, but you also, you have the enthusiasm of a kid or something at times, you know, I don't even know what you were saying. I'll go listen to it again. But it was, it was the level of energy that, that you started this conversation off that just kind of, like I said, it hit me like some, some caffeine. Right. And then. You know, I, I started this podcast to learn for my startup company. And then it turned into like, no, I just want to do this for fun, you know? Or, or just like, not put a label on what it was. And so I think it's been kind of hard for me to break away from the serious, like, I, it used to be like I needed to learn in every episode, so it was very serious. And then now it can be whatever I want it to be. And I'm like, I obviously I want to ask questions and be the interviewer and be serious, but I'm like, I don't know. Like I also just want to have fun with someone and record that and bring that level of energy, you know? So that's something I really appreciate about, I don't know what you bring to the table. And um, I would like to emulate that more, you know, I would like to just bring an unprecedented level of fun energy to every conversation that the listener is just like, whoa, I love listening to this guy. Like I love, I imagine that. Thing for this podcast would be for people to listen to it in the gym. It doesn't have to be about lifting weights or, or fitness, but it should be that I want it to be the type of podcast you put it on in the gym and you feel like you can do anything. Right. Yeah. And I feel like this, this episode was like one of the best as far as like you know, just a dose of like, you can do it, pick me up pushup. Right. Kinda, kind of, kind of. And it was just, it was just the right. It just hit a certain frequency that I've, I feel like I've been looking for just have the right kind of energy, you know? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I appreciate that. Thank you. Thank you. But you, you said something earlier, I, it to come and well, I wanted to let you finish. That's something I'm trying to learn and practice letting people finish what? Starting to time, because I get so excited. I'm like, yeah. But yeah, I'll let you finish. But you said you wanted to. If you want it to email it that, but the thing is you halfway there just knowing what you want is affidavit. The other part is, is, well, I'm not gonna say it's easy, but just work toward that thing. Once again, just that law I mentioned earlier, you, you want a car? Don't just sit and wait for the car. You walk toward the car. Like if you will, as I said earlier, that let's say you want a meter away from me. Like, if I want to get closer to you, don't walk the other way. Just to walk closer, like step at a time. You want to get that? Just try to do it every now and then remind yourself, oh, I should do that. Do that. So you gonna get there. And one day as they say, just going to be like second nature and me obviously did not come. Why some people might say came easy, but I had to work on it. I had to, sometimes I get so excited and that, and when I sit things, all the words come out at the same time. I'm like, I don't, I don't understand it, but it's okay. Sometimes I speak fast and I'm not saying you listen too slow. That's not what I'm saying, but I do have to work on myself on that part and just chill. And I know you excited, bro, but just making sure. That message. Get a cross because with all that excitement, if the message doesn't get across well, I mean, you're not going to get that result, so yeah. So yeah, sometimes you're going to see me like bro chill, I'm chill, but yeah, I got to remind myself, but you, you gotta do the same, but maybe on your way, just like me, I came up north I, I went to Canada and you went down. So right now I need to tell myself, chill like, well you too excited. So you guys say the opposite, you get excited, be happy, but yeah. Thank you man, for seeing that. Appreciate it. And the second thing I was going to say about that, well, It doesn't have to be uh, as those people say once, once in a lifetime thing, well, we can try to do that. Maybe what I can not promise once a week or once a day, but maybe we can try that, not that day or see how it goes. Like, just talk I'm sure. Uh, You have other questions for me. This is not all the questions you have, but we can try that another time and see and keep that excitement going. I'm for sure. I'm going to learn from you. And I'll try to bring something up to the table that you can probably learn, or I'll even tell you a joke that you can laugh. So that, that will be, so I don't want to put you necessarily on the spot, but do you have a. Oh, yeah, that was a joke. Yeah. But yeah, you laugh. So that's my job, even before telling the joke, but right now I cannot dig. That's fine. That's fine. I got a rule. Like don't, don't ask, don't ask my guests anything right. That they can't answer. But sometimes then they say something like that, like I've had guests be like, Hey, I just read this book. And I'm like, oh, what was it about? And they're like, oh, I don't know. I don't remember. Or something that I'm like, well, don't, you know, well, don't tell me you read it then. Yeah. Oh, sure. But you're fun without telling jokes, man. You don't, you don't need the joke. Yeah, that was my point. Without telling you a joke. I wasn't listening, listening. It's hard. I was just like you, right. I would just run my mouth all the time. And then when I started doing the podcast, I was like, oh shit, I got to listen more. You know, not just wait until it's your time to talk, but really absorb what the other person is saying. And really because the listener, if the interviewer doesn't actually listen to what you're saying is really obvious. It's really obvious, you know, if I just change the subject here and there, and I'm not like acknowledging, you know what you're saying? So wait, did we talk about the gym though? I don't know if we ever talked about it but I don't think so, but. I mean, I don't think you've done it yet. Right. But one of my goals is to open up a gym some day and you've been telling me one of your goals is to open up a gym. So I guess let's just start with like, why, why do you want to open a gym? Well first of all, one thing I realized is that my life is a gym. Life in general is a gym in a war. I know if we can just put a label saying in the spiritual world or real that my life is a gym, but don't allow people. And I'm personally was guilty of that saying that I cannot go to the gym. It's too expensive. Or can I go to the gym? It's too far. I used to find all kinds of excuses and I'm really good at finding excuses. That's actually my second best still, but yeah. So I realized that anywhere I'm at that should be my gym for sure. I'm probably not going to have the best equipment, but one thing I realize, as I mentioned, living in my studio apartment or my other apartments there, I was doing exercises. I got, I got a little friend that came to. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. That's so cute. I'm going to have to show my girlfriend this clip. Well, I might need the copy of this clip too. So I think we we had a good synergy going on. All right. Papa is a busy. Okay. All right, bye. That. I have, I have a little dog too. I have like a four or five pound Maltese. I don't know that, that guy, well, what little white, white, white, fluffy dog. She's very fluffy, but we had to shave her. And she's a pompom, you know, those very energetic. Maybe that's where I get. I got my energy. Well, yeah, well we're a third year, but I get the gym. So yeah, as you can see behind me, My little bike. So I, I try to do every now and then and I have like dumbbells in the room back there. But to go back to what I was saying earlier, I used to find excuses, whether it's money, whether whatever it was, then I wanted to. Help people especially for the money part. And I want it to have something that's that's free, but everybody's telling me it cannot be free. You can maybe add a discount, maybe like really like a price very, very low, but it cannot be free. And that's that little debate I keep having with myself because me I've always wanted it to be free. So I still kind of want it to be free, but I do get where people are coming from. It cannot be free. Like that place. I got paid for it, the equipments I got paid for them, et cetera, et cetera. But I just don't want people to have that excuse saying add money to go work out. That's. That's why I don't want, I used to use that. Excuse. All the time in a lot of people have it. They use it that, that excuse, and I don't want them to use that excuse to say it's too expensive to go to the gym. So that's why I wanted it. I want it to be free, but. I get it. I was, the bills got paid. So and right now I'm not ready for that yet. a lot of times friends people that I know they come here and if they are interested, that's another thing. I don't want to force anything on anybody. If you're interested, you come to me while I'm more than happy to show you what worked for. It might not work for you. I'll tell you that in advance, it might not work for you, but we'll try to figure out what's going to work for you. We all different, we all need different type of environment. Some people need warm. Some people need a lot of water or the people don't need water. Like in me, I didn't need any, I didn't need someone to tell me work at work. I just want it to work out. It just came, I guess, naturally. But well, I, I shouldn't say naturally because when I was a kid, I used to see my cousins workout and not, I was nine years old and I wanted to work out with them. They were like 15, 16. That's why, why I'm not too tall. I'm short. Like I did too much. I lived too much weight back then at nine year old. But anyways I don't want people to use, to find excuses any excuse you can give me. I want to like find that, get that excused. Throwing the trash. You don't have money. Okay. Try it. It's three. You do have a, I don't know, like any excuse people want to throw at me. as I said, me personally, I know I'm very good at finding excuses and excuses on not going to get the work done. You can find a thousand, a thousand million excuses not to do something, but try to find that one reason to do it. And you're going to see everything change. So that's what, that's why I wanted to open the gym. And it's not just the gym, the working out part. I want people to feel. To feel safe and not just working out, but to feel safe in a sense to feel free, like whether it's working out or whether it's making beats, being whatever you, not too good at feel free to bring, come here. Uh, Well, when now the gym, or when you have it, maybe it's going to be you. I'm just going to help you out with that. Just wants you to have whatever it is you want. You're not good at all. You want to do whatever goal you set for yourself, whether it's professional goals or personal goals, whatever it is, working out goals, et cetera, et cetera. I wanna be able to be there and help you find that little detail that you missing that little comma or that little period or that exclamation mark, whatever it is that you need. I wanna help you find that out and then just set you free and then you're going to go out and do big, big gangs. And one thing I usually say is that me personally, the reason I'm here is because many people opened doors for me, and now I want to open doors for others. I want to like open doors and, encourage you to be what you want to be. And then once you get. The only thing I'm asking from you do not forget all the people around you that need that helping hand. I want you to get there. You are that door that needs to be open for others. So. Once again, people open doors for me. Now I'm here. I don't wanna be selfish and enjoy all the AC for myself inside. I wanna even if a little crack in the window, I want to open it and say, come in or open doors and come in and be free. That's, that's something I want to do. And that's not just, as I said, not just working out. I personally I like music. I'm not the best, the most talented musician, but I know one thing for sure. If I keep working on my, that little skills that I have few, if I keep pushing up, it's going to be there. It's going to be there. He's going to be there. And one day maybe I might blow up. You never know. You might hear me on the radio. so yeah, that's it. In fact, so what it can be in a in art or it can be working out. I want to have that space where people feel safe to come and develop and grow. So that that's about it. That's the final sentence. Go ahead. That's great, man. I mean, I also get very excited about certain pieces of technology, but it boils down to the same thing too. I think I can leverage technology and use it, but for the same reasons, man, I want to create a place where people go and improve themselves. And I feel like school is supposed to be that sometimes church is supposed to be that, and gyms can be that, but Yeah, we don't have enough of those places. We don't have enough community building and, and areas where people really feel comfortable to go grow as a person and be encouraged. And, and, you know some of the, some of the best times of my life have been in places like soccer camps and, and, and organize athletics and, fitness related commute, like, you know, I go to the gym and I work out on my own, but to think of you as a coach and stuff, you know, that I I've been kind of yearning for an athletic team or something to join, because I haven't had that in a while. And, and that's really where true. I feel like growth occurs is when you are. Pushing yourself in the face of a physical challenge then you're growing, you know, mentally, spiritually communally, all of that. When you're, pushing yourself to overcome some sort of physical goal it just helps you in every corner of your life. Right? It's, it's just tremendously transformative. Yeah, for sure. For sure. And, and we're people are too addicted to their phones and to video games and, and you know what I'm saying, and to working and, and there's, you know, there's too many things that are grabbing our attention these days, and it's too easy to, to ignore your fitness and to ignore these things. So I. I don't know, man, I relate. So obviously I want to open a gym too. So I just relate so heavily to everything you just put out there, man. That is one of the best goals you can have. It's such pure good intention that something good is going to come of it, man. Even just saying that on this podcast, I think it's going to change people's lives just to hear it. I mean, I don't even get that many views or listens, but the people that listen to this and the people who make it all the way here, they're, you know, it, they're going to feel inspired. They're going to feel like they're going to question their own goals. Why do I just want to make money? You know what I'm saying? Why don't I want to change the world? Like wheezy? You know? I mean, it's powerful stuff you're saying, you know? Yeah. But, but the thing is, I mean, I get that money mix thing happened if I had, if I had the money, my owl I've already had the gym, but unfortunately I don't have that money and I want them to be able to be I don't want to sound greedy or arrogant at all. But I wanna be free financially to be able to help as much as I want to help. I have that big, like wah, wah, I want to help, but I feel like I, I'm still a slavery of having to pay, well, I do gotta pay bills, which is normal, but I do want to be able to do more of the money that come in and I want to help people. And obviously if I was making more money, as I said, I will probably be out or we have the gym and we probably could have had the. More things for sure. Wish money. I'm sure that might cost money. That headset costs money. But at the end of the day, it's not the money that we, we want to chase. it's helping others and that there's a greater benefit to it, to it's not just being rich saying, oh, you're rich. But knowing that you help people that's that I think that's more than being rich. And you don't need to be rich to help people with your podcast. Just starting it with, even though if it's a, even if it's two, three listeners, I'm sure someone will take something out of it and go out and be inspired and maybe. It may even be rich with it. And if you want, but just the fact that you inspired someone, I think that's, a good thing. So keep at it, man. Keep inspiring people. You will actually I don't know if I mentioned that before you have inspired me. I've saw something in you back in back at GMU. And I see that little light. Just keep it, let it, let it shine as they say keep, keep how do I say that? Right, but keep putting, keep feeling it, keep putting gas, a little gas, little, whatever you need to, to, to make that little fire, that little parks to make you grow a bigger, keep, keep feeding it. Keep, well obviously with positivity and. Those critics you're going to hear, as I said earlier, analyze it. I, someone let's say, say that didn't like your voice. Maybe it's the mic. Get a better mic. As you told me earlier, make sure you have a good mind. I could said, oh your watch saying like, my mic is not good for you, but no, it's find that positivity in those critics, in those negative things. And just keep, keep feeding that lion in you or the good line. As you know, in, in all of us there, like two lines fighting each other, the good one and the bad one. And some people call it the ying yang. The line you feed more. If it's the good one, then that's the one that's going to be more powerful and eat the bad one. But if you keep feeding the bad one, whether it's with what you watching, if you keep watching dramas on TV, keep watching those desperate. Ha I don't know if it's desperate Haskell, but those dramas TV shows. Yeah. You'll, you'll tell you you'll tend to Being like them, because that's what you see. That's what you feeding yourself. Even unconsciously. You're going to start being like them. even without knowing it, but watch those positive things. let's say you can even listen to a podcast. See what did he do well, or what did he did not do? Well, one thing I had thought one of my kids is no two ways to learn from someone. You can see that person do something really good that everybody enjoy, or like, we'll learn from that saying, okay, I'm going to do that good thing to or the other way to learn from that person. You see them do something terrible or variable. Okay, tell yourself I'm not going to do that thing. So that's two ways to learn from someone And what, what was I saying? Oh yeah. Keep feeding, positivity, keep feeding. What's good. Keep watching or listening the good stuff and those things at the end of the day, even when you sleeping, it might, it might do a big bang while you're sleeping. I don't know about you. I've had many times when I sleep, let's say I have something in my head. That's bothering me. well, I, I pray on it and I go to sleep and a lot of times our cup of the answer and it's like the big bang while I was asleep. And I remember back at JMU, I was working on a, on a PA programming. Assignment and there is a, an, I use that term a lot colon or semi-colon because what I was writing, there is a little error, simple error as a semi-colon, as you know, in a programming assignment can throw off completely that thing. Well, my problem was a greater sign, you know, there's a greater sign and then there's a less sign. Well, I got those two mixed up. And so I put in a greater sign. I put the other one, or I don't remember if it's the versa and, and I couldn't get the result. And I read the whole code from top to bottom, I couldn't find it. I was like, okay, I'm going to leave that. I'm going to go home. I'm going to sleep on it. As I say, and then while I was asleep, I was like, that's it that's that thing, you know, they look similar, right? They look very similar. When, when you reading, you just see it, you know, sometimes you don't pay attention to that little detail, but the detail that's where it's at, man. That's. Whoa, you gotta focus on the good details though. So when I was asleep, I woke up, I was like, okay, that's it. And then the next day I did it. And then that solved my problem. one of the reasons I named this, the drive program instead of the drive podcasts, you know, there's several, I haven't talked about this in a minute, but I like to talk about computer programming because of my app, right? Yeah. I also like to talk about fitness programming, right? I also like the name of a show, you know, they used to call it like a program back in the day, like a TV show. This is kind of like a TV show, but also I want this to be like the code that when someone listens to it, right, this is like, I want these conversations to be the perfect frequency of, of you listen to it. And it inspires you and educates you and motivates you to be the best version of yourself. Right. Yeah, I'm, I'm constantly trying to like have these conversations. They get someone to share what, and usually just talking about what you're passionate about is the best thing someone hears that, and it's just the best thing for them. Right. and it's. The perfect thing for their brain. Like you said, it's, it's not reality TV. It's not a horror movie. It's not rap with cousin. It, you know, or, or, you know, like, it's not like it's, it's, it's not just positive either, but it cause it's some reality. Right? We talked about some hardships that you went through too, but it's, it's, it's it's reality and it's the, the right frequency to make someone go, no, I want to change. I want to be better. I want to, I'm want to be the best version of myself that I can be. I want to be more like wheezy. I want to be more like Tom I'm feeling inspired. I'm feeling like. It is positivity. It is confidence. It is just a dose of, of you can do it and, and, the type of words that we're saying right now, they're the right frequency for people to digest and, and to live their best. That's what I believe to live their best life. I think I hope. And that's what I hope. So at least, you know, well, I mean, that's what it is. And as I said before, keep at it, man. I'm proud of you. I'm very, very, very proud of you back. And I, I don't want to say I'm jealous of you, but I want to be more like you I wanna put myself out there. And a lot of times I even tell myself my voice is weird. My voice has too much highs. All those excuses, as I told you, I'm good at finding excuses not to do things, but the thing is. I just have to count on three and go on to, and just do it. And I'm sure that's what you did. You could have found all kinds of excuses or I don't have a mic. I know I've decided no that et cetera, et cetera, but you did it. And then as you go along and you just keep, keep growing and keep learning and those things, those people listening whether it's a. Tomorrow or whenever. I'm sure you're going to have more people listening and it's a process. Just enjoy yourself throughout the process. Today might be five, five people, 10 people. Now, one day maybe next year might be 500 people and just, don't see just the number though. See, see the quality in what you're doing. It's not just the quantity. As they say the quality, also a lot of people do. To just to say whatever or anything that will get them likes or numbers, but that's not what it should be about what it should be about your true values, why you started that, why you want to do that. And as I said before, I'm proud of you. I want to be a little bit more like you. as I told you, before I take a via message messenger, I want you to teach me a few things so I can myself grow and, and be more like you. And I'm still gonna try to figure it out. Exactly how I'm going to do it, but I got to start somewhere. And as I go along, maybe you'll probably coach me more and give me more advice. You're coaching me right now, dude, you're doing like this. This is it. You're having a conversation. We're going to put this out there and people are gonna, you know, you're doing it, bro. This is, this is it. This is I mean, maybe this will be transformative in your life, but I think you you've already, I've seen you on Facebook. You've already been in the process of it. And maybe this is just the, the fire to ignite the big can of gas that you're already holding. But I think that this conversation is going to mean a lot to people. I think that you, you must've meditated on this before, so I want to do something like this and now, boom, you're here with me doing it because yeah, like tonight, I think this was important then for you to get all this out there. Cause you had a lot of, a lot of things to share a lot of wisdom. And I learned a lot. I'm sorry if I didn't coach you, but that's the way the interview works, you know, but I got a lot out of it and people I, people are going to get a lot of that out of this. Well, I hope so I'm in for sure. Allow people have told me I should write a book. I should do this. I should do that. But as I said, when the time is right, I'm gonna do it.