Cornel West On Hatred, Media Blind Spots, And Loving Black People

Hate doesn’t just show up as slurs or violence. It also shows up as silence, as selective outrage, and as a politics that treats some people as disposable. That’s why we open with love, not as a slogan, but as a discipline and a lens. Cornel West joins us to name the breadth of contempt aimed at Black people, remember the Buffalo massacre, and ask what it means to stay grounded when ugly forces want to drag us into fear and cynicism. 

We also challenge the corporate media frame, including what gets left out when outlets track “democratic erosion” but rarely center mass incarceration, police brutality, and Black child poverty. From there we build our own way of measuring democracy: start with the least protected and most vulnerable, then follow the money, the policies, and the moral compromises. That lens leads straight into a candid critique of leadership and a defense of accountability rooted in care, summed up in three words we live by: respect, protect, correct. 

The conversation widens to moral consistency across borders, including campus protests, repression, and the demand to oppose anti-Semitism and anti-Palestinian racism without double standards. We talk about courage when the cost is real, and we end by confronting indifference, the quiet permission structure that lets injustice spread. If you want a podcast that blends Black politics, democracy, media criticism, and spiritual clarity, press play, then subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the conversation.

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 2:40

It's I Sweet Jasper, I Sweet Caravan of Love. It is Thursday, which means at the top of the second hour. Cornel West is always with us, except when he's traveling. Matter of fact, I was uh I was in the boxing gym last night, Dr. West. Uh, and uh Terry and a couple other folks said to me, uh, Dr. West's been missing for a few weeks. I said, he asked me. So I want you to know, these Negroes are tracking you when you ain't here, man. They are tracking you when you're fucking out of here. I said, yeah, Terry. I said, but you'll be on tomorrow. You'll be on tomorrow. So I'm grabbed Dr. West is here. As he typically is every Monday and Thursday. Uh, and he chooses his own walk-on song, and I love that track, uh, Caravana Love. Give me a little bit more, Miles. Give me a little bit more of that. As we know, Dr. West chooses once again his walk-on music every Monday and Thursday. And uh, sounds like you're not you're you know, you know, you're in a love frame today, Doc, but it sounds like to me.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

Well, I tell you though, brother, given all of this hatred coming at us, we had to be very clear about the scope and the breadth and the depth of the hate to the black people being manifest, the contempt for black people being manifest. We've got to keep our priority on the love. We've got to keep our priority on loving ourselves, loving black people, loving oppressed people so that we don't get caught or devil by these very ugly, ugly forces that are coming at us. Now, I want to begin by saluting Brother Terry. He got the best gym in the country. Not just because Fabric is there, but the veil is there, and Samir and other things. He just got the best gym for the last 20-something, something years. And he's got the love, and his daughter Renan has got the love. That's very important, though, but it's just like the nation that the great uh Rafa Logan talked about in the 1890s, that the only thing that's going to get us out of this is that we have to sustain the wind at our back. And that's love, that's courage, that's integrity. We heard it with Brother Leonard Pitts in the wonderful dialogue that you had with him, though. How do we sustain our sense of self-community and solidarity at a moment in which this hatred is coming at us so intensely, man?

Remembering Buffalo And Everyday Contempt

SPEAKER_06 5:28

Uh, it's coming at us intensely in real time. Uh, Leonard's point was, and you can also see it into the distance. Uh, and uh you can also see it obviously uh quite clearly in the past. And I want to just give you a chance to say a word about what happened four years ago today in Buffalo, uh, where these precious black souls were just massacred, ten of them. Uh others were injured. Um, but um that's the frame that we remain in, sadly. This contempt for black folk you were speaking of earlier, Doc. That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

And keep in mind, though, brother, that kind of raw, uncut murder is just the peak of the iceberg. I know you were talking about the New York Times keeping track of the erosion of democracy and so forth. And of course, my my response in regard to black people is the New York Times needs to check itself. When was the last time they had a major focus on mass incarceration? When was the last time they had a major focus on the chronic police brutality that's still taking place? When was the last time they had a focus on levels of poverty? 30% of black children live there probably in the richest nation in the history of the world. If the New York Times ain't said nothing about it, then you detract themselves. Don't tell me what the 12 tendencies and forces are. You can't say a mumbling word about your own racism. You feel me? That's why I love Dr.

Calling Out Corporate Media Blind Spots

Tracking Democratic Erosion From Below

SPEAKER_06 6:53

West. He called keep it real every time. Uh, and and and there there is this notion uh uh that uh that the mainstream media, as again, I I prefer to call it the corporate media, has a real problem checking itself. Um checking itself. I and I'm gonna say this it's gonna get me in a little trouble, uh, but not the first or last time. So that's all right. Yeah, bring right breaking. We got G. And I'm gonna need I'm gonna needy matter this comment. But I I found myself I found myself saying to somebody the other day that the New York Times can be so slick, and I still want to talk about democratic erosion, not through their lens. That's Doc's point. I ain't got we ain't got to go through their lens, uh, their their 12-point frame. We're gonna look at democratic erosion when we come forward here in a moment through our lens, through a through a west and lens, if I can put it that way. That's what the love does. The love gives you your own lens. That's right. That's it. So we'll look at it through a western lens here in just a second. But the point I was about to make was that everybody was talking weeks ago. I didn't spend much time, I didn't spend any time, frankly, talking about it. I think Connie Rice made a comment about it one day. Um but whatever your thoughts are about the story that the New York Times uh uh wrote about Cesar Chavez, um, that thing was trending everywhere. Um I think it's finally died down a bit, but they went in on Cesar Chavez uh and as a result, uh sooner than right now and quicker than at once, they took his name off of everything. Now you got a president who's a convicted felon in the White House right now, and uh he's uh continuing with business as usual or business unusual, because that's how he shows up. Um he's continuing to run his playbook. A convicted felon in the White House. But as I said, sooner than right now, and quicker than that, once they took Cezar Shabbat's name off everything. You will never convince me that that doesn't have something to do with the fact that he's a brown man. I'm gonna leave that alone. As my big mama said, we're gonna leave that leg where the good Lord done flung it. He's a brown man, and that's why they went in on him so quickly. And that's not to condone anything, don't get it twisted. It's not to condone anything that Cesar Xavier was alleged to have done. That's not the point. My point is he's a brown man, and that's why they went in on him so fast and so quick and in a hurry. But to the New York Times, the point I'm pushing toward, is that go back and look at who wrote that story. That's what Dr. West taught me years ago as one of his students. Read what's not being said, read what's between the lines, and read who wrote the story. There were Hispanic, Latino, Chicano reporters who wrote that story for the New York Times. See, that's how slick, that's how slick they are, man. So they to Doc's point, they know what they're doing, they know what they're not doing, they need to check themselves. But you push this story out, but you got these brown reporters who you hiding behind who you convince or pay to write the story. It's a whole other conversation I ain't got time to get into, but we do have a critique of the New York Times and corporate media writ large. Uh, this conversation continues with Dr. Cornel West when we come forward on Tabitz Monty. And Dr. Cornell West, who we are blessed uh to uh have on this program every uh Monday and Thursday, top of the second hour. And it is indeed a blessing because he gets us to see things that we otherwise might not see. Uh, and um always, always honored and humbled. Uh friends, we have been for uh almost 40 years, and yet I'm still uh uh honored and humbled to always be in dialogue and discourse with him. Um so, Doc, we were we were talking a moment ago, for those who may have just tuned in, about um this notion of democratic erosion and how we need to see it through our own lens. Now, the Times the New York Times has its own way of tracking this particular issue, and I'm I'm glad they're doing it. Um your critique notwithstanding yeah, your critique notwithstanding about what they what they ought what what what else they ought to be doing that they ain't doing. That's another conversation. But but but but I want to spend the rest of this time, uh, these next 15 minutes here looking at democratic erosion through our lens. Uh, and I wonder if I can uh pass the baton to you, just to ask you to set the frame. Um, set the frame for how we, through our own lens, ought to be tracking this notion in real time in Trump 2.0, this notion of democratic erosion. You set the frame and I'll I'll start my interrogation thereafter.

Respect Protect Correct And Loving Critique

SPEAKER_04 13:19

Well, I begin with the biblical notion that we should look at the world through the lens of belief disease, and that means when we look at America, we should begin with precious Junique, precious Jamal, Precious Jasmine in the hood. Now that's connected to our indigenous peoples on plantations, that's connected to our Spanish-speaking folk on barrios, that's connected to indigenous peoples dealing with reservations, but we begin with belief to be those who are most vulnerable, and therefore the issues of poverty, the issues of mass incarceration, the issues of decrepit schools, the issues of unavailable health care. When we look at the American system, we see what? Corruption. We see moral decrepitness, we see spiritual sickness. And this includes many of our black leaders and politicians. We must fight for the right to vote. But then we raise the question who are we voting for? What has the black hawkers done for the black mass? What have black elected officials done to fundamentally affect the levels of poverty and discrepancy schools and mass incarceration? Most of them, when they get in there, they don't talk about middle class. You and I couldn't get Obama to mention the word poverty. He couldn't mention mass incarceration until two weeks before the eight-year term. We're looking at the world from the limits of the least of these, not just how you negotiate, given the establishment and given corporate money, and given the lobbyists, and giving the benefactors that keep politicians alive. That's why Martin King said the society is sick, and that's why he said too much of black leadership is cowardly. They don't have enough love to raise their voices and accent the plank of belief to be. That's why we love Harriet Tuppert. That's why we love Malcolm X. That's why we left Fanny Lou Hammer. They did. We don't have enough of those right now.

Moral Consistency Across Global Racism

SPEAKER_06 15:39

Um, let me take you back a few years. Um, since you mentioned uh Obama, I mentioned earlier in the day's program that his uh library, his presidential center, whatever they're calling it, is set to open on Juneteenth in Chicago. Uh and so he's uh top of mind uh for for that uh and a couple other reasons. Uh but Dr. West uh invokes his name now in this conversation. Let me take you back a few years ago, Doc. So during the Obama era, uh uh people came at you and me uh uh uh pretty pretty aggressively um over our Obama critique uh during that particular period. Um it it got so rough on Dr. West and certainly yours truly that we uh we coined the phrase, I say we was really Dr. West, I just borrowed it from him as I often do. Um but just to explain in in short order what our Obama critique was about, we came up with three words. You recall these doc? Respect, protect, and co-ret. You remember that frame? That's right. That's exactly right. Respect protect and co-ret. We respect the president, we respect the brother. We will protect the brother from all these white supremacist attacks in DC. We were on Fox News many times, together and separately, defending Barack Obama against these white supremacist attacks. Negroes forgot about that part, they forgot about that part, but we were there defending him. So respect, protect, and correct. The brother ain't Jesus. He ain't right about everything. He don't walk on water. And when he's wrong, when he's wrong, we're gonna correct him. So that was our frame. Respect, protect, correct. Eventually, some Negroes got that, although it took him a while to get there. I ain't mad at you. But my point, the point in raising that is simply this there were some people in that moment, some black folk, who could not distinguish, could not make a distinction between our critique of Barack Obama and the rights, the political rights critique of Barack Obama. They couldn't understand that our critique, as we would say, was rooted in love. Uh, and so they couldn't make that distinction. I raise that now because when people hear you across the country right now, and when this thing is podcasted, and more people will hear it, and they hear your critique of black leadership, what is the difference between your critique of black leadership and what black conservatives or others would say about black leadership? Because whenever they want to go in on us, they point to black leaders leading major cities and all the crime and all the miseducation. So they have their critique of black leaders. How does that differ from your critique that we just heard now of black leaders? Does that make sense to you? That makes a whole lot of sense. But if people can't tell the difference, but they can't.

Paying The Price For Solidarity

SPEAKER_04 18:17

That's the point. We learned that we learned that years ago. We got a problem. We got a problem. We got a deep problem because people think it they don't want to hear critique of any kind. That's right. And we say we'll never hold our voices. The anthem of our people that lifts every voice will never hold our voices when it comes to issues of morality and spirituality. If you're dropping drones in Somalia and you're killing innocent Africans, you're wrong. If you're not saying a word about poverty, you're not putting a smile on Martin's face. If you're not telling the truth about corporate America, if you're bailing out Wall Street and allowing Main Street to go under, we will speak in the name of Martin King and Sandy Lou Hema and the best of our traditions. That's our voice. That's what respect, correct, and protect is all about. That's what the caravan of love is all about. And we're unapologetic about that. And we have to check ourselves too. Absolutely. And we have been checked on many occasions. Oh Lord, all the folk coming at us too tonight. We learn, we listen, but we will stand steadfast. And we're not gonna be pushed around by folks who just call us names, though, bro. And it's it's a matter of just morality, man. It just extends to everybody. You know, the genocide God is really about anti-Palestinian racism. We're against anti-Jewish hatred, we're against anti-Palestinian hatred, we're against anti-Ethiopian hatred, we're against anti-Hastian hatred. That's not both sides at all. They're taking a moral and a spiritual stand and being consistent and having a solidarity with oppressed people. And this is fundamental. We're just talking to my beloved Anahita about this in terms of the uh treatment of the Iranian folk. We can be critical of the gangsters in Washington, D.C. with their talking points, critical of the gangsters who are executing everyday Irani, critical of the gangsters in Tel Aviv who are still perpetrating genocide against Palestinians. That's a moral consistency. We're putting a smile on Harriet Tuffman's face, brother. That's a high standard.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

No, it is indeed. Uh, I should mention it's kind of funny. Uh, we have an Anahita coming up after Dr. West, but not the Anahita he's talking about.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

But spell with just one end. That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_06 20:54

She only uses one end. Your precious your precious bride uses two ends. Uh, but this Anahita uses one end. She is doctor, and and his wife is a doctor as well. Uh, she's a medical doctor, though. This is Dr. Anahita Dua uh is coming up uh after Dr. West. But I I got six more minutes. I ain't done with him yet. Um let me let me let me just say this because I'm I'm thinking as you're talking about what I experienced on Monday, and you know this. And um you were you were in PhD finals, people defending their dissertations. So you couldn't make it. Uh, you were missed, but Monday, I was uh, as the audience knows, I was away. I don't often say to people uh where I am. One, that ain't none of your business, but number two, number two, I don't want to be tracked that I don't want to be tracked that way. Uh but I will tell I will tell you now that I'm back, uh, that I was away on Monday because Monday was the 93rd birthday of the brother minister. Uh and I was invited to be part of a grand celebration with a lot of other people uh for his 93rd NATO day in uh Chicago, just outside of Chicago. Uh and I'm I'm still processing um what he had to say that day on his 93rd birthday. And so much of what uh that I've I've been I've been thinking about Doc dovetails nicely what you're talking about in this in this conversation, which is this notion of what it means to love your people and the suffering and the pushback and the hate uh that you are going to get uh for being in solidarity with the least of these, to quote you. And so I could I could ask you, as I thought to ask, not out of naivete, but I thought to ask just to give you some more room to to uh why it is uh so difficult, again, no naivety here, why it is so difficult for people to talk about democratic erosion and to look at that or any or any number of other issues from the lens, from the perspective of the least of these. That's what you've laid out so brilliantly here. Of course, I know the answer to that question already, but part of it is uh not disconnected from uh the hate that you catch, uh the crucifixion that you're gonna encounter for being so deeply, so madly, so unapologetically in love with black people. And the brother minister laid on that on Monday, and here you come today, uh laying on it in a different sort of way. But these things are just um I'm I'm I'm processing this, but that I think that's the answer, though. That the reason why we don't process um uh democratic erosion or any other issue, as I mentioned a moment ago, through the lens of the least of these, is that to be in love with black people means you're gonna catch it, Doc. Oh, no doubt about it.

Why History And Music Keep Us

SPEAKER_04 23:38

No doubt about it, though, brother. It's gonna take a whole lot of consistency, courage, and perseverance. And that includes the very folk you disagree with. I have a deep love of Mr. Lord Sarah Khan. It gets me in trouble. They say it's highly controversial. And I say what the disagreements I have with my brother, the love is deeper than the disagreements. So the disagreements can be dealt with worked through, but at the same time, you will find us raising the voices that focus on belief of these in the black community, with regardless of whatever ideology, strategy, analysis that we might disagree on. And this is something that it means you just have to be able to willing to pay that cost to be misunderstood, misconstrued, lied on, character assassination or literal assassination. That's what love is. It requires treatment. And you do it with a tile and a tile because I was left because one and only Joyce Miley love coming and all of us. We know the love that Joyce Miley and weapons are important. And we don't exist without the love. And if you're getting marked with a legal highly critical of the world, black people in their own way. The black closer. But they haven't done that much for the black man. That's what we're talking about. That goes right back to Carrie's love and folk of all different colors of religion. Carrie's been shaped by the same tradition you and I have been shaped by. That's why he got that smile on his face and that joy in his soul, too, though, man.

SPEAKER_06 25:55

No, Brother Minister, um, he he he closed his remarks by essentially saying that uh 93. That's why it's fascinating to hear him, to look at him uh in his eyes that day. He had come to terms uh and have no regrets about his deep and abiding perennial love for black people. Never mind all that he had to endure as a result of that, or has had to endure, he's still here. Uh, but uh that he came to terms with that. And uh it it's it's gotten me thinking a lot uh about how we come to terms with whatever repercussions and consequences we suffer for being deeply and madly in love with our people, and that's why Dr. West started today with the caravan of love, perfect walk-on song for this conversation. Dr. West, love you, man. I'll talk to you soon. Stay strong.

SPEAKER_04 26:39

I love you, though, brother.

Campus Protests Free Speech And Trump

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Stay strong. Stay in line with what I said on the previous episode about heroes, etc. Which I tend not to have because humans and women's image are flawed, but for the lack of a better term, a hero of God for several years and a person that supported the president, etc. And one of the people from a community that we like to think of people that flowers when they're alive. So basically, I think well that's a little moment right now. It's gonna be a short show per se. But uh this is uh another this was about a minute and twenty-two seconds. Dr. Cornell is the party.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Wanna say this? A lot of us have critiques of the Democrat or Republican Party. Wanna say this for them, but may not know the history. How important it is for activists now in this generation to know the history, to even know where we're going. I mean, one is that the memory without the history, we're lost, we're ruthless.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

Uh, and our history is one of a people, a great black people, in the face of overwhelming hatred. For a hundred years, we've been dishing out love and taught the world so much about love. That's why our musicians are always the vanguard of our movements. You see, Coltrane Love Supreme and Tony Morrison Beloved and James Baldwin's Love Soak essays and Stevie Wonder's Love and Nade of Love. Those are not just songs, man. That comes from the depths of wrestling with wounds and bruises and scars and transfiguring those into a sound that could give people a sense of hope and a moment of being overwhelmingly hated. And that's what white supremacy does, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

We told it less beautiful, less moral, less intelligent, and then tell us that we ought to be intimidated, scared, and always fearful and laughing and ain't funny, and especially and put on the mask if we want to be successful.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

All those dumb bugs, and from all as well. Right, right? So here we got a tradition that says, wait a minute, what did Aaron Tupply say? What did they uh be well say?

SPEAKER_05 29:08

Campuses of the past protesting perspective on this. Uh so go over and uh bring in Cordell West, who's been, you know, out on these college campuses in the past, protesting himself. You've seen the video, we talked to you about it uh after it's happened. Uh respond to what you just heard from uh Amanda and also to the uh the president's pronouncement on social media.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

First, my dear brother Machine, uh racism is evil. I don't care if it's racism against Palestinians, racism against Jews, racism against Arabs, racism against black people, racism against white people. Racism is evil. And we have to be consistent. There has to be some moral and spiritual content to what we're talking about. Now to hear Trump, I mean, good God, Trump's gangsterism just out of control. He's just committed two war crimes in utterance saying he wants ethnic cleansing and he wants to take the land and turn it into Trump Gaza. Well, that's anti-Palestinian racism. He wouldn't say that about whites, he wouldn't say that about Jews. So that he's got to keep track of his own racism.

SPEAKER_05 30:09

Do you think some of these protests, oh, you've been out there, so you're there, they are climbing the fence. Do you think some of this has crossed the line, though? There has been too much anti-Semitism. I mean, there has been some anti-Semitism documented here.

Indifference As Spiritual Decay

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Every movement has certain xenophobic elements, and you have to be critical of that. And there's but the dominant voices within trying to keep track of a vision of genocide and ethnic cleansing and apartheid-like condition is one in which people are raising moral issues. That's why you have large numbers of Jewish brothers and sisters who are courageous enough to do that and voice Jewish voices for peace. But of course, there's been some anti-Jewish racism. And we say there is no patience for that, but then on the Zionist side. Are you dealing with the anti-Palestinian racism in your own movement when we're critical of Israeli policies? Are we always anti-Jewish and anti-Semitic? That's precisely the kind of hypocrisy we have to call into question and attempt to be morally and spiritually consistent and constant. And it's hard to do that in these trouble moments because you know his gangster sensibility makes it difficult.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

What's going to happen then? Are these protests going to continue, or someone like you guys, you wouldn't? I mean, I'm sure someone like you wouldn't be necessarily quote unquote scared off. You've been around a long time and doing this a long time, but it might for other people might not might see that and say, I don't want to go to jail, or someone is not from the country. And they might he's threatening to deport people.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Well, no, I can understand that. And I think that that's that's that's wrong. And I think Sister Berman is right in terms of her attempt to be libertarian and to defend the right of people, even when you disagree with them. But you have to have courage, though, brother. You have to be willing to pay a cost when you're bearing witness to truth and justice and love. And we're at a moment now where to be courageous means you end up going to jail, or you can end up actually being deported. And that's simply the time these are the times in which we've got to be. But you but you'll keep at it.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

Oh, I'm gonna keep at it until the day I die. Absolutely. It's good to see you again. I always enjoy talking to you. We look at both sides of every issue, and you're always a it's always a fascinating conversation, uh, at the very least. It's good to see you again. Uh at the very least, good to see you again. You too, Cornell West.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Um This will be the last clip that I play for the from Dr. West on uh this show. We got some other stuff queued up in the future of some blasphemous intellectual past type of things. I hope you guys enjoyed what you heard so far.

SPEAKER_03 32:54

That's what is that saying in 2024 when God far beyond election, far beyond politics.

SPEAKER_10 33:05

This question is whether enough of us will shatter the indifference.

Palestinian Lives And The Hypocrisy Test

SPEAKER_03 33:13

Great Rabbi Abraham Douglas used to say indifference to evil is more insidious than evil itself. How do you shatter indifference? How do you never balance this?

SPEAKER_02 33:29

I'm trying to school here in September, and I'm just giving away the heater.

SPEAKER_12 33:35

A university president give a speech that about protecting those students who feel offended when you engage in a profound routine of violence. When you go give a speech about the 12th university, I'm gonna do a free paper.

SPEAKER_08 33:57

I'm gonna do a free for a fucking wisdom. I'm gonna do a community so that you can get the city with the assuming and you're so blessed to be dying.

SPEAKER_10 34:28

I was rooming on moving nights, and I was engaged with the search.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Oftentimes it was difficult to help you find a room on campus. Where was the concern about the students who would be marginalized?

SPEAKER_11 34:47

Of course, people want to have the student be respected, of course we want to have the student to feel as if they can raise their voice.

SPEAKER_08 34:54

But the lessons of irritation, tied to the menacity and tied the criminality, the lies that conceal the crimes that become so overwhelming and hard for me to say, sooner or later the tickets gonna come home the roof. You're gonna read what you sooner or later, everybody can see what has been going on.

SPEAKER_11 35:21

All you gotta do is gave you a refund experiment. And say, what would be the response of the US Delta? What would be the response of organ media? What would be the response of our children?

SPEAKER_12 35:35

Sorry about 25 oppressors, Palestinian children or 45 official Palestinian government system by the IM.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

What if they were wild? What if they rarely killed 20,000 European babies? What do you think the US government responds would be?

SPEAKER_03 36:23

That's how set the society.

SPEAKER_08 36:31

Being killed, 20 hours by me. What do you think the US government response would be? Qualitatively different.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

We're here to say we believe that a Palestinian life has exactly the same day as it is today.

SPEAKER_11 36:53

We want to see the same forever. We want to see the same language in nation. We want to see the same policy. They would have called upon the deep fucking Israeli killing machine a long time ago.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

They would have talked about it in the occupation.

SPEAKER_11 37:09

It would even be talking far beyond the two-state solutions. We know a two-state solution being some Trump came and subordinated the Palestinian state.

SPEAKER_08 37:19

We want a context in which Palestinians can live lines of dignity, equality, safety, and security. What the hell is it trying to be?

SPEAKER_03 37:42

What the hell is it trying to be? And the complacency that lets me break the funny. One of the fundamental symptoms of spiritual decay as well. Massive cowardly.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

That was John Brown. That's the black people.

SPEAKER_11 39:32

What has to do with hatred? Yeah, the court of the Bino hatred is for the Mrs.

SPEAKER_04 39:46

Would you look at the magnificent leadership we are in Palestinian mothers? My God.

SPEAKER_10 40:05

That's the kind of determination we need. And let us be very honest about this.

SPEAKER_03 40:13

Every black person who must have the courage to tell the truth about the dangerous legacy of white supremacy ended up assassinated, incarcerated, rebuked, scorned, marginalized, and viciously attacked.

SPEAKER_04 40:29

So the repression is real, always been real. And it's simply a test of our love. But the only thing that brings the back of fear is love.

SPEAKER_11 40:40

The only thing that brings the back of power in it is encouraging rooted in a deep and profound commitment to the people who are being subjugated.

SPEAKER_10 40:53

So yeah, that A.

SPEAKER_08 41:42

Let us go and be free, bigger and will be free.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Palestine will be free from the river to the sea. May God have mercy on our souls for turning a blind eye to the suffering of these innocent people. In the name of Empire. Thank you for tuning in, and I'll see you on the next episode.