There’s a lot of noise in the preparedness world these days… hell, most days. You’ve got explosive round-table discussions arguing about size and power, muzzle velocity, hot rounds and penetrating kinetic energy. 45 over a 9 if you want stopping power. 308 instead of 5.56 cuz the 2.23, well it’s just too small… and never go on a scouting run without your 12 gauge.
Big calibers. Tactical setups. Chest rigs that scream… Fallujah, here we come. Everybody is talking about stopping power like they’re planning for world war Z.
And why not talk about such things? I mean we’re not at war. There’s no real-world imminent threat taking place.. We’re not going hungry. Three squares a day. Warm bed at night. Go anywhere, do anything… It’s easy to sit back and talk shop when life is good.
But when SHTF happens, and cities go dark, pantries go dry, and your loved ones are looking to you to get fed…well, the loudest rifle in the room, may not be the smartest one.
Enter… the 22LR. The Garden Gun, Pea Shooter, Pop-Gun, Plinker, the Tick-Licker, yeah, or my personal favorite… the ol’ TooToo.
The .22 doesn’t look impressive. It doesn’t flex for you on Instagram. It won’t punch your shoulder, rattle your teeth, or cause your ears to ring when it’s fired from a gun. What it will do however, is put protein in your belly, it will feed you. Quietly. Efficiently. Consistently.
As Preppers, we all know that every round of ammo you carry has its place in your kit. And that holds true for the humble 22LR.
It’s tiny, unimpressive, and well, sort of cute. But it's also underestimated and often overlooked as an essential tool when the grid goes down.
The 22 rifle is a lightweight tool that’s easy to transport, in some cases can hold upwards of 100 rounds of ammo, it’s great for training new shooters without fear, and reliable enough to keep working long after the noise of the world fades.
Tonight, we’re talking about the rifle that most people underestimate… and why that mistake could cost them when the grid goes down for good.
06:20.73
Keith
Yeah, but who i mean who pays attention to warning labels? There's like 50,000 things, whatever. you They cover their ass from A to Z, straight up.
06:25.37
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
06:27.98
Keith
That's what they do.
06:29.03
Jeremy
That's why I love those commercials.
06:29.24
Keith
It could do this. It could do that. it could hey we told you it could make your left arm fall off.
06:33.18
Jeremy
Right.
06:34.76
Keith
We told you it could happen.
06:35.12
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Those commercials where people are out there just enjoying life and then they start going through, like, what could happen. I love i love those commercials.
06:44.95
Keith
Yeah.
06:46.87
Jeremy
You know, it's like, hey –
06:47.60
Keith
Yeah.
06:48.60
Jeremy
This drug can fix your, you know, left pinky nail. However, you might develop diarrhea, AIDS, gonorrhea, syphilis, your eyeball may explode, you know, like all these different.
06:59.86
Keith
Yeah, and everything everything has ah ah so ah may have suicid caused through suicidal thoughts.
07:01.43
Jeremy
Yes.
07:07.32
Jeremy
Yeah.
07:07.58
Keith
I'm trying to have a hard time speaking today, but about ah but yeah. It's like, wait a minute, hold on.
07:11.10
Jeremy
Yeah. It's.
07:12.14
Keith
What what in it is going to make that happen? That's weird.
07:16.23
Jeremy
I'm just trying to fix my allergies, man.
07:17.82
Keith
Can you leave that part of it out? That's crazy, man.
07:22.52
Jeremy
I'm like, yeah, when you're cooking this pill, can you leave out all the other bullshit and just make me not sneeze with pollen? Like, how do we do that?
07:29.68
Keith
uh-huh
07:31.45
Jeremy
You know, I mean, you can't even take anything these days without it having, you know, acetaminophen, which is Tylenol.
07:31.58
Keith
oh
07:37.34
Jeremy
that Everything has acetaminophen in it now. So it's, yeah, yeah. And i I, for many years, you know, the army, The military in general, the VA, they just dump pills in you. They're just like, here, take this, take this, take this.
07:52.76
Jeremy
And i did that for a long time. And I was like, this sucks. You know, like, I mean, some of the stuff that I've been given over the years is pretty hardcore. And i I barely take anything now. And I mean, literally anything.
08:09.69
Jeremy
Um, I think I took a couple of a leave yesterday and that's only because I know that I've been overusing my left knee because of my, my surgery or my right foot.
08:20.22
Jeremy
So yeah, it's, you know, drugs are drugs are drugs, I guess.
08:26.39
Keith
So is that all you had to say about Valentine's Day?
08:29.60
Jeremy
Well, Jesus, man, we got down on the path of drugs. um
08:31.96
Keith
you wanted You went off on a tangent.
08:35.83
Jeremy
Again, time. um
08:38.01
Keith
Yeah,
08:38.55
Jeremy
I mean, there's a whole bunch of different things that you can do regarding that time. If you wanted to actually get somebody an actual physical gift, um That video that I made the other day of the the starter kit or the fire kit from, yeah, you could get something like that super, super easy.
08:53.69
Keith
yeah it was cool stuff, yeah.
08:58.54
Jeremy
You guys could sit down and make bug out bags together, um go camping. you know you could ah You could do a whole lot of different stuff. um
09:06.36
Keith
first First aid classes. They got them everywhere.
09:08.31
Jeremy
Oh, yeah.
09:09.28
Keith
Everywhere they got them.
09:09.34
Jeremy
Yeah.
09:10.24
Keith
Some are actually free. You can go to like firehouses and they got stuff to do.
09:12.11
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I know that the Red Cross does a lot of different free stuff. um And, you know, again... it's It's kind of up to you in regards to your imagination.
09:26.14
Jeremy
And if you want to stick with the the normal casual stuff that people get for Valentine's chocolates and teddy bears and, you know, that kind of thing, that's fine, you know.
09:36.95
Keith
Mm-hmm.
09:37.34
Jeremy
um But, I mean, if you've got somebody who's interested in that kind of lifestyle, plan something together, you know. Let's... Let's do that, you know, or I mean, there's there's a million and one things that you could do. Go out to dinner and then park your car and, you know, try to bug out back to your house, you know, do a get home back to your house. Who knows? I don't I don't know. I mean, I'm terrible about Valentine's Day. Honestly, I just gave Missy.
10:04.09
Jeremy
I gave Missy her Valentine's chocolates downstairs earlier and she's eating and eating them almost all of them.
10:10.44
Keith
that's That's my problem is that if if I give chocolate, you better hide them because I'm going to eat them.
10:14.21
Jeremy
Oh yeah. She likes the Ferrero Rochers or however you pronounce that.
10:19.32
Keith
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:20.41
Jeremy
Yeah. It's the hazelnut ones. So, but yeah, that's, um, that's kind of what my thoughts are on Valentine's day. So
10:29.02
Keith
Well, then let's jump over to Tutu. Let's talk about it.
10:32.43
Jeremy
hell yeah. so the 22 rifle, well, I mean, a 22 long rifle.
10:34.14
Keith
we you got
10:38.15
Jeremy
It is literally the most popular gun around the entire globe. Um,
10:42.23
Keith
let's let's let's Let's go from a standpoint of we have listeners that know everything about the.22, and we have listeners who probably have no idea what you say when you say.22.
10:52.55
Jeremy
Okay.
10:52.64
Keith
So let's keep that in mind when we run through it.
10:54.74
Jeremy
Yeah. 22, there was a short rifle and a long rifle and they, they're,
11:00.66
Keith
Now, these are at this is bullets, not the gun.
11:03.70
Jeremy
Correct. Yeah. So the, the, the 22 cartridge itself, you have the 22 short rifle, which actually was developed 1857 by Smith and Wesson.
11:04.54
Keith
this is This is the bullet you're talking about. Right. Right.
11:12.94
Jeremy
And then you have the 22 long rifle, which was introduced in 1887. Uh, that was by the J. Steven arms and tool company. So when you're looking at a 22 now,
11:26.49
Jeremy
it is a
11:27.86
Keith
Did the short rifles go in the pistols?
11:30.20
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. so the short rifle was developed as a pistol cartridge initially. um And
11:36.69
Keith
Okay.
11:38.84
Jeremy
um it's it's always had sort of the same kind of features. It's always been a lead bullet, of course. um And then the for like the short rifle, it was designed for pocket revolvers, you know, the very small revolvers for self-defense.
11:53.24
Keith
Right. Yeah.
11:54.14
Jeremy
um But they became very, very popular one because they were, you know, inexpensive even back then. um And a lot of shooting back then, if you think you've seen some of the movies where um traveling circuses and, you know, side shows and speed, speed draw competitions and stuff like that made it a lot more popular.
12:16.89
Jeremy
um And then in 1890, Winchester developed a slide action rifle. um was designed by John Browning and um it kind of became the the the standard for the 22 short in a rifle configuration.
12:35.67
Keith
Was that the, ah when you say a slide hammer rifle, what are you talking about?
12:41.50
Jeremy
Um, so think of a lever, right? But instead of kind of like a lever gun, but not in the same action that you would see now.
12:44.73
Keith
like a Like a lever gun?
12:51.13
Jeremy
So think more like a sharps. If you, if you know, if you're familiar, familiar with a sharps rifle. Um, okay.
12:57.94
Keith
um I'm not, no. I mean, I can look it up real fast, but I'm not.
13:01.69
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, but that's, that's kind of, that's kind of what it is. It's, um, it's, it's kind of hard to describe without, you know, being able to show people physically. um But it it does have a lot of similarities to one of the models look a lot like a shotgun. How about that?
13:24.57
Jeremy
One of them looked a lot like a shotgun.
13:24.63
Keith
Okay.
13:26.29
Jeremy
It was a pump, right? And then the other one kind of resembled a lever action rifle that we know now. um But instead of a lever down, it was a cocking mechanism.
13:39.19
Jeremy
If that kind of... That's kind of what I, the best way I could tell you to picture, like picture it, like imagine it in your mind, you know, you familiar with the SKS?
13:50.39
Keith
yes
13:51.10
Jeremy
Okay. Picture that side view of an SKS. Okay. With the back receiver kind of sticking up. And then up underneath it, where it would see a lever gun now, it has a small cocking mechanism built into that handle.
14:09.50
Jeremy
So that's the best way I could tell you to kind of describe that. That's, that's my, that's my thought on that. But again, 22 short came out first and then afterwards the 22 long rifle came out. And I think that the main reason that the 22 long rifle was developed is because of how popular it became in a rifle configuration.
14:34.07
Jeremy
So that's, um, and they've been around, I mean, for forever, like super forever. Um,
14:42.78
Keith
Yeah, I was really surprised when I heard that a lot of the old cowboy guns from way back when were actually.22s.
14:49.78
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Yep.
14:50.32
Keith
I didn't know that. And I was like thinking you know i was thinking big, giant bullets. you know Because because the the old before that, when you when you had the muzzle-loading type guns, you had a.50 caliber ball.
15:04.41
Keith
you know So i I never thought that the cowboys would have gone down to a much smaller bullet like that. But yeah, a lot of them carried.22s.
15:11.54
Jeremy
Yeah, for the pistol. um
15:13.29
Keith
For the pistol. Yeah.
15:14.10
Jeremy
Yeah, and interestingly, so in the Olympics, there is a 25-meter rapid-fire pistol event, and there's a pistol event in general.
15:15.10
Keith
Hmm.
15:23.26
Jeremy
um And up until 2004, the.22 short was actually used for that event, and um it was replaced by the.22 long rifle in 2004.
15:37.77
Jeremy
So I thought that that was actually... Super interesting because I mean, it's 2026 now, but
15:41.59
Keith
m You don't hear much about the the short anymore. I mean, i know it's there, but you don't.
15:46.17
Jeremy
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15:47.46
Keith
And and there's also a 22 Magnum, which is very powerful.
15:49.86
Jeremy
yeah. Yeah.
15:50.90
Keith
But we're we're talking about the 22 LR long rifle round cartridge.
15:54.47
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the 22 Magnum itself is, I mean, 22 is a 22. It's a 22. But it's almost like thinking about the difference between a 223 and a 556.
16:06.33
Jeremy
ah Big difference is is it's a chambering thing. So the 223, which is literally just slightly larger than a regular 22 in the actual bullet itself, But of course the body and the casing and the amount of power behind it is different.
16:16.86
Keith
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
16:21.18
Jeremy
The same thing for the difference between a 22 short and 22 long and a 22 Magnum. So it's all about chambering pressure and the velocity leaving the actual barrel based off of how much charge is provided in that. um And interestingly also um up until like 1887-ish, 1871 1887. used use black powder in
16:52.34
Jeremy
um they used to use black powder in twenty two s And then it transitioned into smokeless powder in the late 1800s, early 1900s. And it enhanced performance, but also if you've ever done anything with black powder guns, man, it's like, it's just, it's a lot of smoke. It's a lot of big boom and you can't see, right? Once the thing leaves the the chamber because it's just this giant cloud of smoke.
17:17.64
Keith
It's like popping smoke.
17:19.08
Jeremy
Yeah, like literally, and it stinks, you know, but so they transitioned to smokeless gunpowder. And then around the 1930s, Remington started to introduce a higher velocity.22 long rifle.
17:36.18
Jeremy
And then around 1975, I'm sure you've heard of the company CCI. They, you know, they're a huge manufacturer of 22.
17:40.82
Keith
Mm-hmm.
17:43.69
Jeremy
They introduced the Stinger and that basically started the hypervelocity era of the 22 long rifle. So just like all sort of companies competing against each other, then it became a game of ah who can create the fastest, strongest, you know, most powerful. But the thing is, is that at the end of the day, it's still a.22 long rifle.
18:07.86
Jeremy
You know what i mean? So unlike a lot of other, you know, bullets, you know, you look at a bullet, you turn it over on the boat tail and you actually see, you know, ah a primer, right? That's a centerfire rifle.
18:20.57
Jeremy
The.22 rimfire rifle. So it percusses in the back and it has a flat base and it hits that. That's actually what initiates the charge and the powder on the inside and then sends the projectile forward.
18:38.61
Jeremy
So it does not have a actual primer primer on the butt end of it.
18:42.77
Keith
primer.
18:45.78
Jeremy
So...
18:45.98
Keith
Now, isn't that the reason why you can't refurbish the the brass from 22?
18:51.16
Jeremy
Yeah, that's one of the many reasons. the the The brass itself is not as strong as a lot of your regular bullets that you see.
19:00.57
Keith
yeah it deforms.
19:02.04
Jeremy
It deforms quickly because they have to, they have to be small. They're super thin. They're, they're, I won't, I don't know if I would say they're fragile per se, but like I own um several different 22s, but I like CCI a lot.
19:07.03
Keith
Mm-hmm.
19:19.19
Jeremy
Like i Most of my 22 guns feed almost exclusively on CCI bullets. And that's because of the quality.
19:30.14
Jeremy
And a lot of people will contest like what you can use a 22 for. I, love 22. i fucking love the twenty two It's so good. it's like
19:38.90
Keith
Oh, me too. Me too.
19:40.06
Jeremy
And it's like, I don't know what the right words are, but the if you had to have one thing, and I know there's a lot of, we've had this debate before as well. If you could only pick one thing, I think um the majority of people who live this lifestyle would say, if I could only pick one, it would be a 22.
20:01.75
Jeremy
Like it would be a 22 long rifle.
20:03.70
Keith
I agree.
20:03.77
Jeremy
So yeah.
20:04.73
Keith
Yeah. If you could only pick one.
20:05.61
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it also depends on variety, but if you think about it, there's so much 22 out there and it's not just that you need it for your own survival. If you think about this, I mean, cause we talked about this in the last episode about barter items, 22 long rifle is gold when, you know, there's a serious of ah enough of a situation. It is literal gold.
20:33.37
Jeremy
I mean, if you made your,
20:35.64
Keith
Most people that most shooters have by multiple firearms have at least one 22. Ruger.
20:41.50
Jeremy
At least one. At least one. Yeah. Yeah. I have 22 long rifle. I have ah a ten twenty two And, yeah, got to be a Ruger.
20:50.24
Keith
ruger
20:52.98
Jeremy
And it is the backpack takedown model. um And I've put up some – oh, I love it.
20:58.40
Keith
that's That's a proper special.
21:00.97
Jeremy
Dude, I love it so much. I mean, it's –
21:03.53
Keith
I've never even had i never even held one, but I've seen them. They're very cool looking. I've seen them on you know videos.
21:08.31
Jeremy
Yeah, I mean, I posted the pictures of mine before. um And when I get it back from the factory, I will probably put up some videos of me actually shooting it. um But I also have a Walther P-22.
21:22.14
Jeremy
And in my my kit, that is, you know, if I'm going to, I have a special guest in my room now. Um, if I am going to be carrying my 10 22, I'm also going to be carrying Walther P 22.
21:37.82
Jeremy
I'm sorry.
21:40.54
Keith
Who is that?
21:43.64
Keith
that a human or is that a dog?
21:44.89
Jeremy
No,
21:47.64
Keith
I think we lost Jeremy.
21:50.84
Jeremy
no, hold on.
21:51.86
Keith
Jeremy's back.
21:57.21
Jeremy
So, uh, Have you ever met a needy child? Yeah. Well, this one is, he's well over a hundred pounds. He's got four legs and apparently he's lonely right now. So he's gonna, he's gonna be joining us and hopefully he doesn't do his stupid barking episode.
22:17.69
Jeremy
So, um, yeah,
22:18.91
Keith
Right.
22:20.79
Jeremy
And it's funny because i had, ah since I don't have all of my soundproofing up yet, I had a blanket draped over me and apparently that was upsetting him. So he had to come in and and rescue me from the evil blanket.
22:35.29
Jeremy
So, yeah. um So, ah if I'm going to be carrying my ten twenty two um as a truck gun, or if I'm out in the range, or if I'm doing something, I'm going to have my Walther P-22.
22:48.94
Jeremy
That way, I'm not having to, you know, go between ammunition and different types of guns. I can...
22:56.46
Keith
And it's a handgun.
22:57.50
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. so think of, like, James Bond pistol. So...
23:02.17
Keith
Yeah, I know the Walther. Yeah, it's great.
23:03.51
Jeremy
Oh yeah. um So the Walther is good. There's a whole bunch of different, you know, 22 pistols out there. um I can't remember. I want to say it was somebody that we rode with at the time and Missy kind of did a barter with them and she ended up with the pistol, but I love it so much. I, I like to carry it. It's small, it's compact. It's really good for concealed carry.
23:29.27
Jeremy
And again, we go back to the argument of the effectiveness of 22 22 long rifle hollow points can be devastating if your shot placement is right, if your volume of fire is right.
23:44.44
Jeremy
And despite what many people say, i think my gun is actually super accurate. It really is. I'm not trying to make a 50 yard shot with it. I'm not doing that. But i feel comfortable between 25 and 30 yards that it's going to do some serious damage.
24:00.28
Jeremy
You know?
24:01.21
Keith
Yeah, with ah with a handgun chambering a.22, yeah.
24:02.90
Jeremy
Right. Right.
24:04.16
Keith
Mm-hmm.
24:05.24
Jeremy
Now my rifle, I'm confident.
24:10.20
Jeremy
I don't want to overestimate myself, but with my shooting skill, my 22 long rifle, I am comfortable probably too close to 75 yards for a small game.
24:22.91
Keith
Mm-hmm.
24:22.94
Jeremy
But that's with a significant amount of practice. Uh, my, uh,
24:28.06
Keith
And a good scope.
24:29.72
Jeremy
Yeah. And I use a red dot on mine. I actually use a Sig Romeo red dot on mine. And um I've been squirrel hunting with it, small game hunting with it.
24:36.27
Keith
Oh,
24:40.63
Jeremy
Everything that I've ever shot dies. So I feel pretty confident in my own setup. And, you know, again, i have probably somewhat of an advantage having been in the military and been to certain schools to learn how to shoot even better. But I mean,
24:57.61
Jeremy
Would I go beyond that? I don't know. i don't know that I would. i mean, I could, but I don't know how effective it would be.
25:03.77
Keith
that Rhonda's got a Marlin 60 and ah it is just gorgeous. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's almost, it's a stainless steel. So it's beautiful looking, but, and it has a, it's got a a halfway decent scope on it, but it'll make a novice look like a, like a sharpshooter.
25:14.68
Jeremy
Yeah.
25:22.83
Keith
I mean, at a hundred yards, you're plinking six, six inch ah targets.
25:23.73
Jeremy
Yeah.
25:27.51
Keith
No problem. I mean, no problem at all. It is very powerful. Gets, it gets the round there super fast. Really, really nice.
25:36.05
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And again, a lot of that also has to do with ammunition. The CCI stinger um is really, really good round.
25:41.43
Keith
True.
25:44.57
Jeremy
um
25:45.37
Keith
I don't have the Stinger. i use I have CCI. I don't think it's a Stinger. I don't think it says that on the box.
25:49.91
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, and.
25:50.31
Keith
I've got that, and I use the i use the Winchester Super. Is it Super X? Winchester.
25:56.08
Jeremy
hmm.
25:56.74
Keith
It's like a, you know what I'm talking about.
25:58.65
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.
25:59.89
Keith
Yep.
26:00.16
Jeremy
That's the red and white box. and again, um Winchester makes a lot of good rounds for the 22 CCI makes a lot of good rounds.
26:01.82
Keith
Yep, that's it.
26:09.49
Jeremy
Um, they actually have, um, like 22 long rifle and that looks like buckshot and it's, it says that it's labeled, it's supposed to be for snakes and stuff like that. Um,
26:20.44
Jeremy
Once you go, yeah.
26:20.82
Keith
Yeah, i saw it on the video. Yeah.
26:22.63
Jeremy
I mean, if you shoot one of those at any real distance, there's so much dispersal so quickly. I mean, you're not going you're not going to shoot a dove out of the air with it, but.
26:30.58
Keith
Right, right. So for the listener, what he's talking about is the bullet on the end that's usually a ah solid piece of lead is actually like a ah plastic, clear plastic. And inside inside that clear plastic tube, there's tiny little BBs in it.
26:46.68
Keith
So you're you're shooting BBs. at And they're tiny, man. I mean, really tiny. So you mean you might you might shoot a snake with it. I mean, a snake gun, I guess that'd be great. But you're not doing any damage after 10 yards. I don't see it.
27:00.34
Jeremy
Yeah, I don't think so. um I mean, it's it's really it's meant for shooting at the ground and shooting vermin on the ground, kind of like snakes or something like that.
27:07.93
Keith
Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
27:10.87
Jeremy
um But, i mean, for 100 yards, can I do it? Absolutely. Can I probably be accurate with it Absolutely. But at 100 yards with a 22 and you start working in the ballistics and coefficients and things like that, I want to be able to maximize the spread versus penetration of the 22. Because at that point in time, there's going to be so much arc on the round itself. You're kind of you're essentially lobbing it, right?
27:43.00
Jeremy
And after a certain point in time, it starts to lose the velocity needed for a good, strong, you know, kill kill hit itself.
27:54.21
Jeremy
um
27:54.74
Keith
I see what you mean. The kinetic energy is what you're talking about.
27:57.46
Jeremy
Yeah. And, and the reason it loses so much kinetic energy so quickly is because of how much, how small it is, number one, but number two, the amount of power behind it as compared to say like a 223, um, it starts to lose its kinetic energy versus velocity very, very rapidly as compared to larger bullets.
28:19.16
Keith
And at 100 yards, it's probably tumbling at that point, or at least starting to.
28:19.42
Jeremy
So yeah.
28:23.38
Jeremy
it It could be. Yeah. I mean, they do, they do eventually start to tumble. Um, but a lot of, a lot of bullets that are that small, once they come out and they go into their, their arc, what it's fighting against is actually the the air itself. You know, the air, a lot of people don't realize this, but the air can, it creates friction. So as that bullet slicing through the air, it's rotating to the right and it begins to climb in its arc.
28:50.04
Jeremy
that climb for most bullets is where it starts to go into its initial, ah like you could call it a glide path. If you've ever watched the vapor trail behind a bullet,
29:01.34
Jeremy
And it starts to go up, but for a 22, it starts to go up and it's like, uh, oh, you know, I'm starting to go down like very, very quickly.
29:07.83
Keith
Mm-hmm.
29:09.15
Jeremy
It has a very small arc as compared to, you know, larger bullets. So, but that's not to, that's not to disparage the 22 at all.
29:20.38
Jeremy
um I think for me personally, for my pistol and the 22 long rifle, I feel good about 25, 30 yards. Yeah, I think I feel good 25, 30 yards and that's probably with any pistol.
29:35.10
Jeremy
um But I think in the mindset of using it as an EDC or something along those lines, because it's loud and I can put a lot of bullets down range very quickly. For me personally, it would be a, I need to engage and I need to break contact and haul ass out of here. That's what they're, that's what they're really good for in that particular instance. If you were close enough and you get hit with a couple of 22, um, points, you're probably going to die.
30:06.17
Jeremy
Maybe not immediately, maybe not immediately, but if you get hit in the right place, you go and die.
30:06.57
Keith
Oh, yeah.
30:12.89
Keith
Especially once it spalls and, you know, it shreds out and you and you got you got lead all over the place and inside you.
30:13.05
Jeremy
So, Oh yeah.
30:19.70
Jeremy
Yeah. They, they don't feel good when you get hit by them either. I can just tell you that from my own personal experience, that does not feel awesome. No,
30:28.06
Keith
I would imagine not. No. Yeah.
30:30.33
Jeremy
especially against your shin bone. That's, that's like super painful. So, um,
30:35.74
Keith
I saw a video of, I think it was, oh, actually, i know exactly what it was. it was Demolition Ranch, which is a pretty cool YouTube channel i like. It used to be cool. I haven't watched it in years. But they were taking straws, like drinking straws, and they were putting 22s in them, like in the end, like pushing them into the straw so that the butt end of the 22 was sticking out of the straw, making that side of the straw heavier, and then throwing them up into the air as high as it could over a cement parking lot or a road and jumping in the back of their pickup truck.
30:44.87
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
30:51.81
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
31:03.99
Keith
Because what happens is it falls down to ground. And when that 22 rim fire hits the cement, it fires the bullet.
31:12.98
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. I mean.
31:14.97
Keith
And you don't know where it's going to go. i mean, your chances of dying are probably very little, but it was, it was some funny video.
31:22.07
Jeremy
oh yeah. Yeah. there's i mean, there's a lot of different things you can do with the twenty two I mean, I've actually seen people who, i don't know how they came up with the idea, but they wanted to make larger bullets, but they didn't have enough lead.
31:36.98
Jeremy
And they actually disassembled a whole bunch of.22 rounds and smelted down the lead to make castings for larger rounds. I've seen that happen. um Yeah.
31:46.39
Keith
Oh, okay.
31:48.92
Jeremy
And these guys were...
31:49.34
Keith
So, well, then I'll go ahead. I'm sorry. I thought you were done.
31:51.93
Jeremy
Well, this particular guy was actually making lead castings for.357 Magnum and I think ball ammunition for a ah ball gun.
32:03.30
Jeremy
Actually shoots, you know, ball and cap and ball.
32:03.96
Keith
o
32:06.33
Jeremy
So, yeah.
32:07.06
Keith
Right.
32:07.19
Jeremy
Yeah.
32:07.38
Keith
Yeah.
32:08.60
Jeremy
Yeah.
32:08.98
Keith
So when you're when you're hunting, let's say with because.22s are because twenty two s are a lead ah lead bullet, and where other or other ah guns may not, or other bullets may not be lead, or are we worried about the lead in the hunting aspect of it getting into the meat or anything like that?
32:16.52
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
32:26.90
Jeremy
Um, on the immediate end, no. Um, and here's my theory on that. Um, is there always a possibility that there could be a trace amount?
32:39.29
Jeremy
Yes. There's always that possibility. I mean, up until, you know, what, 40 years ago, 45 years ago, lead paint was normal.
32:50.14
Jeremy
um
32:50.81
Keith
Yeah, and all bullets were lead.
32:52.44
Jeremy
Yeah. and And even now, I mean, most of your most of your bullets are still made with lead, but they're they're they have a a different kind of metal jacket over them. So the core on a lot of bullets is still lead.
33:06.33
Jeremy
um
33:06.52
Keith
Right, yeah.
33:07.96
Jeremy
But with the...
33:09.40
Keith
And the jacket doesn't necessarily protect your your meat from ah from the lead because once it goes into an animal, it's going to spread out anyway and open up.
33:15.96
Jeremy
Yeah, it's going to mushroom out. It's going to mushroom out.
33:18.52
Keith
Mm-hmm.
33:19.29
Jeremy
Now, in my personal experience, I would say that the number of times that I have run into either a fragment or an actual, like the whole round from a 22 has been very, very minimal.
33:33.30
Jeremy
um If you're at the proper range with the proper setup and you're you know your your sound and your shooting technique and your aim and all that, 22 is going to go right through most, most game animals.
33:45.14
Jeremy
You know, it's going to go completely through a rabbit.
33:46.94
Keith
yeah rat rabbit squirrel but er oh Yeah, yeah.
33:47.14
Jeremy
It's going to go through. yeah it's going to definitely go through a squirrel. um
33:51.40
Keith
yeah.
33:52.46
Jeremy
I'll just tell you shooting, it may be morbid, but shooting 22 into a squirrel and watching that just go down live is so fricking fun.
34:03.51
Jeremy
It's just, it's one, it's hilarious, but two, it's just, it's just fun. It really is.
34:07.77
Keith
Well, it's fixing it happen around here because i'm not getting my I'm not allowing my corn to get ate again. It's not going happen.
34:13.02
Jeremy
Yeah.
34:13.29
Keith
There's going some shooting target practice around here. And I'll tell you another thing.
34:15.77
Jeremy
Yeah.
34:16.49
Keith
If you try and shoot squirrel with a 5.56 rifle, you're going blow its asshole right out of its fucking mouth.
34:22.35
Jeremy
No, dude, there's not going to be anything left.
34:23.22
Keith
I mean, it's going to explode the thing.
34:25.53
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, that's an interesting point because, ah we've we've talked about it a million one times, people think that they're going to grab their gear and go and live in the woods.
34:37.30
Jeremy
I mean, with ah with your selection of, you know, firepower or whatever kind of weapon you bring with you is really going to dictate how well you eat.
34:49.27
Jeremy
You can, I guess, technically kill a deer with a 22.
34:52.69
Keith
I don't want a trap.
34:54.52
Jeremy
I don't want to trap either.
34:55.51
Keith
I don't want a trap. I want to, that's too hard.
34:58.17
Jeremy
the The success rate of trapping is so stupid.
35:01.69
Keith
Right.
35:01.89
Jeremy
late low
35:02.29
Keith
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
35:04.02
Jeremy
I mean, i i love watching videos of people who have chosen to live like in the northern parts of Alaska and the Antarctic and all that crap. And they've got the traps out and stuff like that. And they go and they collect these things. They don't tell you that they've got like 150 traps out.
35:20.69
Keith
ah Yeah, it takes three days to go collect them all.
35:21.75
Jeremy
Right. They don't tell you. Yeah, they don't tell you that part. They don't tell you that the probability of a squirrel being stupid enough to go through a tiny little circle just because it's curious.
35:34.46
Jeremy
They don't tell you that part. It's extremely difficult. Now, if you had like actual traps, like the closing traps, you know, and you baited those traps, your your success rate would probably go up.
35:47.16
Keith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
35:47.90
Jeremy
But, you know,
35:50.33
Keith
No, yeah for small game, you want a 22.
35:50.97
Jeremy
yeah Yeah, yeah. You want a twenty two or you want a really, really good pellet rifle. I have a.22 caliber pellet rifle made by Benjamin.177.
35:57.78
Keith
Yeah, exactly. Me too. Yep. Well, I don't know. Actually, it's not a 22. It's 0.7, 0.177. Yeah. Hmm.
36:04.63
Jeremy
point one seven seven
36:05.91
Keith
but point one seven seven yeah
36:07.00
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And both are great. But the 22, mean, ah the amount of impact that it has versus a point one seven seven is huge.
36:19.83
Jeremy
I've got one that we just picked up during Christmas time made by Benjamin. and um it is freaking awesome it is so it is so good whereas before like i would shoot a squirrel with a 0.177 it might you know scamper off and i have to go find it you know while it's wriggling to death that 22 smacked one and it was like it was dead immediately like instantaneously dead
36:46.74
Keith
Mm-hmm.
36:48.21
Jeremy
um and And that's another thing to bring up is people mistake squirrels for being extremely fragile. ah Squirrels are a lot tougher than you think. you know it's They're not as easy as it is to kill them as people think it is.
37:03.96
Jeremy
um A lot of the small game hunting around here is actually done with four tens. just to really like ensure that that thing is going to get killed.
37:15.58
Jeremy
But a 22 is yeah, 410 shotgun.
37:16.25
Keith
410 shotgun.
37:18.37
Jeremy
and um ah But the 22 is, it's great, man. I mean, if if you go out and you are good in your skill set, you're almost guaranteed food.
37:30.10
Jeremy
um every time as long as you know you're patient with it of course your aim is correct you've got the fundamentals down you're gonna eat um so and the great thing is is that you can pack a significant amount of 22
37:41.75
Keith
Mm-hmm.
37:48.25
Jeremy
um with you to further your survivability itself so 10 22
37:55.87
Keith
you're talking You're talking about rounds, cartridges?
37:57.82
Jeremy
yeah the Yeah, the amount of rounds that you can carry because they're small.
37:58.72
Keith
Okay, yeah.
38:01.34
Jeremy
you know Eventually, it's going to get heavy. I mean,
38:03.48
Keith
Small, they're a lightweight.
38:04.99
Jeremy
Yep.
38:05.16
Keith
Ruger for the 10-22 makes a double 50. So you get 100 rounds. You get two magazines that are clamped on you know ah ah upside down to each other. So you just flip it.
38:15.13
Jeremy
Yeah.
38:16.34
Keith
And it carries 100 rounds of ammo, man. It's 100 rounds. Try and carry 100 rounds of of any other ammo.
38:21.13
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
38:23.38
Keith
You're going to feel the weight. This is in one magazine.
38:24.79
Jeremy
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, um, my, my 10, 22, I have, I think a total of six of them, but they're the, um, they're a 25 round magazine, you know?
38:36.57
Jeremy
Um, and each one of those carries 25, but also I have in the buttstock of mine, you can open it up and they can actually carry three more 10 round magazines.
38:47.42
Keith
Yeah, then now they come with the 10-round magazines, right? The 10-22s.
38:49.91
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.
38:52.02
Keith
And they're very small, but they're they're they work well.
38:54.17
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
38:55.34
Keith
They work really well.
38:55.73
Jeremy
Yeah. And they're a rotary style magazine. So instead of the spring pushing the magazine up from the bottom, it actually, there's a rotator mechanism on the inside, on the small, on the small magazines.
39:07.14
Keith
Oh, okay. Like a spring, like a rotating rotating spring type of thing.
39:08.62
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah.
39:10.22
Keith
Okay.
39:10.81
Jeremy
Yeah. Um, and then, i mean, again, with the, with the 1022, which is pretty much, I believe the standard nowadays, um, Even if you think that that's not going to be the one that you try to live out the rest of your days with, I would always suggest to have at least one, at least one in your inventory that, They're so versatile, you know, they're easy to maintain, but with the downside of 22, and that's always important to discuss, uh, it's a dirty ass round.
39:42.20
Jeremy
And i don't, I don't care what anybody says. Smokeless powder, is still a filthy ass round. And what I mean by that is there's a, there's a, there is a surprisingly large amount of carbon that gets expelled from a 22 round very, very quickly.
40:02.07
Jeremy
And if you don't have enough oil on your gun to start with, it's going to jam up very, very quickly, um especially if you're shooting quickly. um So it's always good to have plenty of oil with your kit for the 22 itself.
40:19.42
Jeremy
And um
40:20.28
Keith
We learned that on the the Marlin that she she just got this last year, we learned that we have to clean it after every outing. Because if we don't, the next time we go, you're going to get a jam.
40:27.61
Jeremy
every outing.
40:31.80
Keith
It's guaranteed you're going to get a jam.
40:34.37
Jeremy
Yep. Yep.
40:35.22
Keith
22 is the dirtiest. I don't i don't even understand it, for to be honest with you. I'd like to know what the mechanism is, that the the physics is, that that as to why it's so dirty.
40:45.28
Keith
But you go you know you can look inside that gun, and it's just covered in carbon.
40:49.27
Jeremy
Yep. Yeah, every single time that you shoot a twenty two and even while you're shooting, you got to oil it. And then when you get home, you got to clean the shit out of it. and The reason being is if you think about it, um let's take a.223, right? It's Bigger Brother.
41:04.76
Jeremy
um that is a boat tail style weapon, right? So you see the 22 bullet, right? The bullet itself is pretty small.
41:11.00
Keith
Yep. Mm-hmm.
41:12.25
Jeremy
And then that neck of the casing itself is tapered. And then it goes into a larger body of the actual, the, the you know, the the casing itself.
41:23.45
Jeremy
Because it's got to propel that particular round several hundred yards as compared to say a hundred yards. There's a lot hotter burning powder one in that particular round.
41:38.68
Keith
want you to want you to start over because it is you cut out on my side. Now, I don't know if it caught it in the the cloud where it catches it, but I it i didn't hear after you said something. you Just say that again.
41:49.40
Jeremy
Well, I mean, yeah with the, with the, with the fouling of the 22,
41:55.58
Jeremy
If you think about the 223 or even, you know, pretty much any other bullet, when you're looking at the bullet itself, you've got the bullet part, right? And that comes down and then you have the neck, right? The neck is the part that kind of tapers and holds that bullet in place.
42:10.81
Keith
Yeah.
42:10.90
Jeremy
And then it kind of comes down and then you've got the body of the bullet and it goes into the boat tail all that, right? So that powder, number one, burns a whole lot hotter because, and it's got a lot more of it.
42:25.11
Jeremy
And it's got a better chance of expelling all of that powder out. Right. Whereas if you look at a 22, the body itself and the round are actually the same size.
42:38.38
Jeremy
If you ever sat there and looked at it, it's almost like they squeezed the two together and
42:43.83
Keith
Yeah, it almost looks like the the lead overhangs it a little bit. Like it's almost wider than it in some cases.
42:47.85
Jeremy
yeah. Yeah, it can look like that. And because of that, right, and you've got a squat body, you know, casing pushing out a very small round, it's kind of like it the only way I could suggest that it actually looks like when it fires is hey like, right?
43:08.50
Keith
ah
43:09.94
Jeremy
Like you got a vasectomy and you're shooting blanks and now it's, you know, powdered milk, you know, like that. And because it it has a greater probability of not burning away all of the powder on the actual, you know, the pushing out of the bullet itself, that's why there's so much fouling.
43:29.62
Jeremy
You know, it's, and it doesn't have as long to go.
43:30.30
Keith
hmm
43:32.06
Jeremy
Like, you know, a lot of rifle barrels now, super long, right? Longer barrel, longer accuracy. But on 22, if you make the barrel too long, I mean, it's, it's still got to get out there, but because it loses so much kinetic energy so quickly, a lot of the barrels are just not as long.
43:50.45
Jeremy
So, yeah. there does tend to be a lot more fouling, you know, in a lot more rapid fashion than most other bullets. So yeah, it can be a pain, but i mean, dirty girl, but she does me good.
44:00.04
Keith
Yeah. Dirty gun. Yeah.
44:04.92
Jeremy
You know, um, that, that 10 22 that I have when it's good and slick and oiled up, man, I can dump rounds out of that thing so fast. I mean, so fast and it's so much fun to shoot. And honestly,
44:19.80
Jeremy
If you were using the 10, your 22 as a training companion for your regular, you know, regular gun carry or something like that, you can't go wrong because you're not burning up a lot of money on the ammo and you're still getting quality training with sound and, you know, some less recoil, but some recoil.
44:38.91
Jeremy
So if you really wanted to just kind of like have a range day where you're still getting and get really good training, but you don't want to blow your wad on, you know, regular ammunition, having a 22 setup that looks and feels almost the same as your regular setup can be the way to go.
44:56.89
Jeremy
So.
44:57.46
Keith
you actually You actually can. they They make sporting rifles in the AR and AK version of that that look like, it you know, but it's a.22.
45:00.29
Jeremy
Oh, yeah. Mm hmm.
45:06.01
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. There's a oh, my gosh, dude.
45:08.48
Keith
Mossberg makes one. M&P makes a really good one as well.
45:11.26
Jeremy
Yeah.
45:11.32
Keith
There's lots of them out there.
45:11.50
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, there's so many conversion kits and stuff like that. Um, I mean,
45:16.54
Keith
Actually, the Ruger it has a convergent kit to make it look like an AR, doesn't it?
45:21.82
Jeremy
oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, there is, there are different chassis that you can buy and then you can also, if you wanted to, you can actually take like an AR style rifle and you can change the barrel, converting it into 22.
45:38.28
Keith
That's correct. $165, think is the last time i I saw them, the conversion kit.
45:42.97
Jeremy
It's something. Yeah.
45:43.99
Keith
And I've used them. Yeah, they they work really well.
45:46.58
Jeremy
Yeah. And what it is, is it's an AR. You can either do it one or two ways. I've seen it two ways. You have these blocks that get installed into the magazine well of your AR, which reduce the size, you know, accepting a 10-22 magazine.
46:01.62
Jeremy
Or you actually have a AR style magazine and the the feeder is reduced down to 22 long rifle. um I have not personally used a conversion kit. And if I had it my way, i would have a gun dedicated to 22, you know, or chambered in 22 that is set up with the same kind of like dimensions and hopefully almost as much weight as my AR.
46:33.16
Jeremy
That's what I would want. um But honestly, i mean,
46:39.00
Keith
Yeah, look, if you go on my ah my YouTube, not my YouTube, my Facebook page, not not the bunker, my actual Facebook page, the the main picture, the splash screen is me shooting an AR over the Rio Grande in the mountains of the deserts.
46:54.44
Keith
That inside that gun is a, is a conversion kit. We, we borrowed one from Rhonda's brother before we went on that trip and I converted that morning.
47:02.24
Jeremy
Nice.
47:03.37
Keith
So this way we can just p plank all day without having to worry about, you know, spending so much money and in rounds. And we were just, but we were just, we were shooting shit all over the damn place and probably didn't spend, you know, more than 50 bucks.
47:08.50
Jeremy
Yeah.
47:14.90
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's for bang for buck value. 22 is like, you can't beat it. I mean, you really can't. Those damn dogs.
47:26.26
Jeremy
Um, but there are so many companies that make, uh, different furniture for, you know, the, your, your 10, 22.
47:36.42
Jeremy
Um, and when I say furniture, I mean the actual chassis, like the actual stock of the fun stuff.
47:43.22
Keith
The fun stuff.
47:44.89
Jeremy
Yeah. Your kit that.
47:45.37
Keith
Yeah. The gun is the gun is is the is the is the the barrel trigger system. It's the upper and the lower end.
47:50.30
Jeremy
Yeah.
47:51.57
Keith
That's the gun. But all the stuff that attaches to it, that's your furniture.
47:52.52
Jeremy
Yeah.
47:54.90
Jeremy
Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's so many things that you can do with a 10-22 nowadays. um I mean, Magpul makes different furniture for them. you can I've seen them competition-style guns that have been built out for specifically for you know competition rifles. And these are these are twenty two s that they're taking out to like yards ah accurately super accurately um But we're talking about custom builds that are you know wicked expensive.
48:27.45
Jeremy
you know they they can be They can be pretty damn expensive.
48:29.19
Keith
Never heard
48:31.61
Jeremy
And a lot of those are made with real heavy wooden stocks. um so And you know there's even companies, i don't know if you've ever heard of a company called Wooks.
48:42.84
Jeremy
um
48:43.34
Keith
andre of
48:44.15
Jeremy
They are a a gun furniture, well, a stock company, we'll call it that. um And you may have seen some pictures of you know their their guns out there. A lot of them, they look like they have a really sort of natural wood stock look to them.
49:02.65
Jeremy
um But there some of their stuff that they have now for the 1022, is it expensive? ah But they're a premium company. And me personally, I,
49:15.99
Jeremy
like different colors of metal that they use and the stock itself is solid and me personally i I love good old fashioned, like heavy wood stock, you know, um ah guns.
49:27.42
Keith
Mmm.
49:33.70
Jeremy
They just, the look of them, the feel of them But they're one of their models that they have, it's called the Furiosa. It's run in almost $1,200.
49:45.75
Jeremy
And that's a, that is a, yeah, that is a chassis for a 10-22.
49:48.36
Keith
Damn.
49:52.03
Jeremy
We're not talking about like, you know, super duper sniper rifle. We're talking about a 10-22. That's how, that's how high end, you know, some of these, these companies get with their stuff.
50:03.18
Keith
there's There's some very serious people out there that that are creating all kinds of stuff for the.22. I got a a buddy of mine who's got, you you know, the FN Scar, the rifle?
50:08.86
Jeremy
Oh yeah. Oh
50:12.32
Jeremy
yeah. Oh yeah.
50:13.48
Keith
it's Very cool looking rifle. And it's a great gun. I got a buddy of mine who's who has the 10-22 with the build out of the Scar.
50:16.35
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
50:20.16
Keith
It looks exactly like a Scar, but inside it's a It's crazy.
50:24.02
Jeremy
Yeah.
50:24.82
Keith
crazy
50:25.05
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, sometimes I think about the fact that like somewhere out there, somebody busted into somebody's house and they were like, Oh dude, I'm going to steal this car. And then they got home and they're like, what the, like, this is a 22.
50:36.25
Keith
yeah ah
50:38.32
Jeremy
Oh yeah. Yeah.
50:39.19
Keith
Yeah. yeah
50:40.68
Jeremy
They got $150, 10, 22 inside of a $3,000
50:41.78
Keith
They thought they were getting $2,500 gun. They they didn't. yeah
50:45.27
Jeremy
Yeah. they got one hundred and fifty dollars ten twenty two inside of a three thousand dollars chasis But yeah, I mean, again, it's.
50:55.67
Keith
um And, you know, and we didn't even talk about the fact of the, the, the, the stealth mode of, of, of being able to go out and hunt with a 22 rather than a large you know caliber rifle.
51:05.14
Jeremy
Yeah. So here's here's ah here's an interesting thing. So i gotta two I got two neighbors down from me and it's the same couple that we you know we watch their chickens and we trade vegetables with them during the summer and all these other things.
51:21.82
Jeremy
He was telling me one day that he was in his backyard, same day as me, plinking some squirrels you know and whatnot. And I was like, oh, cool. What kind of Pelican do you have? He's like, no, I was shooting with my.22.
51:33.18
Jeremy
And I looked at him. i was like, I think you're fucking lying to me. And I didn't realize it, but he was using subsonic 1022. ten twenty to or at He rifle,
51:45.14
Jeremy
but he was using subsonic twenty two long rifle ammunition And he didn't even have a can on. And i when I always say can, I mean a suppressor.
51:53.72
Keith
Right.
51:54.01
Jeremy
um The subsonic.22 round is ridiculously quiet on itself. If you were to add a suppressor to that gun, and they also have.22 short rifle subsonic.
52:07.58
Jeremy
um Now, when you start talking about subsonic ammunition, one it's a lot quieter, but two, it's a lot slower. And three, it has a lot less penetration because of the fact that it's moving slower than a regular, you know, 22 long rifle.
52:22.90
Jeremy
um But if you have a subsonic ground with a suppressor, these things are ridiculously quiet. And when I say ridiculously quiet, we call it Hollywood quiet. So you see the movies and you know dude's got a suppressor on like a 9 mil or 45 or something like that yeah oh
52:37.12
Keith
Oh yeah. ah Yeah.
52:40.80
Keith
We were, we were watching Lioness last night and they got, they got their ARs, you know, and I think they're probably 30 calories and they're all done out in with super silent cans on them.
52:51.04
Keith
And all you hear is this.
52:51.13
Jeremy
yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean do they make some
52:54.06
Keith
That's it. They're crazy.
52:58.52
Keith
Well, and and a and a lot of things, a lot of, there's there's two different things happening. Number one, you've got the, the, the, the the the explosion, okay, that happens when the bullet is fired, you got that sound.
53:09.18
Keith
but But mostly what you got is the crack of a bullet leaving the muzzle, hitting the air, and going faster than the speed of sound, which is when it hits the sound barrier.
53:17.05
Jeremy
Yes.
53:18.55
Keith
And that's the that's the crack that you That's the really loud part. The subsonic ammo that you're talking about for our listeners
53:22.01
Jeremy
Yeah.
53:26.49
Keith
does not have that because it doesn't move faster than the speed of sound. So it doesn't break a sound, but so you don't have the crack.
53:29.75
Jeremy
You're right.
53:31.93
Keith
You still have the explosion. so you still hear that unless you have it, a silencer or ah a can on it.
53:34.32
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
53:38.80
Jeremy
Yeah.
53:39.26
Keith
So if you've got a suppressor on there, you're not hearing, you're not hearing any of that sound at all, which is you're, you might even just be hearing the click of the mechanism on the gun.
53:44.09
Jeremy
No.
53:48.46
Jeremy
That's but that's basically what you're hearing. um It would basically be the if you were standing outside and you heard it, you like to the squirrel just fart. That's what it actually sounds like.
53:57.24
Keith
Yeah. Yeah.
53:58.74
Jeremy
um And yeah.
54:00.28
Keith
Cause we shoot our, our 22 without, without ears. We don't use ears. if They're not loud. It's not loud at all, but I guarantee you a mile away. Somebody can definitely hear that gun.
54:09.69
Jeremy
Oh, absolutely.
54:09.94
Keith
It's not, there's nothing silent about a 22, but it's way more silent than a, than a higher, than a high caliber rifle.
54:12.60
Jeremy
No, no, no, no, no. no no that And that's a...
54:17.62
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, it is a lot quieter, but um so it's surprisingly loud. If you were ever to be on the sides of or even somewhat downrange of 22, there is no mistaking what that sound is.
54:34.71
Jeremy
um
54:35.10
Keith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
54:35.83
Jeremy
Yeah, and there's a, and again, a lot of it's Hollywoodized, but I have shot many suppressed weapons. I have shot a 22 suppressed. I have actually seen a suppressed 22 in action in combat, which by the way is wicked awesome.
54:51.86
Jeremy
um But it's that misnomer that people see in movies and TV shows of what suppressors are supposed to sound like. That's not, that's not what happens.
55:02.07
Jeremy
not what it is. it's It's not that cool. I'll just tell you that. It's cool. It does reduce the sound signature quite a bit, but it will never you'll never have a gun be Hollywood quiet on unless you have subsonic.22 with a suppressor.
55:21.59
Jeremy
And basically what you're hearing is the actual clicking of the firing mechanism itself. So, yeah.
55:27.44
Keith
Right.
55:29.40
Jeremy
But yeah, man. Probably... In my opinion, one of the most versatile guns out there in the world, just, you know, hands down. um It's got so much utility to it. It's got so many different uses.
55:43.96
Jeremy
And I mean, they're just so damn fun to shoot. They just really are. It's just, they're easy to shoot. Children, women, men, um our grandchildren have shot them.
55:56.38
Jeremy
They're, they're, it's so easy, you know? and
55:59.51
Keith
Yeah, I would suggest to every prepper survivors out there that that's thinking about firearms or has firearms, if you don't have a.22, definitely get one because there's going to be a time, there may be a time, but there's most likely going to be a time if you're prepping that you're going to need something that's quiet, stealthy, lightweight, cheap, lots of ammo.
56:07.74
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
56:17.94
Keith
You're going to need that. Am I saying not to have a shotgun or your AR, your your fancy this and that? no I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying is you need to add a.22 to your stockpile.
56:28.44
Jeremy
It's definitely a worthy consideration. And i would also further that in saying is if you're going to have, if you're, if you choose to get a 1022, which I think everybody should, I think it's definitely a must have in in regards to overall preparedness. you should strongly consider having a.22 pistol as a companion weapon to that.
56:51.10
Jeremy
So um again, size-wise, very easy to carry with the weight, the amount of ammunition that you can carry in it.
57:01.34
Jeremy
And um and again, try to get beyond what everybody says about.22. Oh, you know, it's just going to make somebody angry. Oh, is it going to probably? Yeah. But I guarantee you, yeah, I guarantee you that with the, if you take, if you look at the statistics on how close a lot of gunfights are nowadays in the States with, you know, let's just say pistols.
57:11.48
Keith
Yeah, right before that person dies.
57:25.62
Jeremy
Again, 22 long rifle that is a hollow point is absolutely devastating. I mean, i have separated a squirrel in half with one. I'll just put it to you that way. Now, squirrels compared to a human body, of course, they don't really compare.
57:42.90
Jeremy
However, if you think about the fact that a squirrel literally like split in half from the damage caused by it, it's pretty good indicator that something's happening inside the human body.
57:51.34
Keith
Right.
57:57.24
Jeremy
Um, and it's only going to take one to sting that person down just for you to be able to get away. So, but yeah, I mean, you can't go wrong with it, man. I mean, are you going take down a moose?
58:09.58
Jeremy
Nope. No, you're not. And that's not what it was meant for. Um, but if you, if you have one and you're good enough with it, you, you guys are going to eat, you know what i mean? That's, that's, and that's really one of the biggest things that you need it for.
My Prepper brothers and sisters…
… A .22 rifle won’t solve every problem.
It won’t replace your defensive plan.
It won’t bring back rule of law.
It won’t make chaos disappear.
But what it can do, is the work that keeps families alive.
Small game. Pest control - human or other. Training the next generation of shooters. Carrying 500 rounds of ammunition in the space the size of a softball. Minimal recoil. Minimal noise. Minimal waste.
And that little rimfire? It represents something bigger than ballistics.
It represents thinking long-term.
It represents restraint.
It represents the mindset of someone who plans to be around for the long haul.
In a true SHTF world, survival won’t belong to the shooter with the biggest caliber.
It’ll belong to the one who understood the value of the smallest.
Stay Prepped…
Stay Happy…
Thanks for Listening…
And Goodnight…