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Yeah. So what do we know about him? What do we know about the the infamous... demon that is the the the data center. Everybody's.
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Keith
discussing right now.
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Jeremy
Well, I'm convinced that AR is going to be the end of mankind.
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Keith
Of course.
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Jeremy
Of course.
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Keith
It will be.
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Jeremy
Yeah. um And I have a personal opinion about these. these data centers even though like i noticed that as soon as we started talking about doing this episode i started getting stuff of course in my algorithm and like my fbi guy was like hey i guess we gotta head this off at the pass But. um Well, I started getting this stuff because they're building. uh a tremendous amount of those data centers here in north carolina
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Jeremy
They're putting them right next to known water sources for crops, for animals, and for people. And, um... from what i have understood about the whole process they have to have a massive amount of water to like cool these these these computers and these machines off.
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Jeremy
But the byproduct of what ends up happening is that gets pumped back into the water system and it's contaminating the water. So... It's basically the same thing the way I see it is the same thing as we've been dealing with for years that companies that dump waste.
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Jeremy
into water. uh water systems that people drink from. So.
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Keith
Yeah. very ah And you're close to Virginia, right?
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Jeremy
Um, But.
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Keith
Close, by the way, of on that side of the world.
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Jeremy
Yeah, we're but like three and a half. Three and a half hours, maybe close to four from Virginia.
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Keith
Right. Exactly. And they have um they they lead the country in data centers. They've got somewhere in the vicinity of like 350 or 380, something like that, data centers.
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Keith
Um,
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Jeremy
Well, you got DC and stuff up there too.
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Keith
So.
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Keith
true true that's right
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Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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Keith
So. um Go ahead. What else?
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Jeremy
What do you got buddy?
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Keith
Oh.
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Buddy
well Ugh. So I have two of these. One within. one proposed data site within uh three to four miles I think it's about. as a crow flies.
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Buddy
of my old house and in the new house I'm kind of splitting time between both of them right now the new house. There's one within a half a mile I mean, I can literally C.
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Buddy
where they're going to put it in. And it's been a street fight between the people. of the community Um... and these data centers. And.
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Buddy
It's been kind of crazy. the The data centers will hire these. Local guys and they're they're basically lobbyists
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Keith
let let me Let me stop right there. Are they built already right now? or Have you seen them?
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Buddy
No, they're they're proposed.
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Keith
or
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Buddy
There's 60...
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Keith
Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.
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Buddy
In Oklahoma right now, and and I got inundated with... Data. white. this morning. I asked some people that I've been doing some research for. to try to they're They're opposed to him, I'll just say that.
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Buddy
And the more I research it, I'm kind of... And I'll go into it a little. a little bit later. but um um Setting a fence on it right now between it about you know They're definitely bad.
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Buddy
But. you know. we're We're gonna have to either get on It's kind of like the nuclear thing, in my opinion. You either get on. board and get ahead of the curve or you're behind.
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Buddy
And then. you know, you're you're economically Um, Just the national security alone with that because China's going to do it Russia is gonna do it everybody else is gonna all these other countries are gonna do this thing And if we don't do it...
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Buddy
then we're going to be behind. and It's not a good thing. I think national security wise.
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Keith
Well, let's... and So you said you had somebody who's who's running a fight against them? Do you know somebody?
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Buddy
Yeah, um I can't say I'm really in this organization. But. I know people in it. several different peoples and there's different you know, little...
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Buddy
I guess factions that are out there, you know
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Keith
Yeah.
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Buddy
running against it and Some political... Um, Some of them are political. lot um organizations that you know are basically their local political organizations and then there's just some you know people who you know God. They're circling the wagons together and they're they're trying to take on these things.
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Buddy
So I did get a bunch of data.
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Keith
What are the, you so what? what Yeah, go ahead. No, go go for it.
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Buddy
No, I just got a bunch of data earlier today, and I've been sifting through it, and I'm like, holy shit. and i've kind of I've done some of the research just to help them out. And, but.
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Buddy
I've gotten a bunch more today than some other people that's been working on it with me. through my lap and I've been sifting through it and Man, it's crazy. It's all Oklahoma specific.
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Buddy
But yet. you know, you can. plug and play anybody that's in the Midwest. or even I would say... The Bible Belt. kind of area and to include like tennessee North Carolina.
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Buddy
you know, We're prime areas for these things, and and they're targeting us. For a reason. And they're targeting Oklahoma for a reason. because we're set up for success for them.
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Buddy
in a lot of different ways that I can go into or you know i don't have to but Um, It's...
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Buddy
it's It's crazy. I mean... But you know I almost don't know where to start on this thing because it's a it's a you know
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Keith
Well, since we're prepper survivalists and we were always preparing for. uh for negative right What would you say are some of the negatives? that people are talking about.
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Buddy
Okay, so the the biggest concerns people have, and and the the normal everyday, we're talking Democrat, Republican, just people. who live in this area.
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Keith
Yeah, it's everybody.
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Buddy
Yeah. Everybody doesn't want them. Or they don't want them in their backyard, is what I should say. Nobody wants the thing in the backyard. Nobody wants the, you know. To look at the eyesore to to have to hear they they make a whining sound i mean it's been proven that they do this Um, so There's a homing sound that's out there They suck the water. local water out i mean hell we're in a drought here
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Buddy
And they're about to release. uh up river. water source for the city of Oklahoma City. Um... to just... Because we're in a drought and the the main water source for Oklahoma City is down like eight or nine feet.
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Buddy
And so they're going to take this. you know, Upstream. Water sores. and open it up so we can have more water because we're We're just in that area right now. and You know...
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Buddy
we can't even keep up with what we have and these guys want to come in and suck you know extra water that Um, you know and the in the extra water that we just we don't have we we do have it but we don't you know what i mean Um, they they It's a deplete. Everybody's scared it's going to deplete. the resources. So the energy.
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Buddy
resources, your your bills are going to go up. Um... You know, in some cases it'll be rolling blackouts. And that's why they kind of pick Oklahoma, because we're in a different situation. We're in Texas, too.
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Buddy
Kansas as well we're kind of in the plus side with the energy area uh in the plus side of the water so we're kind of prime for the picking. Um,
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Buddy
And. We got an idiot governor. I'll just go ahead and say it that he's out there Probably taking kickbacks. I'll just fucking say it. Um,
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Keith
Let me stop you for a second. Um,
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Buddy
Yeah.
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Keith
I just checked. I just put Jeremy on a mute because I was trying to figure out. I'm hearing a. bumbling sound coming it's got to be coming from your mic There we go.
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Buddy
Okay.
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Keith
Yeah.
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Buddy
So... Let me back it down.
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Keith
Are you moving your table, moving your desk? like your're it's like oh it's It's almost like. like a rumbling like I can't explain it.
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Buddy
What about now? Is it any better?
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Keith
No. Wait, let's be silent for just a second.
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Keith
Yeah, still here. It's like heartbeat or something. You you don't hear that?
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Buddy
No. Hold on, there's a fan. hold let me turn this Silly fan. Last time I didn't... It wasn't. an issue
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Keith
Yeah. that's it You know what? It could be a ceiling fan. It could be the noise of the. wind going up against your Mike.
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Buddy
Alright, I'm trying to turn this fucker down.
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Keith
My AC is running. My AC has not stopped running, but it's running. and it's I just happen to be by a close register, and it's it's noisy, but i can I can cut it out.
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Buddy
all right let me let me go and turn off i'm gonna have to turn off the actual power so it's going to turn off the lights and stuff. so I guess, I don't know. I'm not, this is a new area for me, so.
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Keith
And Jeremy, you're on mute, by the way.
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Buddy
Or is that any better?
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Keith
Yeah, it's gone
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Buddy
Okay, yeah, I was probably a ceiling fan. Yeah, last time and we didn't have a problem with it. but Seems like this is a new time this time.
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Keith
i turned i had turned I started with Jeremy because you were you were talking. I started with his and I put his on mute just to see if it was his but it ended up being yours. The problem with that is I can't put you guys off of mute once I turn it on.
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Jeremy
yeah
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Jeremy
Yeah.
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Keith
i can um I can only mute you. I can't take it off.
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Jeremy
Well, when you said heartbeat and I started listening closely, I was like Oh dude. The FBI guy is like, in this microphone. Like he's here.
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Keith
Yeah.
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Buddy
He's right there.
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Jeremy
He's like, it's the ghost of the machine. Ah.
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Keith
I don't know if we're that big, but...
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Jeremy
Well, I've got.
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Keith
and so So, go ahead.
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Jeremy
I was going to say I've got some stats for North Carolina. based off of what's currently in our state. And this is just, of course.
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Jeremy
localized um and So we have about 122 facilities across the whole state. 84 facilities are currently operational. Eight facilities are under construction. 21 new projects are planned.
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Jeremy
Three projects are paused and six are inactive. And there is a website that you can actually use. It is a U .S. data center map, and it's called DCMap .us. And you can, you know, focus in on your state.
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Jeremy
And the way that this is broken down is it's got ah it's got like a key over here. And it actually tells you based off of the amount of power that these facilities put out.
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Jeremy
um And some of them, they're not listed. it says no published figures on you know which I don't understand how there could not be published figures. But when I'm looking at it.
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Jeremy
Um, There are two right here in the fable area. They're more clustered around the bigger cities like. uh charlotte raleigh Durham.
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Jeremy
Winston-Salem and that kind of thing and then But what's interesting is. When you go more towards the Charlotte side. and they have um large bodies of water over there.
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Jeremy
All of these different. all of these different um uh data centers looking at this map they're all focused around major streams. uh tributaries um the cape fear And they're all focused around where there is water.
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Jeremy
So... again we go back to the whole water thing and as a prepper survivalist or you know however you identify yourself in this space We're always talking about water.
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Jeremy
But what are you going to do you know when these things are all over the place, eating up water and then spitting out bad water? like how do you How are you going to tackle that particular problem?
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Jeremy
So, because I'm looking at some of these. And... Like there is one that's in Charlotte that's putting out. 2000. Plus.
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Jeremy
Sorry. uh 2000 megawatts of power. Now, I'm not an electrician. I don't know. what that means as far as like output, but I imagine it's big.
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Jeremy
the circle itself that's sitting smack in the middle of Charlotte. Um... Looks pretty big. And Charlotte is really just right right next to the South Carolina border.
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Jeremy
So. Yeah. Yeah, they're all almost all of them are all focused around some kind of body of water.
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Keith
Yeah, they do require it does require a lot of a lot of water. Um, So you were saying, buddy, that. um Though... yeah That they're bringing water in from someplace north of you?
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Keith
But for the city, not not for the data centers, but for the city.
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Buddy
Yeah, they're...
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Buddy
Yeah, for for Oklahoma City, the... The main water source in Oklahoma City, there's a couple different lakes that that feed the the metro area. But they're bringing in, for one of the lakes, they're releasing the backup.
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Buddy
upstream or upriver. back up Water source there. They're releasing it to so many And. it slips me the how much they're going to release but they're going to release it to bring it up we're That one lake in Oklahoma City is down about nine feet.
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Buddy
and it's gonna bring it up. three feet up back up to an acceptable level and then we got rain coming in the next uh 10 days so hopefully it'll help relax some of it but Um,
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Buddy
you know we we're We've been in a ah historical drought. And you know they want to they want to start sucking the water you know Um, sources from us.
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Buddy
So it's almost like, you know, as humans, we're we're competing against. A robot for... lack of better terms, a robot for for water. You know?
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Buddy
And there are aquifers that... can be used and there's different sources out there but and and i will say that It's a closed loop. They do have closed loop. um water sources so they just don't take water from you know, a water source and then run it through the system and then run it out it it's a closed loop system but eventually it has to go somewhere because it'll get warm and hot so they have to have it cool down so and there's different techniques for it like they have
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Buddy
cooling pools where they they Get the water Let it cool off and then send it back through. But... It's got to come from somewhere initially. So that's what people.
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Buddy
are very scared of along with the the electrical drag that's gonna you know. The cause so, you know, there's a lot of unknowns and and it's a new thing that
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Keith
Yeah.
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Buddy
A lot of the water... consumption is a tracked, a lot of the electricity usage. Can be tracked. but it has been tracked, but it's just people are scared, you know, and then they say, oh, well, we can bring in nuclear. We can do a nuclear reactor on these places. Well, then now you've got a nuclear reactor in your backyard that is a prime target.
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Buddy
for a terrorist or a nation state actor. And then. You know. With the water, with the electric. One.
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Buddy
i noticed so in the research i was doing um There's one source or one of the data centers. out of 60 in the state that's either active or Um,
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Buddy
projected They're going to make their own, because we have a lot of natural gas here. They're going to... use natural gas for the electricity source so At least they're thinking. You know what I mean?
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Buddy
So. There's other alternatives for this, and I have solutions for them if anybody wants to listen. to but uh I think that.
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Buddy
People are just scared because they don't know. And, you know. Kind of going back to the Intel uh episode you know, you the unknowns of those uh those gaps in your intelligence.
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Buddy
You know the unknowns or the that's the ones that you know keep use you know wake at night and uh you know you need to really focus on so
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Keith
Sorry.
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Buddy
Yeah.
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Keith
Sorry about that. um What else you got it for as far as your data is concerned? that you were looking up.
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Buddy
What do you want to know? ah
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Keith
Well, i'm just trying to I'm trying to get ah the audience and myself, I'm trying to get a wraparound. you know this whole data center thing like what what's the fight about um I totally get what you were just talking about with data centers being in the backyard. The noise is one thing. ah the um The water consumption. completely understood that.
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Keith
Um, But this. um This thing about them being. sort of dangerous or whatever. ah you You mentioned... um ah nuclear power plants. Well... Nuclear power plants. Yes, they could they could be a target if you're if your country's under attack, absolutely for sure. There's no doubt about that.
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Keith
Truth of the matter is, most of us... Live in. you know, is it in or around big cities. And. Big cities are also targets. The other thing about nuclear power plants is that.
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Keith
Um, Per capita or per the stats, let's let let's say that. ah they They are the safest. Out of all of the electrical. consumption ah plants that we have.
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Keith
Like ah wind and wind and and wind turbines.
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Buddy
Yeah.
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Keith
There are far more many deaths Like workers having to go up there.
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Buddy
It's...
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Keith
It's it's a high tech jet. It's a high. ah Uh, what do you call it? Dangerous job. But when it comes to nuclear power plants. very few people ever. Art. die from a nuclear power plant.
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Keith
Yes, you've had...
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Buddy
And they're highly regulated.
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Keith
treatment
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Buddy
for safety reasons.
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Keith
yeah Yeah, exactly. They're highly regulated for safety reasons. So during the construction process, you don't you might have an accident or two here or there. But you don't have... deaths and things like that. And, you know, you have Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, but Three Mile Island, nobody died.
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Keith
That was out of, what, New York or the East Coast or something?
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Buddy
Long Island, yeah wouldn't it?
00:24:15.89
Keith
Long Island, yeah. Nobody died at all.
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Buddy
Or somewhere around there. Yeah.
00:24:18.70
Keith
Chernobyl, yeah, that was pretty bad.
00:24:20.80
Jeremy
Well...
00:24:20.81
Keith
Um, yuki Fukushima, same thing.
00:24:21.57
Jeremy
Yeah.
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Jeremy
Well, here's the thing. I mean. So a lot of people talk about. wind Let's just talk about wind for a second. um umm um um I'm from Texas and I have property out in West Texas. and as soon as you so like leave san antonio take a left and you are literally heading west to El Paso. It takes eight hours from door to door.
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Jeremy
from my house in El Paso to my mom's in in San Antonio. As soon as you get out of that area you start seeing wind turbines.
00:24:50.52
Keith
Thousands of them.
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Jeremy
But here's the thing. I would say. on any given day, if I was to count. Maybe. 10 % of them are actually turning.
00:25:01.67
Keith
Isn't that funny? That's weird.
00:25:02.93
Jeremy
It is. It takes more. Fuel. Energy. and material. to run those turbines than it's actually producing.
00:25:13.45
Keith
Yeah.
00:25:14.06
Jeremy
It is the.
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Buddy
I'm looking out my window right now. I can count 12.
00:25:17.74
Jeremy
Yeah.
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Buddy
And that's just what I can see.
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Keith
Oklahoma's got a shit ton.
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Buddy
You know what I mean?
00:25:20.40
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:25:20.36
Keith
Yeah.
00:25:21.48
Buddy
Um,
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Jeremy
But... And they have these.
00:25:22.95
Buddy
You're right.
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Jeremy
out there in west texas they've got them like on top of the hills on top of the mountains And those damn things ain't turning.
00:25:28.53
Keith
Yep.
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Jeremy
And um' um I've always think to myself, I'm like. You know, we've had oscillating fans for quite a long time. And they turn. Why can't they just... Face the right direction.
00:25:41.82
Keith
no No, no, they turn. the those wind Those wind turbines turn. They move.
00:25:44.97
Jeremy
I know. I know they do. but I've never seen it. Maybe I'm missing something.
00:25:48.19
Keith
Oh, I see what you mean
00:25:50.06
Jeremy
Because they're always facing the same way.
00:25:52.31
Keith
I don't understand it either. i've I've always questioned that, too, when I've gone on road trips and I've seen all these, you know, and you see like dozens and dozens of them all across the whole skyline and like like half of them are just not turning.
00:25:59.50
Jeremy
hu Yeah.
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Keith
And I'm wondering if like there's a.
00:26:02.98
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:26:05.01
Keith
some sort of a regulation maybe maybe somebody can comment on that a regulation maybe maybe they had to they had to be turned turned down you know for a certain amount of time for maintenance i don't know
00:26:13.06
Buddy
o The air is maintenance downtime on them a lot and then like you said earlier There's a lot of power that has to be put into them to make them work
00:26:14.15
Jeremy
I don't know. But.
00:26:20.60
Jeremy
Yeah. They are not clean energy.
00:26:21.90
Buddy
so or So I will say energy, not necessarily power.
00:26:24.78
Keith
Well, and also the other thing we're we're missing, not you guys, but the world is missing on these wind wind power. I love the fact of wind power, but here's here's the thing. you You need an enormous amount of fossil fuels, that is oil, to produce these things.
00:26:40.61
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:26:40.74
Keith
you To produce them, to move them, to to build them, to put them up. The the the the the save. What am I trying to say here? are the the The fossil fuels that are going to be saved.
00:26:52.39
Keith
By having one of these things, the the machine will never make up for it.
00:26:55.64
Jeremy
No.
00:26:56.40
Keith
for what it cost it just to build it and install it.
00:26:56.55
Jeremy
Mm-mm.
00:26:59.38
Jeremy
Yeah. Have you ever seen the trucks that move those blades?
00:27:03.11
Keith
Oh yeah.
00:27:04.04
Buddy
All the time.
00:27:04.18
Keith
Yeah.
00:27:04.23
Jeremy
Those things are so long that they require two like
00:27:05.43
Keith
Yep.
00:27:05.99
Buddy
Every day.
00:27:08.91
Jeremy
It's not like your typical 18 wheeler bed. It's the the. front of the truck And then like. There's this little midget part in the very, very back. A little trail, you know. trail part.
00:27:20.69
Keith
Yeah.
00:27:21.24
Jeremy
That's how big they are.
00:27:22.63
Keith
Yeah, and they and the and the trucks run off of diesel, and and every everything in the truck is made from oil.
00:27:22.89
Jeremy
And. Yeah.
00:27:27.21
Keith
Everything in our lives is made from oil. I don't have a problem with, ah with with you know.
00:27:29.39
Jeremy
Yeah. and you
00:27:32.49
Keith
people wanting to go with wind and this and that. but And not only that, it doesn't produce enough electricity as...
00:27:34.55
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
00:27:38.40
Keith
something like a like a nuclear power plant i'm pro nuclear power plant i have no problem with them
00:27:40.54
Jeremy
Right.
00:27:43.10
Jeremy
Right.
00:27:43.82
Buddy
Well, they kill birds too.
00:27:43.80
Jeremy
and
00:27:45.04
Buddy
There's a lot of eagles.
00:27:45.44
Jeremy
they're Oh, my gosh.
00:27:47.16
Buddy
and You know.
00:27:47.32
Jeremy
There's so many dead animals around those, those damn wind turbine things. But you know, you are right about. Um... about the ah Nuclear is is.
00:27:59.99
Jeremy
They're so heavily regulated. you know they're extreme we've got one up in raleigh And looking at that data center map. um of where that one of the larger data center data centers is, it's actually right next to. the nuclear facility. that they have up there.
00:28:17.36
Keith
And a nuclear power plant pumps out electricity like nothing else.
00:28:20.61
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:28:20.78
Keith
It is it is incredible. And one day we will have... Fission. or fusion but the nuclear power plant is fission it's it's uh breaking atoms apart and that's heavy heavy atoms of like um
00:28:28.20
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:28:34.11
Keith
what What's the nuclear? what What is it?
00:28:37.30
Jeremy
Is it plutonium?
00:28:38.66
Keith
Plutonium, yeah, it's one of the heavy ones. When you have fission, it's very light stuff like helium.
00:28:40.40
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:28:44.61
Jeremy
Mm hmm.
00:28:44.66
Keith
And it and it ah it produces a lot of power. But we're not there yet. We haven't made a fission that we know of. We have not made a fission plant. you know, where you where you actually squeeze atoms together instead of tearing them apart.
00:28:58.11
Keith
Once we do, then we're going to have some really, really safe electricity. But right now, you know, let's not even put nuclear on the table because nuclear is safe and that's just the way it is. You can argue until you're blue in the face.
00:29:06.79
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:29:09.85
Keith
data centers. One thing that... I think a lot of people are missing Every single thing you do. On your computer, your phone, everything everything.
00:29:20.55
Keith
goes through a data center. People say, well, what are they for?
00:29:21.90
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:29:22.70
Keith
They're for everything that you do. When you go on your phone, um you you you plug in. a latest pair of Nike shoes that will fit my style. And in split second, you've got an answer. You know why? A data center did that. None of that happens on your phone. None of that happens on your computer.
00:29:42.15
Jeremy
Right.
00:29:42.61
Keith
It all happens in a data center. It always has happened in a data center. It's just that. The world needs more data, so they have to build more data centers. If we don't build more data centers, we fall behind.
00:29:55.20
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:29:55.19
Keith
there's no way around this data centers are coming whether you like or not People say. well Why can't we just put them all out in the desert? Have you ever been out there? There's no water.
00:30:05.15
Jeremy
yeah
00:30:05.09
Keith
Lake Powell and Lake Mead?
00:30:06.46
Buddy
no
00:30:07.81
Keith
they're They're done.
00:30:09.24
Jeremy
All right.
00:30:09.18
Keith
In the next, like, 10 years, they're done.
00:30:10.05
Jeremy
Yeah. I have, I have a property in a desert. Yeah. Um,
00:30:15.54
Keith
There's no water out there for them to use. Come on.
00:30:17.50
Jeremy
No, i mean I mean, I'm pretty close to a large river, but it's the river that separates Mexico and Texas. um it' full of salt.
00:30:23.73
Keith
The Rio Grande.
00:30:25.44
Jeremy
Yeah, it's full of salt, dead bodies. probably some thrown out drugs who else knows what's in there but
00:30:29.42
Keith
ah
00:30:31.67
Jeremy
From what I, well, from what I have gathered in my research. There's, you know. People are going to. I mean, people complained about fences at one point in time. And I think we had this conversation or you guys had this conversation at some point in time recently.
00:30:44.62
Keith
Oh. I remember that yeah.
00:30:45.92
Jeremy
Yeah. So if you think about all of the different technological advances that we've made you know in the world, somebody is going to complain about it. But I think that... this particular one even though It may be.
00:31:00.07
Jeremy
one of those things where it's like the enemy of my enemy enemy is my friend kind of thing.
00:31:03.93
Keith
Yes.
00:31:04.55
Jeremy
i I think that. And I get it. But the major complaints that people have is, of course, it's ah it's a huge consumption of electricity and water. it takes It takes a lot to run these things, right?
00:31:19.33
Jeremy
um that puts a really big you know strain on the current grid that we already have and we all should know by now that the grid in our country and depending on state to state, but generally.
00:31:32.30
Jeremy
is woefully lacking. Like in a major, major way. um We've already talked about water consumption. These things use millions upon millions of gallons of water a day.
00:31:44.52
Jeremy
to cool you know these different machines that they're using. um People also talk about the noise pollution. It's it's the fans, the cooling fans, the chillers.
00:31:55.59
Jeremy
and all of this stuff along as well as backup you know diesel generators All of these things create a ton of noise. And, you know, a lot of people are complaining about that.
00:32:06.22
Jeremy
And a lot of people think that, and and I can can get behind this as well, there's a major lack of transparency when it comes to what's really... you know, happening with these particular facilities and then honestly
00:32:19.58
Buddy
Huge. Huge amount of transit.
00:32:20.82
Jeremy
Um,
00:32:21.99
Buddy
um they're either sitting on the data
00:32:22.11
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:32:25.44
Buddy
Or nobody's tracking it. You know what I mean?
00:32:27.42
Jeremy
Right.
00:32:28.25
Buddy
is there's huge amount there's unknowns in there so i was talking about earlier
00:32:28.64
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:32:32.51
Jeremy
yeah and then the other thing is is you know what does it do for me you know Most people, when they're thinking about...
00:32:32.85
Buddy
that
00:32:39.16
Jeremy
you know, Um, you know, you didnt want to introduce something, the first thing they're going to ask is, all right, well, what is it what is it what am I getting out of it? And that's human nature. But there's no major tax breaks.
00:32:52.32
Jeremy
for the different areas that are these things are being you know put up and jobs are extremely limited. And they're going to want to send their own people to build and manage and actually run these facilities.
00:33:06.02
Jeremy
Because it does take. A lot of experience. a lot of institutional knowledge. And quite honestly, um A lot of the employees that they already currently have are under a NDA or nondisclosure agreement.
00:33:20.90
Jeremy
They cannot legally talk about the things that they have. seen and done in order to make these facilities run. So why would we want to bring in outsiders?
00:33:32.81
Jeremy
Train them. which costs a lot of money. Time. and then put them out in these facilities. just to have them potentially quit or Give. you know. um institutional material knowledge or whatever to a different competing company.
00:33:51.26
Jeremy
you know that i can I can understand.
00:33:53.56
Keith
Well, that's a story as old as time, though, as far as that's concerned. I mean, there's always going to be competing companies. And and i and I agree that there's some. There's probably some stuff in there that. you would need an NDA for.
00:34:04.69
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:34:04.80
Keith
the But the truth is that. building the construction of a of one of these data centers, especially the new modern ones that they're building now. are We're talking about thousands of local jobs. Thousands.
00:34:17.63
Keith
Thousands of people will will make money, good money. Okay, not just, you know, not just the the carpenters and the electricians and this and that, but everybody across the board, the whole support system of a construction site. This is what this is what I know is is construction sites, you know, and for a small. um you know, kind of a facility that that I would have built or been part of building.
00:34:39.22
Keith
It takes thousands of people. These data centers are going to create so many jobs now. the downside. Once they're built. They only need a very very small staff to run.
00:34:50.80
Keith
It's mostly just very highly skilled.
00:34:51.00
Jeremy
Right.
00:34:53.86
Keith
a handful of technical people and security and maybe some janitors it's very very Very small.
00:35:00.44
Buddy
They'll have to have more security staff than they will have to have this from the research we have
00:35:00.75
Keith
um
00:35:04.56
Keith
I greg agree.
00:35:06.23
Buddy
that still have a larger security staff than they will.
00:35:06.47
Keith
Yep, I agree.
00:35:09.75
Buddy
And. they have like small fire crews they're like maintenance men but they're they're trained
00:35:14.24
Keith
Oh yeah, yeah.
00:35:15.92
Buddy
trained in fire maintenance and stuff. uh But like you said, thousands down to a hundred you know overnight. um So...
00:35:25.38
Keith
Right.
00:35:26.37
Buddy
But...
00:35:26.55
Keith
So in the short term, though the local community will definitely benefit. Another way for a benefit, I'm just playing devil's deils advocate here. Another benefit you get from a data center is A,
00:35:38.10
Keith
a very better a very highly advanced um electrical and and ah and infrastructure. your Your electrical lines, all your electrical coming into your county, whatever it is, are going to be beefed up. They can't stop running. They don't stop running. If something goes down, they're the first ones to get fixed.
00:35:56.61
Keith
When it comes to these things, these are these are multibillion dollar facilities.
00:35:56.54
Jeremy
Mm hmm.
00:36:00.62
Buddy
Yeah.
00:36:01.02
Keith
So that's a plus.
00:36:00.97
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:36:00.85
Buddy
and
00:36:01.39
Keith
you know That's a big plus.
00:36:03.54
Buddy
Yeah, the line from the substation to them will be fixed and if you happen to be somewhere in between that. substation than a liner grate. You're covered.
00:36:14.13
Buddy
But if you're not...
00:36:14.36
Keith
Yeah.
00:36:16.26
Buddy
You know, there's only so many linemen out there, and I know this because of linemen and family and and friends. And. the there are priorities.
00:36:26.76
Buddy
Death. They go by. the, you know. as
00:36:29.60
Keith
Oh yeah.
00:36:30.51
Buddy
You know, and these. data centers will have priority so you know once they're up and going then they'll go back to the normal citizen so if you're if you're in line
00:36:37.97
Keith
Well, all emergency crew... Go ahead.
00:36:40.80
Buddy
Yeah, if you're in line in that line out too, which I think they'll have dedicated lines. honestly um and there's this is one of the transparency things that we we Couldn't find.
00:36:51.20
Buddy
Oh. was you know okay so they promise they make all these promises that they're going to bring in you know all these jobs and in this and that Um, But... One of the things that...
00:37:03.80
Buddy
They said they were going to, you know. improve roads that are going to improve the electrical system but When you peel back the onion and all the stuff that they're proposing, you look at their proposals.
00:37:14.04
Buddy
It's all. Straight to them. So the roads going to Their facility will be... Um. you know. improved you know so some of the rural areas that have really shitty roads like in this area will be improved so that's a plus if you live along that area Great.
00:37:32.94
Buddy
power. Um, Their power will be, you know, increased and stuff, and there'll be substations out here, but everybody thinks, oh, you know, and they make it. sound like.
00:37:43.64
Buddy
You know, we're going to bring all this stuff into your school systems. We're going to do this. We're going to do that. You know, your your infrastructure for your little small little town is going to be better. but Basically, they're taking care of themselves.
00:37:56.72
Buddy
from what we found.
00:37:56.72
Keith
That is true. But let me let me let me throw something else at you.
00:37:59.35
Buddy
Yeah.
00:37:59.74
Keith
And I agree with 100 % of everything you just said. But an enterprising state, an enterprising county. When they agree to – because all this stuff is done through offices.
00:38:12.15
Keith
They have they had the power. To say, if you're going to build this line in here, you're also going to fix all the lines in this area here. They can make these stipulations. They can put these into the contracts. They can say, you're not going to build this data center here unless you do this, this, and this to all of these roads and this and that and that. They're going to. All of that can can be put into the contract.
00:38:33.95
Buddy
Yeah, and it can also be eminent domain and for instance one of the local ones here
00:38:34.76
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:38:39.33
Buddy
that's within a half a mile They not only bought that. Oh. hundreds of acres a half a mile away from here But they bought across the county line, which is adjacent to it a couple hundred more.
00:38:53.09
Buddy
So they were either going to expand it or... If... the city inside the city limits if they voted it down then they would just stick it across in this other county, which they but they're making progress on it. It's not a city.
00:39:07.100
Buddy
It's more of a county area rural county area. So they've already started working on that. So Pretty much, and we have a guy on camera. Uh... saying that, hey.
00:39:20.52
Buddy
It's going to happen whether you guys want it or not. It's either gonna happen in your city limits where we can come over here and help the infrastructure. or it's gonna go across the street. across the county line.
00:39:32.48
Buddy
And. But it's coming here. and And when you're talking about, okay, well. Ooh, they don't have it half a mile away. It's just across the county line. Oh. that's ah Instead of being a half a mile, that's...
00:39:44.22
Buddy
three quarters to a mile away. So...
00:39:47.69
Jeremy
Well...
00:39:49.10
Buddy
Tell me you know.
00:39:48.73
Jeremy
therere the You know.
00:39:50.35
Buddy
It's gonna happen.
00:39:50.59
Jeremy
Go ahead sorry.
00:39:50.80
Buddy
So I mean, come on, you know what What do you do? And and then that's what everybody everybody's... not necessarily they love to get on their phones they love to get you know.
00:40:01.83
Buddy
that immediate satisfaction of you know shopping or or getting. information or whatever but they just don't want it in their backyard. I mean, people move to these rural areas.
00:40:14.43
Buddy
To get away from the cities and all the bullshit that you you have in these cities and that's I think that's where everybody's caught up and you know their panties are in a bunch. there is They just don't want it in their backyard.
00:40:25.29
Buddy
They're they're not opposed to them.
00:40:25.69
Keith
agree Agreed 100%. And I agree with those people. If I knew that a data center was going up anywhere.
00:40:28.86
Buddy
the
00:40:31.72
Keith
close to my area, I'd i'd put the house up for sale that day.
00:40:35.06
Buddy
Yeah.
00:40:35.45
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:40:35.55
Buddy
And so.
00:40:35.37
Keith
That's it. That that day, it's it's getting sold.
00:40:38.83
Jeremy
What?
00:40:38.56
Buddy
So I mean, you know.
00:40:42.31
Buddy
You know, they they asked this guy. The guy from the representing this company. Um, who they're very transparent and very uh non-transparent and they're very kind of sketchy And this guy, you could tell he's just... you know dancing around. He has a team of attorneys with him when it comes to talk at the you know city council meetings and stuff.
00:41:03.72
Buddy
And. you know One of the things, they just refuse to disclose a lot of things. well it how much does your water for instance how much does your water uh consumption For one of your facilities or how about this one and they just well we can't disclose that You know, it's like.
00:41:21.22
Buddy
Like you guys were talking earlier, everybody signs the NDA. And. You know, it's it's ah it's a big cap secret, you know. But, um... People just don't want them in their backyards.
00:41:31.88
Buddy
They're not opposed to them.
00:41:32.40
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:41:35.07
Buddy
ah he was asked, this guy was asked a question. Would you want, would you want this in your backyard? And he goes, Oh, I wouldn't mind. uh they're not that bad it's not the boogeyman well then they went out there and said okay well You know, we'll take this to a vote now, but we want you to build a house right across the street from it. And you have to live here for five years.
00:41:55.20
Buddy
And. He goes, well, I'm not moving my family out of Atlanta, Georgia. So... you know.
00:42:01.64
Keith
Well, look, the the data set has been around for as long as the Internet's been around. Okay, we've needed these things for as long as long as forever. Uh, when it comes to technology and the older ones are horrible. Let me play you a sound bite here. Hopefully this plays.
00:42:17.76
Keith
this is one of the older facilities i'm not sure how long it's been there maybe the guy says it but it gives you an idea of what. this what the sound is like
00:42:55.99
Jeremy
I would. I would automatically. start slapping. every square surface of my body, assuming I'm being swarmed by mosquitoes. That's exactly what that would sound like to me
00:43:08.75
Buddy
Well...
00:43:08.85
Keith
Yeah, that that would that would drive me absolutely crazy, man.
00:43:08.97
Buddy
and
00:43:09.90
Jeremy
Okay. And it's...
00:43:11.73
Buddy
I was reading something. oh Go ahead.
00:43:13.87
Jeremy
Well, no, i was go ahead.
00:43:15.61
Buddy
I was just reading some some data I got earlier that... Peoples. property values overnight go down.
00:43:22.97
Jeremy
m
00:43:23.57
Buddy
And I got friends. in this area that door. For instance, one guy just... built a nice huge house and it's it's probably over a million dollars. he He's a successful business guy. and bought some land.
00:43:37.54
Buddy
But, you know, he just got his pool in like three months ago. And. They're dumping this. he um I shit you not, he can throw a rock from his backyard. He can sit in his pool.
00:43:48.54
Buddy
and throw a rock and hit the land where the data center is.
00:43:51.42
Jeremy
Jeez.
00:43:52.64
Buddy
you know, and so
00:43:53.03
Jeremy
That's crazy.
00:43:54.59
Buddy
You know um But... You know, I have friends that that own. Windmills. and so i'm like hey how how you like those windmills you know kind of being a you know little dick like i am and And he goes.
00:44:07.04
Keith
ah
00:44:07.60
Buddy
you know what for that Every 30 days I hate it. Every hour but one. Or I love them, or I hate it every hour but one. And I go, okay, so what what do you do in that hour are you that you actually like? He goes, I'm going to cash my check.
00:44:27.79
Buddy
he goes all the way to the bank and back i'm loving it but the rest of the time i hate it because it's an eyesore you know there's problems with them and stuff he can't He can't.
00:44:30.72
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:44:33.60
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:44:37.22
Buddy
Put cattle on them or do you know a lot of things around those areas. It's just dead land doing now.
00:44:42.37
Jeremy
Yep.
00:44:42.96
Buddy
but
00:44:43.06
Keith
let's ah Let's take a look. Go ahead. but Go ahead, you said butt.
00:44:46.52
Buddy
No, I'm just saying, you know, it's Good. People are... They're... they're gonna make Nobody wants them. Okay, I'll just say it.
00:44:55.12
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:44:55.41
Buddy
Nobody wants them in their backyard. That's just bottom line.
00:44:58.93
Jeremy
Well it's interesting that you were talking about Virginia earlier. Um,
00:45:02.68
Keith
Virginia, yeah, but they had the most in in our state. In our country, sorry.
00:45:05.49
Jeremy
Yeah. And there is a website, the National Parks Conservation Association. our npca .org and they have an article it's entitled battling data And there is currently a proposal.
00:45:21.12
Jeremy
to Buy up. and put in the worlds. Not just the state, but the world's largest, they're calling them data campuses now.
00:45:33.59
Jeremy
And they're actually thinking about. buying up and putting this data campus into a historic battlefield. So they're actually talking about possibly putting it into Manassas National Battlefield Park.
00:45:50.40
Buddy
fuck
00:45:50.61
Jeremy
and And they're also talking about possibly doing another one near Prince William Henry Forest. which these are extremely historic sites going all the way back to the founding of our country.
00:46:04.24
Jeremy
Um, And these things, you know, these these areas require that. Essentially, any human remains. that are protected in a protected status.
00:46:17.22
Jeremy
from those battles. They. could potentially be exhumed. never having been identified or anything like that. um This could also potentially mean that any existing buildings. or in embattlements from the original battles that took place there would all be removed and destroyed.
00:46:36.56
Keith
That's messed up, man. that You gotta protect that stuff.
00:46:39.58
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:46:39.73
Keith
You have to protect the history.
00:46:41.22
Jeremy
Yeah. and And, you know, depending on where you go and how you search this whole thing. um There are more sites that are. ah in the negative about um these data centers. This one from here is called foodandwatch .org ah or food and water watch .org it's entitled the top 10 reasons data centers must be stopped um There's another one called earthjustice .org.
00:47:09.09
Jeremy
And depending on... you know how you look at it. Google, you know. it'll give you both sides and i'm constantly hearing ads here in north carolina about you know how these data centers are paying for themselves like But this one right here is entitled Earth Justice.
00:47:28.47
Jeremy
the The name of the article is what you need to know about AI data centers and the picture that they show. you know it's seemingly this super high-tech picture uh you know a building but i'm looking at the picture and i'm realizing That was the proposed picture of what it should look like.
00:47:46.66
Jeremy
and Then they show all the steam and bullshit coming out of it. like all the fumes and nastiness that are coming out of these things and i'm like well that's That's pretty gross.
00:47:56.58
Keith
ah Yeah.
00:47:58.51
Jeremy
um there's another one right here called southern environmental law center um and it's called the data centers descend on the south In rural Virginia, broad coalitions unite to say no thank you to data center mega megacampus. And there's a picture of this.
00:48:16.60
Jeremy
i i think this is a softball or baseball field and right next to it is just this enormous complex. It's a data center that's literally right next to this baseball field.
00:48:29.00
Jeremy
So...
00:48:29.93
Keith
Yeah.
00:48:30.58
Jeremy
they They need huge plots of land.
00:48:30.74
Keith
Well.
00:48:32.96
Jeremy
And when you start
00:48:33.36
Keith
Yeah, they do.
00:48:34.59
Jeremy
When you start talking about. you know, destroying historic sites. I mean, where does it end? like How far are they willing to take it?
00:48:44.62
Keith
Well... So I'm looking at something here from Virginia, which I pulled it up again because Virginia is the state with the most, I mean, by far the most of data centers. And it says here that.
00:48:55.100
Keith
ah Public support is declining. They're saying that. 35 % of Virginians support building new data centers, which is a steep drop from what it used to be, which was 75%.
00:49:08.23
Keith
Okay, that's a big drop. of up So, obviously... they've learned They've learned their lesson. of What I'm reading through that, through the you between the lines.
00:49:16.18
Buddy
And they've been there the longest, I believe. that's
00:49:18.76
Keith
Yeah.
00:49:18.66
Buddy
from what i I've heard in my research is virginia was some of the first ones
00:49:24.21
Keith
Yep.
00:49:24.48
Buddy
So there's actually...
00:49:25.21
Keith
Yeah, it was
00:49:26.23
Buddy
Data to work with you know they've got lessons learned in there That uh...
00:49:30.49
Keith
Oh, yeah, for sure. ah They're saying uncomfortable neighbors. I said around 59 to 62 percent of residents report feeling. uncomfortable with a data center in their local area citing negative community impacts rather than economic benefits. so This is coming from a state that's done it.
00:49:48.95
Keith
You know, they've been there, done it. So if you really want to know. pros and cons, and you should look at both. pros and cons, because right now we're using one of the pros. On this podcast. We're... You're hearing this podcast because. of a data center.
00:50:05.76
Keith
that we can't we can't We can't sugarcoat this. We all use it. Every one of us uses it. When you check your bank account, you're using it. When you call your your mom, you're using it.
00:50:16.85
Keith
That's just the way it is. So ah let me show you another let me play another one here. uh this is the the one i thought i was playing with the sound this is a guy who's got he's he'll He'll say it, but it's kind of short. Listen to this.
00:51:07.79
Keith
And you can hear the data center in the background.
00:51:14.81
Keith
And in this video, he's standing on the deck of his house.
00:52:06.93
Jeremy
well
00:52:08.07
Keith
Here's a guy named Sam Altman. um I'm not sure if he's for pros or cons. I listened to a little bit at the beginning. I'm going to play this one.
00:53:19.57
Keith
And this right here is Mike. We'll talk about this stuff in a second. here It's right here is Mike Rowe, which I love Mike Rowe. And he he's apparently for them. So let's see. It's really quick. Let's see what he says.
00:54:15.78
Keith
Yeah, so... And. and So... Man, so how do you you know how do you wrap your your head around it? you know we need this is a It's a necessary evil. We have to absolutely have to have it. And to go into the future that we are definitely going into with AI and everything else, we're going to need a lot more of these things.
00:54:33.88
Keith
What exactly are they? Well, they they are basically a building could be could be the size of like, let's say, a super Walmart. Completely jam packed. with computers. And every single thing that you do on your computer goes through that.
00:54:48.43
Keith
Everything. You stream a Netflix movie, it's going through that. Everything. goes through a data center. And so everything we do. relies on data centers. So For me, I think that it's going to be important for each individual local.
00:55:04.73
Keith
community. that's proposing getting one of these is to actually set them set the rules, set the guidelines, talk about know what type of technology are they're going to be using. Is it going to be one of these new modern ones that have closed loop water systems where the water goes in and it's just used and used and used and it's cleaned and cooled and and you know just like the radiator in your your vehicle.
00:55:26.56
Keith
You don't have to keep putting fluid in it, but every once in a while you have to service it. Okay. And the sound thing. The steam thing, okay, losing the steam. They don't they wouldn't be using the the steam pressure and and all that to to cool them. this This closed-loop water system would take care of that.
00:55:42.28
Keith
and then you got your noise if you know if you can if you can somehow figure out a way to drop the noise where where you can't hear it or soundproof the area i don't mean like a lot of um A lot of times when a a highway is going to be put through.
00:55:57.59
Keith
a a community or. a community is going to be built near a highway they put these giant walls that are like 25 30 feet tall up and they've got decorations on them, and they're kind of, you know, some some are like space-age looking. and They have different designs and patterns. Those designs and patterns and all that are soundproofing.
00:56:14.73
Jeremy
hey
00:56:14.96
Keith
People driving on the highway don't even realize that that's what that is. Those are specifically designed. paneled Walls? that but that block a significant amount of noise from the traffic Away from.
00:56:28.98
Keith
the neighborhood that's on the other side of the wall.
00:56:31.90
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:56:31.93
Keith
They got to figure out these things. They got to plan these things. And more importantly, the communities that these are going to be going to, they have to demand. These things. Or they say no.
00:56:41.22
Buddy
Well, you know...
00:56:41.52
Jeremy
yeah
00:56:42.17
Buddy
It's funny you say that, demand. There's actually a town in Oklahoma that... wanted one. And it was unanimous. and it It was kind of like... What are these people thinking?
00:56:54.06
Buddy
And I guess they got ahead of the curve and and did a bunch of the research and stuff. and and it they're set up for success there. I mean, everything sounds Good. Now.
00:57:04.62
Buddy
You know what I mean? um But... you know I guess time will tell.
00:57:07.95
Keith
but but but they're But they're coming.
00:57:10.08
Buddy
Yeah, and here's here's the deal. you know like i said nobody wants them in their backyard We all agree that we need them. I guess, you know, i it me me and Keith do.
00:57:19.42
Keith
you have to you have to
00:57:20.76
Buddy
Yeah. but you know nobody wants them um In their backyard. And I had a a Native American friend who who said... Mm hmm. He said, you know, the best place for these would be put them on a reservation. I'm like, are you kidding me?
00:57:36.62
Buddy
He goes no. He goes, we we would take them. uh Most the... the tribes would take them. because of just the money that would they would pay us.
00:57:45.92
Keith
The money. they would become they they would become wealthy compared to them.
00:57:47.87
Buddy
We have the land we have But he goes, it'll never happen because, you know. they'll never they'll never put them on a reservation.
00:57:57.15
Jeremy
Yeah.
00:57:58.33
Buddy
So, you know
00:57:59.52
Keith
I don't know how reservations work or how the politics go or even if they're temporary politics. I don't know. Like like with the president. Presidents are temporary. You know, I i don't know if it's.
00:58:06.92
Buddy
It's just the optics of it is what he was saying optics wise uh you know because
00:58:08.95
Keith
it Is that what it is?
00:58:13.96
Buddy
There's so many negative. You know.
00:58:16.64
Keith
Well, you get then you have to ask, you know. ah Casinos, pretty damn negative. Drinking, debauchery, ah ah you know gambling habits, and and all that sort of thing.
00:58:23.10
Buddy
Yeah.
00:58:23.31
Jeremy
easy
00:58:27.12
Keith
but they're also built to.
00:58:27.23
Buddy
but it does generate a lot of money and
00:58:29.34
Keith
A lot of money and jobs and health care and all that kind of stuff.
00:58:31.72
Buddy
End. kids Kids go to school for free. You know, I have a friend that when he turned 18, he got something like 30 grand and that was back in the 90s. uh, from the tribe.
00:58:41.01
Jeremy
Here's the thing with...
00:58:42.61
Buddy
you know just
00:58:42.85
Jeremy
Here's the thing with a reservation if you want to see what socialism failed looks like it's Go to a reservation.
00:58:47.40
Keith
Heh.
00:58:48.70
Jeremy
Seriously.
00:58:49.05
Buddy
Yeah.
00:58:49.87
Jeremy
That's exactly what it is.
00:58:49.89
Keith
You're right.
00:58:51.85
Jeremy
um But I do have one final point just from from my end. um looking at a couple of different maps side by side. the more data centers that we have. there's also been a significant increase in those areas of flock cameras.
00:59:10.47
Buddy
Hmm.
00:59:10.37
Jeremy
So...
00:59:11.53
Buddy
That's a good point man
00:59:12.88
Jeremy
Yeah. I and.
00:59:13.85
Buddy
Very good point.
00:59:15.21
Jeremy
I started thinking about that and I was like, you know. there's There's a flock camera map up there. And I've got this map of all these data centers. I wonder what the correlation might be, and you can just see it.
00:59:26.19
Keith
So what what do what do you think the correlation is?
00:59:27.29
Buddy
I bet you.
00:59:29.18
Jeremy
Um...
00:59:30.64
Buddy
Man, if you overlay that, I bet you they just lay right on top of each other. that that
00:59:34.10
Jeremy
Most likely. Most likely. um
00:59:36.29
Keith
Do you think it's for surveillance or do you think it's for control?
00:59:38.46
Jeremy
Sir.
00:59:39.36
Keith
or
00:59:39.68
Jeremy
surveillance control security
00:59:42.38
Keith
around a data center. I know what they're for in other places, but.
00:59:45.16
Jeremy
Yeah, I mean around the data centers, anywhere, anybody approaching the data centers.
00:59:45.23
Keith
around it yeah
00:59:51.85
Jeremy
like what business does this particular you know country bumpkin family have, you know, doing over here on our side of the town, blah, blah, blah.
01:00:00.98
Keith
Right.
01:00:01.27
Jeremy
It's all control. you know it is um I think. the the entirety of the flock. system needs to be destroyed and dismantled but
01:00:09.93
Keith
Oh, flock is coming.
01:00:11.94
Jeremy
Oh yeah.
01:00:11.78
Keith
I'm telling the listeners right now.
01:00:12.68
Buddy
Oh, it's already here.
01:00:13.78
Keith
No, and no, I'm so telling the listeners. ah We're doing a show on this because this is big.
01:00:18.89
Jeremy
Oh yeah.
01:00:18.97
Buddy
Oh yeah.
01:00:19.00
Keith
We're we're doing an upcoming show on on this flock, and it's ah hopefully we'll have some subject matter experts ah in to talk about it as well. ah But no, you're right. Data, I mean.
01:00:29.51
Keith
it's It really is about. It's about control. I mean, even the data centers themselves, if you think about it. because we don't You wouldn't want... Every single country on this planet to have nuclear weapons, right You wouldn't want that.
01:00:42.85
Jeremy
and Right.
01:00:43.44
Keith
But you sure as hell wouldn't want to be the one that doesn't have it.
01:00:43.85
Jeremy
Now.
01:00:48.44
Jeremy
It's better to be a a warrior in a garden rather than a garden. gardener in a war kind of thing.
01:00:54.33
Keith
there There you go.
01:00:54.74
Buddy
Yeah.
01:00:55.12
Keith
There you go.
01:00:55.73
Jeremy
You know?
01:00:56.53
Keith
And that's what's happening with the world. The world is data now.
01:01:00.08
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:01:00.09
Keith
It's all about data. And AI has changed everything. AI is going to be the the world, if if not already, the world will be run on AI, 100 % completely on AI.
01:01:12.05
Keith
And AI needs massive amounts of data. I heard something just yesterday and it blew my mind. Walmart. is putting together i'm not sure when this is going to happen but they are working on this shopping carts. OK, that monitor your.
01:01:27.27
Keith
You're, uh... Monitor your heart rate, the temperature of your body, the movement the movement patterns of where you're going in the store, when you're stopping, when you're moving faster, all those other things.
01:01:31.89
Jeremy
let
01:01:32.02
Buddy
god
01:01:38.00
Keith
And it's going, everybody who's walking, you know, moving with a cart or holding one of these. these, you know, no baskets or whatever. It's all going into their system And what happens is.
01:01:50.63
Keith
The system. is going to use AI to decide what your habits are and get this. Change the... pricing on things. to subsequently make more money due to that.
01:02:01.83
Buddy
Yeah, they're already doing that.
01:02:03.58
Jeremy
Well, I already know.
01:02:03.100
Buddy
that Walmart's already doing it.
01:02:05.97
Jeremy
If you walk into Walmart, always turn off your. make sure you turn off your wi-fi put your airplane your phone in airplane mode and turn off your bluetooth
01:02:15.54
Buddy
And with that, just stick it in a Faraday bag and leave it in your car.
01:02:15.77
Jeremy
And. Or yeah, he's a fair to bad because right when you walk into the entrance of. ah you know some of your larger walmarts especially but When you walk into a Walmart now.
01:02:26.94
Jeremy
look on the doors and you're going to see a qr code and that qr code has it says on there privacy notice or privacy, whatever it is. As soon as you walk in.
01:02:38.64
Jeremy
They're gonna tap into your phone's Bluetooth or your Wi-Fi or your data and And they're going to track you. across the whole store. And they're going to tailor ads on your system or your phone or whatever device that you happen to be plugged into.
01:02:55.61
Jeremy
based off of where you spend time in that store. So like when they recently changed.
01:03:00.50
Keith
That's crazy man.
01:03:01.62
Jeremy
Yeah, when they changed our Walmart here, I literally knew where every item was that I ever needed. Then they changed it and it changed my my pattern. so When I learned about that. um i i am Now, every time I go to Walmart, I...
01:03:19.31
Jeremy
i take time and i actually dismantle that stuff or i've got i've got an actual faraday bag that i can just slide it into So.
01:03:26.60
Keith
That's pretty wild. And you know what they call this? It's called surveillance pricing is what they call it on this program that I watched.
01:03:30.23
Jeremy
Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:03:32.72
Keith
ah One of the surveillance pricing things that are out there, this all has to do with data, which is all going through data centers very quickly with AI. Another thing, that all these all these different companies are thinking about it now, like Uber.
01:03:43.37
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:03:44.10
Keith
Check this out. Uber. Knows. And if you have the Uber app on your phone, right, you have to have the app in order to call an Uber. An Uber is a ride home. Okay.
01:03:55.17
Keith
that What they do is on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights when when the nighttime life is really active. what the uber app will do is it and if it says on it that you that when you click on it you know Here's the, what do they call that when you you... Click on this in order to have the app. What's that?
01:04:13.95
Keith
You agree to these terms and conditions, right?
01:04:15.37
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:04:15.50
Buddy
Yeah. the rental hearing or whatever.
01:04:16.13
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:04:16.37
Keith
Okay. Well, one of the things in there is that it monitors. your battery. And what happens is... When he notices that your battery is getting low.
01:04:27.57
Keith
It raises the prices. On the Uber Rides. In the system, because they know they have they've calculated that when batteries in cell phones run low. People go home.
01:04:38.37
Jeremy
Mmm.
01:04:40.64
Keith
That's just what happens you could be out And and eventually it'll be all week. It'll be all day, everything. And they know that when people's batteries running low, that's usually the end of the, whatever they're doing. Oh, I got to get back to the house. I got to get back to the car, whatever it is. I got to get back and and plug my phone in. And that's, that's just something that we, we don't even think about.
01:05:00.06
Keith
You know, hey, it's like how many times you said, yeah, I got to get back to the house. I can plug my phone in or something like that. The phone knows it. Uber knows it. And when that happens, it automatically raises the prices behind the scenes. You don't even see it happening and you pay more money.
01:05:14.47
Jeremy
That's crazy.
01:05:16.28
Keith
surveillance pricing.
01:05:16.44
Jeremy
That's fu- Oh my gosh. And it's so weird because I'm sitting here. in my in this spare bedroom that we have that I record in. And right here on the shelf on my desk is a copy of 1984 looking at me.
01:05:28.78
Keith
Mmm.
01:05:30.28
Jeremy
And I'm like, and we have arrived.
01:05:29.98
Keith
Yep. Yep. Yep. Who is it, Alex Jones, that always used to say the answer to 1984 is 1776, baby.
01:05:39.49
Jeremy
Oh yes. Nice.
01:05:43.11
Buddy
Yeah, just...
01:05:43.45
Jeremy
Nice.
01:05:43.70
Keith
Yep.
01:05:44.42
Buddy
When does all this end? you know And how does it end?
01:05:47.29
Keith
When the robots take over.
01:05:47.41
Buddy
it Well, and... and
01:05:50.93
Jeremy
When the singularity is achieved.
01:05:50.91
Buddy
It's just now starting to build. So how big is it going to get?
01:05:52.92
Keith
Yep.
01:05:55.27
Buddy
you know How many data centers do we need? you know you've Are they going to start adding on a second floor to all of them? you know after they take
01:06:01.76
Jeremy
This is this is what I this is what I believe. I believe. That. the further that we push AI. the more data centers will be needed until the moment of the singularity, which you guys also talked about on that episode.
01:06:18.02
Jeremy
in which AI achieves. Uh, self-awareness The moment that that happens. humanity. Humanity is done.
01:06:29.51
Jeremy
And.
01:06:30.25
Keith
The fighters got to come out. The the prep their preppers, the survivalists have got to come out. The people who know how to hide and evade and fight. They're the ones who are going to are going to. They're going to be the resistance.
01:06:41.40
Jeremy
I don't know how old we'll be, but
01:06:43.40
Keith
we won't It won't be during our time. It'll definitely be during our kids' time. AI is going to happen during our time. that the The takeover is going to happen. But the big fight, I think it's going to take longer.
01:06:53.05
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:06:53.06
Keith
I don't know
01:06:54.06
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:06:54.66
Keith
The big fight's going to take another decade or so, but in the next couple of years, this is all going to come.
01:06:55.03
Jeremy
Well.
01:06:59.80
Keith
it can't The problem is this, man. It's it's like a... It's like when you roll a... a ah ah snowballed.
01:07:07.17
Jeremy
Joint. um
01:07:08.09
Keith
sarah Now, if we all roll joints, everything will be fine. The whole world will just calm the fuck down.
01:07:11.88
Jeremy
Right.
01:07:12.14
Buddy
ah
01:07:13.64
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:07:13.38
Keith
No, when you when you roll up.
01:07:13.83
Buddy
That's what they want us to do.
01:07:15.47
Keith
A snowball down a hill and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. You can't stop that. It can't be stopped.
01:07:20.65
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:07:20.63
Keith
That's the problem with AI. These data centers that we're talking about, they house. hundreds and hundreds of supercomputers.
01:07:28.33
Jeremy
Yeah.
01:07:28.48
Keith
not computers. Supercomputers. And supercomputers are the next you know the next gen kind of a thing. there're you know For a long time, they were like, oh, there's no such thing as supercomputers. It's tinfoil hat stuff. It's not going to happen. it It is, and that's what they use in their supercomputers. They do way more.
01:07:45.22
Keith
than the computer sitting. on your desk way more and now you've got the quantum computer. I don't know if you guys have have watched have looked into this, but... quantum Quantum computing is coming.
01:07:58.43
Keith
And that will change. but That will change life as we know it when it happens.
01:08:03.96
Jeremy
yeah
01:08:04.40
Keith
um They already have them. They're already using them. They already have them built. And you can go online and you can watch the videos of the people taking tours and looking at them. um And they're they're in their infancy right now. But you know how computers use...
01:08:16.91
Keith
a binary code, which is zeros and ones. Okay. Do you know that? Okay, so binary code is a zero or a one.
01:08:22.72
Buddy
Yeah.
01:08:26.33
Keith
And everything on in in digital code is a zero or a one. And what the zero or the one mean is a switch. a light switch on your wall. You flick it up.
01:08:37.24
Keith
Let's call that a one. You flick it down, you call that a zero. That's all that zeros and ones is. It switches on and off, little switches inside the chips. that are inside the the computer chips.
01:08:48.38
Keith
quantum computing. Next level bullshit here. Quantum computing. Every single zero? can also be a one. Every one can also be a zero.
01:09:00.44
Keith
And it it is lightspeed. Literally, literally lights bleep. Not just. You know, figuratively, literally light speed. of computing power.
01:09:09.22
Jeremy
wow Wow.
01:09:12.38
Keith
It can do what? ah whole you know You ask the question, how big are they going to get? Are they going to have two stories? Well, when you get these quantum computers, you won't need it. You'll need one or two of them.
01:09:23.85
Keith
For the whole entire thing.
01:09:25.55
Buddy
Well, I hope they they do like they did with the chip.
01:09:25.36
Jeremy
That's crazy.
01:09:27.54
Buddy
You know, the chip used to be... you know, huge And then. they shrunk it down. to make it smaller to you know where it's
01:09:34.12
Jeremy
yeah
01:09:36.15
Keith
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:09:37.29
Buddy
So hopefully...
01:09:37.06
Keith
I mean, look, I heard a. I heard a piece of of, I heard a little stat years ago that, do you know, those those um greeting cards you get at Hallmark card where you open them up and like some music plays or something.
01:09:49.49
Keith
There's a little chip in there that does that. I heard that that little chip that's in those those cards. has more computing power than all of NASA. had when it sent The ship to the moon.
01:10:02.11
Jeremy
Right.
01:10:02.35
Buddy
well that's that's obvious
01:10:03.18
Keith
In that tiny little chip.
01:10:04.77
Jeremy
And people still believe we landed on the moon.
