A Conversation with Saul Paul--A Musician with a Message

This episode takes a dive into the life of musician, educator, motivational speaker, artist, and humanitarian Saul Paul.  In this episode, he explores lifelong lessons and wisdom to our Social Shade Tree Community that are educational, inspirational, motivational, spiritual, and timeless!  Sit under the proverbial "shade tree" with us as we explore how these lessons can be used to transform us into better humans!!

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thes and opinions expressed on the social shade tree do not reflect or endorse its participants or affiliates of use. Some issues may be sensitive in nature. Listener discretion is advised. Views and opinions of Johnny Neil, the second, and Melvin Carter the third the host are theirs. By listening, you agree to hold the host harmless. The social shade tree is created for informational and educational purposes only. Listeners are encouraged to seek their choice of legal, medical, financial, tax and or other professional advice as it relates to their situation. Happy listening. This is John O'Neill on the Social shade tree and I got with me Melvin Carter and I want to start out by giving an introduction. Miriam Webster. That's the dictionary for the folks out there gives a couple of definitions for defining the tower. They define it as a bird and the now well, today we're meeting with an individual who has towered to success in many industries, and those industries are just limited to music producing, acting, corporate speaking. But he's got a lot of community service, and he half the experience as well as the education to bag both of them up and So he's faced many imposing towers in his life in me, imposing towers in his life. And I want to introduce today to a few people, but known to me already. My good friend, Mr Saul. Paul. Ms. Saul. Paul. Thank

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you. Think that, uh, intra Right there, man, that was That was nice. I e I need to copy that review,

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brother, if he called me, you know, I can I can hear I can introduce you onstage. I ain't no shame in my game. But, man, What I what I wanted to do was have a conversation with you and mailed it under our proverbial social shade tree with Saul Paul by way of a T X by way of H town. So could you tell us a little? Could you tell us a little bit about yourself in the mail? Little china And with some questions from the dirt to where you are now.

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I love it. They're closed. Born Texas raise up a generation. Houston went to college and ousted. Oh,

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yeah,

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Well, moved to l. A. Moved to Atlanta, but they're purposely chose back. Move back. Move back to the live music capital. Uh, I'm a musician with the message Ah, artists, activists and entrepreneur. I decided a long time ago over a decade ago that I wanted to change the world literally. No, please say no how. Probably, um God changed my life and I was like,

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Okay, I want

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to change the world. And I was looking for a way to do it, and I realized that I had this gift communication, Whether that was through song or two speeds I started there wasn't a job fit for me to apply and get so I created my own, created the company called softball Productions. Uh, I started writing songs and presented speeches. Key knows specifically, um, initially just started sharing my story. How transition from tower to tower from prison. Incarceration to college graduation. I went from four police to a four point out.

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Oh,

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and it's initially my initial primary focus was were specifically young people, actually, black and brown males. Uh, Jesus. Seeing the high schools, I felt that that was, uh, the most important call your group for Mito. Reach

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out. Still,

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because I felt like they were

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actually

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crossroads on any. I'm not communicating. They needed to hear what I had to say, uh and I focused on that and that, um, that's Bill. Nobody. He wasn't just limited thio, even though I would have been happy if you would have just been 11th and 12th graders. Singers are singing the high schools at risk you males, but it ended up being hospitals and middle schools ADM entry. Then all use whether they were quoting for at risk or

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whom privileged

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whatever it was then that led to being invited Thio, nonprofits, accomplices and then corporate, uh, corporate keynotes. And it worked. It worked on me because my heart has always been for people. I wasn't big on the boxes in the first place. I just started that one group was being overlooked. But as a whole, I know that I have a unique story, but I have a universal message. So my goal is to just said that So that's why I became a musician with the message. Doesn't cool. Dave along the way tried to become a especially a successful entrepreneur or make a living doing what it is that I do support my family. It's cool. Dreams represent through Ted talks for the fire, Simple balls on America's Got talent. And most recently, early a couple months ago, I got to the Grammys of the official Grammy nominee for the first time. So

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I see. That's so so you said So. You've done a lot. Melvin probably wants to ask the question. Maybe about some wisdom. And then we'll kind of go back to your beginning. I think your grandmother was influenced. My grandmother was very influential to me are Then we'll mail where you Yes, Male. But what would you go ask about? Wisdom? Definitely. Uh, we know that Solomon asked the wisdom, but put sauce sounds like us. He asked a lot. You ask for some wisdom. Also, your brother. What do you get these wife starts from? I mean, what do you do you, uh, who would you say was most influential in your life and getting you to the level that you are now

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levels to? Ah, the simple answer is guy, same place. Follow me, guys. But I tried to be a susceptible as possible, so I know some people gonna stumble on that. They can really relate to that. So practically, um I don't know, but God is practical. Was well, but, uh, what I've learned, like, some of some of the books that I was some of the people that I read practically

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out

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destitute Jax is the awesome individual. Some of the first leadership books I started reading or by John Maxwell. Um, but yeah, it's just really, really Ah, a gift. And that's a big deal, right? Like that's That's one of the things that I actually ah, promote is that we're all born on purpose with a purpose. We all have unique gifts and talents. If we all have actual gift, we just have to recognize what ours is. That's why I love it. I was talking to somebody recently, and, uh, we were reminiscing on Al Anon, you know, at a novice in when he was in his prime in MBA, it was famous for saying Frank

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getting that practice.

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He was so gifted. He was he was breaking Michael Jordan's ankle and

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an

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MBA, right? But because he had a gift like people missed that way, they get caught up in the the sign of it. But the truth is, we all have gifts. Whether that might be athletic, whether that might be academic whether that might be a person can just cook down, nohow. They could somebody the leader of that gang leader. They lead a Fortune 500 company like them. I had to shoot me gifts. Somebody's good, naturally good and live. Somebody else's good in writing. Someone is an empire. They can feel people's emotions. We all have these unique gifts. Often we don't build our life around it. Often we spend time coveted and worried about other people so we don't recognize in Polish hours. So me, I always had a gift. I was always smart. I was so smart. I got arrested by the FBI about 17 years old.

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Wow. Hey, could you a packed it a little bit full brother,

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right? Yeah, Well, everybody in my neighborhood sold drugs. And so I saw you. I sat back. I pounded like other people, said drugs. And I realize what they sell drugs to make money. So it's really not about selling drugs. It's about making money.

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So

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may I never saw drugs. I just figured out how to make money. And I was like 16 years old, actually 15 when I started 17 when I got caught. But I used to make canopy of money, and then

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you may count the

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money and didn't sell that I would make fake money and sell it for real money. Right?

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I was

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just really about making money, But that was a great great example of how the young you from a bad choice. That was smart.

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It's just that I was smart. I didn't

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mean that. I couldn't make dumb decisions

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just because I made some

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decisions that in me, and I wasn't smart. Um, but anyway, yeah, so

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wow. So what do you mean? Because you were smart. Didn't mean deficient,

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Smart. I mean, I couldn't make dumb decisions.

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Wow.

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And it's what we lose A lot of use that, um just because I was because I'm a dumb decisions. That didn't mean I wasn't smart. A lot of the usual thing make dumb decisions. Call it what it is, but they're not of a sudden it's thought that the people that lead on the people there uh, yeah, yeah. People that lead on the most encouraging. Also, they called make until dawn. They use themselves. Think they, Dominus like me? Uh, something. I can't take credit for that. I was born, I was ready by an angry My grandmother was amazing. So she always encouraged me, Shall he Told me I was smart, so I never really even I'm a lot. A lot. A lot. Don't decisions. I knew I would dunk. I knew I was making dumb decisions. Uh, so that allowed me when I finally got my mind. Right. Go ahead and walk into my you know what my purpose and said that me and caught up worrying about thinking I'm done. It was like, OK, playtime is over if I make a dumb decision and I started making better decisions.

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Wow. My brother, you talked about two things. It's two things that I know. You talked about gifts and you talked about purpose. How early did you recognize your guilt? And when did you realize that that that gift was your purpose?

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Yeah, sex is, man. Um, I was in prison. I was in the pen attention

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when I laughed and I laughed at you.

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I'm laughing because I like right now a way don't put unquote like down. I laughed because I'm like, this is not locked down. I'm sitting in my house.

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Yeah,

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uh, all types of controlled air. Ah, nice TV. Streaming service

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is, uh, food in the

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fridge. I'm doing my

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best,

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and people call it is black. Now, they were in my toilet paper, uh, tribute.

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And it was

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like I was in the penitentiary. I know. We're locked down. Really? This is

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not

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like down. So that's why I had to laugh. But also, when you really unlike doubt, you don't have a lot of these nice distraction like me. And I was sitting in the penitentiary, convicted of four felonies, had 10 years. I'm in the penitentiary. And that's when I discovered I had a gift. And I realize that I have free will. I realized that my life was some sort of the choices that I've been making. I wasn't imprisoning. God punished me, wasn't in prison because because I was My reality is right. I wasn't it. Like when I grew up. I don't have a mama. My mama died when I was three. My daddy loved I never knew him. He was gone before I was born. My mama died when I was three. I was a foster kid, my grandmother, doctor, me. She raised me, but she raised in extreme poverty. Food stamps. So security. Um uh, yeah. Foods have himself security. I was, like, on a fixed income that they fixed, but really, we were broke. So he raised

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me. I drove

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a little wood house sitting on break. Um, but yet here I was when I when I went to the penitentiary, I realized it wasn't because it all circumstances and one because I was black wasn't because of racism. Ah, wouldn't system went even the mayor, right? Like it's some mythological do calling the man. If I ever meet him, I'm gonna come up because the only some now I was in prison because of my choices. So I'm sending prison. I realized, like I made bad choices, so I got bad results. I also realized if I made better choices, I would get better results. But anyway, I'm sitting in prison, and that's when I discovered like, Oh, my God, a gift. I had gifts, but I wasn't using them. It really It wasn't It was in prison. I got the seat. You know, I started to study the word story in the Bible and making playing. Make it make sense to me, so I would see somebody like salad. You know something? Your wife. I've been blessed, but he was blessed because of his father, David Practical. He wasn't really none. Solomon, dear, like a

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fancy. Sampson was

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blessed, but it really wasn't under. He did it. It was born to be blessed. Uh, me. I feel like my life was blessed even with all the adversity I've been through, but probably telling that my grandmother, I think I'm blessed because her and I had a deal. I know she was a praying woman. I know. She looked out for me. She passed away, but her legacy. And so it was after I got out of prison and then I went back to college. I went to college going to UT Steve's University of Texas at Austin, and then Ah, that's what I got a hankering I have you ever asked me what my gift was? I didn't know to like post penitentiary. I was in college. I was working on Well, I was working on something that actually, because there's a very succinct story, let me try to answer the question. Very single. I got out of prison I used to watch Kurt Warner. This was the season when Kurt Warner was in the NFL. He had his murder miracle season. He went from playing a relieved football to be in 1/3 string quarterback on the worst team, one of the worst

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teams in the NFL, the

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ST Louis Browns. They were like 2114 season before he came that he's a and I'm going like 49 to 13 3 Whatever they go to the playoffs. Kurt won

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a

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storm for like 400 yards every game. I usedto watch Kurt Warner on Sunday night. SportsCenter recaps. I need watching game

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recaps. And I remember watching

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Kurt won. I don't know who he was this point right? But you know who's you win the world. They love you. So you got to do if you want the water left, you'd be good at something. So he was winning so they would put the mike in the face. And it was like Kurt Warner, you're a man amongst boys. You're a guy that much. Man. How did you feel? He was second groceries a year ago. Now you just threw for 500 yards in the NFL and seven touchdown whatever. You know, whatever stats work he would ever say was real calm. Real cool. He would just say I like to think, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and my wife, they

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would gather him up.

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Now he would ever say it Next week. I'd like to thank my lord and savior Jesus Christ in my life. That

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was my

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mind at that time in my life. But I've understood that I had the epiphany, and I was like, Wow, God, I just That's what I want to do. I get it. I cracked the code, right? I get it. Uh, the world. What? I remember my prayer. I was like, I was gonna be good at something. I wanna be good at some. Ah, I can't say I know one way, Like like the world is like one big bopper. You know, that's that's lamer. Using Houston, actually, yeah. You can keep report out. You don't give me no parameters. I don't know how we talk on the show, but I know eight down people's like like regular people. They say door like an eighth. We say dope, right? People say four in

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eight

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weeks a fault, right? Some people say whore, and I like to say I believe that Oh,

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you

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know, it

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was like the

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world. It's like one big whore. And if you succeed, then the whole world like and I

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was

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like, OK, I don't want the horror like, uh, not because I want the affection of the horse. I just want them to

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pay attention.

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Really? I want the world to pay attention so I could tell him about how my God, it was like, this is not I was like, if I'm great in their pay attention, I saw him go over Kurt Warner. I feel do it with everybody. People matter, R Kelly, but as long as he was singing and selling tickets, the CD, that was good.

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Wow. So you D'oh! So so you do the jet I mind tree you. Hey,

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I had to life by fair. I mean, I went to UT and graduated with a four point. Oh,

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who?

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Okay, that's the end of the story. It's not a story, and we'll check this out. I also went to the penitentiary and still got four felons. So was there. People wouldn't judge me on my head, but I promised they still do so. Like my life was fair. I wouldn't be journals from the African American male in America, but I still am

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Cypress

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Fair. My mama would die when I was three. I'm

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gonna be here.

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I wouldn't have been raised or my life's not fair.

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Uh, so,

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yeah, I had

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to do again.

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I'm I think I'm, like, uh, detective thing

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over. Guys, I gotta figure out how to get my create my own. Wow. Uh,

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I figured if I was good at something, we feared out of the time. I mean, that's why we got the president. We got trying to figure it out. I mean, this is because the two of you, uh, but people

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like rich people.

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So he was rich for a long time, sir, but I like he never fails. And everybody like famous people. Uh, moon. So you know how? Okay, well, he was rich and famous, like, right?

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So when

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when they voted for nothing. Talking politics. I know people get distracted with my process at this point, but practically, um, when they said we want somebody knew we were right to think about it is that we want somebody new. We're not going to drain the swamp, get somebody different. I don't want a tissue on the businessman and office. Okay? Why you mad? Because he tried to open the country. A lot of people down, Ugo, you got what you want.

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Wow.

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What? Hey, say, would you say that? He also said this principle I'm not that information

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s Hey, this is the social shade tree. That's real top. Who mailed it? Man, I think you'd have met. You are the brother man. I know. I got my heart on the line. Okay? I'm just I'm just I'm so jealous. And to hear you know, man speak with so much wisdom. Really? Uh, it's impressive. And it's and, you know, I just look back and say, you know, God's been working, you know, he's been working. He's been working on these young brothers. I've always said that young, our young people are most powerful people that we have because they fear none. And if we move them in the right direction, we're talking about having some giants of this earth. They're gonna wasn't You're gonna be You're gonna make the change and I see you making the change, brother. I see you. You turn it that negative into a positive and then flipped it back from negative to positive again just to show the world that you can do what you do, you know? So I You know I'm a fan, bro. So, e I mean, man, this is Buddhist is rich. Do this. This this is Richard and pound cake with with vanilla ice cream.

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You made my heart

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so so basically Like all of us. You been riding on a prayer that was prayed by previous generations from your grandma and cause my card, Miss Collins is what you said I had a big mama. My big mama was her tree and big big mama used to say you find a fool, you leave with food. I was like a big moment is deep, but I didn't know that. It knows that deep at the time. And so is you start to move through life. You start to know who you can associate with who you shouldn't associate with. Eso kind of unpacking that a little bit between you. You you not time. Really? But between your during your journey from going to four felonies to a four point. Oh, um, kind of tell us a little bit about your vision of how you came up with the title of the title records. I know that's a little bit. That's kind of jumping ahead. But all that's in there with what you just said, because that was part of the inspiration for having tower the tower to. And I know interview viewers are supposed to ask questions. It's long. So you have titled Italian and now you go. And now you go to this thing that you got called me the change kind of kind of undress all that a little bit fools

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I love cool. So let me fill in the blanks thing is what we need to be so yet grew up. Uh, something got arrested by FBI. That point is key, because ah, I always had this potential. I was always smart. I made bad decisions. I got celebrated more for doing wrong that I did for door right? Who? That's why we have to change culture. Right? So I

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was

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I was just focused on doing wrong, stretched after my grandmother passed with my grandmother raising said. I was 17. She passed away. I feel like it's me against the world. My reality was it was me by my lonely me against the world. Um, I graduated high school, got an academic scholarship, went to UT. So I leave Houston. I come the ouster. I didn't have life skills. That's another reason why I do what I do. That's what that's that's necessary to know about be the change. And these young people have a life skill, that a lot of potential and a lot of talent. But I don't have any practical life skills, so I get to college. I did everything I shouldn't do. Then do what I'm supposed to do. Took three semesters year and 1/2 a flunk. I'll lose my scholarship. Can I go to prison now? I'm sitting in prison when I'm in prison. I had a life change. I went from side of power. I just go where I was born on park was with a purpose. So I tell you, my choice to save my life, I get out of prison. I go against the grain thing that got me in trouble. I'm hardheaded and stubborn, right? So lucky that became a benefit. Because now the world is telling me I'm trash. I'm a failure. I should be happy if I could get a job making little way somewhere. Know something, Be happy. Lucky

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my

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grandmother. So different season to me. So that just registered. I didn't know what even like I was bold and different. Things like that just don't make sense. I won't raise like that. That's why she's so good things. It's a young people when they're young. So anyway, I get out of now. I'm hardheaded and stubborn starts to go back to you see, even though they told me I couldn't, I'm on parole. I get back me, you ti Umm Paro graduate from UT with a full point. Oh, that's always. I worked for four presidents to a four point. That was a big deal. The big deal is when I got out on parole, though, because we don't parole that basically legal slavery. It's not fair. It's challenging, I promised Get off parole was harder than making good grades at a great university center where I get off parole, and that leaves us too. Okay, Cool. Now, uh, I'm gonna go change the world. How do I do it? I got a job working in a cave. You and Austin, Texas? That's a affiliate. They were amazing. That was my last corporate job was good. It was an experience that I needed. I didn't know it, but it allowed me to have, uh, some perspective and experience. So I worked there for years. I resigned, left those platinum handcuffs, gave up my benefits, give up my salary and my purpose. Ignorance is bliss. Luckily, at this point, it was just me. It wasn't married yet. Didn't have a family. Um, I was living up the hope in the coat and grind and all, but I was feeding my spirits, and I would go serve people change lives. Um, And then that's when I started rapping, just like mixing into my

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presentations. And then that started.

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Ah, clips everything. I would do this music, and it's a It's a point that I make. I love the show. Any audience members listening younger. Oh, because because because you live along don't mean figured it out. If we're being really got You know that, right? I

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don't have time.

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Don't time don't heal wounds. getting knows you like. No, you don't. You lose it all if you don't deal with that, right? Uh, time? No, it will just cause you grow old on me, you

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grow.

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So my felt, uh, I'm just point, I'm like, Okay, cool. So Oh, so I started rapping. So the thing about the gifts is I like to say there's a key question you to see our audience. Uh, this is how you can identify. Uh, you can identify what you get. What? You're gifted. Okay, you The question is okay. I know people just got scared. Not any corona

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that ate the Roman, I think the roller.

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I don't know. They they also love. Yeah, plus. Plus, we did this over over Skype. Set out to the Microsoft Partnership comes uh

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So what

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happened? Waas. So do you figure out like what I do as well? So that's what you're good at without trying the other people try to do. They're not even have good. I'd like to say it three times. It was really long. I think about it like cause we were confused with passion. Anytime my passion so much. Just like what are you good at without trying. Other people try to do, and they're not even half good in answer to that is your gift. It's a gift, because, like, just like, uh, I can't tell the secret I know you're gonna give away some books, right? That's also

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go ahead and tell him that way.

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Shut out. The digit digital. Say three. I'm saying it wrong.

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Social shade, tree

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social. So you say social.

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So since a treat. But we like

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they're right. They're right. Social shade tree.

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You

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think it's taking social safety, right? So, social strata social saying treat on lookout. Go get a gift. I mean, you're gonna give some that you have nothing to do with. It was just free is gonna be given. They'll decide that given. See what? They don't give you a gift. You didn't earn it. It was given. That's what the gift is, right?

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Right. When

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we were born, guy gave us gifts. We didn't do No. He was born with a natural resource. Like oil is in the heart. It's a natural resource. So I realized like, what are you good at without trying? The other people try to do it and not even happens Good as the question you've been asked to figure out What? What? What do you give to that? And me? Like I didn't even take the music seriously. I was just, you know, do some off the cuff improvisational freestyle. And I would just see I started to notice how people responded to it like they just were really drawn toe really drawn to it. And then I realized it was a gift motive in there, So I realize it was a deer. And then I realized the wise thing to do would be to build around my gift to the float. It was natural and inspired me and empowered other people on the spot of the people. And so I built around that gift, and I was like, Okay, why I gotta start? Ah, record label we first started was a record label. We've mork a couple times. Initially, it was reroute records. There were out music group, and most recently, we change the name to just saw Paul production because it's like, back in the days, have eight tracks and they had vinyl than the two sets. Then they have CDs now, extreme right, Like things changed, and it was like So it's not about just CDs anymore, but it was about the content. Um, and it just worked like young people on This is InGen music is truly universal. I'm amazed at how had the opportunity to travel the world. Uh, just sharing my gift of music and writing these songs that entertain, inspire and empower

spk_1:   28:09
you there. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess that's that man. I'm telling you. So So So it was interesting, that idea. I read your bio, brother, and I see like I say, I'm a big fan of you of what you do. Can you give us a sample, man? This kind of you know, since we're on the subject just a shade tree, get a sample of ah, of something. You work or baby maybe blesses with a nice too low pull Palmore rappel or something that that kind of you know, that people know this is what you do.

spk_2:   28:46
I know. When I was talking, I was I remember I had freestyle came to talk about music and shit, you

spk_1:   28:52
know? Hey, let cannot jump in real quick.

spk_2:   28:56
So what

spk_1:   28:57
can I jump in real quick?

spk_2:   28:59
How they go. You said you're going to be

spk_1:   29:01
o. I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do some now. Now, now What? Miller? What was Saul Paul does is a whole lot better than this. You know, I had to work all week on this one. But check this out, man, and then you flow and just show me upon my own show. Okay? I call this one hurt. I call this one turntable brothers. And this kind of live with what we say This is turntable. I say God turns the table from improbable with him. All things are possible. Solemn. Just look to the sky, seek his face. Listen for the call the animal and traveled from immeasurable miss with a limited success through time like infinity measureless endless success. Ban. Okay. Yeah,

spk_2:   29:58
that's right. That's everybody else. You know

spk_1:   30:00
what? Yeah, that was really tough. Right there.

spk_2:   30:05
That is I love. Ah, impossible. Improbable. You gotta listen. The guy catch audible

spk_1:   30:12
about me. That's right.

spk_2:   30:13
I guess I used to see you

spk_1:   30:15
right

spk_2:   30:15
now. You gotta have a beer. But even here, like those who have ears to hear, hear

spk_1:   30:20
you cow. So So when we first met finding

spk_2:   30:26
now The last time I'm reminding that you're supposed to go on tour with I

spk_1:   30:31
remember this, right. So So, So So So So Brother saw Paul. I will give you what? What? How many words can I give you And you and you flow like you do.

spk_2:   30:44
Um, I just I wanted to win, too.

spk_1:   30:48
Uh, too much of the bonus work. 22 words and a bonus work,

spk_2:   30:55
but to want to Marvin What? You get two words, Johnny. You get two words and then weigh

spk_1:   31:01
a mail to get to work. Also saying loans work. Okay, so So I will say my two words are untouchable, untouchable and lovable. I'm gonna go with wisdom and struck. Oh,

spk_2:   31:29
all right. Untouchable, lovable. With whom? And struggle.

spk_1:   31:35
All right,

spk_2:   31:36
you ready? All right, Now we need a polish word like, now we need Ah, yeah, yeah. Suddenly don't make sense like snot you like.

spk_1:   31:47
All right. Okay. Okay. Uh uh uh. And we're gonna do this in automobile with this. Just just the two of us.

spk_2:   32:02
Okay, Well, you see, we got wisdom struggle, unlovable. What's the other word?

spk_1:   32:08
Struggle. Untouchable, lovable wisdom, struggle, untouchable, lovable wisdom struggle. Any ingested two of us,

spk_2:   32:19
all right along, you know, with a little struggle, lovable, untouchable. And then Ah, just two man deal with with.

spk_0:   32:31
Mmm.

spk_2:   32:32
That's the motivation to John. No Bill with Ben even know how to play the guitar. So

spk_1:   32:37
I thought Wow.

spk_2:   32:38
Thirties. Yeah. Hey, looking pretty guitar, James. And it starts. Wow. Yeah. He didn't start using. Correct. You get, you know, nowadays, like you have you have you over 16. It's too late. It was like that damn tool. But don't worry about that dead. He retired early. Everybody else keep chasing the dream and chaser. I mean, he called it, you know, he did it. And once it wasn't like he liked in Ah,

spk_1:   33:06
he

spk_2:   33:06
sat back and let that go. Yeah, the personal is the right. Uh, he wrote songs that the whole world seems all right. We'll see. Yeah, yeah,

spk_1:   33:19
yeah,

spk_2:   33:20
yeah. I had to be crewed up.

spk_1:   33:21
Yeah,

spk_2:   33:23
okay. Cool. We've been a struggle, lovable. Just do it by myself. Chyna ground. Trying to find my world. I started to realize you got a good part of this trade that I got my health. I realized that I had a big model pearly college Let me Big trauma when she cant been It's a big drama. She the reason why I know that I'm a

spk_1:   33:59
succeeded making

spk_2:   34:00
straight for struggle Make it to the top float like the bubble baby saying how do you do that town while was born so that you could play it so he could even through that I'm lovable? Yeah. So that I thought you knew that I'm gonna bring a full circle. My bad. Did I do that? Just like I will? Um EDA and I'm still living, like, two decades now past. But that's the reason why I'm here in these wives were given out. I'm taking out four words. I hope I'm doing what I'm doing taking what was given And I keep living 19 striving actually, more than that I keep driving. I closed my eyes by 30 fucking drive that I'd be going and getting deep. Fucking guys that staying in this word, talking all 66 books. Some people just be in proverbs. I got all the my work. That's the reason why I would be to change after Gucci gets its final Great. Even when I'm estates, I noted it so great. So,

spk_1:   35:07
uh yeah, that's the year. That is a give

spk_0:   35:13
Whoa!

spk_1:   35:15
What a blessed man. This is all of the chain struggles.

spk_2:   35:21
Lovable. Um, I know you can't touch. No, no, you

spk_1:   35:25
did. You did. You did. You okay? Yeah,

spk_2:   35:29
I know the game. Where? Okay,

spk_1:   35:34
See, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that, man, But I'm I'm grateful to know people who can do it exactly.

spk_2:   35:43
They won't make the dream work.

spk_1:   35:45
Yes, sir. So

spk_2:   35:47
they got the opportunity to be on the show. And we would all realize that, you know, like we are the body. We are supposed to play a role. We are the out on the same team that people say stuff. Make a cliche for Vinny Del carry weight. Like what? Somebody said. How you doing? Actually, after they questioned interviewed crazy photography.

spk_1:   36:06
It's just like I know

spk_2:   36:12
what you're talking about, right? You You're saying something. How you doing? You want really asking you were not concerned with

spk_1:   36:19
how you're engaged.

spk_2:   36:22
You're not engaged with the truth is that we all got a role to play way. Skip that. That Jake commandment. That one of those checks Member says I should not cover.

spk_1:   36:31
Yeah,

spk_2:   36:31
I was worried about the next minute.

spk_1:   36:34
Who said I'm warning. We got true. We did. Then we

spk_2:   36:37
realized we man.

spk_1:   36:40
Wow. So So, brother, will we go do for our for our offering? We kind of with the church. What we gonna be was awful. Five. Saul, Paul. I think it's be the change books. And if people hear this up at this at info as social shade treat, I called the 1st 5 people that hit us up with that. Well, I they'll respond in me and I'll, you know, responding kind of you and send me their address and that you'll send them will be assigned autograph book.

spk_2:   37:14
There's gonna be a signed autograph book. Uh, especially the bits are fresh off the prints.

spk_1:   37:19
What

spk_2:   37:19
changed that? My latest memoir, I'm Boo Gento. I'm get over Everything I do is Bujji. Somebody set up

spk_1:   37:27
e I just write

spk_2:   37:29
autobiography. That sound based. I wrote a memoir. Uh,

spk_1:   37:33
and it's really my testimony s I went from

spk_2:   37:36
four pennies, So four point. Oh, by my story of transformation, um, yeah, it's a story behind the story.

spk_1:   37:44
Okay. And how can people reach out to get in touch with you, brother. They want to book you and do concerts and all that kind of stuff. Maybe have him out of school happen. How can they reach out to you for that?

spk_2:   37:55
My name of Salt Paul s a u L p A u l. They can contact me at softball dot com anywhere on social media. It's with a Facebook instagram anywhere else. Everything saw Paul and my email address of softball at softball dot com.

spk_1:   38:12
Okay. Okay. Well, I appreciate that. And we we will get this after to the people. I appreciate all the work you've done. We didn't unpack. Everything in this 35 40 minute interview is too much. You I do wanna add this. On the heels of the 52nd anniversary of Dr Kean being assassinated, you've done some work in Charlotte, North Carolina. I

spk_2:   38:38
got it. Okay.

spk_1:   38:39
Yeah. And significance to that community, is there. They're very inclusive, man. But you've done some work with the parks and Recreation Department, and I don't know if a lot of people out there know, but Charlotte has some history problems with bussing and segregation in the seventies, and they had a Supreme Court case that actually integrated schools through busting. And so it's nice to see full circle how they come around and doing wonderful things in their community. Thank you for being a part of that. Any other out. I

spk_2:   39:12
would like to shout out the parks and rec directed, eh? Mr Lee Jones is the parks and rec director after American male, who is ah, quite proactive and making sure that, uh, that that had the integration happens and people will serve everybody treated equal.

spk_1:   39:32
Beautiful. Well, thank you, brother. Anything else, Milton? Yeah. I just want to say to my brother, Thank you so much. I get this brother got really with the struggle because we know the struggle is real. Definitely. You're an inspiration, Thio. Hold a whole generation. All right? And with that, we will see you under the social shade tree.

spk_2:   39:59
I think about what

spk_1:   39:59
happens out out