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Ep 51: MMA Conspiracies Unleashed - Mysterious Alliances and Rumors in the MMA Arena

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What if I told you that the some stories behind MMA fights are stranger than any fiction? From weight cutting to motivated acquisitions, this episode of The Clinch Podcast promises a whirlwind of speculation and entertainment. I'll kick things off with a recap of UFC Macau, where Petr Yan's precision gave him the upper hand over Davidson Figueiredo's unpredictable style, sparking a discussion on how fighters must continually evolve to maintain their edge in the octagon. Then I'll make you imagine Dana White and Joe Rogan as the masterminds behind a series of outlandish schemes.  We'll also plunge into the murky waters of fight fixing. This episode is guaranteed to keep MMA fans on their toes!

As we wrap up we'll dissect the origins of the PFL and the strategic maneuvers that could result in a monopoly. Listeners are encouraged to weigh in with their thoughts, theories, and even their own conspiracies! Get ready for a rollercoaster of theories, laughs, and thought-provoking discussions in this episode of The Clinch Podcast!

Speaker 2:

what's up guys? Welcome back to the clinch podcast. I'm your host, shay, and I don't think I've ever been more excited for an episode than I have been for this one. I mean, I was. I was super excited for my Conor McGregor episode. That one was really fun to put together, which, by the way, let me know if you guys want a part two of that. I'm so down to do it. If you guys want to hear a part two, so hit me up on any of my socials. I'm on Twitter at Shaolin Shay, and Instagram as ShayMyName, with two Y's and Shay. So go ahead and let me know there what you guys think if you guys want to do that.

Speaker 2:

But for this week, we are putting our tinfoil gloves on. I know it's kind of corny, just bear with me, I'm like that. If you know me, you know me, and if you don't know me, now you do. I come up with things sometimes and I love conspiracy stuff and I love MMA, so what a better thing to say than tinfoil gloves? So first, of course, we're going to go over the outcome of UFC Macau, but just super briefly, because I do want to get into the meat of this episode. Oh, it's so good, I'm so excited and we're going to start by talking about some just kind of skeptical situations. One of them is even just a little funny silly conspiracy, but then there's one in particular that just sent me deep, deep down into the rabbit hole. So I'm really excited. But before we get into it, I just want to say don't forget to subscribe and leave a review if you enjoy this episode, maybe even share it with a friend, because I really do want to grow this community. I've got some fun plans for the show. So don't be a gatekeeper, don't do it. No, I'm just kidding, but seriously, let's get into it. So first let's talk Macau.

Speaker 2:

I had some right picks. I had some wrong picks, but I do just want to focus on one fight, and that was Davidson Figueiredo versus Pieter Jan. So this fight went very differently than I expected Not very differently Depending on how you look at it, but I did have a lot of fun watching it. I actually liked seeing how I was wrong. Doesn't happen a lot that I actually like it, but in this situation I do. I definitely did. I definitely did.

Speaker 2:

I was super happy to see Vintage Jan back in action. He showed up with technicality, with the speed, accuracy, rhythm, all of that, and he just looked really sharp in the fight and against Figueredo's unpredictable and what I would call unorthodox style. Jan's precision made the difference there, but I still think that Davison did his thing, no doubt, in my opinion. I just think his pacing worked against him in this fight, with Jan's sharp tactics and more methodical approach just being too much against such an irregular rhythm, which I, of course, of course I, of course I'm just kidding I definitely had the idea that Jan's style would have the opposite effect on Figueredo, that he just wouldn't be able to find a way to play in that rhythm. But he definitely did, and that irregular rhythm, like I said, just kind of worked against Figueredo. So that sucks, fiorito, so that sucks. My dog is playing with the ball in the background. Hold on, okay, back, anyways.

Speaker 2:

So I do think that this fight challenged Davidson to think about evolving his style a little bit. I think he enjoyed about himself the fact that he was able to catch opponents off guard for the most part with such a irregular style. So I think now he will hopefully see this as an opportunity to evolve that and make it work with him instead of now working against him. That's just how the fight game works. That's what I personally saw when ron Rousey came back, when Giuliana Pena came back that there were just adjustments oh my goodness adjustments that needed to be made so that these fighters were able to adapt to the new level of competition that their opponents were coming in at. So I think it was good learning. It was a good learning exercise for Figueiredo. He just needs to add some technical refinement so that he can elevate his unpredictability, because I love unpredictable fighters. I love fighters that fight wild, and you know they're just wild cards. So I I hope he doesn't lose that. I don't think he ever will. That's just his, the essence of how he moves. So I just think if he sharpens that tool, he'll keep improving. But hey, big props to Peter Jan for such a fantastic win. I was enjoyed watching it, that is 100% sure.

Speaker 2:

So now let's dive into the fun stuff, the MMA conspiracy theories. I've got a few wild ones for you today and I'm just so excited to share them, because some are just hilarious or have hilarious aspects to them, while others just make you go no, unless, unless they did. At least they did for me. So I hope that you guys have the same reactions. I'm pretty sure you will, because this stuff is just so good, it's so wild, so I'm going to go ahead and start with a few chill ones.

Speaker 2:

So my first theory or not even my theory I was just looking on different platforms for what people were talking about, and the first one that I found that was super interesting was that Dana White told Hamza Chumaev to come in overweight against this fight against Nate Diaz, on purpose. Now hear me out on this one. The idea here is that Dana White wanted Hamzat to come in over the weight limit so that they could switch the card around. Why Some people think that it was to avoid a potential lawsuit and bad press was what I'm seeing. And also that Nate Diaz had been saying all week that he didn't want the fight with Hamzat, but he only signed the contract to get out of his UFC deal. And I can see. I can see that completely, because Nate Diaz is also a businessman, a very good businessman, and he knew exactly what the UFC was trying to do to him.

Speaker 2:

There's other fighters who have been in the game a long time that they don't recognize that this is what's happening to them, like guys such as Tony Ferguson. I think we'll use him as an example. I think he might know, cause he's definitely not dumb, but I think he just gets lost in those decisions, whereas nate diaz was some is someone that will be like no, like, I'm not doing this, I'll play your entertainment game, but you're not going to jerk me around on a legal level Like. I have a whole team, I've built a few successful businesses, so I'm not just going to sit here and let you jerk me around on this contract Like you do other people you know.

Speaker 2:

So it's just kind of a known thing that happens to fighters when they've been in the UFC for a long time. They they just get stuck in these fights that create I don't even know how to how to effectively describe it, but it essentially is just a big deal, because part of the UFC's class action antitrust lawsuit which is also super interesting is that essentially they hold fighters to their contracts as like hostage and force them to take tough fights while keeping them locked in. So this just generates a lot of money for the UFC because they are picking these guys that are newer and taking less money and pinning them against guys who have been in the UFC for a very long time and have built their. I don't think they are able to set. Maybe they are able to set rates themselves, or their lawyers are able to set rates, but they've basically added zeros to their name. So when they pit these two different kinds of contracts against each other because that's how the UFC is looking at it right they're not necessarily looking at it as Nate Diaz or Hamza Chimaev. They're looking at it as this Diaz or Hamzat Shumayev. They're looking at it as this check versus this check. And how can we maximize the profits for these cards? So by doing this, they're just able to save a buck, because they know that they're setting up these fights that people are going to see Because we love vets and we love big names and we also love new fighters. So they essentially are just being held hostage to these contracts so that they can get locked in at certain prices or certain payouts.

Speaker 2:

So I just thought that maybe this is possibly true. It could be a great thing Also to keep the pool of challengers challenged, like, if you want to look at it that way. But when Tomfoolery like asking someone to come in overweight is just floating things like that are floating under the surface we start to get into murky water. So I'm a little on the fence about this one. On one hand, dana isn't exactly above pulling strings like that if it suits the UFC's interests, but on the other hand too, what I thought about is Hamza has missed is difficult. None of it is particularly easy, but it might be just extra difficult for Hamza to make 170. I mean, he's a big dude, so I wouldn't be surprised at all. So essentially, I believe the essence of this theory, but I just don't think this particular situation itself has enough evidence to back up the claim, just based on what I found.

Speaker 2:

Let me know if you have some more solid proof. I would love to see it, but we can circle back to this once the details and documents in the antitrust lawsuit are released, if they aren't already. I didn't see any court documents regarding the antitrust lawsuit are released If they aren't already. I didn't see any document or court documents regarding the antitrust lawsuit the new one that, um, I guess was approved or whatever. So we can definitely dive back in if you guys want to do another conspiracy episode. But it's an interesting theory though. Right, I thought it was. So let's go ahead and jump into theory two, and that is that the UFC will never get rid of weight cutting because it results in more knockouts. Now I think this one's a bit more plausible, like theory two, level two kind of thing. We all know that the weight cutting process can be especially brutal. We've seen documented footage of many fighters shivering all toweled up.

Speaker 2:

When I used to train, my Muay Thai instructor was training for a fight and I was just you know in training, was training for a fight and I was just you know in training, wasn't training for anything specifically, but he had me spar with him while he was wearing a sauna suit and it was so gross, it was so efficient, but it was so gross. Like, shout out, kit Ruddock. I am not sure what he's doing now, but he was part of Killer Bee MMA. Uh, I mean, that was just. That was just such an experience. I was like huh, like you, okay, and he's the type of person. He doesn't really explain things, you just you know, if you train under him, you just do it, which I like. I like that a lot. I usually am someone who asks a lot of questions, but when I'm training or when I was training, that was a zone where I had a lot of peace, so I didn't really feel the need to know things, if that makes sense. So I think a lot of people who train will know exactly what I mean. But just slipping all around in his sweat while trying not to get smacked while sparring with him which is crazy because, mind you, like he's good, I'm, I'm just his, his student, you know so, and I and I had just started training, maybe like a few months before that. So it was just a cool experience now that I look back on it.

Speaker 2:

But we know that weight cutting just bleeds into all aspects of the fight game. It's a huge part of preparation, insane part of preparation. So we all know that. You know fighters will take, will cut, extreme amounts of weight if they are naturally walking around at a much higher weight than they compete at. So when a fighter is trying to cut 20 pounds, 15 or even more, it kind of does play into the knockout factor, even even though fighters do rehydrate and replenish before the fight. If you don't know, usually, if you're, if you're listening to this podcast, you are familiar with the uh, the structure of how the UFC does its pre-fight media. You've got a ceremonial weigh-in, but in that morning you have like your actual weigh-ins where they're at like a hotel or the arena or whatever. However, wherever it takes place, they weigh in and then they have their ceremonial weigh-ins and this all takes place the day before the fight. Um, it's pretty fun to watch it. They get super animated and it's pretty fun, you know. So, you know, ceremonially, ceremonially, I think it's a fun aspect of the UFC, but it also just kind of creates like a perfect storm for these wild moments in the cage.

Speaker 2:

But do I think that the UFC is intentionally keeping weight cutting for that particular reason? I don't think so. I personally don't think so. It could be a possibility, but I think I just don't think the UFC really necessarily needs to keep weight cutting to generate excitement. It's more of just like a tradition. It across any discipline really. You've you have weight cutting, you have weigh-ins, you have, um, you know just all that stuff that that has to do with weight cutting. It's you see it, you see it across wrestling, you see it across jiu-jitsu, you see it across judo, karate and all of those. So it would only make sense to keep it in the one organization that encompasses all of those disciplines. So I think that this one's just kind of far-fetched, I don't know, let me know what you think.

Speaker 2:

But Theory 3. This one's just kind of far-fetched, I don't know, let me know what you think. But theory three Now this is the. No, it's, it's not the one, but it's a funny one. It's a funny one.

Speaker 2:

So the this theory is that Joe Rogan is Dana White, is Dana White? Oh no, this one just cracked me up. So, of course, this one is just pure satire. It just made me laugh when I, when I saw this, but basically during an interview on her YouTube channel, a lady named Sage Steele, who used to work for ESPN, accidentally called Dana White, named Sage Steele, who used to work for ESPN, accidentally called Dana White, joe Rogan. She goes what does Joe Rogan want? When I tell you I was cracking up during that whole clip I mean, it's like the way Dana White just kind of is. It is a jerk towards her about. It is just like clowning her, like that was just so brutal. It was so funny, though, because she, she really meant it with her whole, entire soul. You can just see it in the way that she. She relays that that sentence. So what does?

Speaker 2:

joe rogan want like and he's just like. Did she just call me joe rogan? Did she just call me joe rogan? She thinks I'm joe rogan flew three hours and she thinks I'm joe rogan. Like that was so funny. If you haven't seen the clip, please go watch it. It's so great.

Speaker 2:

And I'm sorry about the loudness in the mic. It was just that's how they talk. So that's how joe rogan aka dana white talk. But no, um, I think that it's. It was just that they're both bald. Bald, it's just the bald men, they're just bald men and sure they have a lot of, you know, sway in the MMA world. But I think that's just where the similarities end.

Speaker 2:

I had to just give my opinion, even though this is a completely satirical theory, but really just the bald head, I think, is where their similarities, kind of their, their bald head and their enthusiasm for the fight business I would say fight gay, but I think business is the more appropriate term, especially with Dana White. Um, and plus, dana's always got that serious look, or if he doesn't have like a serious look, he has like this weird grin he does. It's just his smile, is it's interesting? And then joe has that vibe going on where it's like he's always tripping on something. He just always looks like he's tripping on something. I mean I can't wait for my podcast to be up on YouTube so you guys can see my imitation of, or impersonation of, joe Rogan. But he just always has those wide eyes Like he's staring deep into, like the back of your head, your soul, and he's just like, yeah man, yeah man, yeah man, the fights were awesome. Yeah, mushrooms, you know. So it's like I don't know, that one was very funny. But you know, hey, imagine if they were the same person pulling the strings behind the scenes. That I mean, hey, any, anything could, anything can happen in this crazy world, anything.

Speaker 2:

So anyways, theory four is that Donald Cerrone, cowboy, took a dive against Conor McGregor. So this one, I think, is a little more spicy. And look, I'm not saying that it's 100% true. I'm not saying that it's 100% true. I'm not saying I know all this stuff I'm saying is alleged, including my next and last theory, but I just wanted to throw that out there.

Speaker 2:

But I've always thought it was weird how quickly Cerrone seemed to crumble in that fight. I mean, it's not like he was super stellar in the era he was in at that at that time, you know, he definitely was on a bit of a decline already. But the shoulder strikes from Connor were just really weird and almost like too perfect in like an entertainment standpoint. Like I remember how he looked when he was throwing those shoulder strikes and I mean it looked like showboaty kind of I don't know. It was just weird. It was bizarre. They just didn't seem like a legit way to take someone out so quick or to cause as much damage as it was being portrayed as it did.

Speaker 2:

Plus, the thing that really made me believe other than you know, because anything can happen in the Octagon, like anything can happen in there I saw I forgot who Nico Price fought when this happened, but I know it wasn't Tampa I saw Nico Price on his back knock out his opponent by kicking him while he was on his back and that was pretty crazy. Like it looked like he might have been about to get beat and then, nope, legs straight up knocked out. Crazy, you know. So anything can happen, of course, but what really made me think this was a conspiracy was that Cerrone only made $200,000 for that fight. $200,000. That's it Fighting Conor McGregor. Conor made $3 million, I believe. I believe that was the number that he went home with was $3 million compared to $200,000. That's crazy, like that's actually really crazy. That's a huge discrepancy, a huge pay gap. Could that have been an incentive for Cowboy to take a dive, had it been offered it to him?

Speaker 2:

I'm, I think. So. I think that it's a theory I'm not totally opposed to. I'd believe it if it came out one day. Um, because I mean you're paying a guy $200,000 who isn't bad. Cowboy Cerrone definitely had his run. I met his grandma one time. She's super proud of him. Um, but 3 million to a little 200,000, like I'm not happily taking that check unless you're adding more zeros to it. Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not leaving happy. No, absolutely not. So that's just me, connor. I mean, donald Cerrone also became a bit of a businessman as well, having a couple successful endeavors, especially, I think, now, or not especially, but I think I heard last that he was trying to do some acting. So that was probably his first gig. So great stuff there. But now I want to get into theory five. So this one, oh, this one, this one. Okay, let me just say it the PFL was created by the UFC to destroy Bellator. Now this one went deep.

Speaker 2:

The idea here is that the UFC quietly created the PFL in order to eliminate its biggest competition, which is Bellator. Was Bellator? Now, if you don't believe this theory, don't click off. Just listen to me here, because you'll want to hear what I have to say. The UFC has been sued twice, I think before for using its market advantage to either require organizations or block them from progressing, in ways like blocking fighters in contrast, which you talked about earlier, with capped wages. So this seems like it would be a derivative of that kind of scheme.

Speaker 2:

Now, I don't. I don't believe PFO was created by the UFC. I do not believe that. I think that they were their own organization, created independently. However, however, I do believe that they may have conspired together to absorb Bellator. I definitely think that could be possible. I mean, it's not like the PFL exactly is like thriving right now. Fighters are complaining because they can't get fights, which makes no sense to me. They are complaining about the lack of competition and the UFC seems to just be cornering the market on MMA.

Speaker 2:

The PFL was initially formed, of course, by the restructuring of the World Series of Fighting, and a lot of people think it was designed to eventually absorb Bellator and give UFC a monopoly on the MMA market, which I think, of course, is likely. I do think that's likely. I don't think that the UFC itself created PFL, but I think something along the lines of it being as designed as a step to begin acquisitions is likely. And another interesting thing is that Don Davis, one of the PFL's founders, has heavy investments in companies that do have ties to the UFC, like, of course, draftkings. That one is utilized by many, many, many different organizations. The UFC especially heavily promotes. It, has advertisers with fighters in it, and they even have Don Davis in the PFL Foundation. Don Davis in the PFL foundation or organization has ties to esports through a company called Team Liquid, and it may or not be true that UFC wore a PFL mask and swallowed up Bellator. I think that Bellator itself is pretty respectable as an organization by itself and now it's just kind of being slowly squeezed dry because of Bellator, pfl's acquisition of it.

Speaker 2:

And like, as far as the fighters complaining about there not being enough fights, how can you not have enough fights when you acquire an entire established organization and adding it to your already established rosters? How do you not have fighters for your fighters? That that's a non-starter for me. I know I call, I call it right there, and I'm not sure if this scheme was like a plan in 2018 or whenever the PFL started, or if the UFC I think it's more likely the UFC if, if this is true, we're just we're just talking hypotheticals here If the UFC approached them more recently to execute this kind of plan. So I'm not sure which of the two scenarios this was rooted in, or even if it was rooted in an entirely different scenario, but I feel like the UFC and PFL is like the WWE's evil twin, where the fighting is real, but the bosses are the wrestlers, they're the ones acting.

Speaker 2:

So that, oh, that one just threw me makes me feel so bad. Um, especially just because the fighters are suffering, they're not getting paid. They were probably told during the acquisition process very early on that this was a good thing. You know you'll have more opportunities and then you have less opportunities. Bellator was doing just fine before I thought, obviously not as successful as the UFC, but definitely not struggling to create fights for their fighters to this extent. And all of this to essentially monopolize to monopolize the MMA market, of course, and become what hung fit. 123 from Reddit says the United States version of our NBA or NFL. I thought that was crazy and so true. It makes so much sense. It makes so much sense they're just giving us a show and making a dime while they're building up this national idea.

Speaker 2:

And also super interesting to think about is that Team Liquid, that esports company, was sold to a group called I believe it's Axiomatic Gaming Holding Company, which is a gaming enabling company that, of course, has a fan in gaming, but also in other forms of tech and entertainment and of course, also in investment ventures. So maybe that is a thing. Maybe companies who specialize in one particular area also specialize in investment opportunities within that same area. So correct me if I'm wrong, if maybe that's not a usual thing, but I'm pretty sure I've seen that across many different industries, where a company that is for a specific purpose, such as enabling uh or gaming um, also invests in other companies. So I I'm not too knowledgeable on how all of that works. I definitely think it's interesting and I love learning about it. It's one of the most interesting topics, but I hope you're getting the gist of what I'm trying to explain is going on here.

Speaker 2:

This is a group that also encompasses Disney and their gaming, which of course, disney owns ESPN, but anywhere I see the name Disney and their gaming, which of course, disney owns ESPN. But anywhere I see the name Disney, I'm like, ah, corruption. I don't know if you guys think that too, I grew up watching Disney, you know, so I loved watching it growing up, and now that I've grown up and learned more, I feel like anything that Disney touches or Disney is a part of is definitely a part of a monopolization scheme. So I think that also adds fuel to this conspiracy fire. And you know Disney owns ESPN, like I just said. Know disney owns espn, like I just said. And they espn has named team liquid esports team of the year for several years in a row, which I feel like would be a conflict of interest. But maybe not, maybe not, maybe not, maybe not. Who knows. It's a hole. You can just go down forever, but I wanted to just throw these connections out there so you guys can get an idea of how everyone ties together.

Speaker 2:

I think, since Don Davis has such a heavy hand on the investment side of things, it would make sense that he would only benefit from acquiring Bellator to eventually partner with the UFC on the back end to form a singular national MMA organization. I think that's completely possible and Bellator may have just never been on board with that, because I find it hard to believe that, if it's the case that this whole situation happened with acquisition or with acquiring Bellator to create a national league, bellator wasn't approached about it. I find that very hard to believe. I feel like they may have been approached about it, but you know, pride is the devil and devil's going to get you one way or another when money's involved. So I think that they may just have never been on board with it and insisted on its independence and that just resulted in the need for another organization to come in quench the league and acquire the company just to start forming this national league.

Speaker 2:

Like NFL and NBA, pfl also has a former NFL executive serving as their CEO and his name is Peter Murray, which I just thought was super weird, you know, like just all another puzzle piece in this whole scheme. I mean, it's totally normal for athletes to retire and remain in the business, but if you are trying to build a national league league, what better person or what better type of people to contribute to that formation than someone who comes from a similar organization organization themselves. So I thought that was another puzzle piece. And something else that was really interesting is that bfa and this one's not major. I just thought it was super interesting that it's the same company, you know, all just kind of circulating around the same money. But pfl and ufc do partner with some of the same investors, such as legends holdings, which is just like a food beverage retail merch, um and within stadium and arena operations. So them using the same organization. For that isn't really a solid puzzle piece, but it could be something like could this all be connected? For for what reason? Like, who owns Legends Holding? You know, maybe I think that it is.

Speaker 2:

I'm like 99% sure that the UFC is quietly, just Not even quiet Well, yeah, quietly, not super discreetly, you know, but quietly, just forming a monopoly on the MMA industry with PFL as their key player, and I just thought that there were really interesting connections throughout this research. So I hope it gave you guys something to think about and let me know if you guys agree with, if you even agree with, the National MMA League or if you're opposed to a National MMA League. I think it would be cool. I do, but I'm not sure how it works, you know, because so many of our of the fighters in the UFC are from different countries. So I'm just not sure exactly how that would work. If I'm not sure, I'm not sure how all that would even work. But I do know that it's the same situation with NFL. So this is why I kept going in like a circle when I was doing my research. Because in the NFL you have you have players from different countries, you absolutely do, and they're all paid quite enough to be able to move themselves and maybe even their whole families to America to be able to do that. So who knows if the UFC is trying to get to that point where they're trying to make that money to be able to replicate the structure of an organization like the NFL. But it would also just create such a huge shift.

Speaker 2:

I think it functions great. Now I just feel like all they're missing is that money they want. They want the money that company or organizations like the NFL bring in. They want that level of prestige and recognition as the premier fight league. They're already already thought of as the premier fight league, but they it could be likely that they want that completely established. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened. You know you have, you have like. You have like minor leagues and stuff like that, like in baseball. So it wouldn't. It wouldn't be like all the MMA organizations that existed in the USA would be completely eradicated. I just think that they would be considered more of like a minor league kind of thing. You know, I feel like companies that are based out of, based outside of the country, like one fc is based out of singapore, I believe. You know. So I feel like they'll be fine.

Speaker 2:

So I it's, it's a. It's a crazy topic. I was going in circles about it. Wild to think about. I'm not sure if it's true, but I am curious about what you guys think. So please let me know. But there we have it, my friends. That was a fun roller coaster to ride. I hope you thought so too.

Speaker 2:

Those are just some of the few wild conspiracy theories that I read online, just a few that I picked out. Please do a deep dive on your own. You'll find some crazy interesting stuff, some stuff that I was a little scared to even talk about in this episode. But you know, I'm not I'm not really a scaredy cat, so I might do it again, do an episode like this again and go into those crazier topics that I'm like is this gonna have someone show up at my door, kind of thing. But if they do, I'll just be fighting them with my tinfoil gloves on.

Speaker 2:

I'll Um, all jokes, all jokes, and I just want to know if you agree with any of these, or maybe if you've got your own theories that you can't find online but are just kind of like born out talk about, and I would love to continue the conversation. So just go ahead and follow me and leave a review. If you liked this episode, let me know you liked it. Um, share it with a friend. Like I said earlier, let's get a whole friend group going and just make sure to follow. I've got some really cool things planned for the future. Like I mentioned earlier, I would love to get this up on YouTube. So anything you guys can do, like leaving a review, sharing the episodes, um, just helps me be able to get to that point where I can have the resources to be able to do that. So I appreciate all the support and I hope you all have a wonderful Thanksgiving, eat some good food, watch some football, put up some Christmas decorations no-transcript.

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