Besotted with sheep!

So who is Jill Noble and Gary Tie? And who is behind Hallston Valley Farm? What do they do at Hallston Valley Farm? What type of sheep do they have? And why a podcast and not a  book?
Brett Jarman from 'Experts on Line' interviews Jill and Gary on their backgrounds, their journey and their farm. Brett realizes that Jill is besotted with sheep!

Transcript

Jill Noble:   0:02
Hi and welcome to The Sheep Show Podcast dedicated to all things ovine. Thank you for joining me I'm Jill Noble from Hallston Valley Farm and Sheep Stud on your host. This is your podcast to learn more, know more and achieve more when it comes to shepherding. Come with me as we explore the amazing world of sheep and sheep farming together. Who is behind Hallston Valley Farm on the sheep show podcast? Well, it's made Jill Noble and Gary Tie on. Recently Brett Jarman, our podcast coach and production manager interviewed us to give you perspective on our backgrounds. I'm setting the scene for the future podcast that you will experience here on The Sheep Show podcast. Here's the interview do enjoy.

Brett Jarman:   0:54
Welcome to the Sheep Show with Jill Noble and Gary TIe. I am not  Jill Noble and I am not Gary Tie. My name is Brett m Jaran on the producer of the Experts on Air podcast and happily welcoming Jill and Gary to the network with your new podcast.

Jill Noble:   1:10
Thank you, Brett.

Brett Jarman:   1:11
Welcome aboard. I'm really excited. I know that every every little girl and boy grows up wanting to do their own podcast about sheep. So here you are saying it's a moment I'm sure you're both looking forward to for a very long time.

Jill Noble:   1:25
Yes, indeed. It's a great, great opportunity.

Brett Jarman:   1:28
It is. It is. So tell us a little bit about yourself is obviously about you, you are sheep farmers. So how did you get into sheep farming is that it has been a lifelong thing. Is that something that fell into? How did you get where you are?

Gary Tie:   1:43
Well, I like to think that we're farmers who farm sheep as well as a whole lot of other things. And the importance of making that distinction is that the sheep feeds into the whole puzzle, and what we're on about is regenerative agriculture beyond sustainability and beyond organics, clean, healthy food is produced in a way that is food for the community as well as animal welfare, and that this  plays and important role in that across a range of those different issues. For me, the exciting part is, is feeding every piece of the puzzle into the big picture.

Brett Jarman:   2:27
Right. Yeah, that is exciting. I'm excited already

Jill Noble:   2:34
For me, it was growing up with sheep in Irelan, learning from my Dad and my brother and bringing that over here and farming sheep in Australia. So it's yes, it's sort of sheep in the blood. And sheep in the jeans, I think for me.

Brett Jarman:   2:54
Okay. Right. So you grew up on the land. How about you, Gerry? Have you grown up on the land yourself?I

Gary Tie:   3:00
No,  not quiet. It's that I was in the city. But Mum and Dad had a property in the country. We used to visit a lot and Dad was from the country. So we kind of felt like we were a country people. Or we had that connection by there was a bit of frustration there because we been all the time in the city. So there was a yearning, a longing to get out there and amongst the animals and do that something. And it's being a lifelong ambition and dreams to realise that.

Brett Jarman:   3:28
Fantastic. I'm excited. So where is your farm of the moment? Where is it? How big is it? Give us some details on that.

Gary Tie:   3:37
Well, we've got 155 acres of God's own country down in southwest Gippsland, where it's lovely and green, it's steep and hilly. There's lots of different challenges. But with every challenge there's a benefit. Especially because it  is a small farm. And that's the exciting challenges. Well, to make all those pieces of a puzzle fit together and still make a profitable, viable business.

Brett Jarman:   4:02
Right? And how many sheep have you?

Jill Noble:   4:03
We are running about 100 breeding ewes at the moment. And, with our ram flock on and our wethers, we're running 200.

Brett Jarman:   4:13
Okay. And the other stock on the property. Or is it your crops?

Jill Noble:   4:17
Yeah, way. We've got a couple of all Pakis. They'll be featuring in the shit show podcast obit Because they're great manager of predators for lambing. We run with here we run cattle dry cattle seasonally on DWI. I also have two horses. Now I've got a flock of whole Trias. Well, so I'm Woodham. Makes a

Brett Jarman:   4:45
nice nice for good. E was going to ask you about our pack is a little bit later, but I'll bring it up now. Things have you brought it up? So the podcast the ship shows I understand that your tailoring to first generation farmers who farm she is that

Brett Jarman:   4:59
Yeah, indeed. Anyone who is farming sheep now wants to take their ship enterprise to the next level and learn Mohr on Anyone who like us way sort of did 10 years of sort of education, and we would have loved to have podcasts till it's untrue to speed it up for us. So anyone who's thinking, Hey, this is something I might want to do in the next 5 10 years.

Brett Jarman:   5:26
Okay, yeah, So go down £2 on that in the 1st 1 is Ah, I'm surprised to hear that there are first generation chic family because because I just in my head, I just assume that it's kind of a generational thing. They just get handed down and handed down. And for those who are taking up farming, I assume that they're doing the L Packers or the LAMAs or getting all the 20 new things. And it surprises me to hear that there are people sort of going straight in Teo into the old forms of farming.

Gary Tie:   5:54
No, Brian's long land at. Then there's a big demand for Compaq and buying direct from the farmer. And of course, there's a real advantage if you can have found close to where the people are. That's one of the big problems with agriculture. Food is going a long way from the population centres and to help people who might be starting off with a small block of land on and want to get into something that's viable. Good quality, clean food. There's a lot to learn, but we found a lot of people have said, Look, if you don't have 5000 cheaper, you're not interested in buying things by massive amounts. Then people are interested from suppliers and educators. Where is that's where this podcast can help? We made that need for good education. Good information for people starting off and and particularly small. Hold this

Brett Jarman:   6:53
right. Okay, So you mentioned earlier, Jill, that you would have loved to have a head a podcast like this when you were starting out, eh? So what do you know now that you wish you knew back then and obviously you could do a whole series of episode? It's just all that. But But what comes to mind when I bring that up?

Brett Jarman:   7:09
Ah, Challenges. I guess he was a fencing d made important is that I'm So how do you manage Shinichi illnesses and disease? Ah, what can you do to improve growth rate of the growth patterns of your sheep without huge imports ofthe brain or feed all these sorts of things? When we started out, we were constantly thinking, Well, there's three things we gotta buy land. We didn't have it generationally sort of passed down way would like infrastructure on the land, back to the sheds and house. So and then, of course, we need to get the lifestyle. So we're thinking Okay, Well, by the lounge will adjust it out. Then we'll do the damage to the infrastructure. Was thinking that how would financially and from a logical point of view. But we realise, actually, we waded have much, much faster than just by doing a little bit strategically and particularly by using a lot of we didn't have podcasts, which is used people. We found people who could help us.

Gary Tie:   8:25
I think that anything is what a ll these different things you can do. It's all very overwhelming. So you have a clear idea of what you need to do for you. What's what's the main thing is you need to worry about, of all things you could do. What should you prioritise? And that takes away? A lot of the stressful events are anywhere. You're doing the right thing or not. If you have a bit more of a road map, what is the most important thing to do? It could make the whole thing look much more enjoyable.

Brett Jarman:   8:56
Sounds like it sounds like So tell us about So what? What breed of sheep do you run on the phone,

Brett Jarman:   9:03
huh? We breed British breed called Wilshire Horn sheep. They're self shedding, mate shape. Have horns on DH. They lose their wool so we don't have to share them when they don't experience some of the challenges that are the sheep farmers we get with things like flies strike. We don't have to amuse a ll them, which is a but I'm a welfare challenge. Um, no. They dress out there, carcass dresses out really well. Also slower maturing. That means that for us, particularly one of our main business on DH areas is if the Compaq is Gary mentioned that we can provide sheep pretty much ma'am all year round, you know, starting some 78 month old right through to 18 months old. Two year old Lam. What would taste like loud okay around with really haven't back with spray?

Gary Tie:   10:04
The thing is that we selected a breed that suited our objectives and suited our land and suited out abilities and our large star. And that is the key thing. If you don't have the infrastructure all the time or the skills you're going to run into trouble on DH, that goes for any enterprise you take on, too. I think that is the tank. Oh, message. We're not saying that the way radio now break is the best for everyone. It's the point is it was It's right for us,

Brett Jarman:   10:38
right? And did you start with that grade or did you experiment with others before you settled on the Wilshire?

Gary Tie:   10:43
Well, we did actually start with, but initially I was looking at another time off shedding breed. But the specifics of where we are it's wet in the winter on quite cold, and so the African type breeds, too, will do very well in an arrow dryer country. But down here they will struggle, and we have a lot of people to switch to our British breed from a guy's African braids. For all those reasons on to, basically, we've got an easy care sheep, and it's not easy care if the poor thing is struggling and you want animals and plants that are gonna be happy and healthy living in your area and also with your management and how much time you can spend and and what skills and infrastructure you have. So the match is the most important thing,

Brett Jarman:   11:33
right? Okay, So, apart from having an interest in sheep farming, what other, like qualifications and skills did you did you bring to the bring to the farm, so to speak?

Brett Jarman:   11:43
Well, I've been self employed for 15 years running out Hey, char and training or slip patient business. Oh, instruments off. I'm marketing. Selling myself. Uh, we're submitting proposals, finance, managing, finance, invoicing, knowing about tax. Um, you know, trying Teo manage customer service, all that sort of stuff. I felt that that's been very useful to have all those skills from my point of view and even coordinating people. You know, we've had a lot of way hard to Backpackers. Last year for 88 days, I didn't just coordinating projects with people's older skills very useful. Let's make

Gary Tie:   12:32
well, I can only sell surgical devices in the day job.

Brett Jarman:   12:36
So I say again, I

Gary Tie:   12:38
sell surgical devices like a lot of time in hospitals in with nurses, insurgents, eso ITT's a Stiles role. But the advantage of that Teo bombing is that this type of new agriculture, where there's a key thing has been out, communicate directly to the consumer. And there's a lot of advantages. A lot of farmers want to be out of cell direct s so that they're not just price takers, and they can actually have an influence. And setting the price was farmers typically don't get much of the retail dollar, and to do that, you need to communicate. And so that's one of the advantages are found in a seemingly unrelated skill set of being in sales. Uh, it has helped a lot. Oh, so it was a financial advisor for five years quite a few years ago. So understanding the business side on the broader economics of agriculture is, um it's been a big help us well and out of high school, I studied horticulture, so that was really good out ofthe worked on golf course in Bowling Green's, and it doesn't seem to be related, but grouse and the key aspect of your profitability, the key factor in your profitability. Renny Rising. He's going to be the health of your pasture. And that's why to help with soil so well, that science background that was very, very useful,

Brett Jarman:   14:17
right? So So there must be inspired again. This is then to know that essentially, this is not a full time operation for you guys. You're able to hold down other work and run your various enterprises within the farmers well, and launch a podcast. That's brilliant. So yeah, so So what do you enjoy most about about the the farming life

Brett Jarman:   14:42
I asked was for me. My my passion is the sheep. So and last year, they before started to show sheep. But some of the major chose between should wash old Royal Melbourne show and was able to take home some very nice prizes and ribbon. This is well, so for May, it is breeding shape, improving my my shape on DH, having them produce the amazing product and sell them each as well. So that's for Maise is the high life.

Gary Tie:   15:17
Well, there's nothing better than coming down to the country after a week behind the laptop, a week in the corporate world and then getting out there amongst the trees and the animals and getting some good under the fingernails. That's wonderful variety that I really like. But what takes it from being just a hobby or just a holiday home is being out there. Feed all these pieces of the puzzle together to help contribute to a bigger picture, and that is playing green healthy food on good, sustainable communities as well. So to see that starting to come together, he is very, very satisfied.

Brett Jarman:   15:59
Fantastic. So what's been your biggest challenge with your with your enterprise so far? And have you managed that?

Gary Tie:   16:08
Well, some of the biggest learnings we've had is that the infrastructure is key to the management on the farm, and it's Kate. Unmanageable. The risks and in agriculture is a lot of risks outside of your control fires and floods and economic situations on the other side of the world that affect all sorts of things. But what we found foot was that getting the water management So you got water. We ate you don't have water, you can't really do much. Uh, and the fencing is so important to be an outfit produced good quality pasture and feed is usually the most expensive part of raising animals. And so therefore, it comes down to bin out good quality fencing so that you can manage the star that produces the cheap, this amount of feed and that produces good, healthy animals that will be profitable and safe from a lot of time, which saves money. So learning that that is the key priorities on then being able to work towards those and the evidence for that is that what we saw at the shows was initially we were coming last hand, had sheep. You probably should have put in shows, but that's all part of contributing and being involved in learning. But then, as we've got the infrastructure improved, that passed, you improve, the soil improved and the health of the animal's improved and before the show results improved, and to see that it really brought home to us, that's what we need to do. And so that the challenge wass being able to get that infrastructure when we just weekend warriors. Ah, and dealing with the frustration, I suppose, have not been able to do everything that we wanted to do and the physical limitations we know to do. That

Brett Jarman:   18:08
may be a great Gary. The fencing is a huge thing managing sheep illnesses, but I get a lot of that comes down to that past your fencing. But the other thing wass we had attended a farming expose. We, Gary in particular, have regularly every book under the sun on because I had a background. But then we found that when we got our property, we got influenced by some people on. That sort of took us away from this low input regenerative approach that we really wanted to focus on. So it's almost as if we became with painful circle. We went away from, what, what we wanted to achieve them, why we were doing this on. We sort of looked each other one day. This's way did not want to chill the soil. We did not want to spray out. Our official fertiliser is we don't want that sort of thing that you know that's not going to get us where we want to get its almost knowing who not to listen to as much as knowing who to listen, Teo,

Gary Tie:   19:19
because we did what we thought were experts. People have been around a long time people of the produce store. And the problem with that is that you listen to their advice. You will be round there, this sort of operation, and you have to set your own goals and no, your own objective. And we've just been so much happier when we've been very clear and been unable to trust what we want to do and know that we can just make the the pieces of the puzzle come together and every time. So if I had a major challenge that we thought we we did, I have solved these without reaching some of the principles that we want to hold true to. But then we find a way, and it's it's usually well, thinking every case, it's come down to it actually being better than taking that first easy option. So now we just relaxed about that. We've got problems that we don't quite know how we're gonna solve, but oh, I will present itself. We'll work it out. It'll be fine. So that makes us a lot more relaxed about some of these issues that way come across.

Brett Jarman:   20:29
That's terrific. So what do you think has been your biggest success the whole enterprise so far. And have you achieved that?

Brett Jarman:   20:38
Married 10 years?

Brett Jarman:   20:41
Almost commented on that. I thought, It's great that you two still obviously get along. Either that or you're putting on a good performance so well, so I'll go with the former.

Brett Jarman:   20:50
No, no, no. You know, when you can imagine they work being in business with your husband. That's what it's like. I'm now. It definitely challenges the relationship. Last year, for example, being farming and managing projects on the farm in our jobs and shows, we saw each other for 45 minutes in a month. Yeah, so I was on the side of a road while I was on my way back from a sheep show with the trailer for shape. So you know it. Definitely. There's definitely been some really challenging times s o the deposits. I'm joking. But if the ability for us to be able to work together on work well together we have business meetings, we have a sprouting cheap flour. We have operational plans you know, it's it's been really good t be ableto not be in this alone, I guess.

Gary Tie:   21:46
Yeah, I think we complement each other well and we've got to know each other a lot deeper. Then we had when we were leading separate work lives, which we still do, and we we were together on on the farm. We've got to know ourselves with better and how we complement each other and in some ways know where we don't come from in each other. We know we'll do a task separately and then other times, Well, we'll do a task together. So a lot of those things, you look back, you think, Well, we probably wouldn't have developed that without the fun and without biting off more weight than we can chew and then having to chew like mad. So I think now we've got a better idea of how much we can we can find off so we could be doing get ourselves into too much trouble.

Brett Jarman:   22:40
The other six ss of those has been hiring, firing people who you can, you know, I trust, you know, we've we have been to the back actors and nail me and Oscar were just amazing. And they put in a lonesome to local contractors, put in a laneway for us when they were here, and that having improve the infrastructure on our farm has made our lives so much easier and nothing pride back.

Gary Tie:   23:10
You have to look around the town and deceit improving in the ways we'd like to improving thing that dams are quite clean and clear and lots of wildlife using the jams thing is 90 fishes eels in dams that we've had cleaned out. Where's breeding there? We've got to be hives as well and beekeeper's that come in to look after those for us. They say that very healthy, very happy. And the comments that you just don't see this in places where they use a lot of sprays and chemical. And so we were out there wondering how we're gonna manage all these blackberries without using the easy option of spraying. And then you see things. I'll anything. Yeah, this this is working. This is on the right track, and so that that is quite satisfying to see the results starting to flow. It's things I would never go, quite how you might imagine. But to still see the overall results. Ah, that is very recent.

Brett Jarman:   24:10
Well, have you ever thought this is too hard? Let's give it up. Yes, I think

Gary Tie:   24:18
seriously about giving it out. But also, this is too hot. Happens about every way. Maybe you're just a lot more resilient than made. Yeah, it does, Uh, and then that's usually a sign that probably doing wrong. And there's quite a bit quite a lot of times where I just said we're doing this wrong. You This is No,

Brett Jarman:   24:47
You know, if we made this decision on us with a big financial commitment, first by hand, and we renovated the house and then all of this stuff, we didn't have no regrets at a wall. Not one regret in terms of what? The decision we made the purchasing decision we've made. Um, but yeah, there's been definitely lots of lots of weekends where, you know, we're we're leaving the farm at 10 o'clock on a Sunday night, and we've got to be off at six o'clock the next morning. You know, on

Brett Jarman:   25:18
DH, there's a two hour drive to get

Brett Jarman:   25:19
to our drive to get home. This's no food in the house. and you know it's Yeah.

Brett Jarman:   25:26
Okay, so you said you got no regrets, but is there anything that you would do differently if you had your time over again?

Gary Tie:   25:32
This used to be 80 things with the farm. For that we need to. We had breeding cattle. We had cars of this, and I I and balls and

Brett Jarman:   25:41
artificial intelligence. Official insemination.

Brett Jarman:   25:44
Wait, so you just got a virtual way? Could

Gary Tie:   25:55
do with some of that. I have to get our friends in India to get onto that. But, um, a few strategic things where having I mean, Chow's having to be in panics for a long time because we're running a limited paddocks where they can carve and then having to get be to them because they're eaten on food. And that ruins the panic and big practise marks up and down the pattern and see little things like that. We think now we can't do that. And I suppose it is a process of learning about your land and observing your land and what it's like in the different seasons and learning about yourself what you like to do What? What, you don't like to do what you can do and enjoy yourself and things that you want. Absolute. So just boy. So that was one of them. And now we just we just bring in the cattle to strategically greys for the health of the pasture on. Then we sell them off so we don't make a lot of money to make a little bit of profit. We get our turnover on DH. They help improve the past job because chasm deep impact on the land and sheep on. And we'll go into that in the podcast. But it's a lot easier on us. And and then that that's how piece of the puzzle coming together. So I think that was one of the one of the big ones. You

Brett Jarman:   27:22
know, I think that would be great. Yeah,

Brett Jarman:   27:25
s o Jill Head is your current farming experience. Compared to your childhood founding experience in Ireland,

Brett Jarman:   27:33
I It's thank goodness for Gary. That's all I can say. Because of its ability to farming industry. Have been farming in Ireland, wary about water we don't have. You don't need my My dad's over here. What's a damn? You know? Okay, cheaper sheets. So you know. So for me, with I was meeting needed a farming honeymoon in northern New South Wales. I keep fun. I never dropped with what? We're driving across a pack and I fixed. But Farmer said this We don't know all of that shape. Oh, there. I don't choose quite well on course. Shoot. She was calamity. So I was quite surprised how much the chief instinct is still there. You know, even though course I know sort of left when the university and lived in the city and all of that. So So some things the same. But it's

Brett Jarman:   28:31
in your blood

Brett Jarman:   28:32
s Oh, so something's Lismore, Australia. So I was forming in a straight is great.

Brett Jarman:   28:39
So what's a common myth about the profession that you'd like to debunk? Now that you've you've got your gum boots on and and you know the trade

Gary Tie:   28:50
Well, I think potentially in this start of farming that we need really switched on highly educated, highly passionate people, that sort of farming that's gonna help the world go forward with climate change or with droughts and all that on the minds of food, clean quality food and not the sort of person is going to sit on a tractor and drive two hours one direction and turn around drive. You need a lot of educational across a lot of fields, all the science and biology and geology. Ah, a passion for the land on DH. Also passion for the community that you're serving. So you know, rather than serving a bank or serving corporation to be able to serve the community because that's really what you doing, producing good quality nutrition's people to eat, and it would nourish their Children with. That's that's the type of mindset that you need to have. And, um, we need really innovative people who can think outside the square on DH, And farmers typically have have been in that often quite resilient and quite inventive. But I suppose that's the miss that the farmers are. People walk around in overalls a ll the time, whereas, you know, business times, people and people who are really educated and really passionate about other issues as well.

Brett Jarman:   30:28
What made biggest was It's an isolated life. Our social life is so much better from here. They're the community. Yeah, it's quite amazing on then. Visitors as well. You know, we have a lot of city people. Maybe it's just it. Come for a day, I or maybe it's time to get hands on exposure and experience a CZ well, So it's in the town locally known as all Gary Angelo. They're business people think Gary's, as I think you need a transit challenge of working on the business and working in the business. And you do need to be working on your business when you were a farmer. If if particularly we think the size ofthe property we have if you want to make it a commercially viable enterprise,

Brett Jarman:   31:17
right? And so, speaking of commercially viable will tell us about the future of hosting Valley farms and and all the associated activities. Where do you see it going?

Brett Jarman:   31:27
Well for for me. Anyway, I see the podcast playing a huge role in the future in terms of bringing it even broader than this little corner. If a little pocket we have in Victoria so sharing, I suppose what we've been through over the last 15 years ago 10 years of research and planning and five years of farming. So I hope that we can We can continue what we've been doing on DH now. Start to help others achieve O R. Experience. What was possible.

Gary Tie:   32:02
And I think what where were already well on the way to achieving is developing the farm itself, as the infrastructure is not better as we're getting to know in the land better, we're going to increase the productivity. There will be out of more of an output in the in kilos of produce, and then we'll move into diversifying. So at the moment, with heavily don't buy the sheep revenue. But we will add on extra complementary businesses. I could see the poultry eggs and be great if we could do chicken made as well, different types of culture as they feeding well with the whole system. We could do some sort of tourism with fishing, and there's Berries and fruit. There's education tohave a good farm where people can come and see it actually in action. I see it in the real world, Aunt, take some inspiration or take some technical ideas. From this, we could do horse riding a beautiful place to do that. There's a whole lot of ventures, and the other thing, too, is to be out a team up with different people. For example, we could have people working on our land on our farm and they could have a separate agriculture business so they could run a worm farm. And then we could have a couple of acres of people. They could run a market garden and have vegetables, and we could work out some arrangement. But that sort of thing will help break down the barriers to entry that you get in. I mean special around the area with food, drive, good land. That's $1000 an acre that's prohibited for a lot of people to get started, then that has to be a full time business. But if you could working with us on one of any number of inches, he could be a part time being in a part time income, and it just adds to the whole benefit of the whole farm and the community as well. So I think that's what we'll see him. I'm excited to see how it actually all plays out, but the community will be a big

Brett Jarman:   34:05
it sounds like Disneyland for grown ups.

Gary Tie:   34:07
Yeah, yeah, I know.

Brett Jarman:   34:10
Very good. So, um yeah, so sorry.

Brett Jarman:   34:15
We even take f plus.

Brett Jarman:   34:17
Actually, yeah, it's It's so And you mentioned earlier that you had a farming honeymoon. It sounds like a place where people would ever farming. Honeymoon? Yeah.

Gary Tie:   34:26
Yeah, Why not? Well, we're actually getting in a cabin. I think

Brett Jarman:   34:30
you should

Gary Tie:   34:31
go with the bungalow s. Oh, yeah. We're

Brett Jarman:   34:34
already so said. So you mentioned the podcast schedule. Let's just talk about that a little bit. Why did you choose a podcast and not a book? There's a way of getting the word out,

Brett Jarman:   34:43
you know? Well, I've written a couple books written tree that were also by me and contributed to another to a more any riding and one she feels they're gonna shoot magazine. So I thought to myself, Well, we really enjoyed podcast with Brian a lot where I cook. We were out of the farm. We have time, Tio. Assume on cast. Andi thought to myself. Why not a podcast? So I did the research on himself, publishing another book. And then I thought, No, I think podcast is the way to go. And I know that from talking to other people in in agriculture, there's a huge opportunity and need for more technology in agriculture too. So I thought, Wow, this is a great offer attributed to demonstrate how we can educate people in our culture, particularly in shape through the digital baby off podcast.

Gary Tie:   35:42
I've been a lot of fun driving around and I hate the wasted. I'm driving back forward. So I listened to a lot of you two and I've often thought when we're working around the farm, teachers would be really good as a TV show or something. I don't know whether it be a comedy or

Brett Jarman:   36:00
a tragedy.

Gary Tie:   36:03
Uh, so forecast will be great. Way too well, communicate. And

Brett Jarman:   36:09
I also have been able to find I haven't been able to find a podcast s if I was Really This is a few on the general bag, but I use him too. And But you won on on She particularly, uh, was. It was a gap for May I off. This's people need need something like this,

Brett Jarman:   36:28
right? Well, you're listening is going to be very lucky to tap into your passion. So who do you think they're gonna be? And what do you think they will get out of? Listen to?

Brett Jarman:   36:36
Well, we've actually been running a couple of sheep workshops at some farm expos over the last couple of years. So I'm anticipating that our listeners will be very similar to people who attend are face to face bookshops. So people who either have some shape or or wanted to get into shape and people who really want to do do the service due to a real good service. Ravina an injustice to sheep farming. So for me, that's the person. I think we'll be listening to it. You know, there is something about shape. They're just a lovely he doesn't think

Brett Jarman:   37:15
she's been through.

Gary Tie:   37:20
They're right there, a good starter animal as well. They're not that big and scary. You don't need too much expensive infrastructure for them. You can have a small amount of land. They're really good for that. And just to get a little bit more knowledge. And once you get going, then you uncover this home world of more questions and to be able to help people Tio Tio, avoid a few of the mistakes you're gonna make some, but to know that that's okay. And if nothing else, you look at these two clowns day Teo, and you'll feel better about yourself or the other thing, too, is we'll have lots of good hard technical information. A lot of other experts and people who you have been turned for generation chief farmers and be with AGD a breeze and vets and all that's with him. So you're building it for for everyone, I think.

Brett Jarman:   38:16
Yeah, it sounds like it. In fact, I was just thinking. They're like, even though I have no interest in sheep farming on certain I'll be listening in because I know I'm gonna learn. Bet a lot more than just sheep like this. The whole regenerative agriculture thing that I do have an interest in getting a block of land at some point. What I'll do with it? I don't know, but I know we'll be getting some ideas from the two of you.

Brett Jarman:   38:35
Now account you on his list of inbred as well.

Brett Jarman:   38:38
You will? Yeah. I'll be your first subscribe for sure for sure. All right, so let's wrap it up there in any closing words for your listeners before we sign off.

Gary Tie:   38:49
Okay, Looking forward, Teo reaching out and looking forward to hearing your storey as well. And any feedback that that you might have everything that you would like us to cover. And of course, any any advice for us that choose to think all that? I'm sure you you'll say you should've done like this, or you shouldn't have done that. That's always very important. So looking forward to

Brett Jarman:   39:15
yeah, mate, Little Teo. Yes, Continue that. So social outlet off a farming and learn more myself. But also share my learning self are on Get bring that made people

Brett Jarman:   39:32
Okay. All right, well, let's wrap it up there then. Thank you both So much for the opportunity to come on to your podcast and interview you and I'll hand it back to you now. And you, Khun, do the ongoing episodes yourselves.

Brett Jarman:   39:44
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