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Do It Scared: How One Teacher Transformed Students' Lives

• Edward DeShazer

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Norberto Troncoso takes us on a powerful journey from the Bronx to national recognition as he shares how he transforms "closeted introverts" into championship-level speakers. With raw authenticity and practical wisdom, Norberto reveals the strategies that have helped students from America's poorest congressional district win national speech competitions and secure millions in scholarships.

The conversation dives deep into the transformative power of communication skills. Norberto explains his innovative approach to helping students find their voices through games and storytelling exercises that meet them where they are. Rather than making communication seem intimidating, he disarms students by connecting with their existing communication styles before introducing more structured techniques. This gradual progression creates a safe space for authentic expression and confidence-building.

At the heart of Norberto's philosophy is the concept of "doing it scared" – facing fears instead of being paralyzed by them. This approach was born from his own near-death experience that left him unable to speak, eat, or move. Through his personal journey of rehabilitation, Norberto gained profound insight into human potential and resilience that now informs his work with students and educators alike.

For educators struggling to find their own voice or purpose, Norberto offers a powerful reminder to reconnect with their "why." He emphasizes that teacher effectiveness isn't measured by student approval or colleague recognition, but by staying true to one's purpose. As he quotes from rapper LaCrae: "If you live for people's acceptance, you're going to die by their rejection." This wisdom serves as a rallying cry for educators to remember their impact, even when it goes unacknowledged.

Whether you're an educator seeking to help students find their voice, a leader looking to improve your communication skills, or someone who wants to make a difference in your community, this episode offers practical strategies and heartfelt inspiration. Subscribe, share with a colleague, and join us as we continue to explore how great educators are changing lives one student at a time.

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SPEAKER_00:

We have to know and understand why we show up to work every single day to do what we do, no matter what you do in a school. There's a reason that you're showing up day in, day out, and we gotta make sure that we uh stay locked into that.

SPEAKER_01:

If you're an educator that's passionate, but you're tired and you're burnt out and you're wondering what to do next, this is a show for you. We're gonna learn together, we're gonna recharge together, and we're gonna grow together so you can be the best you and serve your students and your community to the best of your ability.

SPEAKER_00:

What's going on, Pod? Welcome to the Teachers Ed Podcast, the place where the best and brightest in education come to be inspired, to connect, to learn, and to grow. I'm your host, Edward DeShazer. If you have not, uh please make sure you subscribe if you're on listening on Apple Podcasts. If you are watching this on YouTube, uh smash the little thumbs up button down below. And if something with you resonates in this episode, please, please, please share it with another colleague, share it with someone in education that matters to you. That is how we keep this podcast in front of phenomenal educators like yourself. And speaking of phenomenal educators like yourself, I am honored to have today's guest on, Norberto Troncoso. Did I get it right that time? Yes, sir. Perfect. Okay, I was like, I'd had it right, and I was like, wait, which one was it? Uh, but I have Norberto on uh someone I've I've known for probably a couple years now. Um, so I definitely appreciate you for jumping on and uh joining me today. So, first and foremost, what I would love for you to do is just let the people that are listening know who you are and what you do and where you're from and all the good stuff that is you.

SPEAKER_02:

That sounds good. So, hey, lovely people. Again, my name is Sniper Troncoso. Uh, I am from the Bronx in New York. I grew up in, I guess, what people would classify as the hood hybrid. We are here. Um, but my specialty is transforming closeted introverts into championship level speakers and being able to allow students, educators, and leaders be able to unleash their story, their power, and their creativity so that they can be the champions that they were meant to be. And champions they do it scared. So, a lot of what I've been able to do over the last decade is train national champions from like the poorest congressional district in America. I've been able to see them be able to win national championships, get scholarships, upwards of a million dollars, and being able to just give back to the community. And it's been uh just a beautiful thing to see kids that like average C's and like D's and they're on like the cusp of like expulsion be flipped around and in like a year or two be at like the top speak. Like, we're talking like they are valedictorians, we're talking like their families are like crying, it's like they have received like a scholarship from like USC, Stanford, Duke, Harvard. Like it's just been a beautiful thing to be uh someone that has led the changes in that as a speech and debate coach, and now as a public speaker, I travel around the country and I'd like to just give that transformation and pour into just kids around the world because the main thing is it's not that you can't, it's that you don't know how yet. And once you do, you really can become a world changer.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it, I love it, and I think you know, one of the things that you touched up on right away is when we can start finding when students start finding success, it gives them confidence, and it sounds like that's one of the things that you were able to unlock uh through speech and through debate uh with your students. So, man, hats off to you. Uh you know, because I'm big on bringing people on here that are making a difference um in education, and there's a lot of people doing it in a lot of different ways. Uh, you know, some people I've had people on that are doing it in literacy. I have other people, uh one of my last guests is guests was doing it um as a gym teacher, you know, and you're doing it down this avenue. So uh man, hats off to you and uh definitely thank you for the work um that you do because with that you've changed lives. And ultimately in education, you know, we're people that are doing this to change people's lives. So it's always awesome when you can see people that you know came to you one way, and you know, next thing you know, they're going to these major universities because you helped them unlock the skill that they didn't know um that they had. So, man, I definitely love love to hear that and appreciate that. Um, the first thing I kind of want to jump into, and if you're watching on YouTube, uh there's a black cat behind me. Uh, if you're not watching on YouTube, you should be watching on YouTube. Um so uh the first thing I just want to kind of talk about um is fearless communication, because as you and I know, people that speak, um even if uh you know communication is a skill that everyone needs to know whether they are a professional speaker, whether they're not. Um so what are some of the things as you were working with students um that helped you unlock that in them? Because they, you know, they talk about public speaking, it's one of the like biggest fears. I don't remember the nut statistic, but it's one of the biggest fears for people is just getting up in front of people and speaking. So, what is you know, what are some of the ways that you were able to unlock that in students that weren't comfortable doing that? You know, because I know it took you getting them out of their box to do it, but what are some of the th ways that you were able to unlock that within your students?

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, thank you, Ed. And I think what's funny is it's it's a wild number. Like 75% of people, not like people in the city, people in the state, people in our country, 75% of people have performance anxiety as it relates to public speaking, and so much so that 70% of college students um just like wince and like want to use the bathroom because they're so scared of giving presentations. And I think about the fact that sometimes we kind of make talking the boogeyman. So my thing in my work always starts off with let's play a game. I like to disarm students because whenever I'm teaching, one I'm like, we can expert, I don't like to talk about myself, like as it relates to that in the classroom. I want to get to know them, so I allow them to like have certain prompts, start to express certain things, they can have certain games. One of the things that I typically have them do is a what if scenario. So, like if they went to school and they got in just fine, I'm like, okay, what if like your bus derailed and like suddenly, like, you know, you had to walk to school rather than taking the bus and you were late? What would happen? Like, what happens if you didn't eat breakfast? Like, a lot of things to kind of get their frame of thinking. And I'm like, okay, you said that in thought. I want you to now practice being able to speak that. Like, what does it mean for you to be able to create a story? How do you hook people in? Because we're in this era where people just love TikTok and YouTube. So, what does it look like for you to grab me? Because the one thing that kids don't understand is that, like, you can be very boring, and that's that's normal. Like, I feel like they don't like teachers either feel uncomfortable saying that to a student, or students don't recognize that that could be the case, and that is you can come off a certain way because you either want to want to speak it, or you don't have like a certain hook. So, with kids, when it comes to like speaking, I'm like, okay, we can practice on the way that you hook things because I know how you guys do all the skibbity brain rot stuff. So I already know how you speak on a regular basis anyway. I need you to bring that into your personal life, and that's what's been able to help with speaking with kids that are like, I don't want to raise my hand. I'm like, Well, I see you. So that means there is no opt-down in my class. I've just that's just been my rule. You're getting up. So, like to have them be like, I don't know what to do. I'm like, just start talking. My name is Blank. It's very nice to meet you. I did this this morning, boom, and just seeing what can happen. So obviously, after some trepidation, they're just working on certain things, and I'm like, okay, we're gonna spin the style humorous, we're gonna make it dramatic, we're gonna make it like as if he was the one that punched your bus and it stopped working, so you have beef with him now. So, like, and with hood kids, it's always fun because they'll literally just come off with like a do-rag, and they're just like, What the f like they'll they'll just like pounce. So once they do that, okay, I'm like scene, because like I'm doing speech and debate in theater, so I'm like, okay, seen, that's raps, we're done. So now we get to kind of backtrack, backwards, plan, talk about what did we see here? And what did we see here is you have the ability to communicate. Now that was very unstructured, but we can start giving the building blocks of what does it take for you to be able to do X, Y, and Z. So being able to do that with a lot of students and getting to learn who they are. I think personalization is important in education because we see kids because they have blah blah blah, and it's just like that's not everybody can be amazing, but you need to learn who each person is. So that's been the main thing with working with them, and then when it comes to competitive sport, um like speech and debate, and even for college applications, it's like if you realize that they're only gonna give it to one person or that you're competing for this thing, what makes me want to look at you? I don't care about your skin color because I don't see that on the application. I don't care about where you came from because I don't see that on the application, and with Title I students specifically, they think that they're counted out because they're either poor or they're black or they're blah. And I'm just like, I mean, somebody who grew up like that specifically, I get it. And you are more than capable no more than able. So giving them that empowerment piece, allowing them to kind of play in those like scenarios, and then helping them structure it, allows them to start the journey to like creating their own voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and and I love it because it's you know, some of it is is personalizing it but raising the expectation. And it's like, you know, that's speech and debate is not something uh you'll tend to see at schools that are predominantly uh Title I, but it's something that with the right training, kids can be great at. And communication isn't something that's just limited to you know, speech and debate. You know, these kids may have you know a clothing line when they get over there, and they gotta present it to investors. They may get in trouble in college and they gotta go in front of a professor and like tell them, like, this is why I did this. And it's tough for kids because a lot of times we haven't trained them how to communicate properly. And I think with this era of kids too, it's a little different because everything is so impersonal with the text message, like W Y D. Like, what are you is that it? What are you doing? But you know, it's like stuff like that is how our kids are used to communicating, so it's such a different world. Um, but they still need to know the the foundation of this is how you sell yourself, this is how you sell a product, this is how you communicate, this is how you draw people in, this is how you talk to people's emotions. And I think that's a valuable skill set for anyone to know, but I think it's a valuable skill set that is not often taught in you know, schools in the Bronx and you know, schools in big urban cities because it's more of a suburban-ish type program because a lot of schools when they cut funding, they cut these are the type of things they cut. They cut the arts, they cut the you know, the last thing they'll cut is the football and basketball team, you know, but they'll cut everything else when it's like there are some kids that these type of programs are the only thing that keeps them from falling back into whatever habits their family has or whatever you know tr uh uh struggles that they come from. It's like these are the things that can for some kids are gonna be a difference, like you said, between them falling through the cracks of the Bronx or them ending up at a USC in Stanford and now their whole family's uh life has changed. So I love to hear that. And one of the things kind of transitioning, um, talking about man, this guy just is just living life over here, um, is uh doing it scared, because you talked about that right in the beginning. And what is for you you know, I I mean I I've seen your content, so I have a good understanding, but for the people that are listening, what do you when you talk about doing it scared with your students, what do you, or just with anyone that you're training, whether it's students, uh leaders, whoever you're training in communication, what is doing it scared mean, and then what does it look like?

SPEAKER_02:

So do it scared was actually born out of my story. I actually I died a couple of years ago, and I was dead for 11 minutes. I was resuscitated and ended up in a coma. I lost the ability to speak, the ability to eat, the ability to move, and the doctors were saying that this is just gonna be your regular normal. Like at best, you will survive. And at practical, you'll probably never really be able to move or talk again. So to be able to overcome that, I realized that tomorrow's not promised. And I know that's something we often hear, but until you face it, it's not really something that is a reality for you. So, with a lot of kids, especially the neighborhood where I come from, where it's it's uh it used to be it was shoot first, ask questions later, it's like okay, well, how about we don't do that? And I have a lot of friends, a lot of people that I know that still fall into that vein of that. So when it comes to okay, how about we try to be empathetic? How about we try to communicate? How about we try to? I was gonna talk about also code switching because I know that in like suburban communities, and I've I've I've coached at Stanford before, like suburban communities are very much their sheltered, but they also they have the support, but also there's one thing that they have a hard time doing at times, and that's code switching. We know how to code switch, but the thing is as a as a speaker as a person, you should be able to code switch well. Like, I I'm I'm okay with you doing the WIDs, just don't send that to like the person interviewing you for a job. Yeah, yeah. So it just it's just there's a time and place, and you know, and there's a season for everything. But for do it scared, it's being able to like later rest the whole um analysis paralysis, which we often think it's only an adult thing, it's kids they're just my shoes. Do they like me? Like it's a whole bunch of things there. So laying that to bed and being able to just go at it, and it's very important if you are scared, it's very important if you are trepiditious, if you are frightened, if you are paralyzed, if you are just wincing, and like you, you're it's such a cataclysmically big thing, you're like, oh my gosh. Um, because if you can not conquer your fear and not beat it, but face it and endure it and embrace it, then that's what makes you an expert level communicator. And communication isn't just uh like a speaker, it's communication is also like as you relate to your friend, as you relate to your your colleague, as you relate to the teacher, your supervisor. Like, you know, there's a there's a certain tone you should probably have at like 8 56 in the morning when you haven't had coffee or breakfast, and they they say something, and like you're from like Detroit, and you know ain't nobody gonna talk to me like that. But also, they were out of line because they they just kind of said it without context as to how you were feeling in that moment, and that's the presence in my framework. But also, like, you probably need to eat a sandwich before you talk to this guy, and with kids, it's the same. There have been any times like mid-lesson, I'll I'll I'll literally just get him snacks. Not because, oh my gosh, the teacher that doesn't understand rules. It's I already know that this person, when they don't eat, they become the person that gets just detention upon detention upon detention. And it's like something tells me they showed up late at like 8 20 in the morning. They're late, you yell at them, I'm their first period teacher. And they're like, Mr. Troll. I'm like, no, no, no, we're not doing this today. So I'm like, you spin around the block, whatever you need to do, come right back here, and I'll get you a granola bar, and then we can talk about a bacon and cheese later. And they'll just go from like girl to like thank you, and like walk away. But that's the thing, is being able to do that, and part of that is doing it scared, part of that is being able to just forsake the rule set, forsake what you think and you know, and just trying it anyway and living with intentionality. Because if we can be able to do that as adults and then teach that to our students, then it's only a matter of time before it catches waves, and it doesn't really matter where you come from as long as you have that mindset and that like that that that intention behind your thought, then it's only a matter of time before you start living that way.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I and I love it because you know it's something you know I talk about this to teachers all the time when we're talking about uh school culture, classroom culture, um, is a lot of behaviors are just you know unmet needs, and behaviors are communicating something. And oftentimes, you I mean, we're all this kids are any different. I can think about the times when I'm hungry, things irritate me more. When I'm tired, things irritate me more, you know. So it's as uh teachers and as educators, kids are no different. You know, so same thing for you. It's like kids are coming in, you don't always have to speak to communicate. And that's the thing I think as educators, you know, we gotta make sure we're listening to because you know, kids are coming in our classroom with unmet needs and they're communicating something, and instead of you getting upset, getting frustrated, you're like, no, no, no. Like, let's get you a snack, let's chill for a second, and then let's let's figure out what's going on. And I, you know, it's just little stuff like that that you know I always like to remind educators that you know, I was listening. That was one of the main things I just pulled out of there. It's like, you know, we do it scare, but we gotta make sure we're still hearing what's being communicated, even though everything is not always uh being spoken to us. So I I love um that you shared that. And what I want to do quick, I want to take a quick pause, and we're talking about eating and showing up to work tired. Uh, but I want to give a second to shout out uh Rise Superfoods, uh Rise Mushroom Coffee R-Y-Z-E, is filled with six essential mushrooms. Uh, some of the things that it's helped me with is bloating, uh, stress. It actually reduces anxiety and it tastes phenomenal. I have it just about every single morning, and I have it with a little bit of honey, and it has truly changed how my mornings have started uh by switching over to Rise Mushroom Coffee. So if you are listening and you're interested in checking it out, what I would encourage you to do is head over to Rise Superfoods, R-Y-Z-E, Superfoods.com and use code EdwardDeschazer and you can get 15% off uh your first order. So check it out, Mushroom Coffee Rise R Y-Z-E Superfoods. A shout out to them for being one of our affiliate partners. Uh, but head over to their website, check it out. I absolutely love it. And if you're still watching, uh, there's a cat hitting my microphone. So if you're not watching, you don't see that. But what I want to kind of finish the last segment with after we got through that is just talking about building student voices, but building people people's voices. Um, because there are there are gonna be educators that are listening. You know, one thing that I know you've done well, you know, just and anyone hearing can tell is how you've helped students find their voice, build their voice. But I know you've helped educators do that. So I want I the last little segment I want to talk about it is, you know, what there's an educator that's listening that feels they don't have a voice, whether it's in their school, whether it's in their home, whether it's um in their community. What are some of the things that can help an educator who's trying to find their voice? What are some of the things that an educator can do? Like what you know, when you're working with an educator or working with a leader, what are some of the ways you help people find their voice?

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_02:

I one of the things I always I often like to do is to ask the educator, why are you in front of me? I mean, and just like what what made you want to ask that question whenever we have the one-on-one consultations or you know they ask me to come over and just like see what they're doing in class. I'm just like, well, let's start off with like why did you ask me to come? But then also what's your why? Because I feel like if you don't have a why and this is just a paycheck, we're wasting our time here. But if you your why is that you want to educate, okay, educating in your discipline, educating your like like what's specifically in your subject matter? Are you trying to be a master in your subject matter? Are you trying to be a master in classroom management? Are you trying to be a match? Because we're talking about mastery, like we're not talking about you just being a regular dagular, as the kids say, teacher, like you're not that's not what you want to do. Like, you want to be so confident in who you are as an educator, but also who you are in the subject matter you teach. Um, and that's the thing, you have to be willing to understand the kids are not gonna like that at 7, 8, 9 in the morning. They're just going to be angry with you for no reason. Sometimes, like you said, with the unmeet unmet needs. Sometimes because, you know, their boyfriend broke up with them and they're pissed. And, you know, their boyfriend was Dominican, and you're Dominican, so that's that's your that's that's your fault, apparently. Um, I'm serious, that actually happened to me. And I and I'm like, okay, and it's just like, nah, I don't know, it's not that I don't like you, Trunco. So I just he I I gave him everything. And I'm like, okay, so that's that's figuring out them. But again, whatever the emotions that happen with these kids, that's not really the the concern for why you do what you do. And once you realize that, LaCrae is a really popular rapper and one that I love a lot. He says, if you live for people's um acceptance, you're going to die by their rejection.

SPEAKER_00:

So the kids that say that say that one more time.

SPEAKER_02:

If you live for people's acceptance, you will die by their rejection. So for us as educators, the kids cannot, like their opinions, their tumultuous behaviors, their moving, they yell 6-7 randomly. Like, none of those things can be the reason for why you do what you do. So, with educators, I always want to just kind of lay the foundation of what is the reason you're in the classroom, what is the reason you're trying to do things? Have you mapped out who you are as an educator? First off, who you are as an individual, but as an educator, as a subject matter expert in this specific subject, why this group? But also on the hard days when because we're not betting a thousand every day, but on the hard days, what is something you always want to remember that you like about what you do when you talk? And I think we always have to remind ourselves of that because protocols and systems aside, there's a level of personalization that comes when you talk, when you speak, when you teach. There's that one kid that that cannot wait to be in front of you. There's just a myriad of kids that have never expressed it to you, probably won't until graduation, probably won't ever. That make that literally you are the reason, you are their why for why they decided to not give up and actually show up the next day. And that next day turned into the next month, and that next month turned into the next year, that next year turned into them not failing. Instead, they got a 3.0 only because of the fact that you spoke to them once, you looked at them, you saw them. And sometimes we have to always remember that that will always happen. We need to make sure that we're that person, we're that teacher. We can have an identity crisis because, again, if you have your like if you rely on the approval of children or the approval of even your colleagues, it's not gonna really help. You have to be very narrow-minded as it relates to what is the reason you're doing this, and because this is your reason and your why, even on the bad days, you remind yourself that it's okay, that I'm effective, that I'm good at what I'm doing, and it's all gonna work out.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, and it's important because there are hey, news flash to anyone's listen that's listening, there are going to be bad days. Every day is not gonna be perfect, you know, and and it's important to remember, you know, those good moments because sometimes, like you said, it's that parent that's crying when their kid gets accepted to college. You know, you don't think about all the days that led up to that, but those are the days that we hold on to is like this is why I do what I do, because these are the moments that we're never gonna forget as adults, and these are the moments that those kids and those parents are never gonna forget, uh, because an educator like you poured into them um when a lot of other people have given up on kids and written them off, and like you said, they just show up because this is just what they've done and they're just existing in a classroom. Um, you know, so I think that that last part was super important. Um, and I hope someone listening really, really got that, you know, because if we gotta show up and do our best, forget about what the students think. Obviously, their perception of us is important as we do this work and building relationships, but like we have to know and understand why do we show up to work every single day to do what we do, no matter what you do in a school. There's a reason that you're showing up day in, day out, and we gotta make sure that we uh stay locked into that. So, what I want to do as we close out, definitely appreciate you jumping on. I always like to finish with a little this or that. So I'm gonna have some this or that questions. Uh, you can give me a quick answer to them, and then when I'm done, I want to give you an opportunity just to let everyone know where they can find you, website, any of that information on social. Um, so first and foremost, this or that. Would you rather owe someone money or owe someone a favor?

SPEAKER_02:

Owe someone money.

SPEAKER_00:

Owe someone money. Yeah, you don't know what that favor is gonna be. The money is not a good thing.

SPEAKER_02:

The favor, the time, time, time, something. I I don't know if that's too ambiguous for me. I'm like, I'll pay you, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00:

The next one, would you rather be rich and famous or rich and unknown?

SPEAKER_02:

Rich and unknown. There have been many times where there was like a period this summer, I'm literally like on like boarding a flight. I Mr. Charcoso, first off, I'm not even in New York, so I don't even know who I am. I am not famous, nothing. So I'm like, I'm okay with just being low-key. So yeah, I I'd be fine being unknown.

SPEAKER_00:

So this is for would you rather walk or catch the train? And I'm not saying like walking a hundred miles or catching a train. If you're you know you're in the Bronx, would you rather walk to your destination or catch the what is it, like the blue line, or what's the trains out there? Whatever the train is.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, so so like we got we got I mean, we got all the numbers, all the letters. Um, the bus that looked like it was gonna be packed, and I'm like, ah, I'll walk. So that happened today. I I'll take walking any day. Breathing, smelling the concrete, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Alright, the the next one is and I'm pretty sure I maybe I know the answer to this, knowing where you live city or countryside.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, I would say countryside only because I've had both. I've been exposed to both. And I think I would say it it edited probably a hybrid model. Like, I think if I could live like in like a country type of environment, not where like I said, there's a ton of buildings, but like there's a train next, like nearby, so like I go into the city to do work, like that's that's great for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. Well, man, I definitely appreciate you uh for jumping on and joining me. I appreciate the work that you do um in education. I love to see the stuff that you're sharing and posting. What I want to give you an opportunity to do for any of the any of the listeners that are listening, uh, can you let them know where they can find you on socials, website, any information for anyone that's listening so they can tap in with you uh personally?

SPEAKER_02:

Of course. So on Instagram, I'm Noberto Troncoso Official. You guys can find me on www.troncoso ventures.com. If I need to spell it, let me know. Um but I spell it out. Spell it out just in case. I'm in www.t-r-o-n-c-o-s-o-v-e-n.com. Um and yeah, I also I'm also popping up as much as if I can wherever I can. Um, but yeah, that's where I you can find me. Let's partner, let's collab, let's do all the things. And um, and yeah, you stop stop acting like you don't matter. Like, because I I know we're in September, it's another year, some of y'all are burnt out, it's year nine, 16, year two. You're you're just like gurr. You matter, you know, act like it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, I love it. Man, definitely thank you for joining me. If if you've anything that you've uh listened today, if some you enjoyed, again, please share it. Uh please like, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Please subscribe if you're listening on YouTube. Please share with the coworker. Um, and if you're listening, just as I always like to close out, uh continue to stay inspired, continue to stay connected, and continue to stay growing. Uh, this is the Teachers Ed Podcast. Uh definitely appreciate you all for joining me, Norberto. I appreciate you for taking time and jumping on. I just appreciate for the I appreciate you uh for the work that you do with your students and knowing that like you and you change lives. Um so thank you for the work that you do for your kids. Um thank everyone for tuning in. Uh, we will see you all next week.