On this edition of Swan Dive, things get real! Ron takes his leap and tells his boss he's leaving his job to change gears. We talk about how that conversation went, the power of activating your network and how to take the baby steps toward your dive. You know how we all say, "one of these days, Im gonna ..."? Today is "one of these days" ... on Swan Dive.
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On this edition of Swan Dive, things get real! Ron takes his leap and tells his boss he's leaving his job to change gears. We talk about how that conversation went, the power of activating your network and how to take the baby steps toward your dive. You know how we all say, "one of these days, Im gonna ..."? Today is "one of these days" ... on Swan Dive.
Share your Swan Dive at www.swandive.us
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Hey, everyone. And welcome to another edition of Swan dive. Not just for context. We recorded these talks in January and February before the entire planet paused, but nonetheless, these conversations about changing or even more relevant now. So in this episode, after 16 years, I tell my boss on leaving you talk about how that conversation went the power of activating your network, about putting your right shoe on first and how today is one of these days. We might even talk a little bit about the movie. Good will Hunting. This just got real. Dive has happened right now on swan dive from the studios at Peacock in Park in historic Avondale, Jacksonville, Florida, and coming to you from a thatched hut somewhere in Costa Rica. In the fancy, nasty studios, it's Ron Rothberg and Stu Sheldon with another edition of Swan Dive a pivot into your vision. Hey, Stu.
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Hey, my brother. Nice to hear you.
spk_0: 1:06
Yeah, man. So, did you get your surf session in this morning? That's important.
spk_1: 1:12
Check. Roger that. Beautiful morning here on the northwest corner of paradise and feeling good.
spk_0: 1:20
Very good. Well, this is an interesting and very important episode of this here story. You know, we're doing this because we know there are several voices out there that are similar to ours. Ah, there is an uncomfortable in doing the same things we've done. And it is just coming to the point of diving, diving into your vision, diving into your future, diving into your talents, diving into the things inside you that, you know, you have that you haven't activated yet. And this is an important, an ongoing conversation. And why is this an important one? This was the week that I made my declarations. D'oh! I made it known to those around May the important people that I that I work with, um, that it was time for me to go
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and that that that is a big deal. I mean, that that's almost that almost warrants a moment of silence because which I mean, capable of doing. But nevertheless, that is such a big moment. And I applaud you, and I can't wait to hear the details,
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so yeah, so definitely I'm airborne right now. You know, the toes air off the cliff. We talked about this before. It's really important to kind of go back in time and understand how we got here and one of the things that keeps us on the top of the cliff. It seems like that metaphor is great because it took me a couple of years and climbing and I went down and I went up and I went down and I went up. But one thing was certain was that as I was climbing, I was very, very aware of the roots and the grooves that I wore in the ground in the 16 year career that I had. Don't get me wrong. It was a great career. I have had a wonderful run, but it was time. And you have brought this up before the concept of grooves that you wear in the ground, just kind of putting your head down and getting programmed and doing the same thing day after day. How do we get there?
spk_1: 3:15
Well, listen, it neural pathways. I mean, it's science, you know, you, uh, if you do the same thing the same way day after day, year after year, it becomes part of your neural networking, and it's how you do it. And that same idea is present in anything you become familiar with something you become comfortable with doing it that way. That doesn't necessarily mean that you like doing it that way, But you know how to do it that way. And, uh, and a lot of folks can never know they miss a mistake. Comfort for wellness or comfort for satisfaction, or save it and save. Exactly. And for safety, it happens in marriages. It happens in professional lives. It happens in relationships and, uh, it zip. It takes a big person to really recognize your patterning in your grooves and kind of climbing your way up. Out of that is look around and go dig new groups, you know, which is what you just started to do.
spk_0: 4:27
Sure. And those neural pathways and those worn grooves are very hard to to break. I was in Israel in November. I went on a men's group trip to Israel. It was sponsored by a local uh, temple, and I was with the group. I'm not I'm not a religious person. I'm not a devout Jewish person. I believe in Judaism is a culture. But the religious part of it had been kind of hitting and missing for quite some time. But this was a really interesting trip, and I learned a lot of things. And one
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of the
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things that was I was exposed to devout, practicing Orthodox Jews do this thing Ah, that I never knew about. They may make a prayer when they put the right shoe on first, and they consciously put their right shoe on first and dedicate those several minutes to thinking about doing something kind for somebody else that day. And I thought, Wow, what a beautiful, perfect, simple thing that I can dedicate to Aiken, Take this with me. You know, I loved the people of Israel. I loved the country of Israel. I loved her history, Judaism, You know, there's a great pragmatism to a lot of Judaism, and I respect that the laws of kosher and then this this right shoe first to do something good for somebody I that somebody else. So I come back and I tell my wife and kids way too many times because I think I'm annoying and I say, I'm gonna do this. This is what you know. This is a great thing. It's a simple thing to adopt in your day. So weeks pass and I I am intentional with this, I I am intentional. I'm in my morning routine. I'm in the shower. I'm washing my hair. I get out, I brush my teeth, I go to the bedroom, I get in my car, I'm driving in my car and I'm like, Wait, did I put my right shoe on first? Who thought a lot about it the next day? Same thing I'm shaving. I'm doing my thing. I get to work. I'm at my desk. Holy cow again. I didn't do it. Honest to goodness, it took a full three months until a full week went by when I was able to re program myself. Get out of the groove and just say, this is it. I've done it five days in a row. I put my right shoe on first with the intention of doing something kind for for others. And I thought about stew. I thought about it. I thought about why Why does that take so much time to re program yourself? And I fully believe from me. It's the just the difficulty and being present and that whole nerd, the whole need to be on to the next thing. Because the thing that you're doing right now, that stupid, benign act of putting on your shoes could in fact be the most important thing you did that day.
spk_1: 7:17
Hey, yeah, listen, I mean, the bottom line is you're learning to be intentional. It's It's something that most of us are not. I'm learning as well and really trying to think about that. Um, my question is also did you actually do a kind thing for another person? It's one thing to put your shoe on and think about it. The other thing is, did you actually activate the intention? You
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know, it's funny. Yes. Ah, and it's something. Ah, it's remarkable when you think about that early in the day and you go through your day like just the other day. I'm walking my dog and I see another guy walking his dog, a neighbor, and we exchanged names and pleasantries, and he lives a couple of streets over, and I live over here, and it was a simple as being kind to each other and acknowledging each other, and that was as big as it got for me that day. And then that was big and So just like you said, intentional, intentional and the intent of breaking through the grooves and breaking through the routine and getting out of the comfort will take a long time because this is a long game. I love that that this is a long game and I embrace that. And so in this long game, going back in time, we had every intention of of me doing this dive in 2021 January 2021. It was all on paper. My wife and I talked about it. I was gonna work another year, and at the end of last year, I just I'd made up my mind a different way. I pivoted and I said, I can't do it anymore. I'm ready. I am so ready. It is time. And so I moved that time line up. My wife had her reservations because I have been known to start things and maybe not finish him and, um, in the past. But this was something that was too important not to finish. So going forward in time because it just wouldn't do it was like it was inside me. I was a little bit was dying every day and I couldn't. I couldn't exist and thrive in that. So I went forward. And so yes, So this week I I, um I did it. I walked into my boss's office. Ah, woman with whom I've known for a dozen years. Plus and I respect her very much. She's wonderful. She's been supportive. You had talked last time about this thes arms around you that once you make that decision, you're gonna find that people are gonna embrace and love and support you. And I was very nervous about this conversation, but I put it out there on I put it out there very quickly.
spk_1: 10:02
What did you say exactly?
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I said, listen, this is something I want to get your personal advice on this, and this is what I am going to! And this is why. And I am going to be gone from the company at the end of March. It's I thought about all the things involved in this, and I respect you so much that I have to give you a cz much time as possible to make a good succession plan. But this is what I'm doing because I can't look inwardly and do the things that I need to do for you and for this company anymore. Outwardly and so the honest, forthright, courageous thing to do and we'll get back to that word in just a second is to, ah to put it all out there and ah, and let you know what's going on. And then what did
spk_1: 10:49
she say? What did she say exactly to you? After at that moment,
spk_0: 10:53
she said, I thought I'd be gone before you and then she and then on. And then she used that C word. Courage. It takes a lot of courage to do that. And, um, and I pushed back on the on the seaward. Um, I think it's and then I thought about that. Ah, is it courageous? Is it survival? Um, I think it's a combination of having the courage to follow your convictions. If you made up your mind on the inside, you have to bring it out. And and I believe that that's what that courage is, is the courage to follow the convictions. Whatever decision you made, whatever your your next step is, you know to follow through on it, and there's a lot of people out there that that I've talked to recently that have said, I want to do this but I got to do this first and the grooves keep grind in and the comfort is there and the safety is there and that's okay because it's gonna come. It's gonna be their time. This just happened to be my time. This just happened to be my time. No judgment, no timeline on anyone. It is a long game. But this happened to be my time, and that's what I told her and and she embraced it. She had absolutely, absolutely embraced it and quite honestly, was a bit envious of of of what was going on, because I told her a couple of things that I had going on on the outside. I said, I'm diving into this. This this realm, this medium of podcasting. I really feel like there's a voice there that we stew are contributing to this platform in this medium, and we have something very important to tell, and, um, I just have been drawn into this. You and I text back and forth and I'm giddy. I'm like busting at the seams to open up the microphones and have a conversation. And that's drive and passion. And those are the things that was were missing. Ah, while I was climbing that cliff And while I was peering down at the water and where and I was just paused at the top, Yeah, caused at the top.
spk_1: 12:58
I think that our culture, I mean, the U. S culture is inherently aspirational. In other words, we all have dreams. And one day, and I'm going to, um and far too often, we we don't activate the dream state. You know, this whole idea of one day I'm gonna one of these days.
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Why I otta...
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my life is about Today is one of these days. Today is the day that I said, You know what I said One day I met this day? Yes. And so for so much so so many of us in so many of you out there one of these days. When is that exactly? Do me a favor. Open your calendar and tell me what? Because I contend that it's like in the next 30 days. Okay, That's when one of these days, it and we just need to sort of rethink this because the idea of being present. It's so it's such an overused term. But it I was at a party last night and I met a guy Happy go lucky Spanish guy. And I said, Hey, man, 2020 Perfect vision. What do you see? What what do you got? What you looking forward to? And he said, Listen, man, there's nothing but right now this moment that I'm looking I'm enjoying this moment right now. There's nothing behind me. There's nothing in front of me. I'm talking to you. I feel great. Life is good. Put Evita, and I'm like, dude, best answer ever on. And so it's Yeah, it's one of those days. It's one of one of these is today. And I think that people need to sort of wrap their arms around that idea that it could be now it can be now. Sure. You gotta get your finances in order. Sure. You gotta be up and get your partner on board. Sure. You know, you got to do it with respect when you walk in your boss's office, as you clearly did. But just get your arms around like one of these days is now and Let's get on with it. You know, that's like the first part of this
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and the now has a payoff. I walked out with a very much ah, skip in my step. I felt the relief, immediate relief that was lift lifted from my shoulders. That that I knew it was the right thing to do was the right time to do it. I felt so good about it. I called my wife and I said, Hey, talk to it. Let's let the cat out of the baggage is really? Yep, it's happening. It's happening. And then I reached out to several other folks. Ah, in my network, we'll talk about that in just a second, cause that's one of the most important things I think about this whole journey is your network and activating that. And I was met with so much love supports, envy, jealousy all those things, you know, 16 years of grooves is a long time for me, for me and ah, and others, I'm sure have deep grooves that the cows going from one side of the pasture to the other, and it's hard to do that. So I got home hug. My wife poured myself a nice whiskey on the rocks and I turned on the TV. I was feeling really good. I turn on the TV studio and I bumped into the beginning of the movie Good Will Hunting with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. And, uh, I will contend that's probably one of the best masterpieces ever created. Um, and I just watched that movie and freaking cried my eyes out at so many different things. You know, it's a story of perception, identity and embracing yourself and your gifts. I was like, shit. How important was that for me at that moment? And then Robin Frickin Williams, an Academy Award and his deep, beautiful, blue troubled eyes that look back at you now and you see the depths of that pain? Wow, you
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know? Oh, yeah.
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And then I got you know, one of our conversations earlier was about curiosity. So I got real curious about good will hunting. Why good will hunting? Why's that on right now? Why am I deep in the middle of this? And it was, of course, the movie that launched the careers of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. They wrote this. Matt Damon was a senior at Harvard. He turned this in as a one act play and then years back and forth with producers, it became what it was. They lived on each other's couch in l. A. But they embraced who they were in their Bostonian background and delivered on the authenticity in such a remarkable way that it launched him into who they are, what they did.
spk_1: 17:57
Yeah, you know, you tap on this this idea of authenticity and it's really hard for a lot of us to discover who we are, who we are authentically because we spent so many years and eventually decades many of us not necessarily being who we authentically are, but being who we need to be to pay the bills or being who we think people that we admire want us to be or think that we should be. And eventually we get into these grooves and then all of a sudden, 30 years pass. And you know, you're not really ever doing what you're best at, who you authentically are and what your gifts are. You're not activating your gifts. I think so much of this idea of a swan dive is about activating your gifts. Everybody's got gifts. Everybody's got their thing. You know that they're good at that. Their best at that. They that is the greatest value to not only themselves but the world at large. How do we all get to that? How do we all discover what that is? And it fully own it and activated. And I don't have the answer for that. But I do know that there is a first step in that first step is is the pivot. And, uh and I can say I can hear in your voice the elation. I can hear the sense of self worth and pride in your in yourself as you should feel, and I feel it for you. I mean, I've watched your career from day one from your early days as a radio, you know, sort of a powerhouse deejay, making moves in that and having fun, and then watched you evolve into the media space with Comcast and and I'm sure you were just great at it, and you could have con on could have made a lot more money on, and you did well, financially and otherwise. And so you know you could have just kept on going and just kept collecting the benefits of that. But But I could have. But you didn't, man, you wanted it wasn't your a manifestation of your greatest gifts. You have many skills, and we all have many skills. But your greatest gifts and your greatest talents, the shiniest of all your talents, is your creative spark, your humor, your ability to string a narrative with both humor and heart and on. And that is, you know where where you're headed now, but good hearted man.
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But thanks, man. But it's but beyond, you know, having to make that pivot is the reality. And I think this is the Why this voice is such a shared voice is that several other people in several other industries are going to be faced with the same thing. The truth of the matter is, technology is changing the world as we know it. It's changing industry as we know it. It's sharpening industries, it's flattening industries. It's blowing up industries and and for us and our colleagues and people in this place, in this space, we need to have our eyes wide open and go back to authenticity and honesty, honesty and at looking at where you are and where the runway is gonna take you. And and that was part of my decision and something that I share with a lot of people. When I have these conversations, I think in the back of everyone's mind they know that there is a future outside of where they currently are and at the time of authenticity, and that the time of honesty to activate a plan to go towards something that is more meaningful toward for them and more honest in their heart it's going to happen. It's just a matter of when the voice we share with a lot of people at this moment in time is that technology is going to displace most every industry and change it. Are you able to change with it? Are you able to pivot into something else and for me, for you, with your art, for me, with this platform and some other things that air that are out there for me? Um, I have a great opportunity to pivot into my past and activate those treasures those gifts that I have and that's really important. But the other part of it. The important part now as I go forward. So that happened this week. The most important thing that happened for me this week was the validation I got from my network. And I really want to talk about the network that we have around us and why it's so important to tap into that while you dive because your network is there for you. I had a conversation with a lifelong friend. Gosh, I love these lifelong friends. Um, someone. I went to college with George Woods, who? He gave me a job. I still I worked for the NFL. He was the marketing director for the Tampa Bay Bucks, and he gave me a job. I was the voice of the animal Elektronik parent on the back of the pirate ship when they opened the new stadium and it was so much fun. And I've known him forever, and I called him and I said, George, he pivoted. You did your thing, um, what was the most important thing? And he said, Your network. He said, Your network, he said, reach out to people. He said, People want to help. People will embrace you and It's human nature. It's human nature. Thio, toe Lend that hand and I did that. I reached out to several people with whom I covet their their opinion, and I talked my way through it, and it felt so good on a couple of different levels. Number one. It was a great excuse to reconnect with people. But another level. It was validation of the decisions that I made and why it was important to do them. And as I go forward, that network is going to be very important. And I'm sure several folks have networks that that that are the same thing. You talked about your network. Ah, and how just random ways that you blew up that came to you as such a surprise.
spk_1: 23:49
Well, listen, my I mean, let's talk about my pivot and, you know, I pivoted 30 years ago from from finance to fine art. Well to film school. Fine art came a couple decades later, but nevertheless, um, basically, I was like that cliche kid who just wanted any job and, you know, in Hollywood kind of thing. I'll do anything. I'll clean the toilets. Just get me on a movie set kind of thing, and after a year of the University of Miami film school, I moved to Los Angeles because I was trying to get wanted, finished up a better film school. But that's not the point. The point is, is that I moved to Los Angeles and I had basically a year to kill while I was applying to get in one of the good schools. And so I figured I want T o my buddy's, um, were had at an apartment. I moved in with those two guys that both were in the business in the film business, and and I told them both Hey, man, you know, what do you got? You know, anything, I'll do anything if you got any love on the set of your shows or whatever. So first of all, um, the week after I get there, I come home and one of my roommate says, Hey, stew, I want you to check this out. He throws his script on a table or a look like a script on a table, and he says, turn to Page seven, Open the thing up. I turn to page seven, I look down. This is production assistance boom, boom, boom. Stuart felt. So I'm on this show and I was like, Wow, dude, this is insane! And it was Michael Jackson's black or white video. So my very first gig in one week being in hot in Los Angeles, uh, was working with Michael Jackson. And it was only because of my network on Lee because of my friend who I reached out to and who reached back and who you know who brought it. And and that was incredible. And then shortly thereafter, my mom, who was a public school teacher and had a colleague who was also a public school teacher, reached out to a friend of hers because her son had become a big time producer and writer in Hollywood. Had, like seven movies in the can already and have won awards. So she reached out to her son, who's and and I, in turn, got to meet him. I invited him. Lunch remind you I'm a vice president of investments, have been managing millions of dollars. So I say, Dude, let me take your lunch. Let's get together Trotted. Got to know him. Hey, this is what I want to do. Chasing my passion, etcetera, etcetera. You got anything? He calls me back a week later. Um, would you mind driving the star on my next movie on? I became a ship. Donald Sutherland's chauffeur night. Several months. So Michael Jackson. Donald. So you know, it all just happened because of my mom and my good friend and the other folks in my network who also started those things just kept happening. I reached out there was enthusiasm going in both directions. They were happy to help me. They genuinely did help me. I took advantage of the situation. So So yeah, man, you're just gonna find, I'm sure Now that you know that you're out, you're sort of come out with this whole new new you new direction that people are gonna be like, Oh, absolutely. You're in the podcast. This is Well, my cousin's been doing that for two years, and I mean, it's just going to start click, click, clicking along. And because once you sort of put a marker down and say I am this this and this is what I want and this is what I'm into. People will start to sort of respond to you as that
spk_0: 27:23
But still, I think it's bigger than that. I think it's I think the bigger point than that is that you're not an island, that we're all in this together. And, uh, there's a lot of people that want to give that warm embrace. I fully believe that, you know, and, um just like Michael Jackson, you know, but But it's it's It is. I think I I hope I live my life, that people are well intended that have good intentions. And that's what I think it was so important. What George told me about the things that came back to him from his network were the things that you just said. People are warm, excited, helpful and and just thinking about it in that way gives you that pause to do it because you have a lot of hands around you and that, Well, that, to me, is
spk_1: 28:16
huge. Here's what I'm gonna say when someone has what you know. When I decided to leave Wall Street, I looked in my parents eyes and my parents are wonderful parents and they're wonderful people. And they saw in my eyes the truth. They saw my truth. My truth was that I was in agony, that I was not in the right career, that I've given it five years. I mean, I know I wasn't just bailing, you know, And they saw the truth in my eyes that, like, this was what I that my dream. I had dreams that I wanted to chase those dreams that I wanted to pivot. They saw that and they embrace that. And they supported me because they love me. And of course, they want their child to move towards his truth and his authenticity and so forth. Every single person that you or whomever is listening out there meets. Once you have pivoted to your truth, to your vision, to your authentic self, they're going to see it in your eyes. They're gonna feel the enthusiasm coming off of you. They're going to feel the stoke that you feel and the pride that you have in yourself. They're going to get jazzed by your energy, your positive energy and your current and your backbone that inspires people. You will become an inspiration to virtually everyone that you encounter because everyone wants to pivot. Everyone wants to be their best Selves. But not many people have the balls to do it. So if you if and when you do that you are going to not only be supported like with contacts and so forth, but like be admired, you're going to be admired and appreciated, loved and and exemplified. And it's really it's our beautiful feeling man to, like be doing you when you do yourself. When you do, you people feel it. People admire, and people want to see it succeed. You know us, your network will come to your aid.
spk_0: 30:23
You know, one of the most gratifying things that happened in my career in the last five years was a co worker confiding in me and thanking me for being such a mentor to her. And I never knew what I meant to her. And it was really eye opening for me and one of those hidden treasures of life that you've helped someone just organically and made an impact. And, um and it came back to me in such a way that that that that was a treasure in that to me is something that that will probably manifest it stuff over and over again in the way that you just talked about,
spk_1: 31:08
No doubt about it. No doubt. Have you ever I don't want to paint the picture. Pollyannish. Picture that as soon as you pivot. Everything is great in the world, loves you, and we all live happily ever after. I need like my my art career has been long and arduous and remains, though, um, but But there's never a moment when I when I regret that pivot. There's never a moment when I'm not proud of myself for making that change, and I think most of us will feel that way afterwards,
spk_0: 31:38
and I think that that's what's going to come in the weeks to come. That's why I'm excited about this conversation as it unfolds in real time, because I know there's going to be walls that will be hit with my forehead, and I know I'm gonna have to stitch it up. Ah, and I know that that's coming, and I'm embracing that to Ah, I am not going into this thinking that it's gonna be a happily ever after. The water might be colder than I thought. It might be more shallow than I thought. Um, I might not push myself away from the edge as far as I would have thought. But I am going to be able to handle all those things regardless of what happens because I'm in mid flight right now. I'm in your head freaking flight right now. You know, back toe. One other point that I wanted to make about activating your network and your neighbors. Um, I told this story to you, and I think it's one of the most important tales I've I've heard in quite some time. My neighbor Lenny, who owns a flower shop in our neighborhood. When we moved in here, he came over and we got to know each other. He's an interesting cat and he said, You know, if you only knew what your neighbor needed, we'd all be so much better and in the middle of the dive and before the dive and after the dive, Um, knowing that I am not alone and knowing that I am going to go to my neighbors, my colleagues, my network, my friends, people that I trust people that I respect people that I admire, and I think they have the same admiration back, I hope in some way, shape or form we're gonna do this together, Um, and we're going to see what we need, and I'm going to satisfy some of those needs and and maybe I'm not in some respects, but it's gonna be out there, and that's what's really freaking exciting for me back in times do. Like earlier in my career, I had my own company, I was doing voice overs and I was writing jingles and I was doing the stuff in front of the camera for the Fox Kids Club is Captain Ron and the most excited part of my my life. It was the most thrilling part of my life was when I was doing all that freelance stuff, and the best part of my day was when I would go to the mailbox to see if there was a check in there. It was like an Easter egg hunt, and it was so cool. And I hope that there's a check in the mail sometime in the future and ah ah, and and if not, well, then it'll be there the next day or the next day or the next day, because my commitment to what I'm gonna do going forward and doing it with you is to make great content and through that great content will make some really good, interesting connections. And we'll go forward with this. Together
spk_1: 34:28
we will man and will build a network of our own. And network is such a business. He kind of Internet world, I. It's overused word, but but a family, a community of like minded people, you know, I I were still only 12 or three episodes into this thing out. It's just a brand new. I'm sitting in my bathroom. I mean, it's hilarious. How gay is that? I love it. I love it. But you know, one of the things that's fascinating about this particular corner of of life that we're that we're discussing is that every single person that that is going to do this I respect everyone that does this. I don't care what you do. What feels you're in, whether who you are, where you are, how old you are. Your politics. I don't care if you pivot to your best self into your vision into your dream. Right on. Dude, I respect you, Brother. Sister, Get on with it. Go for it. I relate to you and We are kindred spirits, and I'm hoping that one day they'll they'll be. You know, I don't know what we'll call you. Swan's divers swan diapers where we all are. But we can all get in a room and just look at each other like right on, yo. I mean, you look atyou, like out there putting it out there doing your thing. And there's just a implicit respectability on incorrect courage and and character backbone in anyone that does this. And so for me, it's exhilarating to think that we're lighting up this group or connective tissue here to make this group kind of recognize itself. And, uh, it's just just know that, you know, there's a there are heroics. It's a heroic step, and I feel like if in any way we can facilitate or even better catalyzed people to get on with this heroic step and their hero's journey Um what? What an exciting thing, man. What an exciting thing. So, yeah, that's that's That's one of the things that is most interesting and exciting for me as I look at the possibilities here,
spk_0: 36:53
and one of the things about that is, no one needs permission when the No one needs permission to activate to take that hero, I think that's really important. There was no permission taken or granted for you and I to start these conversations. They just happened. They just happened, and I and I appreciate it. And I think that if you look in your heart if you do your inventory of your skills if you look at the grooves that are worn in the ground if you take a look at your network if you have the ability to honestly assess and be authentic to yourself, the only permission you need is to take the freakin dive.
spk_1: 37:41
Right? Right on. Agreed. Agreed. You know, someday is today one of these days is today it ISS man it is is that's my T shirt. Today is one of these days.
spk_0: 37:53
I was driving yesterday and I saw a bumper sticker that said Anything good can happen. Will. I loved it. I loved it. Um, so, yeah, so listen, we have a lot more to discuss. We really need to talk more about what happens next for me and also my network, my family, my interpersonal relationships. Because there are a lot of things to discuss with that. So there's more to come on the next episode. And again, I really want to put it out there. We want to put it out there that the stories that are out there, I know a couple of people in my network, you know, some people in your network. But if you want to join the conversation Senate email Ron Rothberg at Comcast dot net. Stewart at Stewart sheldon dot com Stuart, you've got a great vlog that that if anybody searches, I love love, love your blawg. Ah, so ah, that is available it Stuart Sheldon at Stewart sheldon dot com as well, until next time. This is another edition of Swan Dive from the Pura Vida Fancy Nasty Studios in Costa Rica and Peacock in Park Studios and Historic Avondale. Lovely Jacksonville, Florida on the banks of the ST John's River. Another way that we will have another discussion about pivoting to your vision. So thanks for listening to do. Thanks for
spk_1: 39:20
contributing. Yes, back at you, Ron. Everybody out there , Pura Vida Today is one of these days