ZenKimchi Korean Food & Travel
The ZenKimchi Korea Food & Travel Podcast goes beyond the usual travel lists to explore the food, neighborhoods, history, people, and peculiarities that make Korea worth knowing.
Host Joe McPherson, founder of ZenKimchi, has lived in Korea for more than twenty years, writing about its food and culture and creating travel experiences for visitors. Each episode offers practical advice, deeper context, and occasionally inconvenient opinions about Korean food and travel.
Whether you’re planning a trip or simply curious about life beyond the postcards, this is Korea from someone who has watched it change.
ZenKimchi Korean Food & Travel
Man-hating GS25
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Brittany Fanning (Artist | brittanyfanning.com)
Rob (Roboseyo)
Convenience store chain GS25 has been in hot water for camping ads that feature what some claim are militant feminist symbols and coded messages. Is this just privileged men attacking the #metoo movement, or is something else going on here?
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NOTES
GS25 hit for sexist promotional poster
Controversy started by right-wing men’s group Namcho
Gender-based conflict on the rise
Retailers accused of being ‘man-haters’ over gesture
GS25 포스터 사태 뒤엔 '이대남' '이대녀' 갈등[어떻게 생각하십니까]
Last few paragraphs about politicians using gender conflict to gain popularity IT’S ROB! I CAN JOIN!
And finding more by the police?
GS25 store owner posts a sign saying “I hate femi too”
Oh, it’s getting more ridiculous
Now they’re attacking ads that have graduates from specific women’s universities
'허버허버' - attacks the sound men make when eating ravenously
'오조오억' - attacks men’s sperm counts
Police are investigating a comedian making a penis with her finger on a doll
A more sober article about this
This is the Soul Podcast, Korea's Third Sex. I Kim Singhong, reminding you that there is no I in Korea, and no F in Hollywood. And here are your hosts, Emma Kalka and Joe McPherson.
SPEAKER_08And welcome to the Soul Podcast. This is Joe.
SPEAKER_02And I'm Emma.
SPEAKER_08This week we have a guest I've been wanting to get on for a long time. Legendary expat artist Brittany Fanning. Thank you for joining us today.
SPEAKER_04Thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_08Thank you for your energy. That's great.
SPEAKER_04I'm working on it.
SPEAKER_08We are working on it. We are in classic soul podcast fashion. We each have a drink of the week. I wish I had Stafford's old drop. What are you drinking, Amora?
SPEAKER_02Um, Hogarden that somebody left at my house this weekend.
SPEAKER_08Does it have cigarette butts in it?
SPEAKER_02No. It was left on the floor. It was left in the fridge unopened, so there was nothing inside of it except for beer.
SPEAKER_08Okay. Brittany, you look like you're drinking something a little more sophisticated.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it's white wine with ice in it from 7-Eleven.
SPEAKER_08That is classic.
SPEAKER_04I didn't have enough time to chill it.
SPEAKER_08Um Emma is the expert of convenience store wine.
SPEAKER_02You always gotta put that ice in there if it's not chilled yet.
SPEAKER_08Um I'm being a little snobby and I'm doing a little bit of playground gentleman lager because they didn't have my session IPA available today. Um it's it I haven't been drinking in a long time. It just it tastes like malt syrup to me. It's really sweet. But it's not bad. It's just really sweet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's malty.
SPEAKER_08Huh?
SPEAKER_04How long did you go without drinking?
SPEAKER_08Over a year. Like a year and then some. Uh in just to see how long I could do it. And it was difficult the entire way. I was cra I was having bad cravings every now and then, but now it's like um now when I drink, it it doesn't feel the same. I don't I don't feel drunk. I don't it tastes different. It I because now the I can taste the alcohol and stuff and it tastes kind of harsh. So it makes me sip. Makes me sip. Because in the old days, before I stopped, it's like, oh, a new glass of beer. Oh, it's empty. Oh, I should get another one.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's kind of what I I did. I kind of slowed down last year to quit smoking and then just stopped drinking for the most part. I feel like the most boring person now. I don't know what to say.
SPEAKER_08We both we chose we chose the pandemic to stop drinking. We bucked the trend.
SPEAKER_04We're just well, you have to. Otherwise, you're not gonna.
SPEAKER_08Everyone else is doing that. I mean, my god, I mean home uh Hunsul, the loan drinking has gotten so big this year. Um and this whole convenience store system where you can order booze online and pick it up your at your convenience store.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I didn't know about that.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out the system because you know it's a Korean app. And anything that involves one thing is a Korean app, and then anything that's involves transactions, it's just layers and layers and layers of let's make this thing as much as complicated as possible.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you have to have the number card and then you have to put your phone number in twice, and yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and and now um they have the uh the app pass app that you should try to connect it to.
SPEAKER_04I've tried, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I mean I got pass to work, but sometimes pass breaks.
SPEAKER_04I can't even get the QR code.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, the QR code. Sometimes it breaks, it doesn't work.
SPEAKER_04I just sign in sometimes.
SPEAKER_08So those those listening who are not in Korea, this is how you enter restaurants and public places. You have to scan a QR code identity from your phone from an app, either through Kakao or this new app called Pass, which is used as identification.
SPEAKER_02I forgot you could use Pass for that because Pass is connected to KT, which is what my phone account is through. So like all my phone stuff is connected to PASS. So I've been using Pass for my phone. Completely forgot I could be using it for QR stuff. But cacao talk is just faster and easier to get to.
SPEAKER_08They're both to me, they're both slow. Every time I need it, it's just hangs, hangs, hangs, hangs. Nonetheless, I think it's a clever solution. I I like the idea of having my entire identity in one code and waiting for the apocalypse because that's I think it's a sign one of the breakings of the seals uh in revelations.
SPEAKER_04It looks like the apocalypse outside. Oh my god, today. Yes, good day.
SPEAKER_07She does segues. She does segues. That's great. That was awesome.
SPEAKER_04That was a good QR code. I don't have one and I'm sick of it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. The dust was I haven't, I don't, I'm trying to think of the last time I saw the dust this bad.
SPEAKER_04It was a few weeks ago, but yeah, I mean, well, no, this was the worst. And I sat outside all day because I I was we went to Fat Boys for Thomas's birthday, and then yeah, we just sat outside drinking.
SPEAKER_08And and who who pray is Thomas for everyone?
SPEAKER_04Oh, the fat boy sandwich guy.
SPEAKER_08Oh, it's Thomas Ree's birthday.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_04I don't I don't know how anyone else knows him.
SPEAKER_08Okay.
SPEAKER_04I was actually when I was telling him we were coming to Fat Boy, I posted that on Facebook and I got flagged and like um warned on Facebook for calling for using fat boy.
SPEAKER_08Wow. I'm scared.
SPEAKER_04Uh dark side anymore.
SPEAKER_08The dark side page, the dark side of soul page got uh uh we got restricted for a month.
SPEAKER_04For what?
SPEAKER_08For posting a meme that uh the Jeffrey Dahmer meme.
SPEAKER_04Where he was like eating a burger, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Eating a burger that says this doesn't taste like five guys.
SPEAKER_05Facebook.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, we got we got in trouble. We couldn't advertise or anything for for a month.
SPEAKER_05No, I wonder who that is.
SPEAKER_08By that time I figured out ways to promote the podcast without advertising, so Facebook year loss. Yay!
SPEAKER_04It's just like it's helpful, but at this point it's like old family members of mine and people that live in my town that like to update me, update their Facebook like when they're going to the doctor and like I don't know, yeah, like messages to their family prayers and stuff. I hate it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it's uh yeah, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. So, anyway, oh no, no, I'm not I want to talk about you. I want to talk about your art. I'm a big fan of your art. You have a really interesting color palette, I think. How would you describe your color palette? I don't or do you even think about it?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I like I'm I'm kind of inspired by like Wes Anderson and David Holly.
SPEAKER_07Yes, it does look like Wes Anderson. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04So it's like if Quentin Tarantino had colors like Wes Anderson and then um some David Hockney in there with plane crashes and stuff.
SPEAKER_08I'm gonna what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna share screen and I'm gonna I'm gonna show some of the photos that I've gotten. And you don't even know what photos I selected of yours.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_08Here we go. I got this one.
SPEAKER_04Oh wait, maybe I can. Nope. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Uh this is uh this is a shot. No, for the someone listening to the audio version, so I'll describe it. This looks this is Hebung Chun.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08The street of Hebchan facing the Soul Tower.
SPEAKER_04Um I got bored with this series real fast. But I like this.
SPEAKER_08This is the series that made this is the series that you got popular with, I think.
SPEAKER_04I know, but the Koreans that I've met, like in the art community, they're like, what is this? Do you only paint poor places? And I was like, Oh god, they're so snobby. I don't know. They're like, we want to see what you like. And I was like, okay. I like burning people alive.
SPEAKER_08Oh well, uh let me let me let me get to that. Hold on. Uh where plane crashes.
SPEAKER_04I I don't know. I do have a that's how my husband and I kind of bumped up.
SPEAKER_08There we go. Love that shot.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that was based on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that's what I was thinking of, exactly.
SPEAKER_04So they're burning hippies, but I tell everyone they can choose the victim.
SPEAKER_08Interactive art.
SPEAKER_04My my newest one, it's a similar scene, but it's a child's float in the pool. Oh my god.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_08Sorry, we're not gonna show that one.
SPEAKER_04You have your daughter. I've not a fan. I like I like some kids, but yeah.
SPEAKER_08I understand. I understand.
SPEAKER_04I don't.
SPEAKER_08I really, I really like this. I really do love this. I would love that's it's kind of like I want to open a bar just to have this in my bar.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Uh this is the one that Tom Segura and his wife own.
SPEAKER_08Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Well, there you go.
SPEAKER_04I kind of it was kind of inspired by them because um they do a lot of, they wear a lot of Adidas and they kind of look a little bit like Paul and me, but fatter.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and they burn hippies in the pool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I could even imagine the furniture I would purchase for a bar that would showcase these paintings. Like, like I'm thinking of some colorful plush lounge, lounge furniture, plush, sofas, sofas, weird chairs and the shapes of lips and hearts.
SPEAKER_04Oh geez, that's not what I saw.
SPEAKER_08Well, that's I'm weird. I'm weird, but uh it would be this color palette of this of this violet maroon.
SPEAKER_04It's kind of Palm Springs inspired.
SPEAKER_08Love it. Love it. Um back, okay. This is another poor place, but I love it. I'm sorry. Uh this is one that you showed a lot on your website. I remember.
SPEAKER_04I post way too much.
SPEAKER_08This is Youngie Dunn, it looks like.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_08Oh my gosh, I'm so good at this. Okay, where's where's Emma's house? Where's Emma's house?
SPEAKER_02Because you know, like where you're standing right now, like the church would be behind you, and there's that little alleyway, that street that goes up the hill next to the church. My house is at the top of that hill.
SPEAKER_04Really? I didn't know you know. Well, that's a nice place.
SPEAKER_08Thank you for directing us to your house, Emma.
SPEAKER_02There's a lot of houses on the top of the there's a lot of houses on the top of the hill.
SPEAKER_08I should also point out that Brittany started the group True Crime Asia on Facebook.
SPEAKER_04Which I love. I need to be more active on there, or more murders need to happen. I was excited about the whole thing.
SPEAKER_08It is an active group, and I do I'm not okay. Let me tell let me tell you my background of true crime. My my my love-hate relationship with true crime. I think I mentioned this, is my my my previous marriage.
SPEAKER_02We talked about this before. We talked about it on the show?
SPEAKER_08Well, I'll talk about it again.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Uh my previous marriage. Um my my wife was really into true crime. And um I finally got us a computer and internet in 1998, 97, 98. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that. I remember that. And I had the computer was in our bedroom. And she discovered that she started getting into the internet. She's discovered it. And she and she I taught her how to use the printer and everything. And suddenly our room was plastered with missing children's photos. And she would just spend all night just researching the stuff. And then and then some nights I'm not I'm reading in bed and and she's on the computer, and then she'll get up and she'll she'll she'll she'll take a picture off the wall and like and throw it away. And she goes, Oh, what happened? And I go, Oh, oh, they found her. Uh she's dead. Like this child's face I had becoming accustomed to this whole time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_08I'm kind of like and then she ended up becoming a police officer.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's really cool.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and now she's um then she now she's a hardcore Muslim, and I think she wants to move to Syria.
SPEAKER_04What the fuck?
SPEAKER_02Now that was a twist you didn't share last time we talked about this.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, she changed she changed her name to Muslim name. And she only she wears a she wears a uh uh Hajib. And I mean she's cool now. I mean she's coming to terms with her issues, and she wants to write a book about her mental issues and wants me to contribute a chapter on how it affected me. Like, yeah, that's great.
SPEAKER_04As someone who doesn't read books, that one sounds really fun.
SPEAKER_08Out of everything we all do, that actually might be the biggest seller out of everything we do. It would be my ex-wife's book on her mental issues.
SPEAKER_04Oh no.
SPEAKER_08Okay, tell me about this one. I see this one a lot when you post stuff. I love this one.
SPEAKER_04That is Doug Stanhope. He's one of my favorite, he's uh been my favorite comedian for over a decade. He's really well, he might be controversial if people more people knew him, but he's pretty rough. And then um he's drinking a vodka soda, and the meal on the table is um John Wayne Gacy's last meal.
SPEAKER_08Everyone, so you see Brittany's oove right here.
SPEAKER_07This is what she does.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, a falcon right there, or hawk right there. That's um, I think his name's Mordecai from the Royal Tenem Bums.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god, that's Mordecai. I remember that.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god. Yeah, I honestly I I think I had like a dream about a hawk wearing a hat, and then I just wanted to paint one.
SPEAKER_08Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04I don't know why they wear them.
SPEAKER_08I love I love how the perspectives kind of skewed a bit, so it pulls you in.
SPEAKER_07Well, thank you.
SPEAKER_08And of course it's food. Food, I love the food. I love it, it does feel obviously Wes Anderson, but it has that Tarantino type of feel to it.
SPEAKER_04Thank you.
SPEAKER_08Um also a little bit of uh uh raising Arizona to me.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_08I feel I love the the you know, I mean I'm looking at all these little things. I mean you you were I can tell that you were having some fun doing the the patterns in the wood.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I that's all uh that's in most of my work.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, that's that's that's that's a lot of work. I mean and and trying to incorporate those patterns with the shadows, that's that's tough.
SPEAKER_03Thank you.
SPEAKER_08I'm not a painter, but I'm sure it's tough.
SPEAKER_04Me neither. That one was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_08I really love that. I I just I just love it. It's just one of those paintings you just stare at.
SPEAKER_04This was the first one I did after the architecture series. It was kind of more for me, like a little bit darker.
SPEAKER_08Oh, that's why I saw it. Uh-huh. A lot. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then the other one was the second.
SPEAKER_08Hold on, let me pull. Okay, this is this is classic.
SPEAKER_04This one was a commission.
SPEAKER_08Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so the person who commissioned it lives in that house in the front, the main house. Okay, right corner.
SPEAKER_08I noticed you draw a lot of sunsets because I can tell the lights coming from the west.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I hate doing these. It's just really hard painting all this. It's hard painting anything I don't want to paint now that I now you're doing commissions. Yeah, do my well, I don't really I do like one commission a month or so. Mostly I just paint what I want.
SPEAKER_08You drew a cat for me.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. Yeah. Now people ask for pet portraits. I'm like, um last year I was begging for them.
SPEAKER_08Okay, I got more of this. Okay, so I I got more of your architecture series.
SPEAKER_04Rear window.
SPEAKER_08It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. All right. That that's all I got. That's all I got. Okay, I'm gonna stop sharing my screen. How do I stop sharing my screen? Um, stop share.
SPEAKER_02We're just stuck like this for the rest of the podcast.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Right. Hooray!
SPEAKER_08So now you got an idea of you have uh almost like a um I don't know how to say it. It's a fruity neon soup stained palette. How about that?
SPEAKER_04That works. I used I do use a lot of neons.
SPEAKER_08It is. It's neon-y, but uh it does have that that that garish California look. I mean, you could not paint New York.
SPEAKER_04I grew up in Florida.
SPEAKER_08Florida.
SPEAKER_04That's where it's from.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, that makes a lot of sense now. Like, it makes me think of like the stuff that I saw like on the walls of like the rental house we had in Florida.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. Let me let me place you. Let me place you then. Where in Florida?
SPEAKER_04The worst place.
SPEAKER_08Orlando?
SPEAKER_04Worser. Tallahassee. Jacksonville.
SPEAKER_08Oh, I oh god. I I lived a year in Jacksonville. Oh, I did I did a contract in Jacksonville. I'll tell the story. I told the story of my time in Jacksonville, right? Oh my god, Jacksonville. Nonetheless, road trips from Jacksonville aren't too bad. St. Augustine and and oh yeah, Jekyll's Island and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_04Bernadena.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. But I burn in the sun, so I'm but Jacksonville itself, man. Smells like sulfur.
SPEAKER_04It's awful. It's it's just crime and red. It's red, it's redneck, it's NASCAR rednecks.
SPEAKER_08It's NASCAR rednecks.
SPEAKER_04It's not like I moved to Georgia when I was a teenager, and those are hillbillies. And there's kind of like a nice culture around that type of southern culture, which usually southern culture gets a bad rep, but so do I.
SPEAKER_08Oh my god, we got three southerners on the show. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04There's oh where are where are you?
SPEAKER_08Did you just go ooh?
SPEAKER_02No, that was me. I went ooh.
SPEAKER_07Oh, oh, ooh.
SPEAKER_02That was me.
SPEAKER_07Three Southerners on the show. Ew.
SPEAKER_05Ew.
SPEAKER_08Ew. So tell me more. Tell me more. Jacksonville. Uh I mean, okay. Jacksonville, shithole, but I have an affection for the place.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't. I feel like I don't know. I feel like it's just like NASCAR rednecks and scary cops and car accidents and tornadoes and hurricanes.
SPEAKER_08There's a law that you can't have a bar within a block of a church. So they made sure to put all these churches in downtown to keep the bars out.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I didn't know that. That's stupid. Um Georgia you drink on Sunday.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I was working, um, I was working a tech contract, um, 2001. Yeah, it was 2001. And um I would save my money by I mean it was gonna I thought it was gonna last a while, so I I went ahead and leased um as cheap a house as I can get, which was kind of in the poor side of town. I'm one of those people, I like roughing it. Uh, you know, I didn't even have a TV. I had a library card, so I just I just get a bunch of books and go home and listen to the radio and read books. And um I mean it it was it was I tried to sleep and there would be helicopter search lights in my in my apartment complex, things like that. People random banging on my door in the middle of the night. Um I went to go do my laundry, and this uh quite robust young woman was there, and um uh she's we started talking, and then in the middle of the talking, she says, uh give me twenty dollars and I'll give you a blowjob.
SPEAKER_04That was awesome.
SPEAKER_08That's a good like thank you, but no, would you like twenty dollars though?
SPEAKER_02I was like, I'll give you twenty bucks. Would you like that?
SPEAKER_08But she ended up being my only friend. In the apartment complex. So she would invite me over.
SPEAKER_05She became your friends.
SPEAKER_08We became friends afterwards. So she invited me over. Uh, she invited me over, and I'd sit there and I'd be having a beer, and we're talking about her her husband who's in prison. And uh then she's just start getting out this thing and starts to start smoking crack in front of me.
SPEAKER_04That's awesome. That's where I'm from.
SPEAKER_08I'm this naive little white guy. Suburban white guy. Oh wow. Okay. Oh, I'm gonna act like that's normal.
SPEAKER_03Oh well.
SPEAKER_08So that's that's my Jacksonville story.
SPEAKER_04That sounds about right.
SPEAKER_08Honestly, I had some of the best Thai food ever at this one Jacksonville restaurant.
SPEAKER_04Which one? Do you know the name?
SPEAKER_08No, no, it was 20 years ago, over 20 years ago. But it was owned and run by by Thai, uh, a Thai family, and their their teenage daughter was running it. And I remember ordering the Thai tea because I love Thai tea, and I've ever made a really good Thai tea. And I and I complimented on it, and she goes, Yeah, it's great. It tastes like pot, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, it kind of does.
SPEAKER_04I take it you weren't a pot smoker back home.
SPEAKER_08I was not much of one. I can't inhale. I was very Clinton, I was very Clintonian in my pot. The only way I was able to inhale was my my girl, one of my girlfriends at the time shotgunned me.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_08Which is you know what that is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Okay.
SPEAKER_04Did that for fun.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, she shotgunned me, and I was like, oh, I don't like this. I I don't like this cigar. Yeah, I was like, uh, no, I just I just I just like I smoke it like I do a cigar. I just just in the mouth. It's I just do it in the mouth.
SPEAKER_02Just do it in the mouth. I was just like, what the hell did I miss when my family lived in Jacksonville? I was in Korea when my family lived in Jacksonville. Oh, really?
SPEAKER_04Really? I feel like it's all crime, everything. My dad's also like the Florida man, exactly like the Florida man.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Florida man comes from Jacksonville. I mean, that's why they're making fun of the city.
SPEAKER_02I was about to ask, is that where Florida Man came from? Jacksonville? Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Florida man is Jacksonville, the Redneck Riviera.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08In Orlando, Tampa.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I think my sister stayed behind in Fort Myers because she was still in college. Fort Myers. My mom, dad, and my my kid brother went up to Jacksonville for a few years. And then they went back to Oklahoma. I guess that's maybe it was Jacksonville was the reason why they went back to Oklahoma. You're like, screw this.
SPEAKER_08So let me ask, did how were the sausages in Jacksonville?
SPEAKER_04The sausages.
SPEAKER_08That's my really bad segue.
SPEAKER_04That's your horrible segue.
SPEAKER_08Horrible segue. Horrible, horrible, horrible segue. I'm trying to steer us. I mean, this is fun. This is fun. I'm just steering us to back to Korea. Because usually, if I'm not careful, this will all be a show about Oklahoma. Oh no.
SPEAKER_02And it's not me that does it, it's him. I'm not even the one that has.
SPEAKER_08Oklahoma and Alabama. It turns out to be that. And then then now that we all have connections to J A X, uh, I like the only pro football game I've ever seen has been the Jaguars.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I've seen a few. It's a nightmare.
SPEAKER_08I can't believe that, man.
SPEAKER_04I hate it so much.
SPEAKER_08Portals. Um anyway. Um well the the the funny little brew ha ha. There's been a lot of funny things happening in the news this week, but the one I've been focusing on is this one ad. Let me pull this up. Um I should just do that. I'm just gonna post up our show notes.
SPEAKER_02Um how the sausage is made.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I can't.
SPEAKER_04There's been a lot of funny things in the news this week. All I could think of was like India's burning, America's shooting. What if he pulls one of those up?
SPEAKER_08We're like no, no, no.
SPEAKER_04That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Oh my god, whoops. Um, I should get rid of that. Oh. Anyway. Um GS25, one of our local Pyongy Jum convenience stores, um posted posted this promotion for camping items. And um in English it says emotional camping must have item. And in Korean it says camping gaja. Let's go camping.
SPEAKER_04What the fuck is emotional camping?
SPEAKER_08Okay, see, this is the thing they don't get pegged on. This is the out of all the things wrong with this, that I mean, that's the big thing you should get on. But it's like uh English. English isn't used for communication, it's used for aesthetics. Um, yeah, so um this got a bunch of um men um men's rights people butthurt because this hand grabbing a sausage, uh they say is a is a militant feminist gesture. And it's it's uh for those listening that aren't seeing this photo, it is like the it just take your thumb and your forefinger and act like you're picking a grape. And that that's what the gesture is. And I was like, why is that so? And I was like, thinking it kind of looks like someone showing the size of a small penis. That's exactly what it is. So simple.
SPEAKER_02I didn't even notice it until like I read the article and it was pointed out, and I'm like, oh oh, okay.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I was like, what is this going on? Because I've seen I've seen Koreans in the past before this whole thing use this pose in pictures, but they would do it under their chin.
SPEAKER_02Um like this?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, like this. I've seen them do this. And I was like, what is this pose? That's a weird position.
SPEAKER_02I know, like I've seen this one, like the little hearts.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, the parts, but this is before then. This is before the hearts got big. I was I've seen some weird photos.
SPEAKER_04Do you think it's real though that they're like I haven't seen any like in my life mil militant feminists in Korea, nor have I seen actual or talked to anyone who's been like a guy that's been upset about this. I know like the small Asian dick stereotype is a thing, and I think that's a problem.
SPEAKER_08That's yeah, that's they shouldn't be doing that. I mean, like I don't see. I think it's funny that it's Korean women doing this. It's like it wasn't white people doing this, it was Korean women saying this.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I just don't or are they just seeing symbols in places where they're not, which is well, uh, we were now I want to point this out because uh I was trying to make it so it wasn't three white people talking about Korean culture. I was inviting uh Koreans, Korean Americans on the show, and some couldn't make it because of scheduling, others just didn't want to go on camera talking about it. But they gave me their input. And it seems it's kind of Trumpian in its cynicism. It is uh political groups that are trying to create uh some type of culture war, gender war. And by making a big stink about these symbols, suddenly people are suddenly seeing these symbols everywhere. It's totally QAnon, it's totally QAnon type of stuff.
SPEAKER_04And so you look for Porsches everywhere, you see Porsches everywhere.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_04If once you start for them, that's exactly it.
SPEAKER_08That's exactly it. And the other weird thing was um in the English, you can somehow spell out the word megal, which is the term for the militant feminist organization or club or whatever. And it was an emotional camping must-have item. If you take the M an item, uh G. Yeah, I'm still not seeing it in all in emotional. It's mega. I mean, this is how far they're reaching. You have to take it a lot of time to figure it out.
SPEAKER_04Are those Korean feminists real? Is that something I don't know?
SPEAKER_08Okay, so I did research on that too. Uh during the mayor's fiasco in 2015, um, there was uh an internet cafe dedicated to that. And um what was it? Oh, oh, oh, that's what it was. Uh some some men had uh made did a fake article about uh some Korean women breaking curfew to go fashion shopping, and they called them kimchi y'all, kimchi women.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that was like a long time ago, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_08And so so so um Korean women in the group started when it we when it came out that this was fake news, um Korean women started lashing back and making fun making fun of male chauvinists calling them kimchi nam, kimchi min.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they can't kimchi min.
SPEAKER_08Oh, you can't do that to us. Uh we can do it to you, but you can't do it to us. Because for the longest time, for since I mean since around 2006 or so, there's been this term commonly known as denjung yo, which is dainjong woman, which is a woman. Oh, that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, dangjong yo, which is someone who um uh doesn't only eats denjang qige, only eats the cheapest food so she can spend her money on on high-end fashion items, high-end items, luxury items.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, what's so bad with that? I mean, if you want if that's what you want to say, go for it.
SPEAKER_08And discipline, actually. That that's discipline.
SPEAKER_05That is discipline.
SPEAKER_08But what it is is at the heart of it is because these types of women will not date these types of losers. And this is how they lash out.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Um, I think the root is in groups like Ilbe, which is these groups can only have like 12 people. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really small men's rights group.
SPEAKER_04They just have really loud voices.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, they're really loud.
SPEAKER_04It's like the people who get mad, you know, how Bill Burr just did the SNL thing, and then there were three or four articles about how he was um misogynistic and maybe racist because he didn't pronounce the Latina girl's name right. And it's like it everyone was talking about how there's an outrage over it, but in in real life, nobody was outraged. Nobody gave a fuck.
SPEAKER_08I remember some article coming about cultural appropriation for Korean food in New York City, and then the only people that were in the article were just three Koreans. One of them was a kimchi maker who had uh these are people who all had a stake in this in the game. And then I'm talking to other Koreans and they're like, this is not a big deal. They were talking other, oh, they were talking about just like non-Koreans making kimchi or something like that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it happens all the time. Koreans make Mexican, American, whatever food. There's eight restaurants opening up at this very second.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, it it's it's a small group of people. Usually it's the diaspora who've oh god, here I'm gonna get in trouble.
SPEAKER_02It's it's it's not a podcast unless you get in trouble for saying something.
SPEAKER_08It's people who've never lived in Korea being experts on Korea.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah. But there's like there's a lot of that, like there's a lot of people about call who speak Korean, and I only speak food.
SPEAKER_08They're they're the gatekeepers of Korean culture. People who've never lived in Korea are the gatekeepers of of Korean culture. Um I mean we we I I I stayed up front. We're just we're outsiders inside Korea. We're expats, we're or immigrants inside Korea. Um the time, my language skills are still embarrassing. Uh in fact, I was on KBS last week with an embarrassing interview on camera, which I hope they'll never use, of me trying to do an interview in Korean. And they ended an interview by saying, You need to go to you need to go to take more Korean classes. Like, I know.
SPEAKER_04Really? They said that to you?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, they were saying that in a really nice way. You need to really study Korean harder. I mean, back then, back when I first came to Korea, all you needed to do was say on Yang Eseo, and they were like, oh my god, your Korean's so good. But these days after Misuda, they they kind of expect certain foreigners to know to speak Korean fluently. And in my experience, I don't know, I can only count on one hand the number of people I know who speak fluent Korean, who either A, of course they didn't grow up with Korean or they didn't quit, they didn't quit everything and study at full time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08It's hard, especially if you're working in a business where you're not allowed to speak Korean. If you've ever been an English teacher, you're not allowed to speak English. I mean, you're not allowed to speak Korean.
SPEAKER_05Korean.
SPEAKER_08And so you can only you can only do part-time Korean and somehow you're supposed to magically know it. When when Korea itself spends all this money and effort and time to learn English and still scores so lowly on on English language scores, English tests, and sp and go overseas to Canada, US, and the Philippines, and come back and still can barely speak English.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08And then uh Korean immigrants, I I ran across this this this uh statistic recently. Korean immigrants have the lowest rates of of English fluency of out of all immigrants in the US. Because English and Korean, then it's just difficult to learn either language.
SPEAKER_04Also, there's Korean towns where all the roads and everything are in Korean. So that's helpful, which that's good. I mean, I just tell people uh when I meet like I I don't really talk about that much, but when I do meet like a new Korean person and they ask how long I've been here, I just say six months.
SPEAKER_02So they don't come they don't come after you for not speaking Korean.
SPEAKER_04That's so smart. That is so smart.
SPEAKER_08So uh that that's such a good one.
SPEAKER_04So change your years to months.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Anyway, there's this other ad. Um there's a green, uh a type of like olive green that's used for for the mi Megal militant feminist uh site. And so I think this one really that militant. I just picture them all like you know what in they really got big. It's really the MeToo movement they're really going after. And the MeToo movement got really big after this, I think it was 2017 murder of a woman in Gangna in a Gangnam bathroom by a guy who hated women.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's a problem.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. Some of some of our last big crimes have been men attacking women. And I'm like, I mean, men are the the Korean men in this are using this excuse as like saying, like, well, we have to do military service for two years, which puts us at a disadvantage because because because women don't have to do it and they can stay in college. Yeah, great, great. So if women have so much of an advantage, how many uh female CEOs and managers are we seeing in in the cur in Korean society? Um, um when when women get pregnant, um they have to give do they have the can they keep their careers after they have children? The same way men can after they have children? You know, are men as criticized for gaining weight as women are?
SPEAKER_04In my world.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Uh do I mean and how many, you know, how many attacks, how many sexual attacks on men have there been compared to women?
SPEAKER_01I I think men should get a medal for just not being a piece of shit and leaving everyone behind. You know? Gold medal.
SPEAKER_04We've been drinking all day.
SPEAKER_08That is fine. That is fine. That that that was a cameo from Brittany's husband. That was lovely.
SPEAKER_04He was filling up my wine.
SPEAKER_08Uh anyway. I don't want to turn to be me ranting about stuff, but um what I'm doing is I'm I'm distilling stuff that others have told me, and I told them I would convey them online on the show.
SPEAKER_04Just playing devil's advocate. Sometimes feminism can be like feminists can be a bit aggressive, and it's sometimes so aggressive that it ruins the whole point of the movement because it's just so in your face.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it turns people off. Um I'm okay, because I was really well, I still am on board with the MeToo movement after Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, all that stuff, Mario, even Mario Batale, my beloved Mario Batale. I've watched all my heroes fall.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. But then like uh Kevin Spacey, that was sad, but that was yeah, Kevin Spacey. I think Louis C.K. was fine though. I'd watch Jack off in a plan.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Louis CK. I mean, uh that that that got me. Um but the then then there was that one about a season sorry. And I was like, Oh, yeah, I think we're going a little too far.
SPEAKER_04Right, she's like, I gave you a blow jump, but I didn't want to. It's like Oh, did she actually go that far?
SPEAKER_08I didn't know that she went that far.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, she like blew him, and then she uh said later that she felt like she was pressured because of his power, but it's like no, you're just kind of a weak character. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_08The thing about Aziz Ansari was okay, what it sounded like was a bad date.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Wasn't that power thing because uh in the end, I mean, we know uh Aziz Ansari. Would she have dated him in the first place if he wasn't a celebrity?
SPEAKER_04Right. No question.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Would she, you know, it's like he's using his power, but you only dated him because of his power.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_08Anyway, so anyway, that's where I thought it went to a little too far.
SPEAKER_04Um I think it's embarrassing that she even brought it up, like that she did that and then decided later that she felt like a victim. It's like most of the time when you're young and you go on dates and go that far, you regret it.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_04That's when a movement that is right just turns from it.
SPEAKER_08It starts looking like naked opportunism and someone just trying to make a name for themselves. Yeah, and that that that I mean, because yeah, anyway, anyway, yeah, I see what you mean by that.
SPEAKER_04Oh god, if we're gonna get so much trouble for this show. The last podcast I did, they had to cut two hours of it.
SPEAKER_08So oh, we're not gonna go that far. We're not gonna go that far.
SPEAKER_04Not because of the time.
SPEAKER_08Oh, because of what you said. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna share the screen again. Uh oh, I am I'm still sharing the screen. Oh my gosh. Okay.
SPEAKER_02You've never took us off a show.
SPEAKER_08Oh my god. Okay, what have I been showing? I've been showing you my mail. Um anyway.
SPEAKER_02No, just it's been it's been on the show notes the entire time.
SPEAKER_08So okay, anyway. All right. Uh so this other one is uh another GS25 article with uh this girl group showing off bread. And one of them is just holding, and obviously just holding bread and just one hand just happens to make that gesture. But that's how you hold something if you're presenting it. That's a problem.
SPEAKER_02You can't put your you can't like put cover it up with your hand.
SPEAKER_04Is GS run by militant women?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. So so yeah, the the the CEO has apologized and says he's going to find the roots of this and weed it out. It's okay. This is what gets me is how fast these corporations have responded to this. There have been other things in the past when they've done shit to women and and foreigners, and they've been they've been like, you must understand our unique situation and all that stuff. You know, they've done blackface, and and then they say, Oh no, you're just not looking at our unique culture when they do blackface. But but but some some some little crybaby male organization shows some women just just holding it's not even a gesture, there's not even an intention, they're just accidental, it just accidentally looks that way. Then all of them capitulate.
SPEAKER_04All of them capitulate men that would shoot up schools if they had guns here.
SPEAKER_08Here's another one of another um it's a menu and it shows sausages, and there's there's a hand holding a sausage to show how large the sausages are. Not very well comparatively. And this is like they got offended by that. So people are just seeing this in everywhere. Um, there's another one put out, this is one put out by the police department. There's a
SPEAKER_07And with that gesture.
SPEAKER_04That is a weird way to point.
SPEAKER_08It is a weird way to point. I think it's just they're just getting clip art.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Look over here.
SPEAKER_02I mean, really, how many actually it looks like he's it's grabbing for something.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it looks like it's grabbing for the for the period or something.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_08But think about it. How many militant feminists are involved in the police, do you think?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Not gonna go on a limb and say not that many. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Considering like a large number of the the police force, it's just a bunch of guys doing their military service, too.
SPEAKER_08This is another one. Um I'm gonna I'm gonna have it automatically translate to Korean for you. Um but uh it's it's this ad that they're showing they're showing a woman uh a YouTuber for this ad. Where is it? Right here. Okay, this is this is the uh can you see that? Are you showing the screen? Oh, is it staying on there? Okay. Uh hold on. Let me let me let me stop it. Let me let me do this again. Hold on, share a screen.
SPEAKER_04I saw Bill Gates got divorced due to an affair. Is that true?
SPEAKER_08Oh, it wasn't an affair? You know, no, it's because now these injected everyone with his microchip with that vaccine, he can just go online and find all the single ladies who've been vaccinated.
SPEAKER_04Those are the same people seeing these symbols, and also the same people that shoot up.
SPEAKER_08So here's here's here's here's the symbol.
SPEAKER_02Right, that's the actual website that they're getting so angry about Megalion. Yeah, which is an online feminist group that's often painted as this very kind of ultra combatant, but I don't know, they pay for they like raise money and pay for women's uh court fees for taking men to court, like rapists to court and stuff. Yeah, they do a lot of good things too, so they do great things.
SPEAKER_08This is Korean feminism is pretty mild compared to Western feminism.
SPEAKER_04Western feminism almost made me a misogynist. Sometimes it's so crazy, but yeah.
SPEAKER_08Well, I'm not gonna I I can't go there, but you know. Um okay, so this this woman right here, just advertising from McDonald's. Um, they attacked her because she graduated from a university that's associated with feminism.
SPEAKER_04There don't a lot of people graduate from that?
SPEAKER_08I know, I know another type of people.
SPEAKER_04Who's ever looked at where someone in a McDonald's commercial went to school? And I never thought any of them went to school.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, oh, oh, this is a society where um they will they will track down the make sure the diploma is valid for rappers.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, there was a huge hoopla over Tableau, whether or not he actually graduated from Stanford.
SPEAKER_08Because you know, street cred. There's nothing says rapping street cred like Stanford.
SPEAKER_02That's lame. He did actually graduate from Stanford, so I feel good, but yeah, it's a little bit that was like a year-long thing. Oh, I remember that one.
SPEAKER_08Anyway, anyway, yeah, going back to that.
SPEAKER_02Um well, and then like they've gone after you know girl uh like girl group members for because they posted pictures of like selfies on Instagram reading books that are supposed to be that may or may not be feminist content.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, this is how it is. It's like you cannot you cannot do anything. I mean, this is how this just shows how much power these men have when when women can be attacked just for reading a book online that could be remotely conceived as feminism because feminism is the Korean equivalent of QAnon or Nazism.
SPEAKER_02There was the one, and then there was another girl group member who got attacked for her phone cover that said girls can do anything.
SPEAKER_08I remember that. Oh yeah, forget oh my god, because you know they can't.
SPEAKER_04No, we can't, they can't, they can't.
SPEAKER_02It's just yeah, it gets it gets it's just getting kind of ridiculous.
SPEAKER_08It's we're getting to the ridiculous. Now, this is even more. So so this is this is my guidelines on if you want to offend antifemis, and that's what they call it, antifemies. Um, use the word hubba hubba. Hubba hubbo. Uh these these are ones that are pointing out nags that offend poor little men who live with their moms.
SPEAKER_04Um they do.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, they say that they say that hubba hubba attacks this is the sound men make when they eat ravenously. And I'm like, well, if you don't like that, then don't look like you're eat you're you're don't don't eat like a starving dog when you're like on TV eating noodles. You know? Have you noticed that? Like you ever watch those those those reality shows? You know, and it's like uh a woman's woman's eating like a civilized person, but the man's just stuffing all the food in one cheek.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. It's horrible. Yeah, I'm like, oh so they use that term and then it offends the men.
SPEAKER_08It offends the men to point out that men tend tend to eat like they've been tend to stuff all the food in their face.
SPEAKER_04See, that's what I don't like about the West is that I feel like feminists, whoever more the left, which I I am left, but like not that far. But um, I feel like everyone gets so sensitive about the smallest things. Like you put the okay symbol on the on the list, and I didn't know that it meant that. And I've used it, I'm sure, before, but like there's all these little tiny things that people get really upset about. What okay?
SPEAKER_08Oh, this is new. Oh, Robas added this. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he just messaged me and said that if we got a link, he's he's here.
SPEAKER_08Oh, oh, he added this. Um I could pull him in if he wants to come in. Um Facebook saying give him give him the link to the to the chat. I'll pull him in.
SPEAKER_02To the thing, yeah. He's like, Joe isn't seeing my messages. Like, hold on, give him no, I'm not I'm gonna check.
SPEAKER_08I'm sorry. I I know we're gonna we're live on YouTube, and I'm not checking the YouTube. This is another one is is uh Ojo uh Ojo Ok, um which is like Ojo O it's like five 500 billion, five million. Um it's a it's just an attack on men's sperm counts. That's that's also yeah. I was like, really? Are we so sensitive?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm always against the group that's sensitive.
SPEAKER_08I think this is it. This is this is Ilbay. I used to I used to follow stuff about Ilbay all the time. It was this these right wing assholes, and that they were really like they would harass the vic the the parents of the Seywall uh children who were killed. Um this one this one manly man Ilbay bug, though that's what they call it was Ilbay bugs, um, living with his mom, and he got angry that his mom didn't make him breakfast that day when she before she left. So you know how he did what he did? He took all of her makeup and ruined it and rubbed it into the floor and took a picture of it and showed everyone this is this will teach her.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_08Yeah. He destroyed his mother's makeup. This is like a 30-year-old man.
SPEAKER_04This is what my I think. I think these are people who in their youth would normally in America you see these problems arise early in their youth because they start um killing small animals, birds, and then cats, and then dogs, and then later they start acting out with people and eventually become serial killers. And in Korea, you don't have small animals running around. So attack mom's makeup kit's makeup starts with mom's makeup.
SPEAKER_08And he poured water on it. Oh god, I remember that. Um, hold on, let me let me give Rob his.
SPEAKER_02I hope she made him clean it up. See, whole. I'm still your mother.
SPEAKER_04Could you imagine going on a date with that guy like in 10 years and then finding out like googling him and finding out he's the guy that smeared his mom's makeup?
SPEAKER_08I wonder, I wonder, this is another this is another telling thing. How many of these anti-femis can cook for themselves?
SPEAKER_04I don't think any of them that should say a lot, right there.
SPEAKER_08Oh yeah, actually, that's kind of true. Okay, another one is um uh a female comedian uh did a thing where she took a male doll and mocked it, used her finger to pretend there was a penis there. And the police are investigating her for that.
SPEAKER_02Where does she post it? It was on YouTube, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_08Is it on YouTube?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was uh for some YouTube thing.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, the article I'm looking at did not oh, oh, it does have the YouTube. Um yeah, um, it's in the notes.
SPEAKER_02Like, um, yeah, so during her YouTube entertainment show, she playfully pushed a male doll's arm towards its groin while changing its clothes. At least that's what the Herald said she did.
SPEAKER_04I think he should be investigated because she's an adult with a doll, like playing with a doll on YouTube. I think that's okay.
SPEAKER_08Here, let me let me share it. Let me share it. Let me share it. Hold on, let me let me pull it up. Um, hold on, let me let me bring Rob in. Oh, we have Rob. Rob Aceo is here. Hey everybody.
SPEAKER_04Hello, well, you've got a real studio.
SPEAKER_06Oh, by the way, turn off all your YouTube stuff. I teach remote. Yeah, I you had that little echo there for a second, didn't you? Giant delayed.
SPEAKER_02For a second, I thought I accidentally unmuted mine. I was like, Wow, oh no, it wasn't me this time.
SPEAKER_08Why am I repeating myself? That's your senility.
SPEAKER_04That's a cool chair.
SPEAKER_08That is a groovy chair. It looks like lungs. I like those dual-back chairs, they're awesome. Um, I was about to show uh the the video that kind of shows the comedian who's being investigated by the police for sexual harassment on a doll.
SPEAKER_04Well, she's a comedian. Uh hold on.
SPEAKER_08Let me let me I'm sharing my screen. Hold on, let me let me pull that up. Um my gosh, the audio listeners are gonna hate this show. Here we go. I'm pulling it up. All right, uh, okay. Fast forwarding, I'm gonna fast forward. And so this is a little YouTube act, and they're they're blurring it out that she took this, looks like like a Kin doll. Um, and it's showing the police station. Uh okay. Uh YouTube. Oh god, my girl. Okay, I can't read Hungo that fast. Okay, so pause it. I'm not gonna pause it. Anyway, basically it's showing that it's showing this comedian. Um and she's on and she has oh, it looks like a stretch Armstrong. That's what it is. It looks like a stretch Armstrong, and she she started playing with its tally whacker or pretending there was a tally whacker there using her finger.
SPEAKER_04And why?
SPEAKER_08I mean, not the funniest thing, but she's being investigated by the police for doing this.
SPEAKER_04Oh, they love it. Look at them. Oh yeah. I've seen her before. Huh. I mean, that's worth investigating. Why focus on murders and rapes and drugs and whatever that's happening in home day when she's playing with a doll.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, exactly. Well, you know, thousands, thousands of people signed that petition on the Blue House website.
SPEAKER_02Um for her to get investigated.
SPEAKER_06That's one of the yeah, one of the things that I've I've been thinking about lately, like, is this whole thing where the media is reporting on like somebody's controversial tweet, or the media is reporting on a petition that's on the Blue House website, or and the same thing in the White House website, right? Where like, is this actually a news story? And what are the what are the benchmarks? Like, how many signatures on that petition is enough to to be like, okay, this is an actual social movement and we should pay attention to it? And how how much of it is just like, listen, if we write an article about this, we'll get some clicks, and you know, we need to advertise our money right now.
SPEAKER_08This is what was disturbing to me was when I was researching this, and I was researching specifically the GS25 article of controversy. 90% of the Korean language articles I researched, and this is just like a few a neighbor search, and I've I searched through four pages of search. 90% were anti-feminist. They were using language like like this GS25 CEO finally apologized, things like that. Like they did wrong. Like GS25 actually did something wrong. 10% were kind of saying, like, yeah, um, this is a tempest in a tease pot that someone is is manufacturing. 10% of the story said that. The other thing that you'd probably do anybody like the other thing. No, no, no, no. No, no. We're we're men, but we we we're we're we're the types that don't talk over women.
SPEAKER_04I forgot what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_06Good job, Joe. It's probably no big deal. That wasn't gaslighting. Um well, what uh what I was gonna say though is like the other thing that you find when there's a viral story like this is that like out of those, you know, if there are 500 articles, 90, 450 of them are like 435 of those 450 are just quoting one of the first three articles about the topic.
SPEAKER_08That is true, because I find a lot of repetitive articles in there.
SPEAKER_06It's just this echo chamber. Um, it's just this echo chamber of recycled, recycled stories to stir up out. And I I think I read like I think I read about like places like Breitbart where they do that on purpose. Like this was part of the 2016 presidential campaign thing, is they would take these articles and they would like fine-tune them and like just move the paragraphs around and and change a few word choices to find the absolute most clickbaity one in order to maximize the impact. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. So it's all like it's all focus groups.
SPEAKER_08Sorry. That was that see, that says it all right there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I'm sorry, I was gonna respond and then I you had a great response, but no, we man we had to mansplain it, you know.
SPEAKER_04No, I didn't have one. Sorry, yeah, no, I agree. I do, I do think they're changing the articles and trying to get clickbait.
SPEAKER_08I used to I used to I like I used to work in political talk radio and we would deal with organizations like Newsmax and they were a little sleazy and they would do stuff like that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04They were clickbaiting funny, yeah. It's just all the people on social media who just follow it so closely and and do get emotional about it. Like I quit watching the news after Trump was elected, and or um after Biden was elected, and I'm so much happier. I don't know what's going on. America could be burning, and I'm just fine.
SPEAKER_08Actually, it's doing quite fine. It's doing quite fine right now, actually.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, it's kind of funny.
SPEAKER_08It's kind of funny how it's doing right now.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02You talk to my dad, and it doesn't sound that way.
SPEAKER_08Really? No. Yeah, I think about vaccinated, vaccinated and watching watching theater in the park. I mean, this is great. I love this show. It's just Rob, this is like an old soul podcast show. It's just chaos.
SPEAKER_06Kind of is, yeah. A little happy chaos.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I'm not really. I mean, we're sort of touching on the topic. Um, you you put in a lot of information that we're just gonna promptly ignore.
SPEAKER_06Uh you know like this. I actually I I remember four years ago on this the Cafe Soul podcast that I do, I interviewed somebody and we talked about this exact thing, like Ilde versus Megalia and what's going on there and the internet culture wars. And like the line, so the lines have been drawn since 2016 at least. Um apparently what I was told then is that basically Megalia started out just taking, like, you know, the have you ever seen where somebody takes like some comment and just switches the genders? You know, they take some comment that like a politician made and they just switch switch she for he. And when you read it with the genders switched, you see how on its face ridiculous the comment is, or on its face hateful. Um and I what what my guest told me is that basically that's where Megalia started. They would just go around the regular Korean internet or Ilbe, take comments that people were saying about women, and switch the genders and put them on Megalia. Um it's that's just putting a mirror up. And but the men went ballistic. They went ballistic, but they could they couldn't they couldn't handle that mirror image.
SPEAKER_08They can't handle it, and you wonder why they can't handle it. And it's I mean, this is something I said on the dark side podcast a few weeks ago, and then I saw this in this article. So a professor's actually saying something similar. It's like you have it's mostly men in their 20s. They're that are dis disenfranchised, not disenfranchised. Um what's the word I'm looking for? It's a it's a Marxist word. Anyway, um they can't they can't get that Samsung job that they've been working all their lives for. They can't get that posh chable job, even though those jobs suck, but it's a job they've been shooting for for their prestige. They can't get that white-collar job they've been wanting. Their career's not going the way they want it to. The women that they wanna they wanna sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna we're gonna get the explicit raising rating. The women they want to fuck don't want to date 'em. Well, and so but at the same time, um, you know, the way society is, they're also not the top of the they're they got they're they're higher than other parts of society, but they're not the highest part. So that the the older males are also pressuring, putting a lot of pressure on them. And so like the almost everybody's solution they can think of. The only way they can make themselves feel better is to punch down.
SPEAKER_06Now, like I I'll be honest, okay. I I really no like here's Brittany's lying. Why don't you lie? Come on. Lying? Here's the thing, though. Like I I teach, I teach these men, okay. I I teach university first-year students. So I'm I get you're gonna get in trouble. I get no, no, well, just hold on. I get like a hundred young men who are staring at Korea's social conditions as a young man, not in a sky university in the face coming through my class. Okay. Now, let's also add a little sociological context here. Um, from like about 1990 to 2000, the ratio of boys to women in Korea was because of like gender selective abortion and stuff like that. Okay. Uh, I think in 1990 it was something crazy, like 130 boys for every 100 girls born in Korea that year. Okay. Because of the male preference. So we're talking about a huge number of Korean young men who their dating prospects are not great. Yeah. All of this, all of the same like toxic capitalism things that are making everyone in the world struggle are leaning especially hard on them because they're also facing social pressure from their grandparents that you're supposed to be the man of the house, you're supposed to be the bread earner. And, you know, when your father got married, he bought an apartment and he bought a car and he bought a, you know, like like all of that gender pressure is on them too. Yeah. Yeah. You've got to do military service. Now, you know, if you slow down and actually get people to think about it, like, well, the reason that. Only men do military service is not because of feminists, it's because the men who made the rules about military service were sexists.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06You know, the reason men only men do military service in Korea is because of sexism. So these guys should be feminists, these guys should be allies of the movement that is trying to erase those gender roles, flatten out those gender expectations, make it so that the rules really do apply the same to everyone, so that they're no longer feeling that pressure that, well, I've got to pay for dinner, but I also don't get any rights because feminism, you know, like they feel like they're getting it from all sides at this point. It's, you know, yeah, it's tough for everybody. It's tough for these guys. And you take a bunch of people like that with diminishing prospects, with not much hope for the future, in a bad situation that doesn't look like it's getting better, and you give them someone to blame, right?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and you and like like like as I'm I'm I'm kind of paraphrasing Sean Lim of Soul Light, they're punching down. But he was talking about how progressives were Korean progressives are treating foreigners. Um they're punching down.
SPEAKER_06And like I I'm not saying all of this stuff to say that this all means it's okay for them to be toxic sexists and abusive and to, you know, all of the terrible things they do. I'm not saying that it's right or okay for them to mobilize internet attacks and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_08But what I am saying is like You're gonna make me sound like an asshole for making fun of Mr. Makeup guy.
SPEAKER_04I know now I regret everything I said and look at.
SPEAKER_08Well, here's here's the way uh Brittany's already reserved you're coming back on the show in the future.
SPEAKER_04I have nothing useful to say.
SPEAKER_08No.
SPEAKER_04I'm like the least educated.
SPEAKER_08No, you have you have color you yeah, you have the great commentary.
SPEAKER_02That's like well, like I think a point that Rob made that it's good to focus on is yeah, they somebody gave them a scapegoat to focus on, and what it does is it takes the focus off of who's really behind all of the issues, yeah, so that nothing actually ever gets changed. We're so you know, these guys are so angry, and yeah, we feel bad for them, but they're focusing all this kind of antagonism and aggressiveness in the wrong spot. It's not the these feminists' fault that the things are the way they are, it's the old guys up top.
SPEAKER_08So yeah, and and what I was getting from the um the Korean, the Koreans and the Koreans uh I was talking to were saying like this really does sound like an organized conservative group manipulating the media in the so they should kill all the old people, then that would be better.
SPEAKER_02Like we're reading these are just like so kill the old people. There we go.
SPEAKER_06I think you've found the title for this episode.
SPEAKER_02Let's kill all the old people.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, were you kind of hoping COVID would get more of the you know that was one of the worst nicknames for COVID I heard was you know, like there were all the racist ones, which are crappy, and I'll never repeat them. But but one I heard was Boomer Remover.
SPEAKER_07Oh no, isn't that horrible? But it's lovely, it's horrible and lovely at the same time.
SPEAKER_06It has such a nice ring to it, but what a horrible thought.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Um, but no, but you're right, Emma, that's exactly it, right? That that as long as they are punching down, as long as you know, as long as young, disenfranchised young men and disenfranchised young women are fighting each other, nobody is disrupting the system that pits them dog against dog against each other. And and that's where, you know, that's that's where the solutions are. But the other the other thing is, you know, like when when men are treating women with so much contempt, and when women are when then when we turn around and treat men like, oh, look at these incel losers with such contempt, that just pushes them farther into the community where nobody calls them a loser.
SPEAKER_08That's true, but uh it's so much fun to make fun of makeup guy.
SPEAKER_04That's so much fun. I just think I I feel like um rather than spending all of that time online fighting back and forth, maybe focus on getting a job or like building character or like playing a sport or being healthy rather than just fucking around on the internet all day.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, but that's that's the other thing too, is like a lot of these men live with their parents and they don't have the pressure to pay rent. They don't have the pressure to go out and get a job.
SPEAKER_04Well, that sounds like the parents' problem.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, but that's it's but it's also the underlying problem is also because real estate prices are crazy, it's really almost impossible for someone to live out on their own without the move to another city.
SPEAKER_04They're so desperate to live in the middle of Seoul, right where everything's happening.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I know, I know, I know, and and some independent-minded people are actually going back to farming. But yeah, I don't want to do that. No, but 50% of the population lives in Seoul because that's what we do.
SPEAKER_04Well, they will yeah, and they say I've um my husband teaches adults as well, and they say they complain about the same thing, how everything's expensive, they want to they want to get married, they want to buy an apartment, but they don't be they can't because they have to live in Seoul. Just fucking move. Yeah, like just go to Dajon or Guangzhou.
SPEAKER_08I would go if I could.
SPEAKER_04I really would just be in Seoul.
SPEAKER_08My business is here though. My business, I have to I can't do dark side of soul tours in Busan.
SPEAKER_05Right.
SPEAKER_08You've got it makes it. I would go if I could. I love the Korean countryside, and now with coupon, it's I love it. But uh the other thing, of course, is that you and I'm gonna leaving Korea altogether. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_03Oh really? Where are you going? Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_08We're gonna we're gonna see by the way, guys. I want you I'm calling this now. This is the observation I've made with expats over the years, is is Emma's going Emma's going through a phase right now where she's adjusting to it, but in the last three months, she's gonna do the CU suckers phase. In which she's she's gonna be like, You're all losers for staying here. I hate this place. She's gonna start doing this.
SPEAKER_02I would never ever do that.
SPEAKER_08That's why I never go to going away parties because it is basically CU suckers parties.
SPEAKER_06No, Joe, you never go to going away parties because you have no soul.
SPEAKER_02I thought you're gonna say this wasn't like it.
SPEAKER_07It's because my pee pee's only this big.
SPEAKER_04Oh no. Where are you going to?
SPEAKER_02Austin, Texas.
SPEAKER_04That's where I'm moving next year. That's how I give a little test.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, I'm moving next year. We're actually moving next March. So April.
SPEAKER_06Oh, you're totally gonna be neighbors.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, we're gonna have a group. Yeah. Wait a minute.
SPEAKER_06Do you know Jan from Texas?
SPEAKER_04No, I'm trying to sell art too. What's so funny?
SPEAKER_08What's so funny? You make that joke, but if she goes back to Austin and she says, Oh, I lived in Seoul for a while. So if someone says, Hey, do you know Rob from Seoul? Likely she will. Because our community is so small.
SPEAKER_07That actually likely will.
SPEAKER_06That actually happened to me when I moved across Canada once. Although it was it was still within like the Christian school church community, so maybe that reduces the the uh the unlikeliness quite a bit. It's funny how I actually said that still happens. Oh, you're moving to that town? Do you know John from Abbotsford? And it was actually a guy in my class.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's weird.
SPEAKER_08That's weird.
SPEAKER_02I still get that with JBU. Oh, you went to John Brown University. Do you know so and so? And I'm like, actually, I do.
SPEAKER_08Wow, that's that's interesting too. I guess.
SPEAKER_04Why are you why did you choose Austin?
SPEAKER_02Um it's always just kind of been at the top of my list. If I ever moved back, I wanted to go there because I love kind of live music and they have South by Southwest. Oh, yeah. That was like the main thing, but then I started really looking into it and it's just a really great city. It's young, there's a lot going on with the job market. Like so far, I've got like my pick of jobs. Hopefully, that stays away. It's cheaper. Like, we're looking at like three beds. Yeah, we looked at a house on the pool.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I know you can get pools now.
SPEAKER_02You can like pools.
unknownWow.
SPEAKER_02I was like a pool.
SPEAKER_08I didn't know I needed a pool, but now I know going back to the south, especially where the land is flat, it's all pools.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I know. I mean, Rob Rob doesn't know this, he's from Canada. Uh but they have pools down south.
SPEAKER_06Is that kind of like is that kind of like an outdoor ice rink?
SPEAKER_08Well, yeah, well, yeah, pool pools are where you go to escape the mosquitoes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
SPEAKER_06Those are those things that those are those things that turn into outdoor ice rink ice rinks when they freeze, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I missed your joke.
SPEAKER_07It's all right. That's all right. It's okay. Um I'm looking for you to see.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, some sometimes I see sometimes I see like aerial photos of you know cities in the southern parts of the United States, and it uh yeah, it amazes me how many backyards have pools in them.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Yeah. I grew up swimming.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I was like, fun stuff.
SPEAKER_04I was on the swim team in business.
SPEAKER_08I was like, people people always make all these assumptions about people from the south. It's like, what did you do when you're growing up? We we we were in pools the whole time. We're in pools. Tell me more. Okay, I want to know more because Britney's our special new guest. We've heard enough about Rob for the past Rob's been on the show for like what since 2008. I mean I always have opinions.
SPEAKER_06You could just push that button and I've got an opinion for you, but you know, I'll be here next time too.
SPEAKER_04Yours are all smart. So I think some things.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. They're smart, but you you can you can tap through them.
SPEAKER_04It's Rob. Be prepared.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. You know, I might I might be smart, but I like it better if you just laugh at my jokes.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, me too. I like that.
SPEAKER_06That's that's you've got some pretty good status. Um wouldn't I have one right now for you now that you've said that, but Brittany.
SPEAKER_08Um for one thing, or do is does anyone call you anything else like Brit or anything? No, Brittany? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna continue calling you Brittany then.
SPEAKER_06Um how long did you come to Korea?
SPEAKER_04Uh six years ago.
SPEAKER_08Six years ago. That's a look at actually honestly, that's a good long time to be here.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm ready to leave.
SPEAKER_08The average stay is two years.
SPEAKER_04I love it. I love Korea. I'm gonna be upset when I leave, but it's it's gonna kill you.
SPEAKER_08Uh I've been through this before because I lived in Germany when I was much younger, and and there they came a point where I couldn't wait to leave.
SPEAKER_04Did you miss the sausages?
unknownUh yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well, in Germany.
SPEAKER_08Not in Germany. No. Um, but uh um, well, after I came back, it's like I missed that place. I missed that place. I want to go back, I want to go back. That was that was stupid. I shouldn't have left. And that's one of the reasons I moved to Korea because I just missed living in a different country. I missed it so badly.
SPEAKER_04Then you have days like today where the air quality is so bad. Yes, you can't go outside, and it's like, well, fuck it. I'm leaving.
SPEAKER_08Yes, yes, I do, I do go through that. I do go through that. Then I have moments like a year ago when the world was burning down and Korea was kind of okay.
SPEAKER_04Exactly. Yeah, and I mean, you know, we want to move to Austin, there was just a shooting there.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Most of my collectors are in America, so it's it's time to go. My husband's been here 15 years.
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's time to go.
SPEAKER_06It's time to sell. Some people kind of reach a point where it's like, okay, I gotta go now.
SPEAKER_08If you're not if you're not shooting for citizenship, then just try to have one, you know, come back, come back. You always got friends. Well, you know, you don't always got friends here because everyone's so transient. And when you come back, everything would have changed.
SPEAKER_04I prefer less friends.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Less that I have to do.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I like to burn bridges.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, this is something about something about Seoul though, does bring people back, though.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm gonna be devastated. But I want a big dog too.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, there are all these little things that you really want, like a big dog and a swimming pool and clean air.
SPEAKER_04Clean air one. Yeah, that would be nice.
SPEAKER_08But there are little things I moved to Korea for, which is like health care.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's gonna be the tough one.
SPEAKER_06Like I like the I like the little streets, the little Golmukil. That's what makes me happy. When I'm having a bad Korea time, I just go take a walk at night through some of those little tiny back streets, and I'm happy again.
SPEAKER_08He he lives in a great area though. He lives he lives near Gombokung Palace.
SPEAKER_06I live in an area where the back streets are cute, not like rat infested.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Um but that's one reason I when I do the dark side assault tour, is I walk through those neighborhoods too, and it makes me fall in love with the city again. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04They're great. They are.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I do like that. It's kind of suck.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. Um okay, you you tried you were doing the blockchain selling of your of your stuff. What did what happened? What did I do?
SPEAKER_04Wait, I I turned on uh Siri or something. What did you say?
SPEAKER_08Well, lucky Siri. Um Siri. Um no, no, I was saying you you did that you did that blockchain thing where you sold your art, your digital art, right? Are you doing NFTs?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Ah I have another, I have another friend who's doing that. We're gonna get him on the show. We're gonna get him on the show, actually. What kind of art do you do? Is it photography or paintings?
SPEAKER_04Oh, painting. Yeah, it's painting.
SPEAKER_07Someone has been listening to the show.
SPEAKER_04Someone doesn't get on every Facebook page ever. I post like 25 times a day.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Brittany, Britney's art. Okay, this is the funny thing about the show, is like a few weeks ago we had Annie from from Lovex Stereo, and it's like that music really hits my sweet spot. And Britney's art hits my sweet spot as well. So it just we're getting like um I get people on the show I'm fans of. This is really this is my art that I really like. This is stuff I want to buy.
SPEAKER_04Thank you. Yeah, this really is.
SPEAKER_08I will uh when I get money, I'm paying for it. So yeah, I'll I'll make sure you're you're okay.
SPEAKER_04I'll have a solo exhibition this fall.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah, I heard about that. Tell us about that.
SPEAKER_04That's all I know. That's it. I don't know when, I don't know exactly where. I don't know what I'm gonna. I'm gonna I think I'm gonna do a Western series for it. Because I like to branch out. I want to do like a Western series with some Comanches and tornadoes and murder.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, that I'm loving your your just American American American trash.
SPEAKER_04It's yeah, that's me.
SPEAKER_08Straight up Americana.
SPEAKER_07John Waters. It yes, yes, exactly it. It is John Waters and Tarantino.
SPEAKER_08It's yeah, uh I love that stuff. Uh uh and yeah, I'm I'm I'm looking forward to purchasing your stuff, even your architectural stuff, because I think I think that's great.
SPEAKER_04I'm I only do that if I'm forced, like commission.
SPEAKER_08But uh if you got some stuff that you're trying to get your hands off of, I'll buy it from you eventually. Okay, yeah. Do you do like anything really big? Do you I mean I've I've seen some of the stuff you paint. Do you do really large canvas stuff?
SPEAKER_04Um, yeah, I like four feet. I have one here, but four feet by two feet, three feet by the big. Okay, canadian Canadians can do both.
SPEAKER_06We we can code switch.
SPEAKER_04I I can now.
SPEAKER_06You can code switch. What's what's three feet in Fahrenheit again?
SPEAKER_04That's one thing I haven't figured out is temperature.
SPEAKER_08It's hard. I just get used to it, uh but I don't I don't convert. I just I just I know what 21 feels like and I know what uh 65 feels like, so it's fine. 21 and 65 kind of feel the same. So I think this kind of I'm right.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah, close enough. It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_08Um, do we have Rob? Did you have any more to say about the GS25 and the feminism? I think I think I beat it out.
SPEAKER_04I'm just I was gonna make fun of feminists, but then it's like now we're feeling guilty for making fun of these guys. Now I feel bad for them and I feel bad for the men. And then you're talking about how they that one group pays for those women to go to court and everything. I'm like, oh that's really good. Like sometimes when I think of feminists, I just think of like women showing their hairy armpits and yelling and telling me I'm not funny.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well, I mean, that's one thing about the left is the left has a really bad like public relations problem where we the way that people and I'm I'm very very much on the left, but um we are wouldn't you know we eat our we eat our own too. We eat our own. First first of all, we eat our own, and second of all, the kinds of things that we get upset about um as a group sometimes just we're really bad about coming across as completely humorless blowhards, and and the other thing and no empathy. But the other thing that comes that really hits me when I read about like you know, all of those, all of those like New York Times articles, like we went down to Trump country, economic anxiety, and all of that stuff. What I've really been taking away from that kind of media and commentary is like people on the left are really bad at looking down on people who disagree with them.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_06Talking about treating people who don't share our politics as if there's something wrong with them, as if they're stupid or ignorant or yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08But I think a lot of like like I grew up in Alabama, a lot of the reason people act the way they do is because in reaction to the rest of the country looking down on them.
SPEAKER_06And that's the thing, right? Is that feeling, and I've been thinking about like um you know, the right has Fox News, okay, the left has late-night comedians. Now they do. This is this is well, this goes all the way back to Jon Stewart. This goes back to the way.
SPEAKER_08But now they do. Yeah, but I'm talking about like they have Rush Limbaugh since the 80s.
SPEAKER_06Okay, sure. But things were not as polarized then. But the thing that the late night comedians have really. Sorry, sorry, sorry. And I finished damn sentence Joe. Somebody give Joe some toffee instead of a drink so that he can't talk for a bit. Sorry. Let me finish my damn thought. Um but the thing that those late night comedians have been doing is just making fun of the right. Yeah, and when people are feeling mocked and looked down upon, that pushes them further into their corner. That is not the way to win friends, that is not the way to build bridges. And so everybody's getting upset about Tucker Carlson and stuff like that. But what about what about that? What about like Stephen Colbert and and you know, I don't hold any of them individually responsible, but the fact that basically a bunch of Trevor Noah and Jon Stewart, like these avatars, are standing in for what Fox News is doing on the right, and they are just mocking and mocking and mocking the opponent.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_06That's not helping things either. Instead, sorry, what's some of it is a little bit false equipment.
SPEAKER_04I prefer to watch Fox News just because I think it's easier to get news from people I disagree with than the other side. I don't know, CNN it always feels kind of whiny to me. Oh, is it CNN is always panicky because it's always scary in a way, but it's panicking over something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There Anderson Cooper cries all the time, and I don't really respect people who cry at their job.
SPEAKER_08I get a good combination. I mean, I don't listen to Fox, but I do listen. I mean, of course I listen to MPR, but I listen to Reuters. Reuters seems farther to the left than MPR.
SPEAKER_04Any of them lately, but I used to just listen to Fox just to see what the other side was thinking.
SPEAKER_08Well, I gotta do is all I gotta do is visit my family and I get enough of the Fox. Or or or it used to be just go to the US Embassy and you would get your big taste of Fox there.
SPEAKER_06The advice that I give my students is don't read domestic outlets for domestic news. Like if you read you want to read about American politics, don't read CNN or Fox, you know, go read Al Jazeera or BBC. BBC you want to read about British yeah, if you want to read about British politics, don't read the British news outlets. Find American outlets or Al Jazeera or the Tokyo Times or like find other countries writing about British.
SPEAKER_08Outsiders are better at looking at you.
SPEAKER_06I mean, what it is is the in the inse the incentives all line up for insiders to be biased and to show their biases and take a side. Where you know a country from another country doesn't have those political or social incentives to to take a side that way.
SPEAKER_08And there we go. That's the biggest plug for our soul podcast I've ever heard.
SPEAKER_06Right. Where where we ask the important questions like, what are you drinking tonight?
SPEAKER_08What are you drinking? What are you drinking tonight? Because we already asked everyone else. I've moved I've moved to Duck Duck Goose, by the way. A session IPA.
SPEAKER_04Why did you start drinking again?
SPEAKER_08Um because I was done with it. Oh my god, the exact same one. Yeah. Woo-hoo. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_05I had it lined up again.
unknownI finished it fine.
SPEAKER_08Uh no, my new thing is I have a I have like a soda stream in my house now. And something about homemade sparkling water tastes better than that. We have one of those too. Yeah, I really love it.
SPEAKER_06So refreshing.
SPEAKER_08I'm so middle-aged, man.
SPEAKER_06Get some gets no, get some mojito mix, like the the mojito base that you buy at like the alcohol store. Mix that in with the with the sparkling water.
SPEAKER_08Oh man. Because what I love about this is you can you can over you can put your sparkling water in overdrive.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I do as much as I've put a few extra pumps in there, and it's like, whoa, this is like crack. This is awesome.
SPEAKER_04I like how you said the alcohol store.
SPEAKER_06Alcohol store. Um god, you know what? I had my chemistry teacher showed me where it was. Oh, there we go. Yeah, we got the ethanol over here. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04Rosalie's nerd. Oh Rob.
SPEAKER_08Oh my god, show us that tongue again. Oh my god, that's a Gene Simmons tongue you have.
SPEAKER_06No way, I don't want to be invested in the world.
SPEAKER_07You have a Gene Simmons piece that was that's like I got actually got turned on a little bit when I saw that. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I don't need to hear about that, Rob.
SPEAKER_06That's that's the sweet spot that Robaceo reaches when when I come on.
SPEAKER_08I I'm notoriously short-tongued, so that means I have to do more work.
SPEAKER_06Are you attached at the little like in the little spot under your by your teeth? Yeah. Is it attached there?
SPEAKER_08It's very, it's very, it's very light, yeah. It's very it's leased. My tongue is leased.
SPEAKER_06I have a friend whose tongue is attached in that spot.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, she can't stick out her tongue like that far. Yeah, that's as far as I can go. Yeah, I got I gotta work harder. So that's what it is. Yeah. Maybe that's why my Korean's so bad.
SPEAKER_02Have you seen the people that cut their tongues in half?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I've not done that.
SPEAKER_02Oh, they do like the little forked tongue.
SPEAKER_08Oh, I thought you're talking about like what what Korean mothers make their kids do. That clip their tongues, they they they clip the part under the tongue like I have. So they can speak English better.
SPEAKER_06That's an old story, Joe. That's it's long gone, they don't do that anymore. That was like 2006 or something. The the little thing that attaches your tongue at the bottom. There used to be kind of an old uh myth going around that if you snip that so that the tongue is a little more loose, then kids can pronounce what is it, their L's and Rs more correctly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04That didn't work.
SPEAKER_06No, that doesn't work. It's not true. It's not true.
SPEAKER_04Jesus Christ. That's horrible.
SPEAKER_08The things we do for English. That was back in the days where it was believed that if you you're studying something and you tore the page out, chewed it, and swallowed it, you would learn it. Or if you sle if you if you had your book under your pillow at night, you would learn your stuff.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You what? You pooped it.
SPEAKER_08Poop pooped my exam, man. That's right. That's how you do it. Most of my essay, most of my test essays were that. I remember that time. It's like it's like it's like one time, one time on the way to class, I stepped in some dog poop, and I went into the uh went to the restroom to wash the poop off my shoe, and my my my history professor walked in to use the restroom. And he said, uh, you should have saved that for your next test.
SPEAKER_04That was great.
SPEAKER_07I I had the best school. I went to the best school. I love that place.
SPEAKER_06That's mean.
SPEAKER_08Anyway, do we have anything more to say about um uh anti Femi Megella M Migal? Megalia Megalia Megalia. I I really I wish it was pronounced Migal, because I think that's cool. Megal.
SPEAKER_04I didn't even know it existed until an hour ago.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_06I know the like my last my last thought is just that, and I think I I don't know, I don't think this has to necessarily be organized, but I do see it happening. It's just that it's amazing how often when people are talking about feminism that they're misres misrepresenting what feminism is and what feminism is about. Tell us um tell us man explain it to us, please. No, like okay, dude, feminism is an entire academic discipline. I know, I'm joking. So there's there's no such ending to the sentence feminism is, but when people talk about it and put you know put it in scare quotes, right? There they pull out, you know, here's this quote from this one person. Like they find like the three most man-hating quotes from every feminist writer, and they say this is the entirety of feminism, right? And there's just so much, and I think some of it's intentional, but maybe some of it's just misinformed, but there's so much misrepresenting what feminism is and what it's about and what its goals are and and how it actually works, that it becomes easy for people to recoil at the you know, to say, oh, I'm an anti-femme, when they just nobody's ever actually told them what feminism actually is, you know. Even like even Taylor Swift. Now she's like super feminist and she's awesome. But the first time somebody asked her, Are you a feminist? She was like, Oh no, I'm not one of those man haters, because that's what she had been told feminism was. I liked what Hermione said about steady, the steady stream of misrepresentation. What did Hermione say?
SPEAKER_08Hermione was more like, I mean, feminism also includes like boys who wants to play boys who want to play with dolls.
SPEAKER_06Oh yeah. Stuff like that. Sexism hurts men too. Yeah, right? Sexism hurts men too, and that it would sure be nice if that message got out a little more often.
SPEAKER_04I was listening to one lady say that all penetration is rape.
SPEAKER_08I remember that. I've I've heard that before. All penetration is rape. She never got okay.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and and I mean, there's there's some clown like that in every in every field that is saying things like that that you can pull out and make any group look ridiculous, you know.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Right. That's true. That's usually Rob.
SPEAKER_06It it usually is, actually. I am a clown. I but I only do it for it. Well, you know, Milo Yanopoulos, he used to he used to say this ridiculous stuff. Oh god, that guy, he's gone.
SPEAKER_08Hasn't he been killed?
SPEAKER_06And then he would he he is gone because he defended pedophilia, but yeah, he would he would then backtrack and say, Oh, I was just being provocative. I was just trying to get people talking, and that's how he would shield himself from the consequences of the stuff he actually said.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I always found that frustrating.
SPEAKER_04What did he say?
SPEAKER_06Um he he like got nostalgic about it or something. Like he he he basically like in a Caesar? You know what, you're gonna have to look it up. You're gonna have to look it up. Um yeah, but you might get in trouble if I say it on the show. He said something along the lines of like something on the lines of like that for many young gay men a relationship with an older man is something we you know, like he started talking nostalgically about being underage and having relationships with older men. Yeah, as if not when you're under a whole coming of age thing, not when you're underaven.
SPEAKER_08No, not when you're underage, not when you're under a thing okay.
SPEAKER_04But I think I think when you I I would take it from the perspective of an underage person, like I was always attracted to much older men when I was young. Of course, I never fucking dated one, but like my first crush was Sam Neal when I was like 10 years old.
SPEAKER_08I got from Jurassic Park. Oh my god. Oh my god, and you were the you're the age of Lex. Oh my gosh. I mean, uh yeah, I'd crush I had crushes on my teachers, but that would have been weird if I dated them, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06That was his comment that was a bridge too far.
SPEAKER_08But yeah, yeah, yeah. In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't date my teacher.
SPEAKER_04From that perspective, like from the young perspective, interested in the older, that makes sense. But yeah, if you're older and you're like, it's okay to date a 13-year-old, that's fucked up.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04It's a child.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. And I'd have to go look up his comments to see what the context was and stuff like that. But in the end, it was a bridge too far. So all of the people who were like using him to mobilize their culture war attack dogs decided that he was too much at that point.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, he's an extreme example.
SPEAKER_06But he would say, he would say, Oh, I'm just being provocative, yeah, in order to not take responsibility for his comments.
SPEAKER_08In here, though, it's kind of weird that the corporations again buckled so easily to these protests. There was even a guy, what was it, a guy that owned a GS25 saying, I am I am anti-femini. I'm anti-femme.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_08He posted a sign saying it, I'm anti-femmey. Shop at my store. Shop at my store.
SPEAKER_02It's actually not surprising to me because this is not the first time something like this has happened.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, I mean, it well, it's a different, different type of case. This is actually, you know, this was actually a sex crime. However, usually digital sex crimes uh massive, there's far more women who are victims of it than men. And for years, the police in Korea have just been like, well, it's really hard for us to track these people down, to prosecute, to go after them. It's just it's too it's impossible because there's so many spy cams and this and that. And then you had a case where there was a male model in an art class at a university posing nude, and one of the female students took a picture on her phone and posted on the internet.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Half, not even a full day. They had her in the police station.
SPEAKER_06They moved heaven and earth to make sure she had consequences. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08That's that's how it goes. I mean, that's bullshit because I have actually been I've been in the cyber crimes division of my local police station. I was under investigation just for some comments I made about my ex-boss. They had a document this thick of everything I read on the internet. They were combing through. Yep. And I was like, shit that I didn't even know I wrote. Like a weird comment on like a on a food blog site, you know, about a restaurant. They were they were tracking every comment I did everywhere on the internet. That's bullshit. That they can't do anything.
SPEAKER_02It didn't matter until it was a guy who was a victim.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, well, that shows the balance of power here.
SPEAKER_02That's what my point is like a little bit, you know, like a different situation because this was actually a crime that was committed. But you know, kind of same kind of response when it, you know, when it was something that affected men, they jumped on it and were like, yeah, they when they got it solved so fast. And there were all these protests from women groups because they were like, Okay, so what about my digital sex crime that you haven't done shit on for like the last two years because you say it's too difficult to track them down?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, but you found because I got uploaded the porn hub and they're currently wrecking off to it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so it wasn't, yeah, it's I mean I'm doing this to make Britney laugh, by the way. But yeah, and you know, and the groups were saying it's like it's not that we think that this woman shouldn't be prosecuted because she, you know, she broke the law, and yes, you know, she should have she should be brought in and prosecuted for what she did. It's just Lee, why aren't you doing this with the thousands and thousands of other cases that you have but were brought to you by women? That's true.
SPEAKER_04Why didn't she draw a more realistic drawing instead of taking a photo?
SPEAKER_08Boom. That's it right there. That's it right there. You didn't do the assignment. With that, I think we're gonna wrap it up. That was the perfect. That was perfect. That was perfect. For Brittany, for people who want to experience your genius, how can they find you in a way they won't stalk you?
SPEAKER_04Uh BrittneyFanning.com and Instagram at Brittany and Fanning.
SPEAKER_08Brit at Brittany Fanning?
SPEAKER_04Brittany and Fanning.
SPEAKER_08Brittany and Fanning.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Please follow. This is this is really lovely stuff. You're gonna be full and disturbing, and it's just oh, it's good. It's good stuff.
SPEAKER_02I love it.
SPEAKER_06While we while we were doing this, I I looked up Brittany, and your art is great.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_06So everybody go look go look it up.
SPEAKER_04It's creepy.
SPEAKER_06We have we have Rob.
SPEAKER_04But I love it. I need to just google. How many women love it? And I that's what I love, actually. It's yeah, it's helped me make more cool female.
SPEAKER_08I can I can pick out your artwork from a lineup. I mean, that's it's it's it's a unique style. And I need to and I love it that you're going into a really sick, sick direction. I'm looking forward to seeing more of it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08I'm really looking forward to seeing more of it. Rob, okay. Since you showed up, we're gonna have to ask how people can find your stuff if you want to promote anything.
SPEAKER_06Um, I'm on Twitter at Rob Oseo, R-O-B-O-S-E-Y-O. And uh these days I'm making podcasts with my friend Eugene at uh Cafe Soul Podcast. Uh lately we've been putting some of our old hits on YouTube. So you can find Cafe Soul Podcast on YouTube, or if you Google it, you'll get to our website, or you can find it in the iTunes store.
SPEAKER_08Bring Brittany on your show. She'll live another day.
SPEAKER_06Okay, we will.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we will. Ultra be so hungover from lunch drinking day drinking all day.
SPEAKER_08Well, thank you everyone, Emma. Thank you for everyone for showing. Oh well, Pippin did not even show up this entire time.
SPEAKER_02Uh, because I locked him. Wait, hold on. Do I need you want him?
SPEAKER_08No, no, no, no, that's fine. That's fine. I see your bridal gown the door.
SPEAKER_02Huh?
SPEAKER_08You got rid of the toilet paper and I see the bridal gown. It looks fine. I'm always picking on, I'm always picking on Emma's background.
SPEAKER_02You're always picking on my background. It's for a burles thing. I don't it's not a real white dress.
SPEAKER_06Can't you change your background in your Zoom, Emma? That's like the easiest thing.
SPEAKER_02Possibly, but I haven't tried okay.
SPEAKER_08This is a funny thing. This is this Republican con it's Republican state senator in the Midwest. Um, don't do that. That's distracting me way too much.
SPEAKER_06This is when I when I tell my students it's okay to change your background, but please don't choose something distracting. This is the one I use.
SPEAKER_04This is a real bad joke background.
SPEAKER_08So State Senator Joe. State Senator is on a zoom call about about a law to ban uh things that can distract drivers, like ban people from using their phones in the car for distracting drivers.
SPEAKER_07He was doing it from his car, but he's trying to use a background to make it look like he was in his office, but he's wearing a seatbelt. And and he's looking around like he's doing this. He's looking, he's looking checking left and right, and he's wearing a seatbelt, but he's trying to look like he's in his office.
SPEAKER_08While while while talking about a ban on people using the phone while driving.
SPEAKER_02Stupid. I think he made his point.
SPEAKER_07But the thing was he was against it. He was against the law. But he kind of made the other side's point by the way he was acting.
SPEAKER_04That's like how I am with drugs. I'm against other people doing them.
SPEAKER_08That's it too. It's like I I like my kid, I don't like other people's kids.
SPEAKER_06I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Oh, your kid's fine, Rob.
SPEAKER_08Your kid's fine.
SPEAKER_06No, but that's I think that's a reasonable position to hold.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Alright, everyone. I'm gonna close off the show because we're having too much of a good time. Until next time. Be safe out there.
SPEAKER_04Alright, see ya. Bye.
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