{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":2.46,"endTime":4.62,"body":"Have you ever wondered"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":2.46,"endTime":4.62,"body":"whether the problems in the world"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":4.62,"endTime":8.37,"body":"today would exist if we had deeper"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":4.62,"endTime":8.37,"body":"connection to ourselves, others, and the"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":8.37,"endTime":10.47,"body":"environment, and acted from that place?"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":10.74,"endTime":13.98,"body":"Welcome to the Conscious Action"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":10.74,"endTime":13.98,"body":"Podcast with your host, Brian"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":13.98,"endTime":17.44,"body":"Berneman and Kayla Greenville, who"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":13.98,"endTime":17.44,"body":"believed that connection is the."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":17.585,"endTime":21.365,"body":"Key to taking conscious action as"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":17.585,"endTime":21.365,"body":"individuals and creating a better world."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":21.725,"endTime":25.385,"body":"We are here to raise awareness and"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":21.725,"endTime":25.385,"body":"inspire meaningful action by sharing"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":25.385,"endTime":29.225,"body":"stories, knowledge and conversations"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":25.385,"endTime":29.225,"body":"with thought leaders and change makers"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":29.645,"endTime":33.845,"body":"from sustainability to wellbeing and"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":29.645,"endTime":33.845,"body":"everything related to conscious living."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":34.085,"endTime":38.105,"body":"Our mission is to empower you to be the"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":34.085,"endTime":38.105,"body":"change that you want to see in the world."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":40.23,"endTime":43.769,"body":"Welcome everyone to a new episode"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":40.23,"endTime":43.769,"body":"of the Conscious Action Podcast."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":43.89,"endTime":47.76,"body":"I am Brian Berneman, your host, and"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":43.89,"endTime":47.76,"body":"for this episode, I have the pleasure"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":47.76,"endTime":52.56,"body":"to be showing all the way from"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":47.76,"endTime":52.56,"body":"Canada, even though I can see the"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":52.565,"endTime":58.04,"body":"really nice beach background behind"},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":52.565,"endTime":58.04,"body":"you, Jonathan, uh, you're in Canada."},{"speaker":"Brian Berneman","startTime":58.62,"endTime":60.51,"body":"I don't think that's the weather there."},{"speaker":"Jonathan McLernon","startTime":60.81,"endTime":61.769,"body":"Uh, it, it isn't."},{"speaker":"Jonathan McLernon","startTime":61.98,"endTime":64.739,"body":"We actually had snow just"},{"speaker":"Jonathan McLernon","startTime":61.98,"endTime":64.739,"body":"the other day, so . 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