Kinky Cocktail Hour

Playing With Needles

November 19, 2020 Lady Petra and SafferMaster Season 1 Episode 206
Kinky Cocktail Hour
Playing With Needles
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In this episode, Lady Petra and SafferMaster discuss needle play and more with DiavalDiablo over a Dawa Cocktail. 

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Lady Petra:

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Speaker 2:

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Lady Petra:

I'm lady Petra. My pronouns are she her and her I'm staffer master. My pronouns are him his and he, And this is cocktail hour. Okay. So what are we drinking today? We're drinking a drink called the Dawa and it comes from the restaurant, the Carnivore. And it's an interesting drink. I made a little change on it because it has you quarter a lign and put it in the bottom of glass with a tablespoon of Brown sugar and a tablespoon of honey. And you muddle that all. Okay. Then it has you leave those in the glass and pour your vodka on, then feel crushed ice. And then it's kind of one of those meltdown drinks i t's supposed to melt down a little bit and start with t he l ime w heel. It just didn't work to have the big chunks of lime in there. I s tarted squeezed them out after t hey'd been muddled a nd remove them. And then it seemed to be coming together a little bit better than it was. We'll see, I've never had a Dawa Dawa D a w a Daewa and today's Diwali. So it's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Taste it. It's basically just vodka, Um, sugars, you know, Brown sugar and it's a little sour. Yeah. But it's not bad. It'll send out as the meltdown will be good. Yeah. So is this the, you know, it's a light drink. I think it's a before dinner drink, for sure. That's a good one to sip in the bar line, waiting for your table. That's exactly what I think. As soon as I drink it, I'm like, Oh yeah, this is a sipper, just like I'm waiting around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, we just had a nice walk outside. Nice brisk walk, five miles up and down Hills. Yeah. Yup. And we got to see that the holiday lights were getting put up on the trees on the Island. Yeah. And the leaves are falling. The leaves are falling. It's gorgeous. Yeah. It's a great day, but it's never a great day for us because we have a seminar coming up. We do. Yeah. On December 3rd at dating, I would recommend if you're interested in discovering what's in your toolbox and what else should be in your toolbox. Yeah. And giving you access to look at all types of relationships, not just intimate ones in a new way and with freedom. Yeah. Okay. And you're curious about outcome from as coaches of relationship, right. This would be an opportunity for you to sit in our seminar for free. Yes. And it's filling up. Yeah. So we encourage you to go to dating or go on a l ife onto lady Petras or Events page and find the events we're going to w rite. That's how you'll find it and register for the event. Yeah. I welcome everybody. Well tonight we have an interesting guest. Yes. Certainly a Kinkster with a wide range of interests. Certainly. Yes. And you know, you and I don't play with needles cause you're afraid of needles. However, I did peruse her, uh, pages and I mean, it's pretty elaborate and she's, she's, it's a magic. And I'm curious to learn about it obviously because it is art form. So we're happy to welcome you Diaval, to the conversation.

Diaval Diablo:

Thank you. It's pleasure to be here.

Lady Petra:

So first of all, for our listeners, tell us where you're located.

Diaval Diablo:

I am located in a small town in Lancashire, in England

Lady Petra:

And Lancashire is like North, right? It's up by Manchester.

Diaval Diablo:

Yeah. It's 40 minutes or so outside of Manchester,

Lady Petra:

You have to ask them, you have to ask about football first to ask about football. Yeah. I understand that. The allowed that you're a fan of Germany and you're, and you have to put up with the ball, is that, does my memory serves?

Diaval Diablo:

It does. Yes. If I am forced to watch football it's Germany all the way, but I, I have been partial to Newcastle now. And then isn't it illegal to be a German fan in England? Um, quite probably. I just keep it quiet, you know?

Lady Petra:

Well, why don't you tell us your journey in kink. When did you discover yourself as a King and how has your journey occurred to you?

Diaval Diablo:

Oh my goodness. It's a long story that goes back a long way. So I never really had the light bulb moment that people have quite often coming into the lifestyle. When I was young, I used to really, really enjoy watching Gillette adverts and things like that. I've men wet shaving, and I never really thought anything about it. I just knew that I really liked it for whatever reason. And I was super young. Like I had no idea about the world at this point in time. I just really liked watching those habits. So that kind of, yeah, I'd say that developed as my first fetish, if you will. And then as I started getting older, I just, I don't know. I, I accepted the things that I liked as if they were normal and I never really thought anything odd about it unless someone else pointed out that it was strange, but because I spent so much time with myself as one doors, I I'd already grown to accept them. Um, and it was actually in, Oh gosh, 2015 was probably the point where I thought, okay, I've got enough weird things about me now that I should maybe try and put a name to them and, and whatnot. And that's when I first stumbled upon FetLife and joined that, then it was just all downhill from that point forward.

Lady Petra:

So, you know, we understand That you have, uh, a range of curiosities in the world of kink. You know, we had reached out to you to talk about needles in particular, but what are some of the kinks that you're into?

Diaval Diablo:

Okay. So I obviously like needles. I'm quite specific about it though. I don't like just needles for the sake of it. I have to make a pretty picture. I actually started that because I'm terrified of needles and it was my way of taking control of that phobia and dealing with it in a way that, to me made sense at the time. What else am I into? Oh my goodness. Our light grapher erotica. So I find people's handwriting fascinating on paper, but I find to have someone write on your body or to write on your own body. And it's just, it's wonderful as a different kind of connection there. And it's really, really invasive

Lady Petra:

On your legs. I think it was. And I was at first thinking, did she write that on herself or did someone else do that? But I now understand when you're saying it, what that was that's that's amazing.

Diaval Diablo:

Yeah. I, um, the pictures that I've got where it's blue and red writing was a piece that I did for a friend and he wanted me to write something on myself that he could, you know, connect with me over. And so I wrote all of the bad words that I use about myself and all of the good words. And it was a really therapeutic experience to do that, but it's one that it comes and it goes, there are times where I feel like writing and there are times where I don't. Yeah.

SafferMaster:

In your writing, you also are quite prolific as a writer and a poet. Yes.

Diaval Diablo:

Yes. I had a lot of free time on my hands for a while. And it was when I'd first embarked on the journey and I had a very, very good inspiration and I spent a hell of a lot of time writing. Um, then I went through a bit of a dry spell when I had some personal things that were going on and I just didn't have time to write anymore. But my writing actually goes back to, I was eight years old when I was first published. So I've been writing for a very long time.

Lady Petra:

Ah, that's awesome. I mean, I I've just, that gives me chills. That's great.

SafferMaster:

And so when you write from a kink perspective, what's your inspiration? What are you trying to achieve in your writing? Are you looking to work through issues that you have, or you're looking to put some thoughts out into the universe?

Diaval Diablo:

It depends what I'm writing. So it tends to be with poetry. I just want to establish a connection apart from, I have a series that's written about the devil and a fallen angel, and that's a lot more about characterization. My background is in filmmaking and screenwriting. So, you know, heavy on the characterization and it's just building that relationship within the poetry. My other poems that aren't about those two characters tend to be me trying to express an emotion that I'm feeling at a time. So it's possibly reaching out, but more to connect with someone might be feeling similarly in an abstract way. If it erotica that tends to be a blend of fact and fiction. And I never quite tell anybody where the line is in the, I mean, some of them are obvious because you know, they're just insane and a person probably wouldn't survive them or in some cases it doesn't survive them. But usually I try and blur the line that someone wouldn't quite know how much was inspired by reality. And then if it's a journal type entry where it's a thought piece, a lot of those are just self-reflection and how I identify with myself more than anything that should anybody ever want to get to know me. I can guarantee if a question gets asked, I've already written down the answer.

Lady Petra:

Well, you've been running for a long time and it's definitely a creative expression of yourself. You know, when I sit down to write I'm task oriented, I'm, there's a reason I'm writing for something that's technical, technical writing or it's research writing, or, but very rarely do I fictional free, write. Since you have the gift, are you disciplined? Do you set time aside every day? I mean, how do you approach it as a writer?

Diaval Diablo:

So with poet trays, usually one line that pops into my head, I wrote a poem called the friend who never leaves and it's about sorrow and the lines within it just kind of came to me one day. And it always seems to be the theme. When you read one of my poems, that's got like a repetitive line or a repetitive structure to it. It means that that was the beat that was in my head. And at the time I thought I'd have to get this down on paper with erotic hair. It tends to be something that someone said or something that someone's done. And I'm like, yeah, I want to embellish on this and tell this story because it would be kind of cool. And then journal entries. A lot of them have been assignments that were given to me. I was asked a direct question at the time and I hadn't written down the answer. So I thought, okay, I better write this down. Cause someone's going to ask me again one day and I have a terrible memory, but sometimes it's just, I'm overwhelmed by an emotion. And that is my way to express it.

Lady Petra:

Do you feel at times, cause I hear authors talk about this there, it's almost like they're being fed the words like it's pouring out of them versus, okay. What should I think of to say next or what should I construct next? I'm sure there's always those moments. But are, have you ever had the moments where your it's just pouring out of you? You can't write fast enough. In other words, it's the story's already written. It's just coming out of you.

Diaval Diablo:

I have, there's a series that I wrote many stories within and it's a series about a pet, like a human pet and had a master. And it's all based on truth and inspired by one very, very strong news. And it's a blend of journal entries in real life, like actual hundred and in a diary journal entries and just my awakening and I have, Oh gosh, I don't even know how many pages of hand written journal entries about this, this person and our relationship. And it got to the point where I was writing in the book and I was typing online and I was typing in personal documents and it still wasn't coming out fast enough. There's still so much that could be written about that.

SafferMaster:

Interesting.

Lady Petra:

It's fascinating.

SafferMaster:

So now you identify as a dom, is that correct?

Diaval Diablo:

It's not correct. I actually don't identify, I am undecided and have been undecided since I started on FetLife five years ago because I don't fit into a role very well. Now, most people would say that makes me a switch, but I would disagree with them. My drives and motivations and what gets me revved up on what I would call standard. So it's difficult for me to find a space to be in that is strong enough for me to apply a role to it. However, in recent months or yeah, probably maybe a year now, I've had a lot of people that have told me. I come across as quite a dominant personality and it's really weird because I have this one person who he, he has to have that switchy side, but overall he's the one in control. And then I've had other people that have been purely in control. And to me I've never acknowledged this dominant side, but I go to events and things and I have people sit that that just are there because of me and I'm not doing anything and I don't know, is it? And it's other people have to point out to me. So I don't identify as one, but maybe I am is the short answer.

SafferMaster:

Well, you did tell me that your thighs are submissive to you. So Let's talk about an Eagle. So first of all, sort of give us an overview of needle play. And then let's talk specifically about the sorts of things you have to be concerned about. And then beyond that, the experience that you have in interacting with needles, both as somebody being muddled and as somebody doing needles.

Diaval Diablo:

Oh goodness. Okay. So needle play, I suppose it applies differently to different people. The reasons that you might be doing it are individual to each individual. You will have needle bottoms that obviously would quite broadly fall into the masochist role. And so they enjoy the pain side of things or they enjoy the catharsis that comes with it. And then you have the needle tops that might enjoy applying the pressure of the needle, or they might enjoy crafting the image. I am much more driven by craft in the image. So my process, I don't know how it is compared to all the people. I know they're all key needle players that I've come across that do intricate designs. Those are the ones that I'm drawn to more than anything.

SafferMaster:

Okay. So what gauge needles are you using?

Diaval Diablo:

I use, Oh my gosh. Anything between, I think 18 and 26 or I might have a few`30's.

SafferMaster:

Okay, good. And then talk about the process of inserting a needle. So what do you have to be concerned about how do you do it correctly to get the pattern that you're looking for? For instance?

Diaval Diablo:

So a good example would be the star that I did. It was a very popular image that I loaded with that I actually designed all of my pieces initially on the computer or like pen and paper. So I'll think of the design that I want and I will draft out and then I'll use needles to actually pin it on the paper. And so I put the needle through where it's going to go in my skin and then I use an ink pen to draw those dots on my skin. And then I have a template on my skin ready to go. Um, and I have the piece of paper next to me. So I've got a reference point because let me tell you, as soon as you start putting needles in, you get very distracted as to what's an in hole and what's an out hole. And so once I get started, I'll pick what are the key points that I need to achieve? So with the star, it was what is the, the points of the star and then what are the opposite points of the star? So the points where it goes in the most, and then it was what's the halfway point between each of those needles. And then what's the halfway between, between each of those and so on and so forth.

Lady Petra:

I see. And when you place a needle, you're building the image by the skin that you raise between the end point and the outline is that correct?

Diaval Diablo:

Most of mine tend to be that way. Yeah, I did one. That was a heart. That was the opposite. So the image was where the needles came out with my skin, but that for whatever reason, my brain gets a bit confused by that in conduit quite as well, needs more practice.

SafferMaster:

And so how much skin do you pinch and what are you trying to puncture with the needle? So you obviously, you don't want to go into the subcutaneous tissue. You want to just pick the skin up and poke the needle through the pinch, is that correct?

Diaval Diablo:

Yeah. So I've seen some people that tend to pinch quite a lot of skin and then aim the needle within that pinch for me, I, I placed the needles flat. I'm quite lucky that I lost a lot of weight. So I have, I have not access skin pliable skin. So I placed the needle flat against my thigh. And then I kind of nudge the skin up against the needle so that it creates its own little list of skin. And that is how deep I'll put the needles in, starts getting a bit crowded eventually. And it's a bit more difficult, but I've got points of reference then for how deep to go. And I'm the first to admit that there are several of my pitches where I can see where the needle has gone too deeply. And I can see where the needle has been too as well. But it's, as you go in, you reach a point where you don't feel it quite the same anymore. I'd say you're having to pay such an amount of attention that you are going to not make mistakes, but think, Oh, I could have done that differently. I could have done it a little bit more shallow or it could have done it a little bit more deeply and raised a bit more skin. And once you've done it, it's difficult to correct it because you start bleeding.

Lady Petra:

I'm taking because the way your method is, it sounds very much like when I'm actually sewing and I'm actually laying a pattern on fabric and the way you pin fabric is very much the way you're speaking in order to, you know, in order to get the pin fabric correctly, you have to get the needle inserted in and then you kind of lift the fabric or the skin, and then you can follow that line all the way to the out point, the same way. So that totally makes sense to me. What I think would be helpful too. Cause there's newbies listening to this too, is how do you prep your area? Where do you buy your needles? How do you prep the skin? How do you then take them out as well as how long can they stay in? And then how do you deal with the skin afterwards?

Diaval Diablo:

So I get my needles from a supplier that's actually on FetLife. There are some really good reputable needle suppliers on their medical place. Suppliers. My recommendation would be to go and visit some of the needle groups and ask the question if you're not sure. And a lot of the reputable guys are in those groups. Um, that's how I happened upon mine. And also Instagram is a really good place to find reputable ones, which sounds really strange, but I I've, I've, I've found, uh, some suppliers on Instagram. To prep the area I tend to put on a playlist. I have a specific list that makes no sense whatsoever to new play, but that's my playlist for when I'm doing it. And I will make sure it's a clean space. I'll make sure I put on my comfortable shorts or whatever, because most of my designs end up being on my thighs and I will have my alcohol wipes. I will have my goals. Swabs I'll have kitchen roll. I'll have as many of the needles as I need, plus a couple of backups ready and split off because when they come, they tend to come in a pack of 10 and they're all perforated and rip them off as you need them. I'll separate them already just because it's quicker. Um, I have the ink pen in case I need it. I have my shop's box, the bin, and I have like a yellow biohazard waste bag if you will, if I need it. And then what else do I have? I always have a cup of coffee with me, ready to drink on a bottle of water, ready to drink. And that's about it. Make sure that the space is well lit, make sure that everything's tidy, make sure that everything is within reach. Um, try and keep all of your unused stuff on one side, whichever is your dominant side. So mine in my case is my right side. All of my needles, ready to be used. All of my wipes ready to be used are on the side. Anything that I have used is on the left, along with the bin that I put all the paper from the needle packs, because there's so much paper,

Lady Petra:

I see the different colors of the head of the needle or are the color of the heads of the needles, the different sizes it does that refer to gauge. So the, uh, the hub as it's known is colored according to the gauge.

Diaval Diablo:

So how thick the needle is, for example, you'll have an orange one, but you might be able to get that in one inch or two inch or five eighths of an inch. And that doesn't change the color. Only the thickness of the needle is reflected by the color

SafferMaster:

And what length needles are. You're generally using?

Diaval Diablo:

I like using one and a half inch needles because it gives me a bigger space to play with. It means that I can hop in the, or go in and out of my skin more times, cause it's longer. However, one of my favorite designs was the Capricorn design and that was done using, I think they were five eights of an inch or maybe a half an inch needle. And so they were really small, but it meant that I could put them on both sides of the design and make it really stand out. Yeah.

Lady Petra:

The other question I have, and this may not be pertinent to you because you're meeting your own lag. But when I use needles with a submissive in the past, what she told me was the experience of being needled, created sub space for her in a way that was new and interesting and different than when we ate and other sorts of DS play. So what's your experience with that?

Diaval Diablo:

The first time I did it, I was excited. I had the adrenaline rush and I was, I was just so in awe of myself and my ability to actually sit there and put all these needles in, because my first design, I didn't just start with like two or three needles. I went balls to the wall. I use 24 in one go and it was a really symmetrical design. And I was just so thrilled that I've managed to do it, that I suppose it was akin to subspace, but for full disclosure, I've never experienced subspace. So I wouldn't be able to tell you if that's what it was. I've never experienced what I believe would be subspace.

SafferMaster:

Have you ever done needles on the needle bottom?

Diaval Diablo:

No, not yet. Uh, and sadly COVID kind of gets in the way of me even trying at the moment.

SafferMaster:

It does.

Lady Petra:

well with COVID. Have you gotten more into needles?

Diaval Diablo:

No, COVID has made me lazy in every way. Imaginable genuinely. I've done one needle design, but it's been h ard c ause I live at home with my m om and she runs a bar. So normally we pass like ships in the night. I w ork during the day, during the week and she works in the evenings and a t the weekend. So we don't cross over that much. And so I would have whole evening free to sit and do money to play. C ause you know, it's her baby and she's a bit squeamish about seeing me bleeding. So with her being at home because she's been furloughed as well, I've had no time to myself, really to sit and do the needles. And this one design I had, I was like, look, I'm really sorry a bout please can I do needles? And she's like, you can feel free. And then sat there and was like, you're bleeding a lot. I s i t g oing to bleed that much? And I'm like, t his really, this isn't bleeding that much believe me. And so that was the point where I was like, yeah, n o, I probably shouldn't do this while she sat there watching.

SafferMaster:

Gotcha.

Lady Petra:

Yeah. So that brings me to, so there you're bleeding. Do you just dab it up as you go and it generally just stops as you go from wherever it was bleeding first it's like the initial puncture kind of thing.

Diaval Diablo:

So I've never bled before I've finished the design. I've had like some of the needle hoods might get a bit of blood in them. If I've taken too long, getting it through. Cause sometimes they hurt and you feel like you have to stop and shout some really dirty language out, but it's never bled whilst the needles are in. It's only when I take the needles out that I start bleeding and it's really weird because I can never, ever gauge what is going to be a bleeder and what isn't, I've had some designs that haven't bled at all. And some puncture holes that have bled only on one side and not the other side. And I've had some that have just carried on bleeding for ages, but it's not, it's not like pouring out. It's just it's persistant.

Lady Petra:

Yea you do hit the superficial capillaries So the chances of you hitting t he c apital a lready are pretty small, but if you hit one, t he chances of bleeding aggressively is pretty low. Well, and so then, because y ou brought up the star one and I'll look for that as a reference point, you know, to include with this podcast. So star one, obviously you have to get set up. I get you. I get way before you start, you've created t his design, but let's say you're ready to go. Now we're going to start actually needling. You're already templated and everything. How long is t he, did the star take to finish an

Diaval Diablo:

Hour to an hour and a half.

Lady Petra:

Okay. And then do you leave it in so long?

Diaval Diablo:

I leave it in for quite some time as I leave it to kind of swell up a little bit because obviously you've got skin trauma, so your skin all swell up just that little bit and it makes it pop that little bit more for the pictures. So I'll leave it to swell up a bit and I'll take some pictures, I'll edit the pictures and I just leave it there because it's a nice feeling you feel accomplished and you feel warm and you can run your hand over if you want that little bit more of a thrill from, you know, our stings a bit. But also I really enjoy walking around with them because it's, it's almost like a badge of honor that I'm wearing at that point in time. So I've taken hits before and felt that when I'm walking and it's the same thing, but I feel more proud of it because I did it to myself, which probably sounds really egotistical, but I've done that. I've, I've enjoyed that. And I created that. It's, it's a pride statement. So I leave it in for as long as I can.

Lady Petra:

And then the process of removing them, you just remove them kind of like the way you entered, you put them in because I see some of your designs, the needles are overlapping. And so I think of pickup sticks, always like, where am I going to start remove these? And if you're heady, you know, if you have your design there, you know where you're starting, where you're ending, do you go, just go backwards?

Diaval Diablo:

Um, sometimes yeah, actually with the star, I started at the, the points again with the longest needles, took those out first because they'd been in the longest. So they kind of start drying out a bit and they get a bit more difficult to pull out. Um, and I done the star in two phases because I started it and then I realized it wasn't enough needles. And so I put a lot of more needles in c ause I w as like, this isn't good enough. You can't tell it's a star I need to carry on. So I take out whatever the first ones were, u m, b ecause I tend to work in colors. It usually ends up being a specific colleague t hat's pulled out first or just wherever the design started a nd on that, follow it around.

Lady Petra:

Of course, then there's clean up and you've used an area. Let's say it's the top of your thigh or side of your thigh. How frequently can you needle in the same area? Do you, or do you give a break there? And then, and I don't even know how often you're needling. I'm just saying, do you have to worry about an area you've needled to not play in that area again for some time I know they're small, but you know,

Diaval Diablo:

They are, but they bruise. So when I have taken a design out, I tend to try and aim to do a design aa monthand I'll switch between which thigh I do that design on. If I haven't done one for a while that I go all out and I'll do both sides at once, which was my, not my most recent one, but the one before that I'd had a gap. So I did both s ides at the same time. So it will take a couple of days for the, I swapped the blood to make sure it's all dried out. I don't wet it. U h, I don't wipe it with anything where I just hold the gauze over it until it stems the bleed a nd t hen o ff. And then I'll just let it scab. And t here a re tiny scopes. You can feel them, but they're tiny. It's k ind o f like s have a nd rash really. And then over the next couple of days, depending on how deep it's been or how much of t he bleeder it's been, it'll start to discolor a bit. Sometimes it will go a little bit blue on the edges. U m, but for the most part, it's wonderful yellow, which, Oh my goodness. And i t'll actually hold the shape that I made in the bruise. So the star one, I had a yellow star on my t high. I f eel l ike

Lady Petra:

That's what I was going to ask you is if it left bruises, like the image that you had.

Diaval Diablo:

Yes, it does. So I've had the flower and the small flower that I did that left a flower shape. Um, the star was a star shape and the unicursal hexagram any of the ones that are writing, you can see the, what word was because of the puncture wounds, but the bruising kind of just tends to be a rectangle. So you can't make out.

SafferMaster:

Fascinating

Lady Petra:

It's very fascinating. I mean, you know, there was one that I can't even remember. It was a circle, but the needles were really overlapping. And that's what made me think about like, how do you decide which needle to remove? And then I saw the ones where you wrote your name and you know, it's a picture. So I'm, it's hard for me to have perspective as much. I do see your legs. So I have perspective that a leg is usually about this big, but I mean, how big were those needles in order to do your name? Because there was quite a bit of skin lifted on certain letters on some of them, or did you just use different length ones for different parts?

Diaval Diablo:

So all of the black needles were an inch and a half long to give me the height that I needed for you to be able to see what the letter was really. And then the pinkish purple ones, they were just an inch. And that was just to make a point in the middle of it made a space, if you will, because if I'd have done it all in black, it would have been undiscernible

Lady Petra:

The letters look Large. I mean,

SafferMaster:

You have to go from each side of the letter to lift the letter up?

Lady Petra:

Top and bottom, because what you have was your leg, was your name was written linked to wise on your leg and you had needles on both sides. And I felt like there must have been two needles coming together or something crossing because some of your letters look huge.

Diaval Diablo:

So they are approximately three and a half millimeters apart on one side. So any that are on the right side are approximately three and a half millimeters apart. And then the ones on the opposite side are halfway between that roughly give or take. Cause I'm not very neat sometimes, but yeah, I use a needle going in each direction because you can't put enough needles together because of the size of the hubb. So if you go the opposite way, you get that, that in between point that lift it up more. Got it,

Lady Petra:

Got it.

SafferMaster:

You're actually right meter on your leg with needles. And I ride on paper with them.

Diaval Diablo:

Yeah.

Lady Petra:

And I saw one picture where you were in the process of needling and I could see your little, I dunno what you're using ink point, like a dot where you would have an insertion point. And so all of this brings me to the idea of when they tag, when people are tattooed, they usually use like a underarm deodorant on the skin and then they put those neurotics coffee on the skin, which then transfers the imprint is the hearing. You don't do that. You lay it across your skin and then Pope to create the dot. That sounds super time consuming.

Diaval Diablo:

It is. But it's all part of the experience for me. I like that. I get to spend so much time in it because I don't do like play or scenes or anything like that. So this is my, this is my alone time with my kink, if you will, because it is all just about me.

SafferMaster:

Makes sense

Lady Petra:

Sense because it is your scene. You know what I mean?

Diaval Diablo:

Yeah. Yeah.

SafferMaster:

I love it. All right. Well, is there anything else that we should have asked you about needles that we haven't?

Diaval Diablo:

Oh my goodness. Probably, but this is like my first time I've ever been asked. So I'm a little bit shy.

Lady Petra:

You're doing great.

SafferMaster:

You don't sound shy to me at all.

Diaval Diablo:

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

Lady Petra:

Okay. Well, you know, I think that's probably a good place to stop for this conversation. We'll love to have you back and talk about some other things you're interested in. I'd definitely like to have you back on poetry stuff. We have to go like p erv your poetry, find something. Thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. That's it for today. If you're interested in relationship coaching, online domination, or if you'd like to sponsor the pod to keep it going, please visit our Patrion website at lady Petra playground. You can reach me via email@ladypetraplaygroundatgmail.com. Our music is composed and performed by Roger Ferguson can be found@rogerfergusonmusic.com t ill next time. Cheers.