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Thank you"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1154.05,"endTime":1156.93,"body":"for joining us today. Please"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1156.93,"endTime":1158.79,"body":"remember that we do not"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1156.93,"endTime":1158.79,"body":"represent the Church of Jesus"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1158.79,"endTime":1161.79,"body":"Christ of Latter-day Saints or"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1158.79,"endTime":1161.79,"body":"Brigham Young University. 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And I hope that your"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1206.02,"endTime":1211.06,"body":"listeners will investigate that"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1206.02,"endTime":1211.06,"body":"opportunity and turn to Mormons"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1211.06,"endTime":1214.06,"body":"Building Bridges if that's a"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1211.06,"endTime":1214.06,"body":"good place for them. I'd also"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1214.06,"endTime":1218.89,"body":"like to announce the arrival of"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1214.06,"endTime":1218.89,"body":"a new organization that we call"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1218.92,"endTime":1226.66,"body":"\"Emmaus\". This organization's"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1218.92,"endTime":1226.66,"body":"mission is to minister to LGBTQ"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1226.66,"endTime":1230.29,"body":"people and their families in and"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1226.66,"endTime":1230.29,"body":"adjacent to the Church of Jesus"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1230.29,"endTime":1235.87,"body":"Christ of Latter-day Saints."},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1230.29,"endTime":1235.87,"body":"We're working for circles of"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1235.87,"endTime":1240.91,"body":"support for LGBTQ people in"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1235.87,"endTime":1240.91,"body":"every Ward and Stake. And I"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1240.91,"endTime":1244.45,"body":"encourage your listeners to go"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1240.91,"endTime":1244.45,"body":"to our Facebook group \"Emmaus"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1244.45,"endTime":1248.56,"body":"LGBTQ ministry,\" if they are"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1244.45,"endTime":1248.56,"body":"interested. So I hope you"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1248.56,"endTime":1253.24,"body":"enjoyed the podcast. And thanks"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1248.56,"endTime":1253.24,"body":"again, Ben and Charlie for"},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1253.24,"endTime":1256.33,"body":"everything that you're doing."},{"speaker":"Erika","startTime":1253.24,"endTime":1256.33,"body":"God be with you. Take care"}]}