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If you have enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1883.54,"endTime":1886.18,"body":"this or other episodes, please"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1883.54,"endTime":1886.18,"body":"consider leaving us a podcast"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1886.18,"endTime":1889.33,"body":"review. And as always, please"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1886.18,"endTime":1889.33,"body":"remember that we do not"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1889.33,"endTime":1891.91,"body":"represent the Church of Jesus"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1889.33,"endTime":1891.91,"body":"Christ of Latter-day Saints or"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":1891.91,"endTime":1894.91,"body":"Brigham Young University. 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