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It's been"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2495.98,"endTime":2498.83,"body":"such a pleasure to have you on."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2495.98,"endTime":2498.83,"body":"And I've admired you from afar"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2498.83,"endTime":2501.47,"body":"for a long time so it's great,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2498.83,"endTime":2501.47,"body":"I'm grateful to have some more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2501.47,"endTime":2502.46,"body":"time to chat and hang out."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2502.55,"endTime":2505.64,"body":"Well, likewise, Ben Schilary."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2502.55,"endTime":2505.64,"body":"I'm a fangirl, both of you. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2505.67,"endTime":2509.33,"body":"it's an honor to be here and and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2505.67,"endTime":2509.33,"body":"just an honor to be part of this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2509.33,"endTime":2511.4,"body":"conversation. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2512.15,"endTime":2514.7,"body":"Thank you for joining us today."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2512.15,"endTime":2514.7,"body":"If you have enjoyed this or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2514.7,"endTime":2518.09,"body":"other episodes, please consider"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2514.7,"endTime":2518.09,"body":"leaving us a podcast review. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2518.09,"endTime":2520.64,"body":"as always, please remember that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2518.09,"endTime":2520.64,"body":"we do not represent the Church"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2520.64,"endTime":2522.89,"body":"of Jesus Christ of Latter-day"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2520.64,"endTime":2522.89,"body":"Saints or Brigham Young"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2522.89,"endTime":2525.86,"body":"University. 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If you would"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2532.61,"endTime":2535.28,"body":"like to submit a question or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2535.28,"endTime":2538.67,"body":"share a comment about today's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2535.28,"endTime":2538.67,"body":"episode, you can email us at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2538.67,"endTime":2540.53,"body":"questionsfromthecloset@gmail.com."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2538.67,"endTime":2540.53,"body":"Until next time."}]}