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And if you want to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2000.87,"endTime":2004.8,"body":"join in the building of Zion"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2000.87,"endTime":2004.8,"body":"join that too. If you have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2004.8,"endTime":2006.93,"body":"enjoyed this or other episodes,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2004.8,"endTime":2006.93,"body":"please consider leaving a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2006.93,"endTime":2008.94,"body":"review. And as always, please"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2006.93,"endTime":2008.94,"body":"remember that we do not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2008.94,"endTime":2010.89,"body":"represent the Church of Jesus"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2008.94,"endTime":2010.89,"body":"Christ of Latter-day Saints or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2010.89,"endTime":2013.5,"body":"Brigham Young University. 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If you would like"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":2021.82,"endTime":2024.52,"body":"to submit a question or share a"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":2021.82,"endTime":2024.52,"body":"comment about today's episode,"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":2024.7,"endTime":2027.22,"body":"you can email us at"},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":2024.7,"endTime":2027.22,"body":"questionsfromthecloset@gmail.com."},{"speaker":"Charlie","startTime":2027.97,"endTime":2028.75,"body":"Until next time."}]}