Ep #252: Freedom or Security? The Battle for Liberty in Modern Society with Sherriff Richard Mack

In this week’s episode I interview retired Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack a man who has spent decades fighting for individual liberty constitutional government and the protection of God-given rights. Richard became the first sheriff in American history to successfully sue the US federal government in a landmark Supreme Court case against the Clinton Administration over unconstitutional gun control laws. Our conversation explores freedom liberty constitutional rights and the growing dangers of governments trading away freedoms in the name of security. 

Richard shares his concerns about the erosion of constitutional protections in America Australia and around the world. We discuss the importance of teaching constitutional principles to younger generations the role of law enforcement in defending freedoms rather than enforcing unjust laws and why individual liberty is essential to human dignity. Richard also explains the mission of his Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) which educates sheriffs police and citizens about their duty to uphold constitutional rights. 

We also discuss Richard’s latest book “The Democrat Murder of America” his views on the growing influence of socialism and communism and the importance of standing firmly for freedom faith family and personal responsibility. Richard shares insights into his own life including his fifty-one year marriage his role as a grandfather and the importance of setting a strong example for future generations. This is a passionate and thought-provoking conversation about courage freedom and the responsibility each of us has to defend liberty.

For more information visit Richard’s Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association at https://cspoa.org/ and his latest book “The Democrat Murder of America” at https://murderofamerica.com/

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Welcome to this week's Charles Coves show, the interview show. And my guest today is Sheriff Richard Mack, who resides in downtown Arizona. And I think Richard, you're on Pacific Time, aren't you? Because Arizona's on Pacific time, not mountain time, correct?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

That's that's uh that's correct. Uh we're the same as California right now.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Yeah. So I've been I've been to Arizona, I've been to California many times, but I'm in Melbourne, as many viewers and listeners know. So Sheriff Richard Mack is a retired sheriff, and I will give you an introduction about him. Um, but I'm very impressed by his commitment, which I'll tell you about, and we're going to have a conversation that will traverse the law, the proper application of the Constitution, of why Richard Mack has been such a troublemaker to the authorities, and the books that he's written and Richard's vision for America, but also for Australia and for the other countries where he has made a contribution. And I don't have, Richard, and as my as my regular viewers know, I don't have a set format that says this is what we're going to do. Who knows where this conversation will go? And you've you've had thousands of interviews, so you're a very accomplished speaker, and I've been a professional speaker for 33 years, so both of us can talk. So we'll just hopefully we won't talk at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Yeah. So well, thank you so much for having me.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Richard, it's it's it's great to have you, and you've got a lot of work to do. I'm gonna r tell you a bit about pe tell people about your personal history that you served in law enforcement for 20 years with duties including patrol officer, corporal, sergeant, undercover agent, school resource officer, and detective specializing in preventing crimes against children, a matter dear to my heart, and I'll need to remember to tell you about Button Heart Bear, which is a bear that's been developed to shine a light on the horrors of trafficking of children for sex and slavery.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

So it's a it's a big problem as we all as many of us now recognize. And in nineteen eighty-eight, you were elected to the office of sheriff in Graham County, Arizona, where you grew up. You served as sheriff for eight years. In nineteen ninety-three, while serving as sheriff, you graduated from the FBI Academy. You've been married to your wife Dawn for fifty years, you have five children and fifteen grandchildren. Well, that's very commendable. I have five children and only four grandchildren. So between us we have ten children, Richard. Now, your great claim to fame, not just as a mere sheriff. During your tenure as sheriff, you became the first sheriff in American history to sue the federal government, a case that was ultimately combined with motions from other sheriffs into Mac Prince versus the U.S. and was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. The 1994 case against the Clinton administration was regarding provisions of the Brady Bill, a gun control measure that required sheriffs to perform background checks on potential gun buyers. The court ruled that the federal government could not compel state or local officers to enforce federal regulatory programs, and has been hailed as the most powerful Tenth Amendment decision in USA history. You've have a string of awards and achievements. I won't go through the specific awards, um, you've awards for defending the Second Amendment awards, um, you're an elected official of the year award recipient, and you've authored a number of books on subjects such as the proper role of law enforcement, the power of the office of sheriff, gun control, state, states' rights and related issues. You've appeared on a string of media and both in the US and globally, and then you're the founder and president of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. And I really wanted to get in that, so that's the CSPOA. The Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. This organization is dedicated to the restoration of individual liberty, and that's a matter dear to my heart. That's the other reason why why I wanted to have a conversation with you. Individual liberty and the protection of civil rights that are being trashed globally, and has provided hundreds of training seminars to sheriffs, police, and public officials in all 50 states of the US and in several other countries around the world. And we're going to get you to Australia, Richard, with a bit of luck. So welcome, Richard, a man fighting for liberty just like me. Now, I'll give you a difficult question.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Because I don't know the answer to this question. What's the difference in your mind? I don't have an answer to this, by the way. What's the difference in your mind between freedom and liberty? Maybe there's not a difference.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Uh I've studied a few different languages, foreign languages, and as a matter of fact. And in Spanish, there's only one word for freedom and liberty. Libre or libertad. And uh I don't believe there's any difference. I think they're synonymous. I think they've always been synonymous. I know that some uh lawyers try to make it like there's a difference. Freedom is this, and then liberty is that. Um, they're both that. And uh of course, uh individual liberty is it sounds better than individual freedom to me, but it's only because liberty sounds stronger. Uh but I don't believe there's any difference between the words at all. And if if you take Latin, there's only one word for it, and that's where uh Spanish uh derives their terminology. And so I bet if you started looking at the the foreign languages around the world, you'll see some with two, and you'll see some with just one, and I think one is fine. And uh and Espanyol, soy libre. I am free, and that's the way it ought to be for everybody.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Yes, and the proposition that I put to you is or to many in in my programs and and the work I've done for 33 years, without freedom, we are no different to animals. And you know, as a law enforcement officer, you if you put me into a jail, I've taken I lost my freedom, that's the ultimate penalty other than death, okay? Jail. I'm in there have I'm hardly different to an animal.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Yeah. No, there wouldn't there wouldn't be. And um um man exists to be free, and we were born free, and and we were born with innate rights. And you do you know, actually, and this might be leading us where we wanted to go, but uh we're actually born with the right to self-defend. Uh we're we're all born with the right to breathe. We exist with the right from God Almighty to breathe. And then the second to that is the right to control that life. That without and freedom, that's what freedom is. Freedom is the exercise of free will, my free will, except where your rights begin, my rights end, and vice versa. I cannot, I cannot exercise complete liberty if I think I have a right to destroy anything from you that was that you were blessed with when you were born as a as a son of God. And so I can I can swing my fist all day long until it gets too close to you or until it hits you, then I don't have that right. And even getting too close uh is a violation. And so uh the whole thing with the principles of liberty is that governments, and this is a quote from our declaration of independence that that to secure these rights, governments are established among men. And so this this is that belongs to people from Australia and it belongs to people from Uganda and Chad and Canada and Tahiti and Fiji, and that in fact, those are the two places I've been that are the closest to Australia, and I think Fiji's the closest. But I've been to Fiji and I've been to Tahiti, but I've never been to Australia. I really want to come there someday. And but the the principles of liberty are supposed to happen in uh Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and I don't care, Turkey, Greece, it doesn't matter. The governments are supposed to exist to protect our God-given liberty. And it really bothers me that there's actual actual governments in the world today that don't believe that. And that is the change I want to help bring about throughout the world. But we got to start here in America.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

And that's that's entirely correct, and the same in Australia, because the explosion of laws that govern what we can do, Richard, are extraordinary. And this this taking away of freedom, the data that I have seen, and I'm wondering whether you have seen similar, that in America, the land of the free, the home of the brave, in Australia, in the UK, most people would trade away their freedom for security. On a vote, you when you give people a choice, do you want security or do you want freedom?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

You and I wouldn't, but most people a majority of people would choose security.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

I I I am not willing to surrender any of my rights uh for security or or or for national equality of stuff. Okay? And and freedom freedom was never intended to be that we all have equal stuff. That's absurd. And and uh free will comes in there. That there comes free will. If I want to be a teacher, I can be a teacher. If I want to be a cop, I can be a cop. If I want to work on uh uh the economy or finances, if I want to be a financial advisor and work for a big Wall Street company, I can do that. If I want to start my own business, just like Bezos did, uh or uh Elon Musk or whoever, I don't care. I have the right to pursue any of that. Uh and that's that's just that's just how it is. But socialism and communism that want to force, force at the point of a gun, equality, it has never been freedom, and none of that actually helped America become the greatest country in the world. We did not, we did not become the most prosperous and free country in the world because of socialism or communism. In fact, we fought at least four wars and two world wars and the cold war to stop communism. And and so the only other one I would put that I complain about Australia quite a bit is that uh you think that the governments there think that it's okay to take away personal property and the right and power to self-defend. And we are born with that. And governments thinking that they have the authority to somehow take that away from us in the name of safety or dash or security is just so absurd. Uh it's beyond it's beyond uh rational thinking. And and so I and look, I'm not a big gun guy. I've I've never been hunting in my life. And I didn't even own a gun until I was elected sheriff in 1988. I was a cop for almost 12 years before that, as you mentioned. I was a school resource officer and a detective and sergeant and undercover narcotics. But uh those were the guns I had then were all department issue, and I had to return those when I left there to run for sheriff in Arizona. So I got elected and I I bought my first gun in 1988, uh, and I was like 34 years old. And and folks, the thing that guns mean to me is freedom. I am a free man, I'm not a slave, and I can determine what kind of gun I own, how many guns I own, and how much ammunition I have. That's up to me, not the government.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

So, Richard, what's you've got 15 grandchildren. What's what why has this happened that Americans and Australians would choose security over freedom? And what are you gonna do? What's your sense of what you and I need to do for our grandchildren to get them to understand why freedom's so important? That s because as as I said earlier, if I put someone into jail, they're secure. You know, you've got security, but food, clothing, shelter. Yeah, right, but you're you're certainly not free. But there you are. And I I say that to people is that would you trade away your freedom to be in a jail? It's a crazy idea.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

So I've run a jail before, and I guarantee you you don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

So so what's what's your thinking around you know, teaching children and grandchildren these such these crucial principles of freedom because I don't know anybody who likes being told what to do. Interestingly, I don't think people make this link between between freedom, yeah. Well, I don't you dare tell me what to do, but I will still give away my freedom for security.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, I uh uh I don't get people like that, but some people do like that. Um they they want somebody else to run their life. And in the Matrix, I think it was Matrix 3, it talked about that. People want the security of being told what to do. Uh and they don't want to control their own lives, and I guess they don't trust themselves. I don't know. But good, bad, or indifferent, I want government to stay out of my life. I want to run my own family, I want to I want to help raise my grandchildren. And certainly I don't want government to assume that role ever. Uh and and our government, according to the Constitution, has a very limited role in our lives. But they have stolen, our government has stolen and usurped many powers that were not constitutionally ordained or established or delegated, and they can only do that which the American people have the authority to delegate to them in America, and I believe this should be worldwide, that we the people, the first three words of our constitution, we the people, we bestow and delegate all political power and authority. We cannot delegate a power to our government or authority to our government that we ourselves do not have.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Very good.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

How do we how do we delegate the power to our sheriff uh to wear a gun, to wear a gun uh and to enforce the laws? Well, we the people have that uh collectively, we have that, and individually, in some cases, we have that. I have a right to protect me and my family. I choose the methodology for that. If someone else chooses that for me, then I'm not free. And so uh we have really missed out on that in America. Uh the Democrats believe that the Second Amendment means exactly the opposite of what it says. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Well, I I left out the first part. A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. Well, then you have to look up the the the term of the uh the definition of a uh militia. And that's real easy to find because in America the militia are the people themselves and consist of all people that uh that well in in um United States Code 10, it says all Americans 17 to 45 uh consist of the militia. So if they can't own a gun, we would have no militia. And militia is mentioned five times in our constitution, and it's the people. And so uh there's no contradiction in the Second Amendment. Militia isn't talking about the army. In Article 1, Section 8, the army and uh the militia are mentioned separately in our Constitution. So now people, I tell you, people need to study our our Constitution because it is enough and it's the only laws we really need uh in this country or throughout the world.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Freedom of religion is is the key one. Let's take that line. People need to study the Constitution. Now, when you were a kid, and by the way, I'm older than you, just so that I've done the math, you were born in 1954. No, fifty fifty-two. Oh, very good. So I was born in fifty-two, so we're born in the same year.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

You're a little bit older because I was born at uh in December, so you have to be a little bit older.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

That's right. I was I was I'm two months older than you, so respect your elders.

unknown 19:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Now the need to study the constitution, just look at this as a s as a strategy because where I'm where I'm heading is with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, I'm really quite interested in in spreading the word here in Australia, but most people in Australi in Australia, in the UK and America, the teaching of the Constitution and our legal structures has been taken out of schools. It certainly has been in Australia. What about in America?

SPEAKER_00 20:23

Uh yeah, they don't uh in Arizona they passed a law that said that you have to display the constitution in every classroom, but that doesn't mean you have to teach it. And uh the curriculum in the school I used to teach at was a charter school, and and I thought they did a pretty good job of of presenting the Constitution, but I used to teach the Constitution also. Um but I want to make sure that my my children, because most most schools and colleges and universities in Arizona, in America, do not teach the Constitution. And and their very radical beliefs of wokeism and liberalism and leftism. Uh, they don't teach the Constitution. They subvert the Constitution.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

That's correct.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

And Abraham Lincoln said that that uh we the people are the rightful owners of the courts and and uh Congress. Uh not to not to uh subvert the Constitution, but to overthrow those who subvert the Constitution. And it's uh we're the we're the ones in charge. And the Declaration of Independence says that we we, when any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, the people have the right and the responsibility, the duty, it says, to throw off such government and establish new guards. And that's not just because we vote. And look, I pray that that will always remain peaceful. And and I believe more. More than anything, that the CSPOA, CSPOA.org, our Constitutional Sheriff and Peace Officer Association, is one of the very few peaceful and effective solutions that we have left in the world, uh, especially in America. But this is a peaceful and effective solution for all people to generate movement for liberty and especially individual liberty. And my question is this to every sheriff and peace officer and deputy or and regulatory anywhere in the world, especially Australia and America, because that's where we're talking right now. If government establishes or promulgates legislation that clearly violates the rights of the people, like trying to enforce um laws against freedom of speech, and they've done this in England, and I I'm pretty sure they've done it in Australia because they've done it here too. The peace officer would be required to defend the right of the people instead of enforcing a stupid statute. And that's the point that we try to make at CSPOA because individual liberty supersedes any legislation that can be made by man by man. And so that's where we're at uh as a as a people. And I really think uh that we need to come together as people and as governments and and realize what our role is as government officials, and it's to protect the rights of the people, it's to protect the civil rights, the God-given rights of all people, all nationalities, all races, all religions. It doesn't matter. There are no exemptions to that.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

So, Richard, what are the what are the what are the resources that are available on the CSPOA websites?

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Well, uh one, it has a six-hour class that I do, and all my books are there as well. Uh, in fact, this book everyone should get. Uh everyone should get all my books. And I've just released a new book that I really want to talk to you about, too. Uh, it's called The Democrat Murder of America.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

Ah, very good.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

But this, folks, this is a book. Look, this is really small. It fits in my shirt pocket. Okay.

unknown 24:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

But it's very short, it's very thin. Uh, you can get three of these for five bucks. Look, the shipping's going to be triple to Australia, but you can get a few of these and we can get them to you, no problem. We I've sent these to Germany, I've sent them to England, I've sent them to Ireland, I've sent them to Canada, and and so you can still get these. But this case, look at the title and look at it has all the flags of the United States on it because it's about state sovereignty.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Yep. And it's an important, it's an it's uh, I just uh uh tell people this is an important principle of state versus federal. The states, just like the people gave the states their constitution, then the states give certain rights to the federal body, like in Australia, same model, but the state, the the all of the rights stay with the state, and they've given some rights to the federal, correct?

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah, and uh like it says in the United States form of government, the federal government, and so and it reinforces this in my case. Uh Justice Calia wrote this. The states only have discrete and enumerated powers. Enumerated, that's key to all this. They can be numbered. You can number if you can if you have enumerated powers, you can number. Go through the Constitution and number them. And for the federal government, it's barely 40. They barely have 40. Some say it's right under 40. But it's it's it's not thousands that they've stolen. And of course, they've stolen and usurped the authority to pass gun control laws. The federal government has no authority whatsoever to pass a single gun control law. Maybe the states do to try to keep guns away from uh violent felons. But even they still do can a state violate the U.S. Constitution and specifically the Bill of Rights? And I don't believe they can. Everything's kind of condensed on that particular uh law, the supreme law of the land. And then from there they can branch out. But uh gun control is uh the states and the federal government have very little authority to do any gun control. As a matter of fact, I wrote a book uh also on that that says plainly that gun control in the United States of America is against the law. Is against the law. And now Samuel Adams said one condition the right of the people to keep and bear arms who have proved to be peaceable citizens, their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. And I and I I'll go along with that. Because once you've proven that you will that you will commit crimes with your gun, then I believe government has a right to keep that away from you. So, but other than that, there is no gun control laws that are constitutional, and we have over 20,000 gun control laws in America. 20,000? 20,000. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

So tell me about your latest.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

So when you take state, local, and federal.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Yes. So your that book, um, we will get that into Australia. I think that's a great idea. So tell me about your latest book.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

Well, as I said earlier, it's um The Democrat Murder of America. Demagoguery in the first degree. And and the reason that my co-author and I wanted to get this going, I didn't even know him until six months ago. But he had me on his podcast and he asked me if I wrote books, and I said yes. And he said, I want to send you a Zoom link right after this and have you show me some of your books. After I showed him the books, he said, I want to write a book with you. And I said, Okay, and he told me what it's about, that Democrats are trying to destroy America, and that they come they lie, cheat, steal, commit fraud, uh, election fraud, and they bring all these criminals into our country from around the world, including terrorists and cartels and human traffickers and pedophiles and fentanyl dealers. And our party brought all those people in here. And now they say they want them all to vote, and they want them all not to have to prove any uh citizenship, or it doesn't matter if they're citizens, and it doesn't matter if they have identification. And they can register to vote the day of the election and then vote right then and there without any identification. You can register and vote, and we don't have the right to know who you are. That's how that's how stupid and crazy and insane the Democrat Party has gotten. And guess who's joined them in all of that? The national media. And so I I'm so fed up with all of that. I'm fed up with the lies, I'm fed up with the corruption, I'm fed up with the uh fraud, and I'm fed up with them believing it's okay to murder babies in the womb, and now, oh, oh, and then while it's being bored, called partial birth abortion, that's okay too. Oh, and the governor of Virginia said, oh, well, if a baby survives abortion, then we'll keep it comfortable while we kill it. That is murder. And the Democrats don't care. They just keep right on marching.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Richard, same in Australia. Full-term abortions in are now legal in all states, and I call I call termination after 20 weeks murder, unless it's to save the mother's life. It's not abortion, it's murder. Yeah. It is it is a it is a life.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

I I I mine starts at conception. Uh and and I I'm I'm not really a fanatic about that. Like if people want to take uh birth control pills, uh that's fine with me. I don't care. But at conception, I believe the morality of allowing that that uh cellular structure that's going to be a human being in just a few weeks, uh, I believe it is it 15 days or 15 weeks? I can't remember that one, where the heart starts beating. And and especially then, uh, you know, and people I've heard people say that the baby is not a human uh and it's just dead cells or dead, it's dead, completely dead, it's a dead piece of meat. Well, how does a dead piece of meat have a heart that beats? And how does it grow every day? It grows every day for nine months, and so none of that makes any sense to me, but I do know one thing from the scriptures in the New Testament when the angels spoke to Mary, and it said, Mary is great with child, and I believe that baby that has eyes and ears and feelings and can feel pain. I believe what's what was in Mary was a child, and I believe what was in my wife five times was so precious to be next to my wife while she brought that life to fruition and then brought it into the world. And then people say that it's a constitutional right to kill that. I can't, I can't, I'm sorry. That that is beyond demonic.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

We will not argue on that because I'm with you. Now, what's the what's what's behind the Democrat in when you wrote that book, The Democrat Murder of America, and we're looking from other other people looking at what this behavior, this this crazy behavior, what's the game plan? Do you do Democrats want to murder America?

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Yeah, they do. Uh they want to mer uh murder the American dream, and they want to murder freedom, and they want to mur murder free will, and we've got chapters about that. Even even like let's say this way, our third chapter, save our democracy. Well, you see, America's not a democracy. Uh and so they're always talking, even Fox News, save our democracy, and uh we are a constitutional republic. And and Benjamin Franklin told the world that. A republic, if you can keep it. What the founding fathers did uh was come together and create a republic within the foundation and parameters of a God-inspired constitution, and now the Democrats assail God, uh, they assail our Constitution, they want to destroy the Constitution and establish a new system of socialism and communism, and that's what they're doing. And in our Pledge of Allegiance, it even says it in there, and to the republic for which it stands. And so if you don't even know what form of government we have in America, and and then how are you gonna get what the foundation and the basis is for American principles? You're way off when you say when you try to say we need to save our democracy. So chapter three talks about that, and then we have another chapter that talks about the history of the Democrat Party, and murder is saturated in their history.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

So what's the what who's you says that there's that wonderful two-word Latin phrase, qui bono. Who benefits? Who's Well, I do. Hello. Who benefits from the murder of America? What's yeah, uh what's your what's your current I know you don't none of us have a black and white answer on who's driving this because there's some pretty you know, there's some global forces. Um the what what's your sense of who's gonna benefit by the murder of America? Maybe the communists, the Marxists?

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Yeah, well, first of all, yeah, the the agenda, the woke agenda does. And the the people like AOC and uh Hakeem Jeffries and uh Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, uh their agenda, uh oh, and Bernie Sanders, their agenda, they've been pushing this for a long time. They don't get that all of that is contrary to the American dream, to the establishment of the country called the United States of America. And most people don't even get that. The United States are fifty separate different governments that became united to form a central government, but with very limited powers. And the founding fathers' greatest fear was to establish uh a new and another government that would do the same as King George III and Parliament did uh from Great Britain back in the 1700s. They that was their biggest fear, and some states held out quite a bit, New York and Rhode Island specifically. We don't want another one because you guys know sooner or later this government's gonna get out of control and try to control our lives. And because of the the Democrat Party and and the two-party system that Washington warned us against, they're more loyal to their party. Both of them are. More loyal to their party than they are to our country. And that's the biggest problem right there. And what whatever the Democrats do, they all have to go along. And so it's gotten way out of hand when these Democrats go to protest enforcing our immigration laws with ice, and they want they tell the people they actually tell people to take guns to those protests in case they have to shoot an ICE agent. This is how crazy the Democrat Party has gotten.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

And we're getting full coverage of that, Richard, here in Australia and around the world. And your book, can you hold it up, the the Democrat Murder of America?

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Well, uh, it you need to go yeah, everybody needs to go. I've I've just got it online here. It's so far, it's only available on an ebook, and it's available at um murder um wait, murderofamerica.com. Sorry. It's shortened. All one word, murderofamerica.com. And if you go there right now and you can and you can share the screen, all the people can see this horrific front page of the book. And it is horrific.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Okay. Murdofamerica.com, everybody. I'll put that into the show notes. And you can buy the book right now.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

It's 1492 just for the digital form, just the ebook. Yep. And uh, we should have copies of the paperback in about uh ten days.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Well done. Well, congratulations. Now come but come back to this next question, Richard, of your vitality and health. I want you to share the the strategies that you have used to be full of energy and passion, and I love your passion for what you do. Congratulations on having that, as I do. I am Australasia's passion provocateur, and and greatness can only be achieved through passion. Now, there's no black and white answer on what we need to do. You are doing it. You are publishing, you are talking to me, you are sharing these dangers to liberty, you are sharing these dangers to in our inalienable rights that we are born with, and I think that's that's pretty important, you know, the whole question of slavery, but through human history there's been plenty of slavery. Come back to your health now. What are your what are your strategies for being in excellent health? You look like you're in excellent health, I hope you're not.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

Well, I'm uh I'm actually not. I've had I've had two heart attacks. So I hope I don't put it down for anything. I feel great. Even the day uh in 2015, I had a massive heart attack. I didn't I didn't feel like I came even close to dying. I never passed out. But uh folks, I don't know why, uh, because um I've always been very athletic, I've always been very active. Uh in fact, just an hour and a half ago, I went to work out with my wife at the uh at the gym right here. Uh and so uh I feel great, and I will do this as long as the good Lord gives me breath in my body, and I hope to keep doing this for quite a while. Uh, this is what I've been called to do. Uh and uh I love my I love my children, I love my grandchildren, I love my wife, and she and I have been now married 51 years, and we met, we met 52 years ago, this coming July. And uh I've I've been so blessed to have her in my life. Uh I really love being around her. Uh I I love who she is, and I love the support that she's given me these 52 years. Um she and her family were very instrumental in helping me do what I did to sue the Clinton administration. And they taught me the Constitution. They were very constitutional. And it was her mom and dad's idea for us to move home to Arizona when I lived in Utah, and that's where I got my police experience. They were very instrumental in getting me to realize that I needed to come home and run for sheriff. And even though I told them they were crazy, leave me alone, I didn't want to do it. But soon thereafter, we came with the uh message that that is exactly what we were supposed to do. And the miracle happened, I got elected. I hadn't lived there for 12 years, but the miracle happened, and then the miracle of my career happened that I sued the Clinton administration, took it all the way to the United States Supreme Court, and won. And here's the decision. And folks, I put this together, I put all the most important parts of it, and every one of you should get a few of these and pass them around, but make sure you keep one in your home and uh show it to your kids, and and every American should do the same thing. And I pray that someday I'll be able to come there and give my presentation to a group of Aussies that I would love to get to know.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Well, I I will introduce you to the sheriff's community here in Australia, and I'm very interested in and we we might liaise around this as to the organizations that CSPOA, the Constitutional Sheriff's and Peace Officers Association, can have collaborations and linkages.

SPEAKER_00 41:44

And every one of you can join. Every uh every citizen of Australia and every public official, every sheriff, okay, all of you can join, and we invite you to do so.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

My last question, because we've got to go. What do you think is the or no not yes, what is your perspective of the role that you as grandfather and Dawn, your wife as grandmother, play in influencing the the future of your grandchildren? In other words, w the role that you play in the raising of grandchildren. What's your sense of the role of grandparents?

SPEAKER_00 42:23

Um setting a good example and loving them unconditionally and being part of their lives. We so enjoy. We just got back from our grandson's high school graduation in Utah, and we go, we go to all their dances and recitals, and just a couple of weeks ago, my granddaughter Madison was playing the piano at a recital, and it was one of our favorite Disneyland songs, and she said, Hey grandpa, uh, when I play that song, I want you to come up and sing it. And so I sang with my granddaughter while she played the piano. My wife and I want to be involved in their lives, and we want them to know the work that we've done and stood for. Oh, and um where is it? I've got to have this. Ah, I don't think I have one. Ah, I don't have one. It's called the the book that I was trying to find real quickly, I wanted to show it to you. It's called The Proper Role of Law Enforcement. And my picture, back when I was a rookie cop 38 years ago, was on the front cover of that book. And folks, those are all available on my website, cspway.org. But my other granddaughter, Tatum, did a book report on that for her school, for her government class. And she uh asked me to tell her about the book, and I did. And the story of Rosa Parks is in that book, and I'm appalled that back in In nineteen fifty-five, two deputy sheriffs, two deputies arrested her for not giving her seat to a a a white man. And I'm appalled at that. That's the antithesis of freedom. And all of us, those deputies should have escorted her home safely, not escorted her to jail. And that's what we teach. That's what we teach at the CSPOA. All of that is available at our website, our books, our memberships, and uh our corporate sponsors. We ask you to uh uh work with them. I have one right here that's called uh body align, and these are pain patches, and these really work. If you have a headache, you put one right here and on your forehead. If you have uh arthritis, you put it on your knee or your hip, or my wife puts them on her back because she has bad arthritis. But folks, it's all available there, but the main thing that's available on our website is freedom and our books, our tools for freedom. And again, especially that one.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Beautiful. Richard, congratulations. I look forward to having ongoing conversations with you because you are an inspiring story of what each one of us can practically do in the crucial fight for freedom. I congratulate you on your passion. I wish you many decades of work to come, and I just want to share with you the power of belief, and that and anyone watching this that they know, regular viewers and listeners, that what we believe about how long we can go into the future, as you say, God might say we're gonna die tomorrow, but you know, there's a wonderful I'm planning to be around for a long time, and you said you've been, you say you were born in fifty-two, and as of now, you've been married to Dawn for fifty-two years. Well, that fifty-two number plays a big role in my life as well. And I'm a bit older than you, and I'm planning on working for another fifty-two years till I'm 125. And you're showing that one thing, the number of years.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

I'll have to be married to my wife another 50 also.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

That's correct. That would that would be pretty special, wouldn't it, to have a hundred-year marriage. So, Richard, congratulations. Thank you for being with us. And I look I would I look forward to your journey. I will visit the website, everybody, cspoa.org, and the other book, Murder of America, the other website, murderofamerica.com. And may God protect you and your family and continue the good fight for Liberty. And thank you and God bless.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

Thank you.