Cool Kids - Echosmith

This week on 1001 Songs That Make You Want To Die, we put Cool Kids by Echosmith on trial.

A song that was absolutely unavoidable in the 2010s. Radio loved it. Ads loved it. Everyone else slowly lost their mind.

We break down the lyrics, the suspiciously manufactured vibe, the “are they saying cool kids or cookies?” theory, and whether this track was built purely to live forever in commercials. There’s also a deep dive into band lore, questionable industry decisions, and a surprisingly aggressive conclusion to Could You Beat Them In a Fight?

Is Cool Kids harmless indie pop? A focus-grouped radio weapon? Or just another song that overstayed its welcome?

Press play and decide for yourself.

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Transcript

00:37.97
Chibbs
This is 1001 Songs That Make You Want to Die, the podcast where we examine songs that provoke strong reactions and cultural debate.

00:47.64
Mad Dog
Wow.

00:49.94
gav
so what That's what we do, all right?

00:50.13
Bevo
Oh, that's pertinent.

00:50.14
Mad Dog
That's exactly what we do.

00:52.06
Chibbs
This is just going to be the intro line from now on because it is what we do and then we decide whether or not...

00:51.99
gav
That is what we do.

00:52.25
Mad Dog
Yeah.

00:57.59
Chibbs
um

01:00.31
gav
Oh, shit!

01:00.92
Chibbs
and And then we're gonna we get into that.

01:01.05
Mad Dog
Ah!

01:03.08
Chibbs
But not yet. Not yet. Not yet. The segment everyone is talking about will be coming up very soon.

01:08.86
Mad Dog
It is.

01:09.66
Chibbs
But tonight we're doing Cool Kids by Echo Smith.

01:09.87
Mad Dog
Everyone's talking me.

01:09.82
gav
Everyone's talking about it.

01:15.12
Chibbs
Echo Smith.

01:16.84
gav
Smiths?

01:17.76
Bevo
Echo's myth.

01:38.10
Chibbs
Yeah, you get the gist.

01:38.56
Mad Dog
Okay.

01:39.83
Chibbs
yeah um Yeah.

01:39.91
Bevo
pumped up cool kids.

01:40.28
Mad Dog
Yep.

01:42.22
Chibbs
Never would have guessed this is by the band Echo Smith. Everyone's favorite band, Echo Smith.

01:48.95
Mad Dog
Echo. Yeah. Okay.

01:51.32
Chibbs
um Okay, now there were are four...

01:51.96
Bevo
Sounds like, sounds like a, sorry, I'll wait till my turn.

01:56.38
Chibbs
What?

01:57.35
Bevo
I'll wait for my turn.

01:58.81
gav
ah

01:59.03
Chibbs
yeah You can stop bullying them now if you want, Bevo.

01:59.91
Bevo
Yeah.

02:00.86
gav
This is a no-but podcast.

02:03.53
Chibbs
You can stop bullying them now?

02:04.54
gav
we've We've discussed that.

02:05.49
Chibbs
Yes.

02:05.66
gav
We don't yes and hear.

02:08.89
Chibbs
ah

02:11.47
Chibbs
There's four members of Echo Smith, right? So someone is going to have quite the fight on their hands.

02:17.81
Mad Dog
Mmm.

02:17.94
gav
Yeah.

02:22.66
Bevo
So keen.

02:25.62
Chibbs
Okay, I'm going to spin the wheel.

02:27.44
gav
That's a snappy stinger, man.

02:28.02
Chibbs
We're going to spin the wheel and see who...

02:29.16
gav
That's a snappy little stinger.

02:30.85
Bevo
Shall I provide the the spinning wheel sound as usual?

02:33.43
gav
Yeah.

02:33.71
Bevo
Save the thing on the board.

02:34.46
Chibbs
Yeah, go for it.

02:34.31
gav
Yeah.

02:35.18
Chibbs
Yeah, spin, spin away.

02:36.13
Bevo
Here we Here we go.

02:36.26
Chibbs
Go, spinning, spinning, spinning, spinning.

02:41.24
Chibbs
No, it's still spinning.

02:43.83
gav
ah I'm not going lie. I thought you were faking this spin up until this but exact moment.

02:49.05
Chibbs
Oh, no, no, really isn't.

02:49.07
gav
So it's genuinely...

02:50.80
Chibbs
The spin is fucking glitched out, do you? God damn it.

02:54.65
gav
ah um Okay, hang on.

02:55.16
Chibbs
yeah

02:56.83
gav
i can I can... What have we got?

02:58.23
Bevo
Can I do a reverse?

02:58.73
gav
Someone...

03:02.04
gav
ah

03:03.06
Chibbs
Come on. you it

03:06.07
Bevo
Come on.

03:06.07
Chibbs
I blame Dan Southern.

03:08.34
Bevo
ah As I was saying before, Echo Smith sounds like if you were buying Aerosmith from Timu or Aldi.

03:14.30
gav
a

03:14.53
Mad Dog
Yeah. Yeah.

03:15.12
Bevo
Okay.

03:15.22
Chibbs
Yeah, you get you go to an Audi burnt DVD store.

03:16.82
Mad Dog
aly

03:19.18
Chibbs
or was um but The ones in Bali that that you just...

03:23.26
gav
Yeah, yep.

03:23.48
Mad Dog
yeah

03:23.78
Chibbs
you it I remember i bought a Block Party album in Bali once. I thought I bought Silent Alarm by Block Party and I got home and it was Creed.

03:32.60
Bevo
going to...

03:32.86
gav
Oh my God. <unk>

03:34.68
Chibbs
Yeah.

03:35.64
gav
I was at one in Thailand once, me and Lauren bought, um hey oh, oh, oh.

03:37.96
Chibbs
Oh, it's spinning, spinning, spinning. Oh!

03:43.42
Chibbs
Gavin is fighting Echo Smith.

03:45.82
Mad Dog
Yes. Are they?

03:50.73
gav
Okay.

03:51.69
Chibbs
Oh, Gavin.

03:52.50
gav
Okay.

03:53.09
Chibbs
All right.

03:53.18
gav
Let me look here. So we've got...

03:54.29
Chibbs
didnt didn't give me it didn't give me the stats, their fighting stats, but I think the next episode will have fighting stats. But um four members, one female, three males.

04:00.86
gav
Okay, good to know. So this is...

04:04.89
gav
So can I tell you, though, I'm sure that we'll get to this, but I'm going to tap the glass early on this one. They're four siblings. So, yeah.

04:12.73
Bevo
Ah.

04:12.76
Mad Dog
ah they

04:13.14
Chibbs
Oh, right. Are they?

04:14.97
gav
Yeah. um see Siorta is the... Siarorta. Siarorta? Fucking, out don know how to pronounce their name.

04:20.92
Chibbs
I want to see how many episodes it takes to get to the point where every time there's a female, it's Gavin that's fighting them.

04:23.22
gav
Their names... their names

04:30.78
Chibbs
Yeah.

04:30.71
gav
ah la Oh, I'm not going to like that. um

04:35.61
Chibbs
yeah

04:36.57
gav
So there's Sydney, Jamie, Noah, and Graham, and they're four siblings in this band. Now, I'm i'm confident.

04:43.80
Chibbs
like Okay, right.

04:45.18
Bevo
Sounds churchy.

04:46.87
Chibbs
since

04:47.25
gav
I'm confident that... Do I get to decide how I fight them?

04:48.86
Chibbs
Yeah.

04:50.22
gav
I think that was a part of the rules, right? like Okay, so...

04:52.31
Chibbs
And how drunk you'll be. with

04:53.91
Bevo
I think you get an initial, you get, you get a ah initial thought now, and then at the end you get to decide for sure.

04:58.49
Chibbs
Yeah, and then we've got read the lyrics.

04:59.60
Mad Dog
That's right.

04:59.73
Chibbs
You've got decide.

04:59.61
gav
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. um So I'm going to...

05:01.80
Mad Dog
But do you have to fight, if it's a band, do you have to fight all members?

05:05.53
gav
Yes, you have to fight the band.

05:05.78
Chibbs
Yeah.

05:06.04
Bevo
Yes.

05:07.09
gav
You've got to fight the band.

05:07.26
Mad Dog
Okay.

05:07.46
Bevo
Yep.

05:07.74
Mad Dog
Okay.

05:07.74
Chibbs
Yeah.

05:07.85
gav
So here's what going to do.

05:08.64
Mad Dog
Right.

05:08.97
gav
I'm going to say two shots of Irish fighting juice, i.e. Jemisin, and then I take them on one after the other um in alphabetical order.

05:14.20
Chibbs
yeah yeah okay

05:20.73
Bevo
Like Leonardo DiCaprio in one battle after another. i don't know. I haven't seen it.

05:24.44
gav
yeah yeah ah um So yeah, I feel like i feel like being four very musical siblings, I feel like I'd be fighting like the modern day equivalent of Hanson and I could absolutely drop all those cunts.

05:25.78
Chibbs
yeah

05:25.88
Bevo
i assume that's what happens.

05:31.70
Chibbs
m

05:35.43
gav
So that's where I'm going with this. I feel like, yeah.

05:38.01
Chibbs
hate

05:39.74
Mad Dog
but

05:42.39
Chibbs
Okay, let's get into the lyrics.

05:43.42
Mad Dog
Yeah.

05:43.95
Chibbs
It goes, first one.

05:44.47
Mad Dog
i It's...

05:46.81
Chibbs
She sees them walking in a straight line. That's not really her style. And they all got the same heartbeat. But hers is falling behind.

05:58.74
gav
come

05:58.90
Chibbs
Nothing in this world could ever bring them down. Yeah, they're invincible. And she's just in the background. And she says...

06:08.31
gav
Okay, so I'm going to fight someone with a heart defect.

06:08.89
Mad Dog
Okay.

06:08.92
Bevo
second And a zigzag, wo with a bung leg.

06:08.98
Chibbs
This...

06:10.39
gav
I am absolutely winning this fight.

06:13.59
Chibbs
It is a good early sign for Gavin.

06:16.31
Mad Dog
A bung...

06:16.31
gav
ah ah

06:18.30
Chibbs
If we're on polymarket, then, ah yeah, it's some for sure.

06:20.79
gav
Yeah, the odds odds in my favor are on the up right now. Jesus Christ.

06:25.10
Chibbs
Now.

06:25.15
Mad Dog
A bung leg.

06:25.24
Bevo
Maybe she's got some kind of vertigo and she's got trouble balancing. That's why she's not walking in a straight line.

06:30.07
Mad Dog
And cardiac arrhythmia.

06:30.17
Chibbs
Well, she's she's watching all these straight walkers get her around. She's more of a curvy walker. Yeah, she's always...

06:37.65
Bevo
Zig zagger.

06:38.04
Mad Dog
okay

06:38.87
gav
Yeah, she's a serpentine, which is good in battle, I guess.

06:41.11
Chibbs
She always walks in a circular motion to wherever she's going. It's always in a bend. Yeah. so She doesn't.

06:48.80
Bevo
in centric circles to where she's going

06:50.62
Mad Dog
Taking a wide arc.

06:52.38
Chibbs
Yeah.

06:53.74
gav
my God.

06:55.10
Chibbs
I'll hook around. I'll see there.

06:56.60
Mad Dog
yeah

06:57.17
Chibbs
Yeah. it's

06:58.41
Mad Dog
I don't...

06:58.55
gav
So dave they've all got the same heartbeat and hers is falling behind.

06:58.86
Mad Dog
Yeah.

07:02.62
gav
So yeah, she's she's straight up got some sort of medical issue here, right?

07:05.71
Bevo
arrhythmia yeah

07:05.74
gav
Like, yeah, yeah.

07:07.56
Chibbs
Oh, for sure.

07:07.61
Mad Dog
Yeah, it's an arrhythmia.

07:08.02
Chibbs
Like, no wonder she can't. Yeah, she's falling. She's stumbling around. Yeah, she's dying.

07:12.44
gav
m

07:13.05
Mad Dog
Yeah.

07:13.43
gav
Yeah.

07:14.10
Bevo
Also, they're all invincible and she's not, and she's wondering why she's in the background.

07:14.01
gav
Yeah, she's not in a good way.

07:14.81
Chibbs
ah

07:17.78
Bevo
it's like, well, you've got some people that are literally invincible. Yeah.

07:21.32
Chibbs
Gods. You are walking amongst straight-walking gods.

07:23.05
Bevo
No wonder.

07:23.26
Mad Dog
Yeah.

07:24.52
Chibbs
Yeah.

07:24.69
Bevo
Don't, don't fight for attention.

07:24.70
gav
Yeah. Yeah.

07:26.46
Bevo
You're not going to get it.

07:26.36
gav
Thank Christ I'm not fighting them.

07:27.15
Bevo
Yeah.

07:28.31
gav
i would have had to revise my answer immediately.

07:28.60
Chibbs
yeah

07:29.08
Mad Dog
Yeah.

07:30.93
gav
Ha ha ha ha

07:31.21
Chibbs
Yeah, that's right. if any if You would be so stoked if you turned up to the high school that's full of gods and normal people. Or no, not even normal people. Gods and sickly people. These are the only two people we have at this school.

07:42.97
Chibbs
And you go, you're going to have to fight for them. You go, them. You go, know them. And you're looking at these people stumbling around the quad.

07:47.48
Bevo
Yeah.

07:47.43
gav
No, no, them. I'll say, four demigods part to reveal these four sickly siblings with weak heartbeats.

07:48.70
Bevo
Yeah.

07:55.35
gav
ah

07:56.06
Chibbs
You're like, yeah, all right.

07:56.47
gav
Cut that to Gavin's throbbing dick. Yeah.

08:00.28
Bevo
yes

08:03.45
Chibbs
ah and ah I do like the idea, i don't want to jump the gun, but she is talking about how cool kids, their hearts are better and they can't die.

08:12.63
Mad Dog
yes Stronger heartbeats.

08:13.06
Chibbs
But the fact that they walk straight, like straight walking is a cool thing.

08:15.38
Bevo
efficient walkers yeah m

08:18.36
Chibbs
like Have you ever looked at someone and gone like you know what?

08:18.26
gav
Yeah.

08:21.84
Chibbs
That's the fucking coolest shit I've ever seen. That straight line that person just walked in.

08:24.50
Mad Dog
dick Getting from A to B in the shortest.

08:24.97
gav
Well, actually, I will say, I'm not going to lie.

08:25.83
Bevo
that's actually something i do something i do when i'm walking behind someone is i kind of check out their gate because everyone's got a really unique interesting and then i always wonder like what does mine look like from behind

08:29.63
gav
i'

08:33.17
Mad Dog
Okay.

08:36.98
Chibbs
He's got rickets.

08:37.54
gav
I'll tell you what, though.

08:41.66
gav
um

08:42.14
Mad Dog
but You should be wearing the I'm following you shirt.

08:42.39
gav
Really cool people walking in a straight line. Oh, that's true. Let's fire that up.

08:47.26
Bevo
you

08:47.12
gav
um No, cool people walking in a straight line.

08:47.50
Chibbs
They're

08:49.08
gav
are North Korean troops, you've seen them do that, like the marching in format. They're walking in incredibly straight lines. I assume they'll have fantastic heartbeats.

08:54.71
Mad Dog
Very straight.

08:54.84
Chibbs
they the coolest people in North Korea.

08:56.02
Mad Dog
Okay.

08:57.62
gav
You've got to assume that like on the hierarchy of North Korean coolness, it goes obviously the Supreme Leader and then the military, right?

09:04.02
Chibbs
You think the famine would affect their hearts?

09:04.12
Mad Dog
Straight walkers. Yeah.

09:07.45
gav
I mean, the yeah, sure, the proles, the like the the fucking the the plebs of of society, sure, but I think they feed their military because they need them need them healthy.

09:15.38
Bevo
Military, yeah. They need the militant.

09:18.28
Chibbs
Okay, fair enough.

09:18.79
Bevo
Yeah.

09:18.81
Mad Dog
what

09:19.48
Chibbs
Good.

09:19.64
Mad Dog
The way she's written this, though, is that she's capable she's capable of walking in a straight line, but it's just not her style.

09:28.54
gav
That's just not how she does it.

09:29.26
Chibbs
That's She's choosing not to.

09:29.40
Mad Dog
So, yeah, she's choosing not to.

09:31.78
Bevo
Yeah.

09:33.25
Mad Dog
Yeah. And she has a weak heart. Maybe she hasn't chosen that.

09:35.61
gav
Could she be fainting here? Could she be? could she be That's got me a bit concerned, Mad Dog, if she's fainting the the bung leg and I'm like, hu look at this idiot with the bung leg and I go to do like a sweep and she like does a quick fucking switch up and fucking knocks me out.

09:44.93
Bevo
Oh, the drunken master.

09:45.53
Mad Dog
Yeah.

09:49.27
Bevo
Yeah.

09:49.65
Mad Dog
Yeah. see She's shocking you.

09:50.91
Bevo
Wallops, yeah.

09:51.19
gav
mean

09:52.41
Bevo
Well, let's find out.

09:52.47
Mad Dog
Yeah, that's it.

09:52.38
gav
Yeah, okay.

09:53.41
Bevo
Let's let's get into the meat here.

09:53.82
gav
I'm on notice. I'm on notice.

09:55.95
Chibbs
You'll notice. The chorus goes, I wish that I could be like the cool kids, because all the cool kids, they seem to fit in. I wish that I would could be like the cool kids, like the cool kids. 100%.

10:10.42
Bevo
Well...

10:10.36
gav
Well, they're invincible. That's that's a given.

10:13.34
Chibbs
ah hundred percent

10:13.37
Bevo
If you really wish that, how about just walking a straight line? That's the first thing.

10:17.46
Chibbs
Yeah, that's right.

10:17.69
Mad Dog
Don't be a fucking weirdo.

10:18.10
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

10:20.19
Mad Dog
Yeah.

10:20.79
Chibbs
Take your medication.

10:20.82
gav
Drink some caffeine.

10:21.87
Chibbs
Yeah. Your style is that I sort of stumble and fall a lot.

10:22.46
gav
Yeah.

10:25.09
Bevo
Pacemaker.

10:25.55
Chibbs
It's like, you know, yeah, your style. Style is a choice.

10:28.49
Bevo
Yeah.

10:30.22
Chibbs
Style's choice.

10:30.29
gav
m

10:31.02
Chibbs
Yeah. um You can't do anything about the invincibility.

10:32.48
Mad Dog
Maybe holding back your social... Yeah.

10:36.26
Chibbs
Invincibility is not a choice, I guess, but you've got to choose your battles.

10:36.86
Mad Dog
Yeah.

10:39.04
Bevo
It's like saying, I wish you could get rid of this headache when you got Panadol right in front of you.

10:42.71
gav
no

10:43.29
Chibbs
Yeah.

10:44.18
Mad Dog
right sure True, true, true.

10:45.10
Chibbs
Yeah. That's right. So all she's basing this on, as far as we know, from verse one, cool kids, can't die, good hearts, straight walkers.

10:54.16
Bevo
Walk straight. Yeah. Correct. Yeah.

10:58.04
Chibbs
Yeah?

10:58.01
gav
Yeah.

10:59.06
Chibbs
We get ah get a list.

10:59.63
gav
Straight walking.

11:00.15
Mad Dog
That makes you cool.

11:01.78
Bevo
correct

11:03.21
Chibbs
We'll make a list. We want to make a list. so I want to see if, you know, we want to know if Gavin can beat them in a fight at the end, but we also want to see if any of us are cool. Yeah.

11:10.23
gav
I feel like I'm already not cool.

11:10.78
Mad Dog
Yeah.

11:11.75
gav
I've got a long family history of heart attacks. I'm definitely going to die young.

11:14.15
Chibbs
Yeah, I'm just like, I'm definitely going to die. Verse 2.

11:17.50
Mad Dog
I thought you were going to say, I've got a long family history of bendy walkers.

11:19.43
gav
Can't walk straight to save my life. Walking in parabolas. Parabolic walking.

11:28.30
Mad Dog
Parapolips.

11:28.31
Chibbs
Verse 2 goes, he sees them talking with a big smile, but they haven't got a clue. Yeah, they're living the good life. Can't see what he is going through.

11:40.38
Chibbs
They're driving fast cars, but they don't know where they're going. In the fast lane, living life without knowing. And he says... but I like the idea of like a fucking Ferrari just like, blah, blah, blah, blah.

11:52.01
gav
Hmm.

11:55.38
Bevo
Mmm. Mmm.

11:57.85
gav
I

11:59.70
Chibbs
I'm so lost. Just like.

12:02.36
gav
can't. ah

12:03.45
Mad Dog
Where are we going?

12:04.12
gav
wow

12:05.39
Mad Dog
I've got no fucking idea.

12:05.72
gav
ah hu

12:06.84
Chibbs
And it's just like pull blasting down the freeway.

12:07.35
gav
like

12:09.80
Chibbs
I don't know where where i am.

12:13.26
gav
He's going so fast. He he can't he you can't read the road signs because he's going too fucking quick in his Ferrari.

12:18.68
Chibbs
too far

12:19.22
gav
his abs Have we passed the exit?

12:19.90
Bevo
yeah

12:21.18
gav
I don't fucking know.

12:24.46
Chibbs
You'd be so stressed just at like an absolute DNA level by going faster than any human should be going at that time. And then also to throw in that you're now lost and don't know where you are anymore would be terrifying.

12:39.64
Bevo
but but also very cool at the same time like fucking cool glasses and yeah g-forces

12:40.34
Mad Dog
Yeah, it's like...

12:44.35
Chibbs
You've got to keep it up.

12:44.50
gav
ah

12:45.98
Chibbs
yeah You've got a big smile. You've just got to smile through it.

12:49.04
Mad Dog
It's

12:49.05
gav
ah it's just it's just the wind blowing their lips back the wind's just blowing their lips right back into a fucking big like artificial grin

12:52.86
Chibbs
Where are we going? we

12:58.49
Mad Dog
ah

13:00.30
Bevo
jfor

13:01.18
Mad Dog
that done

13:01.90
Chibbs
No idea.

13:03.83
Mad Dog
yeah most

13:04.90
Chibbs
Being

13:05.78
Mad Dog
right

13:05.78
gav
ha

13:06.46
Mad Dog
Most people that are lost slow down, but they're just fucking leaning into it.

13:10.81
gav
not these guys not these guys

13:13.56
Chibbs
lost at pace is hilarious.

13:15.45
Mad Dog
yeah yeah

13:17.14
gav
Yeah. Ha ha ha.

13:19.70
Mad Dog
well

13:19.93
gav
Ha ha ha. Ha

13:20.82
Mad Dog
Is it a right or a left?

13:24.05
gav
ha ha. Ha

13:25.46
Bevo
If I just go in one direction, if I go one direction long enough, I'll hit the ocean.

13:25.78
Mad Dog
I've got no fucking idea.

13:31.00
Mad Dog
yeah

13:31.43
Bevo
Eventually.

13:31.47
gav
ha ha.

13:35.27
Mad Dog
Lost.

13:35.42
Chibbs
No true statement has ever been said in any situation in life.

13:38.65
Mad Dog
yeah

13:40.38
Chibbs
If I go in a direction long enough, I will hit the ocean.

13:42.94
Mad Dog
Long enough, I will hit the ocean.

13:47.96
Bevo
And it's true.

13:48.14
Chibbs
I'm sure many people have been lost in the Amazon and have said that exact same thing.

13:48.58
Bevo
You're ready. Oh,

13:52.60
Chibbs
yeah

13:53.91
Mad Dog
We can walk out of this. Eventually, we'll get to the ocean.

13:57.88
gav
It's somewhere in that direction.

13:58.10
Chibbs
We just need to survive.

13:58.20
Bevo
if you're in a really fast car.

13:59.61
gav
Yep.

14:00.28
Chibbs
Yeah. Yeah.

14:04.83
Mad Dog
But, yeah, lost lost at speed.

14:05.30
Chibbs
Okay, so.

14:08.06
Chibbs
Yeah, that's great.

14:08.12
gav
yeah

14:08.57
Bevo
Yeah.

14:09.37
Chibbs
The list of cool things. Straight walking. Good hearts.

14:13.62
Bevo
<unk>

14:14.05
Chibbs
Invincible. Big smiles. Chatty. Drive fast cars.

14:21.09
Bevo
Look at this.

14:21.14
Chibbs
Not great with directions.

14:21.78
gav
they be lost yeah yeah true

14:24.18
Mad Dog
don't know where the fuck they are. That's...

14:26.50
Chibbs
That's cool. Like, that's the cool thing. It's just like, man, this guy's so cool. Look at him.

14:31.35
Bevo
Look at is this fancy looking motherfucker.

14:32.24
Chibbs
Fanging around downtown. Taking lefts and rights and U-turns.

14:39.64
Mad Dog
It also says living life without knowing.

14:40.15
Chibbs
Panicking.

14:42.42
Mad Dog
So they're not cognizant that they're actually a living, breathing organism.

14:45.85
Chibbs
That there are actually a lot...

14:46.74
Bevo
Yeah, yeah.

14:46.77
Chibbs
Well, they if you're and if you're invincible, this is a more of a philosophical question, but if you're invincible...

14:46.84
gav
yeah true

14:49.24
Mad Dog
Yeah.

14:54.52
Bevo
In a crevice. Are you going to talk about a crevice?

14:55.19
Chibbs
Is there a point where you...

14:55.48
gav
Are you living?

14:56.89
Chibbs
Are you living?

14:58.55
gav
Yeah.

14:59.14
Bevo
Well, eventually, no, you'd be stuck in Yeah.

14:59.29
Mad Dog
Yeah. hair

14:59.67
Chibbs
Is there life without...

15:02.14
gav
Is there life without death?

15:02.71
Chibbs
Yeah, fucking an octopus. Are you living if you can't die?

15:05.66
Mad Dog
There.

15:05.62
gav
Oh, God.

15:09.24
Chibbs
Aren't you living if you can't die?

15:09.18
gav
How did we get back to crevice chat?

15:09.53
Mad Dog
but

15:10.90
gav
How the fuck?

15:11.43
Bevo
the cute just like

15:12.98
gav
ah

15:13.14
Bevo
Just like invincibility, you always end up in a crevice.

15:14.97
Mad Dog
The crevice always comes up.

15:16.92
gav
You always end up in a crevice.

15:17.41
Bevo
Yeah.

15:18.44
gav
or a long enough On a long enough time scale, you always end up in a crevice.

15:21.78
Bevo
Long enough podcast, we always talk about the crevices.

15:23.64
gav
ah

15:26.91
Chibbs
They bang another chorus out.

15:27.22
Mad Dog
Crevice.

15:28.76
Chibbs
They still wish they could be like the cool kids and fit in and whatnot over and over again.

15:33.40
Bevo
Oh, that's it.

15:34.15
Chibbs
Oh, fuck, that is it.

15:34.70
gav
Oh, no, there's a bridge. Hit us with the bridge, Chibs.

15:36.47
Chibbs
No, the bridge says, and that and they said.

15:39.56
Bevo
Oh, so she's deaf as well.

15:39.53
gav
There you go. ah

15:41.82
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They just did the chorus twice. They went, huh? And they said, i wish that I could be like the cool kids. It's like, oh, right, yeah, okay, we heard you.

15:51.98
Bevo
Yes.

15:52.79
gav
they did They did the chorus twice and they said, and then the chorus three more times.

15:53.46
Chibbs
Actually, we did hear that. Yeah. Three times.

15:57.88
gav
So they end on ah they end on ah on a five banger at the end.

15:58.57
Chibbs
You get five choruses.

16:01.12
gav
Yeah. Jesus.

16:02.94
Chibbs
That's how you know you've got a hit.

16:03.32
gav
It's a lot.

16:04.52
Chibbs
That's how you know you've got a hit on your hands. That's how the producer went. You know what? I can't wait for you to get to these choruses.

16:12.06
gav
ah ah

16:12.70
Chibbs
people can just get to If people can just get to the chorus, if people can get to the chorus, going fucking love this song.

16:13.50
gav
The cool kids are going to love these choruses.

16:18.98
Chibbs
Yeah. Let's just give them. Give them the chorus by the boatload.

16:22.19
Bevo
Give the people what they want.

16:23.07
Chibbs
Let's give them what they want.

16:24.41
gav
All right, well, that's the lyrics. That's that.

16:26.97
Bevo
Yeah.

16:27.46
gav
Yeah. Nice.

16:28.47
Chibbs
That is the lyrics.

16:28.63
Bevo
yeah

16:28.62
gav
that's that

16:29.31
Chibbs
Fuck me. How's that?

16:29.88
gav
oh yeah

16:31.16
Chibbs
It was released on the 24th of September, 2013. That is 4,390 days after the towers collapsed.

16:40.18
gav
nice

16:40.68
Mad Dog
Wow.

16:41.53
Chibbs
Yeah. The single was originally released, wait, on the 31st of May, 2013? What? what Why was it re-released? More explanation.

16:52.46
Bevo
That's interesting you should say that because on the set list, which is spoilers for later, when they play Cool Kids, it says in brackets, our version.

16:57.24
Chibbs
Yeah.

17:01.53
Mad Dog
Oh.

17:01.99
gav
Or did they...

17:02.49
Chibbs
Oh, okay.

17:03.03
Bevo
we have a We have a mystery on our hands.

17:05.75
gav
I think it was written it was co-written and co-produced by their dad, I think.

17:06.02
Chibbs
Oh, what we do?

17:10.46
gav
Their dad has something to do with like the writing.

17:11.57
Bevo
Ah, bit of a Brian Wilson, Wilson kids.

17:11.58
Mad Dog
hat

17:12.54
gav
so maybe Maybe they're a little bit of a flip you off.

17:13.44
Chibbs
Dad?

17:15.03
Bevo
Dad.

17:15.75
gav
Like, we've got our own version now, old man. We do six choruses at the end, dad.

17:18.68
Bevo
Dad.

17:19.18
Chibbs
What?

17:22.07
Mad Dog
Hang on.

17:22.39
Chibbs
the The song is...

17:22.43
Mad Dog
Have we got ah Nepo? Have we got a Nepo family?

17:25.09
gav
Oh, it's Big Time Nepo Family, I think. Yeah, the...

17:27.73
Mad Dog
Yeah.

17:27.64
gav
um

17:27.84
Chibbs
Yeah, the song songwriters credited as Sydney Sierotta, Noah Sierotta, Graham Sierotta, Jamie Sierotta, Jeffrey David, and Josiah Dweznoch.

17:28.06
Mad Dog
Okay.

17:34.12
gav
Yeah.

17:39.86
gav
See you, Rotter.

17:44.58
Chibbs
Dweznoch.

17:44.44
gav
Jesus.

17:47.57
Mad Dog
Twesnok.

17:47.96
Chibbs
Noick. Nick. Dweznek.

17:49.88
Bevo
I don't think there's been a single episode of this where it hasn't been a weird bunch of names in this section.

17:52.05
Mad Dog
Twesnok.

17:53.88
gav
Yeah, that's all we've got.

17:55.91
Mad Dog
Twesnok.

17:57.94
Bevo
That just sounds made up like. Yeah.

18:01.65
gav
ha ha ha.

18:02.68
Chibbs
It could be.

18:02.97
Bevo
Yeah. Yeah.

18:03.62
Chibbs
It could be.

18:04.90
Mad Dog
Twesnok

18:05.20
Chibbs
it's like It's going to turn out that just these random names get chucked in as like, that's the AI they were using.

18:10.17
Bevo
yeah yeah

18:10.90
gav
a

18:11.35
Chibbs
Yeah. um Sydney fronted the band as a teenager during the song's initial release and breakout period. um Yeah, formed formed with her siblings. Noah, Sarah, on a left the band in 2018 to pursue other work.

18:29.40
Mad Dog
like hungry jacks

18:29.72
Chibbs
It doesn't say music. It's just like, oh...

18:31.00
Bevo
i'm I'm so suspicious of, i'm I'm smelling the church here, hardcore.

18:31.38
gav
Nice. Yeah.

18:33.08
Chibbs
I need ah need a job. I a job.

18:37.21
Bevo
And I think he's gone off to be a missionary or something.

18:40.42
Chibbs
Now, one of these...

18:40.65
Bevo
That's my suspicion.

18:40.75
Mad Dog
that's true yeah stink of the lord

18:41.88
Chibbs
Oh, here we go. No, no, this does stink of the Lord, Bebo.

18:46.23
Bevo
The Lord.

18:46.41
gav
of the Lord.

18:47.10
Chibbs
Graham!

18:47.01
gav
Oh, yeah.

18:47.98
Chibbs
Graham!

18:50.34
Bevo
The capital capital lll Lord.

18:53.24
Chibbs
Graham, say your honour.

18:53.11
gav
ah

18:55.22
Chibbs
The band had to issue a public statement in response to his controversy involving him messaging a minor...

19:02.61
gav
oh

19:04.92
Bevo
No.

19:05.05
Mad Dog
Jesus.

19:05.50
gav
yeah

19:07.86
Mad Dog
Okay.

19:08.43
Chibbs
Yeah.

19:08.69
Bevo
That's more of a pop punk thing than an indie pop.

19:11.25
Chibbs
It's more of a simple plan thing.

19:11.80
Mad Dog
Yeah.

19:13.50
Chibbs
Um, Jamie Ciarotta, he left the band in 2016.

19:13.88
Mad Dog
Yeah, that's right.

19:17.17
Chibbs
The band publicly framed it as his decision following, uh, uh, after he became a parent, he was not kicked out, but it's one of these, like, it seems like there's a lot, it started as all family members and all the family members started being like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

19:33.46
gav
Yeah.

19:33.93
Chibbs
Don't want anything to do with you. um

19:35.74
gav
Progressively got less and less family members. Did they didn didn't replace the family members as they dropped out or were they just...

19:40.76
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They kept it going. Yeah, they didn't kill the cash cow.

19:42.94
gav
They kept... So, yeah.

19:44.70
Chibbs
Yeah. um

19:45.08
gav
Yeah.

19:46.07
Chibbs
The Geoffrey David.

19:46.44
gav
I'm picturing like by the end it's just like the weird the weird bassist brother on stage trying to sing the sisters part like, I wish that I could...

19:52.50
Chibbs
Every time, yeah, every time I always think of... Has anyone seen That Thing You Do, the Tom Hanks?

19:58.45
Bevo
Yeah.

19:58.36
gav
Yeah.

19:59.71
Chibbs
It's such a good movie.

19:59.90
gav
Yeah.

20:00.09
Mad Dog
Great movie.

20:00.29
Bevo
have thoughts about that movie.

20:01.82
gav
Yeah.

20:02.14
Chibbs
There's a part where the bass player has signed up for the military and they're in the middle of, like, touring.

20:06.52
Bevo
e

20:08.33
Chibbs
They have a huge hit. And he's like, I have to report for duty.

20:11.99
Bevo
Yeah.

20:12.04
Chibbs
I'm going to go.

20:12.27
Bevo
In Vietnam.

20:12.54
gav
ah

20:13.09
Chibbs
They're like, fuck.

20:13.71
Bevo
That's the thing about that movie. the That thing you do is there's a lot of sinister undertones that never pay off.

20:16.74
Chibbs
Yeah.

20:19.93
Bevo
Like he goes to the army, the one of the guys is heaps into gambling.

20:19.96
Chibbs
Yeah.

20:20.18
gav
yeah right

20:23.80
Chibbs
Yeah.

20:24.28
Bevo
ah the main characters kind of like about to sleep with the guitar players, girlfriend, like everyone has.

20:27.37
gav
an asshole right is this the wonders the o n e d e r s is that the is that that's that band the oh the o needers that's a good fucking movie man i haven't seen that does it hold does it hold up

20:30.58
Chibbs
yeah Yeah.

20:32.22
Bevo
Yeah.

20:33.14
Chibbs
Yeah. hit The Oneiders.

20:33.94
Bevo
Yeah. Yeah. yeah

20:37.24
Chibbs
Yeah.

20:39.11
Bevo
It's a good movie, but yeah.

20:39.38
Chibbs
Right, man.

20:40.76
Mad Dog
It's great movie.

20:42.30
Bevo
Do you know they play that song, that they play the song, that thing you do like 11 times through the whole movie.

20:42.48
Chibbs
There's a pop...

20:42.55
gav
um would say

20:46.55
Chibbs
great this amazing fucking song the guy from the guy from the fountains of wine dude yeah um yeah the uh yeah at this point the bass player leaves that he brings in like the session dude and it's like this is wolfman he's your bass player now and it's like he's like do even know our song and he's like yeah okay but um yeah

20:47.60
Bevo
It's such a good song.

20:47.58
gav
o

20:48.82
Mad Dog
It's good song.

20:49.46
Bevo
Written by the Fountains Wayne.

20:49.90
Mad Dog
Yeah.

20:53.36
gav
Oh, wow.

20:53.70
Bevo
Yeah.

20:53.70
gav
but You both hit that at once. I love that.

21:03.86
Bevo
Yeah.

21:04.34
Mad Dog
oh

21:04.66
gav
ah

21:05.29
Mad Dog
Wolfman.

21:09.18
Chibbs
yeah okay but um

21:11.22
gav
Ha ha ha ha

21:12.02
Chibbs
yes Let's just imagine it's like all these band members, the family members are like, ah this guy's doing all types of weird shit.

21:17.50
gav
and

21:19.19
Chibbs
I'm out. I'm not doing this. He's like, here is. Now, this is the Wolfman. is your bass player now.

21:23.70
gav
yeah

21:26.40
Chibbs
Jeffrey David is credited as a co-writer. um He seems to just sort of be like one of these... like Him and Josiah are like a writing partnership. It seems like, you know, come in, help me get this Echo.

21:39.66
Chibbs
ah It's crazy because it's like some some record labels pouring money it's been like, this Echo Smith need a hit.

21:40.60
Mad Dog
yeah

21:46.46
Chibbs
Get me Jeffrey and Josiah. Like, it's just like, you know, there's...

21:48.76
gav
a

21:49.41
Mad Dog
Let's get this poppin'.

21:50.16
Chibbs
he There's so many people out there that are writing great songs.

21:51.58
gav
how many How many songs...

21:53.68
Chibbs
it Like, put some effort into finding them rather than the forcing shit down our throat.

21:59.96
Mad Dog
Yeah.

22:00.48
Chibbs
Like, yeah.

22:00.76
Mad Dog
Yeah. Yeah.

22:02.14
Chibbs
Yeah.

22:03.29
gav
How many songs have we done where it like where we've mentioned that exact formula before, though, where it's like, clearly these like an artist that's on their like second album haven't had a big hit and it's just like they call in the fucking big guns and they've got to just pump out a hit.

22:03.83
Chibbs
ah

22:15.38
Chibbs
Yeah, The Matrix.

22:16.42
gav
and now Yeah, get the Matrix in the room.

22:17.72
Chibbs
Yeah.

22:19.03
gav
Get ah te Ryan Tedder.

22:19.33
Chibbs
Mm-hmm.

22:21.50
Mad Dog
Tether.

22:21.42
gav
Where's my track?

22:21.62
Chibbs
Get them your tether.

22:22.14
gav
Need hit.

22:22.44
Chibbs
You need a hit. um

22:24.09
gav
need a hit

22:25.40
Mad Dog
Get your tatters out.

22:25.62
Chibbs
So what the conspiracy theory behind this is that it basically is like industry plant stuff for...

22:32.59
gav
Oh wait, where's that conspiracy stinger? Do we have that?

22:34.62
Chibbs
Oh, we need no, not yet.

22:35.06
Bevo
ah I was just thinking about that today, actually.

22:36.27
Chibbs
No, no, no.

22:36.75
gav
Fuck. Yeah, shit.

22:40.06
Chibbs
It was instantly just put into a million advertisements, film trailers, TV show trailers, advertising, everything instantly that it was almost like an advertising agency went, we need a hit, you know, about cool kids.

22:49.66
Mad Dog
Yeah.

22:50.68
gav
yes, suspect.

22:53.62
Mad Dog
Fuck.

23:00.47
Chibbs
And the record label's gone, Yeah, I think we can work something out for you. Like, it there's a conspiracy theory based around that it was specifically done for selling to ads and it made a demand for ads and that sort of stuff.

23:04.76
Mad Dog
Yeah, okay.

23:05.46
gav
Yeah.

23:13.46
Mad Dog
To meet demand. Yeah.

23:15.13
gav
Yeah. Yeah.

23:15.99
Bevo
Yeah. Yeah.

23:16.54
Mad Dog
Yeah.

23:16.50
gav
yeah

23:17.24
Mad Dog
Yeah.

23:17.78
Chibbs
Yeah.

23:19.00
Mad Dog
yeah Interesting.

23:19.10
Chibbs
um i don't think I don't think it's that far-fetched, really.

23:20.50
Mad Dog
Interesting.

23:22.58
gav
No, it's, it's, yeah.

23:23.06
Chibbs
It's produced by yeah it's produced by mike L.

23:23.37
Mad Dog
Not far-fetched at all.

23:27.97
Chibbs
Elizondo. yeah

23:30.58
gav
Hmm. Hmm.

23:33.11
Chibbs
ah He has songwriting credits that include In Da Club by 50 Cent, Eminem's Just Lose It, The Real Slim Shady, Family Affair by e Mary J.

23:38.14
gav
oh

23:39.28
Mad Dog
Sick.

23:42.90
Chibbs
Blige, Carrie Underwood's Cowboy Casanova, and he's won three Grammy Awards and been nominated seventy seven times for producer of the year. um

23:51.86
Mad Dog
He knows what he's doing.

23:51.93
gav
Jesus Christ. He co-wrote The Real Slim Shady with fucking Dr.

23:53.75
Chibbs
Yeah.

23:56.08
gav
Dre. That is Jesus.

23:56.98
Chibbs
Yeah.

23:57.74
gav
That is a feather in the cap.

23:57.90
Chibbs
It's good effort.

23:58.61
Bevo
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

23:59.22
gav
That is a fucking iconic song.

23:59.83
Bevo
yeah

23:59.99
Chibbs
So that this, getting those two songwriters in and then getting him in start to feed into that conspiracy theory of like, we really need a hit for these ads.

24:08.47
gav
Yeah.

24:10.24
Mad Dog
100%. Yeah. Okay.

24:11.40
Chibbs
Got a lot of, of sell a lot to ads. Now there's a lot of fucking guitars in the vi, the pictures, the video, everything for this.

24:14.46
Mad Dog
yeah

24:20.95
Chibbs
I didn't hear one in the song. I heard a lot of keyboards, a lot of keyboards.

24:26.07
Bevo
Well, it's the the guitar hook, which is, it reminds me of um Pumped Up Kicks.

24:26.92
gav
yeah, yeah, yeah. dan in and yeah yeah yeah yeah

24:31.74
Bevo
Not exactly the same, but it's got the same kind of vibe.

24:31.93
Chibbs
Yeah.

24:35.67
Mad Dog
but got

24:35.71
Bevo
like they went, let's write a song like Pumped Up Kicks.

24:36.92
Chibbs
Why are they why they three guitars? Why are they playing three guitars in this fucking video? It's like not one keyboard to be found.

24:44.06
Bevo
This is also...

24:44.16
Chibbs
It's mostly a backing track.

24:46.39
Bevo
I couldn't pinpoint when, but like bands stopped charting and it's, I reckon it's around this year, the last, the last gasp, 2013, the thirteen dying gasp of bands charting on the billboard charts.

24:53.56
Chibbs
What year was it? It was 2013.

24:55.75
gav
2013, I think we said.

24:56.02
Chibbs
thirteen

24:56.76
gav
Yeah.

24:57.46
Chibbs
um

24:57.53
gav
yeah

24:59.16
Chibbs
you know You know what this was missing? This is missing, Bevo?

25:03.28
Bevo
Hmm.

25:03.48
Chibbs
Your favorite thing in music.

25:06.18
Bevo
Gunshot sound effects.

25:06.60
Chibbs
Oh, nah, a whistle.

25:06.71
gav
cow More cowbell.

25:07.46
Bevo
Oh, yeah.

25:10.20
gav
ah

25:10.66
Chibbs
Can't believe this doesn't have a whistling part.

25:17.02
Chibbs
And then, yeah, this this was dying for a whistle, wasn't it?

25:17.37
Bevo
yeah

25:21.94
gav
Yeah, it does.

25:22.36
Chibbs
ah is sort Is there a video, Gav?

25:23.38
gav
It does feel like that. there most certainly is a video.

25:26.83
Chibbs
Whoo!

25:40.60
gav
So I don't have like a a summary per se, but I wanted to say that watching this video, it feels exactly like... um You remember how um Rebecca Black got big because it was like one of those agencies that make you a song and film you a video and like release it all as like a

25:58.50
Bevo
Oh, yeah.

25:59.38
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah.

26:00.42
gav
$10,000 package or whatever the fuck they do. The video looks exactly like one of those, you you pay, you pay us money and we, so you can stand in a room and and make a it's like, you can be in your own music video.

26:06.01
Bevo
Budget. Yeah.

26:10.23
Chibbs
You can use our green screen. Yeah, it does.

26:12.92
Bevo
Yeah.

26:13.45
gav
It, the whole film clip feels exactly like that.

26:14.21
Bevo
Yeah,

26:17.69
gav
It's exactly like that.

26:18.26
Chibbs
yeah it does

26:19.05
gav
They're just standing around playing their instruments and it cuts to like random people, like just random extras every now and then and like does a close up of a random extras face and then it cuts back to the band.

26:19.35
Mad Dog
It is. that's

26:26.19
Bevo
yeah, yeah.

26:29.69
Mad Dog
Nothing means anything.

26:31.18
gav
It's just fucking weird, man.

26:33.62
Bevo
She also looks exactly like, what's her name from Anna Kendrick from, and Pitch Perfect would have been going off around the same time.

26:33.91
gav
Just fucking weird.

26:39.55
gav
Yeah. Yep.

26:40.76
Chibbs
Oh, does she look like her, does she?

26:40.62
gav
Yep. Yep.

26:41.08
Mad Dog
Yeah.

26:41.10
gav
yep yep She looks like Anna Kendrick for sure.

26:42.58
Mad Dog
She does.

26:42.62
Bevo
Yeah. Spitting image. Yeah.

26:44.37
Mad Dog
Yeah.

26:44.66
Chibbs
Okay, right, interesting.

26:44.89
Mad Dog
Yeah, that's a good call.

26:45.05
gav
um i um I think my...

26:46.81
Chibbs
Yeah, this is stinking of advertising agency music, isn't it?

26:49.37
gav
Yeah, that feeds right into it. That was my note before i before we discussed that that point earlier. um Also, my favorite um my favorite YouTube comment, and it's made me hear the entire song in a new light, is be like the cookies.

27:04.47
gav
And all of the comments are talking about how when she says cool kids, it sounds like she's saying cookies. Yeah. and And it's fucking... I listened to it again after I read that comment.

27:15.89
gav
And if you're listening for it, she 100% is saying cookies.

27:20.47
Chibbs
You reckon they sold cookies?

27:21.18
Mad Dog
Yeah,

27:22.25
Chibbs
You reckon they used this for cookie advertisement?

27:23.58
gav
yeah

27:24.06
Bevo
Girl scout.

27:24.38
gav
Oh, maybe.

27:24.76
Bevo
Yes. cool

27:26.07
gav
Maybe this was a Girl Scout anthem. Girl Scout core.

27:32.79
Chibbs
ah Is there a setlist, Bevo?

27:35.45
Bevo
yes

27:37.04
Chibbs
All

27:42.66
Chibbs
right, the ultimate skill.

27:44.06
Bevo
The ultimate skill, um, December 15th, 2024, the cool kids, the decade tour. So the coasting on this at the marquee theater, Denver, Colorado, USA.

27:56.63
gav
Jesus Christ.

28:00.35
Bevo
it's a 19 song set list. No encore two covers or more covers, three covers.

28:02.81
Mad Dog
Jeez.

28:03.87
Chibbs
songs. What?

28:05.00
gav
Last.

28:06.46
Mad Dog
Only two covers?

28:06.33
gav
Last. Last.

28:09.38
Chibbs
Yeah, last.

28:10.39
gav
last Last, right?

28:10.60
Chibbs
Last. Last.

28:11.64
Mad Dog
i think it's I think it's last.

28:11.96
Bevo
Yeah. Yeah, it's love it's last.

28:13.86
gav
It's got to be fucking last.

28:15.32
Mad Dog
yeah

28:15.54
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah.

28:16.08
Bevo
It's last. It's Cool Kids, our version.

28:18.94
Chibbs
Tell you what, you'd be fucking, you'd be but you'd be beating traffic if it was fucking hits. Yeah.

28:26.49
Bevo
Let me just, I'm just going pull up another set list to see.

28:27.01
gav
oh my god last loss it's lost yeah

28:29.15
Bevo
Yep, last. And just one more to be safe. One more safety.

28:32.92
Mad Dog
And to their credit to their credit, they seem like they know what their job is, which lends into the the conspiracy as well.

28:38.01
Bevo
Yeah, they always end with it.

28:38.49
Chibbs
okay we gotta we gotta to talk about this we're gonna talk about this next next over the next few weeks because i was talking to you guys the other day about young blood and who is this for who is young blood for it's not for me who is it for

28:38.74
gav
yeah

28:49.72
gav
yeah

28:51.06
Bevo
Hmm. So it reminds me of machine gun Kelly, same kind of space he exists in.

28:55.13
Chibbs
yeah I guess. Yeah. I'm like, I don't understand who, who young blood is for because he looks like he's like a rocker dude.

28:57.91
Mad Dog
Yeah.

29:04.44
Chibbs
And he's got like, yeah, but the music doesn't, it's April Levine situation where the music doesn't back that up at all.

29:04.47
gav
like a goth kind of looks like it looks like he fell out of Avenged Sevenfold yeah

29:13.38
Chibbs
There's it's so manufactured pop music, but just sung by this dude who's wearing an eyeliner and gets his cock out or whatever.

29:17.73
Bevo
Yeah.

29:20.80
Mad Dog
It's a new Marilyn Manson.

29:23.42
Chibbs
Yeah, Marilyn Manson was at least industrial metal. Like, it really, it actually was.

29:26.41
Mad Dog
No, can't.

29:26.58
gav
yeah he he looked what he looked what he sound he looked what he sounded like yeah

29:27.95
Bevo
Yeah, match of the vibe. Yeah.

29:30.68
Chibbs
Yeah. Like, this, like, he looks like that. And then I keep, three separate times I've gone, I mustn't have heard the right Youngblood song yet. Like, it must be something else. And then I'm like, what the fuck is this?

29:42.31
Chibbs
Like, it could be The Calling or like, you know, like it's, yeah, very generic 90s pop rock.

29:45.98
Bevo
ah Yeah, right. Interesting.

29:50.25
Bevo
Well, we're coming for you, young blood. Young.

29:52.14
Chibbs
we'll get there.

29:52.12
gav
Yeah, he's he's got to be on the list soon.

29:52.58
Chibbs
But then I was sort of like, who's, whose favorite band is Echo Smith?

29:54.12
gav
Yeah.

29:59.74
gav
Yeah, true.

30:00.30
Bevo
that's ah That's a good question.

30:01.34
Chibbs
they They're playing theaters and they're playing 19 songs.

30:05.24
Bevo
ah Well, so the reason i I put this song forward for us to do is because it it must have been later than this.

30:05.53
Mad Dog
There's people out there.

30:12.28
Bevo
i can't remember now, but it was a time in my life where all I had was the radio. I didn't have anything else in the car. And i used to listen to the local radio station so much that I wrote in into them to say, please stop playing Cool Kids by Echo Smith because it would be...

30:19.60
Mad Dog
Hmm.

30:28.57
Bevo
It was like 10 times a day, I swear to God, and I was just so sick of it.

30:30.50
Mad Dog
It's enough already. Yeah.

30:32.82
Bevo
so there must someone Someone was putting a lot of money behind this.

30:33.11
gav
yeah

30:37.65
Bevo
There's 68,000 comments on YouTube.

30:37.94
Chibbs
Yeah.

30:38.33
Mad Dog
I believe in... Yeah, it's nuts.

30:41.35
Bevo
That's comments.

30:41.66
Chibbs
Yeah, Echo Smith.

30:42.14
gav
yeah fuck it's mostly people just saying I can't believe this song is 10 years old emoji that's a lot of that

30:43.81
Chibbs
Echo Smith.

30:44.38
Mad Dog
Do you have any comments, Bebo?

30:47.00
Bevo
I was having a scroll, but yeah, nothing. Nothing.

30:49.18
Mad Dog
oh i've got I've got one here.

30:49.32
Bevo
I could find one.

30:49.59
Chibbs
Everything I got was fucking cookies. Hmm.

30:56.07
Mad Dog
I've got one I found on um actually on the genius comments. Yeah.

31:01.59
Chibbs
Oh,

31:02.78
Mad Dog
yeah So this is 10 years ago. my By Lord Kratos.

31:09.64
Chibbs
yeah? Lord.

31:10.66
Mad Dog
Lord, yeah.

31:10.73
Bevo
Oh, Lord.

31:13.37
Mad Dog
My brother is a cool kid.

31:14.54
Bevo
Malaysia.

31:16.66
Mad Dog
i hang out with him, but I don't feel as popular. I don't understand. i too am genius.

31:23.16
gav
Oh my God.

31:26.94
Mad Dog
um

31:27.01
Chibbs
Oh, no.

31:27.29
gav
oh my God.

31:28.31
Mad Dog
And then and then comment another comment from the same guy about 30 seconds later.

31:28.60
gav
I like this.

31:34.04
Mad Dog
Other than that, I have one friend who doesn't support me.

31:38.23
Bevo
he had to come back and say that.

31:38.42
gav
Oh my god!

31:39.80
Mad Dog
ha

31:39.91
Bevo
ah Oh, boy.

31:41.24
gav
oh my god.

31:43.42
Bevo
I did find one just then.

31:43.41
gav
That's excellent.

31:44.42
Bevo
i don't know if you guys will find this as funny as I do, but it's two weeks ago, Marco Evans, 693. I'm more of a Bob Dylan guy, but I came back to hear this cute tune just for kicks. So he's just turned off.

31:54.71
Bevo
He's, once upon a time, you dress it so fine.

31:57.11
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:57.47
Bevo
Oh, that's enough of that. I wish that I could be like the cookin'.

32:00.31
Chibbs
be some cool good. Yeah. yeah

32:02.46
gav
I will say, of back on my um back of my upcoming fight, the um the one I was probably the most worried about is a drummer because I feel like drummers are usually the ones that are most jacked, you know, fucking beating the shit out drum kit all day.

32:14.97
gav
You get decent-sized arms. This comment says, the drummer was just 14 when this song was released. so there's So I think I might actually be on here because even if even a drummer, if they're 14...

32:21.66
Chibbs
Oh, yes! right, you're on, Gav.

32:23.22
Bevo
Is it for...

32:24.12
Chibbs
ah You're on here. Yeah, you're on. you could definitely fight 14-year-old.

32:30.48
Mad Dog
You're kicking the shit out of 14-year-old.

32:30.91
Chibbs
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Okay.

32:32.28
Mad Dog
Yeah.

32:32.82
gav
Yeah, I reckon can yeah he can have at it.

32:33.32
Chibbs
All right. All right.

32:34.78
gav
and i'm Yeah.

32:40.18
Chibbs
The song became a sleeper hit. It peaked at number 13 on the Billboard Hot 100. It received airplay in the US Modern Rock, Hot Adult Contemporary, and Contemporary Hit Radio Stations.

32:50.74
Chibbs
Number 13 on the Billboard charts.

32:53.11
Mad Dog
Okay.

32:53.62
Bevo
m

32:54.23
Chibbs
Old cool kids.

32:54.10
gav
Hot adult contemporary sounds like my fucking browser history, not a fucking American chart system.

32:59.22
Mad Dog
ah

33:01.75
Bevo
contemporary

33:01.75
Mad Dog
Ot adult.

33:04.63
Bevo
let's see what's in the news today

33:04.95
Chibbs
ah ah

33:05.10
Mad Dog
Contemporary.

33:17.12
Chibbs
All right, Echo Smith, I can only get a combined approximation of what the band is worth based on their publishing income, touring, streaming, that sort of stuff.

33:21.40
gav
Okay.

33:24.25
gav
Yeah.

33:28.82
Chibbs
So what do you put that at, Gav?

33:30.96
gav
I'm going... Oh, fuck. It's got to be low, right? I mean, they're still milking cool kids, ah like, for the name of a tour that in theatres. I don't know, man. I'm going three mil. Three mil.

33:43.60
Chibbs
All right,

33:46.40
Mad Dog
Assuming they were part of this commercial conspiracy, they would be feeding off crumbs.

33:54.01
gav
They would have got rung like a sponge, for sure.

33:55.32
Mad Dog
With that.

33:56.21
gav
Yeah.

33:56.89
Mad Dog
um Fuck it. Six mil.

34:01.25
Chibbs
dog. All

34:02.68
Bevo
I reckon it's mummy and daddy's money. I'm going to say 40 mil.

34:09.07
Chibbs
right, Bebe. $40 million?

34:09.85
gav
Jesus, fuck Bevo.

34:10.42
Bevo
Yeah, I'm suspicious. that this um um It stinks of like someone's got a lot of money and they're putting a lot of money into this because I don't see that it happening any other way.

34:12.24
Mad Dog
Echo Smith.

34:12.31
Chibbs
Echo Smith!

34:20.86
Bevo
it didn't happen organically, I'll say that much.

34:21.17
gav
Yeah, but that's not their net worth.

34:24.76
Bevo
Yeah, well, someone's putting them on tour.

34:28.15
Chibbs
ah Five million. Five million.

34:30.41
Bevo
yeah.

34:30.45
gav
Oh, Doggy just beat me to it.

34:30.62
Bevo
yeah

34:30.69
Mad Dog
Ooh. Okay.

34:34.09
Chibbs
There you go.

34:34.26
Mad Dog
Yeah.

34:34.70
gav
That's so funny.

34:34.97
Mad Dog
Okay.

34:35.18
gav
I nearly bumped it to four.

34:35.98
Chibbs
Oh, that

34:36.34
gav
You and me would have been tied, Doggy. That would been sick.

34:38.04
Chibbs
oh

34:38.04
Mad Dog
Yeah.

34:39.17
Chibbs
would have been interesting. All right, Gav!

34:47.35
Chibbs
Okay.

34:47.38
gav
Yeah, ripped their fucking arms off, man. I 100%.

34:49.37
Chibbs
please

34:50.26
gav
After those lyrics, I think ah there was there was a a couple of early indicators that I might perhaps have been bamboozled by their um fake limps. But no, I think they're all they're all weak gutted dogs and I'm going to tear them apart.

34:59.83
Mad Dog
ah and poles

35:03.26
Bevo
And like, if they were a little cooler, they could have, they could have run you over in their super fast car, but then they're not in it.

35:04.40
gav
They got no fucking hope.

35:08.43
gav
They're not in it.

35:11.58
Mad Dog
They're not cool enough.

35:11.72
gav
They're not in it.

35:13.17
Mad Dog
said They know exactly where they are.

35:13.18
gav
Yep.

35:16.26
Mad Dog
Yeah.

35:16.12
gav
So yeah, no, I'm going say I could comfortably, comfortably fight this entire band.

35:20.63
Bevo
Driving slowly with purpose.

35:22.49
Mad Dog
Yeah.

35:23.64
gav
Originally, I was going to say like ah um like a Pokemon gym situation where I'd fight them one after the other, but I think it'd be more entertaining to just have all four run at me at once.

35:32.98
Bevo
Yeah, like Kill Bill style.

35:32.86
gav
I'd i'd still knock them. I'd still fucking knock them out, man.

35:36.09
Chibbs
Let me give you the realistic – here's the realistic breakdown of the fight, according to

35:36.34
gav
Absolutely.

35:36.54
Mad Dog
Oh, okay.

35:41.62
Bevo
ah Yeah.

35:42.47
Mad Dog
Nice. Nice.

35:45.37
gav
If this ends with anything other than bloodshed.

35:46.04
Chibbs
i said I said, okay, this is good.

35:47.82
gav
Okay.

35:48.54
Chibbs
This is good.

35:48.76
Bevo
Did you put in Gavin's height and weight and age?

35:49.31
Chibbs
But I said, okay. No, no, just said, okay, could Gavin – and this is the base that ChatGPT has memory of every transcript of the podcast, everything that's ever been said is in there.

35:51.42
gav
ah

35:59.19
Bevo
okay All the times I've spoken to chat GPT about Gavin.

36:00.86
Chibbs
No, it's very – It has a very good idea of what Gavin is like. And it says, i said, could Gavin beat Echo Smith in a fight?

36:05.66
gav
ah okay

36:09.59
Chibbs
Short answer, yes. Longer answer, absolutely yes. It's not close.

36:17.24
Bevo
ah

36:17.69
Chibbs
And it says Echo Smith are four people, but they're operating at a collective disadvantage here.

36:19.06
gav
Oh, my God.

36:23.98
Chibbs
Gavin versus Echo Smith. Realistic breakdown. Gavin. Dot points. Single. Focused target. Adult male with podcast host stamina. Has probably carried speakers, amps, and emotional baggage.

36:33.20
gav
Oh, my God.

36:36.80
Chibbs
Knows how to commit to a bit, even when it gets messy.

36:38.97
Mad Dog
Wow.

36:40.98
Chibbs
Echo Smith. Indie pop energy built for harmony, not hand to hand. Fight instincts likely overridden by conflict avoidance and good vibes.

36:46.94
Bevo
Yeah.

36:52.26
Chibbs
High chance we pause to talk it out or write a song about instead. The fight itself. Opening moments. Confusion from Echo Smith. The middle phase. Gavin applies pressure.

37:04.12
Chibbs
Someone suggests meditation. End game. Echo Smith's retreat to regroup and process feelings. Verdict. Kevin wins! There you go. There you go.

37:14.83
Mad Dog
Process feelings.

37:15.63
Chibbs
There you go.

37:15.67
Bevo
Brilliant. Very good.

37:16.43
Chibbs
Okay.

37:16.47
gav
oh my god oh my god that's fucking I used to be pretty anti-ai but now I'm like yeah no chat GPT you're alright you're my fucking boy I'll go in to fight for you I'll feed you water

37:24.31
Chibbs
there you go there go

37:26.33
Mad Dog
That is great.

37:35.40
Mad Dog
Oh, that's really good.

37:37.69
Chibbs
okay

37:37.98
gav
It's a fun segment. I'm looking forward to someone else's turn. I feel like it keeps picking me.

37:41.94
Chibbs
It's a wheel that's spinning. I don't know what you meant to do.

37:44.11
Mad Dog
It's a whale.

37:44.28
gav
No, no, I know. I know. It's random. but

37:46.42
Chibbs
um Okay, what are we going to roll out of? ah

37:50.62
gav
heart how many How many holes you've got in the ventricles of your heart?

37:51.19
Bevo
fast fast cars or

37:54.78
Chibbs
holes in the heart

37:55.78
Mad Dog
Weak, weak hearts.

37:56.25
gav
all

37:56.82
Chibbs
Weak heart 10, you've got the weakest of hearts, so much so that it stops and you die. One is you have a hole in your heart and you are severely disabled for life.

38:08.69
gav
ah

38:12.18
Chibbs
But alive, but alive. What do you give this out of 10, Bevo?

38:18.58
Bevo
want Like four years ago, I would have said 10. Easy. Easy, straight away, 10.

38:23.42
Chibbs
Yeah. Oh no, yeah, you wrote a letter about it.

38:26.78
Bevo
yeah You could actually...

38:27.48
gav
But this is today.

38:27.86
Mad Dog
A letter.

38:28.06
Bevo
you could

38:28.23
gav
This is today, Bevo.

38:29.88
Bevo
It was like sign in, like make an account and have your say.

38:30.10
Chibbs
Yeah, today.

38:32.40
Bevo
And I did just so I could be like, stop playing this.

38:35.42
gav
yeah

38:36.15
Bevo
It's, it's shite. It's just come off the fucking pop songwriting conveyor belt into my lap, into my hot lap. And I've brushed it out immediately. So nine and a half, nine and a half.

38:46.74
Chibbs
so laptop This lap's hot.

38:46.87
gav
ah

38:47.40
Chibbs
This lap's hot. It's too hot to have things on it.

38:48.93
gav
accidentally stroked your dick on the way through and that's why you can't give it a 10.

38:49.49
Bevo
Fuck

38:54.14
Bevo
it. Sure.

38:55.51
Chibbs
What do you give it?

38:56.98
Bevo
Nine and a half.

38:58.47
Chibbs
Oh, all right, Gav.

38:59.32
gav
Oh, shit.

39:00.17
Bevo
Line and taste.

39:02.21
Mad Dog
Yeah.

39:02.90
gav
Yeah, i don't I don't hate this song. It's like, it's not um it's it's it's not a fucking masterstroke of the craft, but it's pretty unoffensive. I don't know. I think it's a crazy frog four for me.

39:14.32
gav
It's just like one of those songs that was like,

39:15.13
Chibbs
Ring-a-ding-ding. Bam-bam.

39:16.66
gav
it was it was It was there at the time. It's not anymore. um I'm not going to lose sleep over that. you know It's a four.

39:24.16
Chibbs
Okay, fair enough. Doggy.

39:27.16
Mad Dog
Yeah, this is this is a rare moment where Gav and I are both a four. We're both exactly the same.

39:33.13
Chibbs
Ring-a-ding-ding.

39:33.23
gav
Oh.

39:33.93
Chibbs
Bam-bam.

39:33.88
gav
Oh.

39:34.14
Mad Dog
um

39:34.71
Chibbs
Bam-bam-bam-bam-bam-bam-bam.

39:35.81
Mad Dog
Yeah, it's, you know, it's I like it a little bit more than being weak gutted about it, but it's not something I'll ever listen to or think about again after, right?

39:37.21
Chibbs
if

39:37.63
gav
Yeah.

39:43.99
gav
Yeah.

39:49.36
Bevo
Yeah, that's it.

39:49.74
Mad Dog
Now.

39:49.66
gav
Yeah, i'm not um i'm not I'm not adding it to my playlists.

39:52.04
Bevo
Not scrolling back from here on.

39:52.47
gav
Yeah.

39:52.69
Chibbs
Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

39:53.90
gav
Nice. Yeah.

39:54.46
Mad Dog
Yeah, exactly.

39:55.51
gav
ah

39:55.83
Chibbs
I ended up just on the other side of the wheat gutter dog fence and landed on a six. Because i I'd heard the chorus a million times, but I hadn't heard the any of the other bits.

40:02.97
Bevo
You guys haven't heard it enough.

40:02.94
gav
nice

40:03.31
Mad Dog
Yeah,

40:07.87
Chibbs
I'm like, fucking whatever. This is just whatever. Yeah, it pisses me off little bit, but not enough to...

40:11.32
gav
yeah

40:14.20
Chibbs
Yeah, it's more that the guitarists or bass player, whoever, was fucking molesting people. That really irked me.

40:21.17
Mad Dog
yeah it's not a good thing.

40:22.10
Bevo
I hate when that happens.

40:23.97
gav
Well, don't worry, I'm going beat the shit out of him.

40:24.34
Chibbs
yeah Lucky Gavin's beaten him in a fight.

40:25.91
Mad Dog
yeah

40:29.62
gav
ah

40:31.10
Chibbs
That is lucky. um All right.

40:34.30
Bevo
that

40:34.40
Chibbs
Thanks, fellas. Everybody else, go and get fucked.

40:35.75
Bevo
See you later.

40:39.20
Mad Dog
Nice.

40:39.45
Bevo
No shirt this week. Not a one.

41:03.10
Mad Dog
i