This episode is about Jake Strack and his road to adult hood. There is not a straight path. There can and will be twists and turn and it is part of the process. Jake has a belief that most people don't know what they are doing. They are possibly the expert at their area but not at all areas. Be willing to fail, fail often fail fast. Jake talks about Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Find our contact information on our website!
And the ability to connect to and with people with Mingle!
As well as the ability to ask the mom question.
This episode is about Jake Strack and his road to adult hood. There is not a straight path. There can and will be twists and turn and it is part of the process. Jake has a belief that most people don't know what they are doing. They are possibly the expert at their area but not at all areas. Be willing to fail, fail often fail fast. Jake talks about Hanlon's razor "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Find our contact information on our website!
And the ability to connect to and with people with Mingle!
As well as the ability to ask the mom question.
Welcome to Adulting Decrypted. We are your hosts. I'm Gene, and I'm starting my first year of college. I'm Ashton. I'm a music performer, composer, and educator. I'm Gene, a high school senior. I'm Roscoe, the dad. Those are my three sons, and this is Adulting Decrypted, where we discuss ways to become adults and the things we need to know to be successful in life.
Dad:Today. We're really excited to have Jake Strack from Miingl with us today, and he's going to share some details and about how to be an adult as a serial entrepreneur. We're really excited to have him on the show and teach us more about our, entrepreneurial spirit. As everybody knows as a listener that we all like to create and develop, and we're excited about to find a common So, Jake, go ahead and introduce yourself a little bit.
Jake:Yeah. I'm Jake Strack, a COO and co founder of Miingl, which is M I I N G L no E. We're a video conferencing application that we're looking to revolutionize the way people connect online. I like to say that we're, bringing the promise of making the world a smaller place that was promised by the internet back in 1988 or late eighties. when Al Gore invented it, right? And Al Gore invented it. Yes, exactly. And I think that we have the capability to actually deliver on that promise because what we need is face to face communication and Miingl allows for that.
Dad:You know, we love it. We've talked a lot about how we're losing some of that. There's so many transactional relationships and we're missing out on some of that connectivity relationship. So that seems like a really neat technology.
Jake:Thank you. Yeah, we hope so.
Ashton:Yeah, you're talking with us about the concept just before we started And it actually to me, it's like, I think I'm into that. I think I could use that because I think 1 thing that happened after. covid is definitely a loss of a lot of human connection in a lot of ways where we went to rely on technology, but the technology infrastructure didn't really facilitate, the social lifestyle that I think humanity craves a lot of ways.
Jake:Did you guys notice that afterwards in the events, when you went out to events and started meeting with people again, we all reverted back to fart jokes. Because we didn't know how to talk to each other anymore. It was so, I was sitting in, I was sitting in a bar outside and everybody's smoking. And I just noticed that everybody started reverting to those childhood jokes because we literally didn't know how to talk to one another. It was so weird. It's
Ashton:crazy, crazy how fast that skill needs to be rebuilt.
Dad:And you know, it's interesting. It is a common ground. The kids were just talking. My daughter is a school teacher now, and there were some sayings you guys had as kids. That we're still active in the school. And they're like, this is the first time you've ever heard it. And she's like, no, this has been around for, as long as I've been around, elementary school. I can't remember what they were right off the top of my head. You guys got this?
Gideon:They were Bill Nye quotes. Oh, it's like Bill Nye. The science guy, but he was like filling in with different things.
Dad:So, so it doesn't surprise me, Jake, that we go back to what we're comfortable with. All right. What, what we know.
Jake:Well, you know, you always part joke always delivers a good laugh.
Dad:That's that's true. That's true. Potty humor, potty humor is still alive and well at the Allen household.
Jake:default to dad jokes. You've you've heard, I heard, I heard a great one today that made me bust up laughing. Yeah, it was milk is the fastest liquid because it's past your eyes before you even see it. Nice. That is a good one. I'll admit that took me a second. You got there. well, hey Gideon when does a joke become a dad joke?
Gideon:When's that?
Jake:When it's a parent,
Gideon:I got that one faster, a lot faster, I would hope so.
Dad:So Jake, you, you're visiting as we visited a little bit, you mentioned that you've had quite the career to, to get to where you've created Miingl. Can you share with the listener and let the boys ask you some questions about entrepreneur and the road to get to where you've got. And it might not be the straight path that we all envision.
Jake:Yeah. Well, you know, along the way you make it, you make a lot of mistakes. And it's really interesting when you're now, I'm now 42. I'm pretty successful. And you look back at it and you realize that that whole time you thought you looked up to people that were me or people that are of large companies, or even people that work at like Pentagon. now I realize that when I've talked to these people, nobody knows what they're doing. Which is kind of a scary thing, but it's also relieving, especially if you were younger to understand that nobody knows what they're doing. And so my background is I started my career as an operations manager for this company called swamp tech, which did evaporative cooler service. And I eventually became the owner of that company. I took a 2nd mortgage out and bought it and that's how I started my entrepreneur. Life,
Dad:hey, can I ask you a question? Yeah, go ahead. when you're getting ready to buy that and take out that second mortgage and really kind of buy in, do you buy into that so I bought a zoo, 30 seconds of, crazy insanity, mindset, or did you spend months calculating it and trying to figure out your risk ratio? Where do you fall on that line?
Jake:Well, it was a, it was an opportunity and I knew it was an opportunity. I had worked for the company for long enough. And so the whole story is my stepfather had purchased the company for a place for his kids to work. I came on as the operations manager. And he was a CPA and he was 1 of those finger on the pulse guys, you know, he had to know what was going on and he was super stressed out 1 day. And I said, hey, pops, what are you looking to get out of this thing? You know, like, what's your motivation? And he, goes, you know, and honestly, I just want what I put into it. And we had already 2 extra 3 X, the size of the company by that point. So I went. Well, that's a no brainer. I'll buy it off of you and I'll figure out how and so I went and figured out how to Get the money to buy the company
Dad:You know what? I love about that is is that when you started as the operations manager That wasn't your intent necessarily to buy that company you were in there You were working and then also you're like this is kind of a cool business. I could see myself doing this, you know as a job and then you pursued that opportunity so I think a lot of times we get to work and we start thinking about all the things we hate about our job or the things we can't change, but instead you kind of said, okay, what's the opportunity? So thank you for sharing that. I think that's good for us. It's not always outside of where you're at. Sometimes it's inside of where you're at and you can find that chance.
Jake:I mean, isn't it the joke that, the man makes plans and God laughs.
Dad:You want to make God laugh? Tell him your plans. Yep. That's what, that's what I heard it. Yeah. I do believe that way. You say I've had a few more years of practice. I'm 50, so you'll get there.
Jake:I, you don't have that much on me. I turned. Happy birthday. so, I got into that. And it was really a no brainer because we had already grown 3 times the size. And then when I took it over it's almost like the floodgates opened, right? Because I was able to finally do all the things that. I thought we're best and the ego trip that comes with that when you're, when you 16 X a company, Is and you take over 90, 98 percent of a market is absurd. Nobody can tell you what you're doing wrong. You know, like, it's. It's really difficult. But at the same time, you're also in the stage of imposter syndrome, I remember when I finally had to make the choice that what I'm playing with is monopoly money. And I pretended that I was playing monopoly instead of actually playing with money because it was just so much easier for me to. Live my normal life and come over here and then spend money the way I needed to spend money for a business, And to take advantage of the opportunity that came, even when the 2008 hit and everybody pulled back on advertising. I went more in, I went, okay, that's when I should actually, it's going to spend better if I take over. So I was very risk averse. I jumped into things head 1st and that's really what got me into my 1st mistake. And my 1st mistake was not accepting the beast for what it was. I had a very successful company. It was seasonal. So I had to get rid of people. I had 32 employees at 1 point. But I kept trying to hold on to my employees. I kept trying to build a bridge and start another company. And that's where it started to kind of fall apart. If I had really looked at it. And went, you know, what, what swamp tech is, is it's a seasonal company. I would have taken instead of putting 80 grand into TV advertising, I would have put that into training and been able to churn people out real fast. But. I was at a conference and I was listening to somebody, the business instructor from the, you who had started something like 100 businesses, they did a panel and I raised my hand and I'm like, hey, what, what should I be spending on advertising? He gave me the generic answer of. If you're a growing company should be spending 8 to 10 percent and I'm like, well, that's a lot of money. So I might as well do TV advertising, you know, because I have to, and that was a mistake. my situation did not apply to what he was saying. And that just goes to show you, you know, once again, he gave me the textbook answer. But he didn't actually give me the right answer because he didn't know what he was talking about in my situation.
Dad:That, you know, what's interesting about that is you said, as you're growing a business to 16 X and, I don't know if you guys know what that means. 16 X when he's throws that number out, do you guys,
Gene:that sound like 16 times more
Dad:that's it. he's grown his sales by 16%. So if it was a million dollars in sales, he's now doing 16 million in sales. Am I capturing that flavor? Right? So, you said originally that when you were making that kind of money and having that kind of success, nobody can tell you anything, And so I found it interesting that the UU guy you're sitting there going, huh, there's one question I do have. And then he told you the wrong, answer. And that's when you jumped on. and I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I just think it's interesting that sometimes we hear the experts advice. But we don't understand the expert's perspective. He did a hundred companies. He knows what he's talking about, but does he know what I need to do? I'm not saying question everything, but, check it maybe with your gut. Or when did you know it was the wrong decision? Were you well down that path?
Jake:I would say I would have probably been able to recover from that one. And we would have been okay. I will say that the positive to that is. Our name became the name for swamp coolers in Salt Lake City, we owned 98 percent of the market before we left, before we sold, which is a massive, a massive amount, and there were other issues, like I said, I didn't accept it for what it was, I did things like I started Christmas lighting, and I tried to get into that. you would look at me and go, Hey, he's successful. He knows what he's talking about. But I didn't, I didn't know how to technically scale a business. I had never scaled before. I barely had just started a business. And it's one of those things that. The combination of the decisions I've made were ultimately the reason why it failed. And honestly, one of the things that you learn in business as an entrepreneur is that if you can't step away from the business and have the business run, you don't have a viable business. You have another job, right? I was telling my
Dad:wife that I've had a couple of good jobs that I've called my own business, as a consultant, it's all hinted upon what I go in and fix and do and improve. So I like that. I think that's good advice to us.
Jake:and so, I think I just told my kids that I was recording a podcast in the background, which is all good. But ultimately it was a combination of things and not accepting it for what it was and not really honestly, like I said, not knowing what I was doing near the time. So I had a lot of personal things happen. I had my brother and his wife and their three kids commit suicide. Which was international news. my wife left me at the time. And I was also dealing with repressed memories from childhood abuse and I, at that moment realized something. I said, I'm the biggest hurdle for the company, which was actually kind of an interesting moment for me was realizing that I'm the 1 holding us back and I can clearly see it because I was in the state. I was in. And so I went, okay, you know what, let's hire a CEO to take over for me. And if I'm hiring a CEO, I got to pay him year round. So, therefore, we probably have to get into heating. Let's go ahead and do that. And so I got a CEO, we worked out a deal to get our funding for our 1st year of heating. week before our heating department was supposed to open, our investor pulled. And so we were dead in the water. and then we sold off the pieces, right? It was just like, well, you know, we did our best. We tried our best. And so we sold everything off.
Ashton:So, I kind of wanted to ask about this while you're talking about this whole thing, because you were in this situation where you felt like You're the biggest fish in the pond, right? And imposter syndrome is something that I think about frequently. So like in the moment Or even looking back on that now when you're bringing in another ceo were you aware of the feelings of imposter syndrome? Did you take a lot of consideration into those about the decisions you made at that time? Because it sounds quick in a story. I was going to say getting successful so quickly But that's not always how that feels, it's just an interesting thought to me that to be the biggest fish and still be like, I don't know what's going on.
Jake:Well, it brings me to one of my favorite thought experiments of all time. Right. Is now let's just imagine for anybody who's listening. I'm going to write the number one, and then I'm going to write a lowercase L, and then I'm going to write an uppercase I. And they all look the same, right? And it's not in that order is what I'm writing it. if you ask me why it's this way, I'm going to tell you it's because nobody knows what
they're
Ashton:doing.
Jake:we claim to know what we're doing. We might have a good idea, but ultimately we don't know. I think when you, humble yourself in that way. You realize that even the top CEOs C suite people, when you get into conference room with them, they may be experts in an area, but they still don't know what they're doing. They're just really good at pretending
Ashton:they do and that's something you probably would draw comfort from and then in the position that you were in.
Jake:absolutely. Well, and even in my position now, I mean, I deal with people that are, I dealt with a lot of C level people in my time. I've done big data health before this and I was dealing with doctors. I was dealing with people that were way more educated than I ever had been. And they were some of the ones that helped me realize how much that's true that people just don't know what they're doing, they might know something and that's okay. But if you're a child, and you're looking at this, what I recommend is by knowing that, you know, that that means that you have that freedom to step into something that you don't know how to do. And work on it and, you know, it honestly fell, just keep failing at it because you're going to learn, It hurts when you fell you stub your toe, you figure out that you're not going to kick the side of the stove anymore. you touch the stove and you burn yourself. You learn that's failure. Right? And that's how humans are meant to work. And that's how entrepreneurship works. It's like. Test something else the hesitation of trying to know before you execute is going to destroy your success,
Ashton:Well, taking comfort in the fact that you're not infallible. Therefore, no 1 else is. So, it's, you can just go for it.
Dad:That's a very freeing mindset I would have to echo that and take as somebody who's been in a lot of big rooms and I, I tell people, I don't know that I'm a conspiracy theorist as much as I believe that people are promoted to their highest level of incompetency and then that's what we get, and so everybody's like, no, it's a conspiracy theorist. I'm like, okay, maybe, but the reality is, I think most people are just not as good as we think they are. You know, they put their pants on one leg at a time and, you know, they have to do their hair or not, if you're like me,
Jake:they're still fixing their hair in the mirror, if they see themselves, you know, like have you ever heard do you know Hanson's razor? You heard that Hanson's razor, anybody know what I'm talking about on that? So razors are things were, I believe it's Greek and Hans the most popular is the simplest answer is often the correct one, and that's Hanson's razor. There's this one called Hamlet's razor, which might be my favorite, and it is do not attempt to describe with malice that can be described with stupidity.
Dad:Oh, I like that. That might be the tagline, right? That might be the tagline of this episode, right? because if you look at that as saying, Hey, most people aren't out to harm me, They don't either know any better or they're stupid. either one of those are freeing thoughts, you know, and they just don't get it. someday they'll go through these crisises where they get knocked off their, success pattern or, go through their trials. I like that.
Jake:Well, and even let's, let's take it internally too. What about the situation where. We beat ourselves up over things that there's no way we could have known. Right. We, we keep ourselves up at night worrying about how we harmed someone, but really the, honestly, the smartest thing you can do and the best thing you could do for ever harming someone or, a perceived harm to your family or whatever is to learn, right. Is to develop and learn from what just happened. Right. it's part of the reason, like I say, why Miingl is so important because if I'm talking to you face to face. If I say something that hurts Ashton's feelings, I'm going to see that I'm going to fill the mirror neurons are going to hit me and I'm going to feel that pain. And so now I know to correct that answer But now, if I say something, it makes Gideon smile and happy. I know that I just did that. So I now I'm going to adjust the way I communicate and the way I am to develop a better communication with the people that are around me.
Dad:And it sounds like Miingl allows you to, to reach out to that individual, right? That's, that's one of the neatnesses of the app, right? Or the tool.
Jake:Yeah. So imagine you're in a room with 20 people and you see one person you want to talk to, you can click on them and it'll cluster to them. And now you're in a separate little conversation and everybody can see in the venue that you're clustered. So they can come join you guys, or they can go do their own. And so it looks just like the real world. So think when I walk into a venue in the real world, I see a bunch of people and I see people clustered together. That's how Miingl looks. And then I can click on those clusters or I can click on that individual. And so it allows for that real communication and that real free flow, as an
Dad:individual who might be involved in many different circuits, you could jump over into one and say, Hey guys, that was fun getting to know you. I'm going to go bounce over here. And as somebody who's an introvert maybe might stay in that one cluster with real deep conversation a meaningful conversation to them. That's neat
Ashton:Yeah, well, I think a lot of what we're mentioning about and this might be too I don't know if this is a good question or not. But we're talking a lot about like how Like interacting with people and recognizing people's situations and things like that with Miingl Have you guys thought about stuff like the apple vision stuff? Like are you going to have a situation where people are going to be in person chatting with each other now? Or is it more of just a room to room?
Jake:I mean, it's a good question. And I do like the, it's not you were going to say that. I don't know if this is a dumb question and I'll tell you right now. There's never ever a dumb question. There's dumb answers. And there's even dumber people who give those dumb answers yeah, it's not malice, it's just stupidity. what I can see happening with the way it's set up, and we're kind of betting the opposite direction, Miingl is betting more on a simplistic 2 dimensional computer screen, but it is possible to use those same kind of technologies to where I'm there with AR and I have my goggles on and I can see these little bubbles and I can connect with people. That are there on their computer or that are there in person. Right? And so it can kind of blend that communication, but that's down the road. by that time, I'm hoping that I've sold the company and that's somebody else's problem.
Ashton:So, do you find the most joy from building stuff then? Building stuff to sell it, or is it more of like just any passion project that you get, it's kind of fun to just work on.
Jake:I wish I lived in a world where I could just ideate all the time. Ideation for me, solving problems is. I mean, I have, a, I have a pitch deck that has 85 inventions in it because I have to write'em down. And if I don't, then it keep me up at night. But what I'm learning more and more is that I should stop falling in love with good ideas, and I should start falling in love with difficult problems. Wow. Like, and the reason being is'cause. If you really, really start to research problems, then you can actually bring about a solution. That's powerful ideas. When it's created are always looking for a problem to solve. I'm, I think you start on the problem side, and you're going to do a lot better for anybody that wants to study that a little bit further. Look at, like, the mom test. It's a really good book. About how to solicit advice from your mom without getting her to lie to you about your idea.
Ashton:I'm gonna have to check that out because that is that is definitely something that well, so A little bit about me is I, like to write music and stuff. And part of the challenge of showing music to your friends or your family is everyone feels obligated to be like, Oh yeah, that's awesome.
Dad:Or we don't know any better in all fairness.
Ashton:Oh yeah, cool. Sure. Why not?
Dad:I told the action when he did marching band, I was like, did we do good or did we do bad? You know,
Ashton:I'm not smart enough to know. I've been lucky enough. Every time I show my mom's stuff, she's always like, Yeah, why is that happening though? What about this though? And it's been good because I'm like, sweet. Thanks. Yeah, try to live with it for 30 years. I mean,
Jake:I love you. I love you. You know what? They just challenge you to be better. That's how it works. Those, you know, honestly, those are the best people in the world for you, like, for any entrepreneurs, somebody who can what I like to say is suffocating the baby in the crib is the best possible thing you can do. And I know that sounds awful. But what I'm saying is, I just presented you with my ego. Here's my great idea. And I'm so excited about it. Crush my hopes and dreams. Please. Because if you can crush them with your words, that means it's not a good idea. Wow, that's so strong.
Ashton:Yeah.
Dad:I mean, it just gives you a different, idea to look at. Right. So I had, I've had a pet project that I've hidden for a while because I didn't know where I felt, you know, I wasn't ready for that, ego to be crushed. Right. So I've been very careful. that's powerful to think about.
Jake:Well, and how much time did you save me? And guess what I just did? I just felt, and then I learned, and now I'm adapting. So, if I'm trying to solve this problem and I come up with an idea and I bring that idea to somebody and they murder that idea that I felt I learned I go back to the problem and I keep trying to solve the problem. It doesn't mean that I stopped But I'm focused on that instead of the solution that I love my ego over here. The problems over here.
Ashton:Right? Well, I always like to say, like, when it comes to conversations, not about what is right, but more is who is right. And what is best for us? Because when people get to the what is right phase, they don't allow their ego to be crushed. But I, would you say that that lesson came to you, going back to the swamp cooler business when you were in that phase, do you think you still held that same perspective as you do now? Or did that come, over time?
Jake:No, I was still very egotistical even after the company was gone, I thought I knew business. I thought I was a salesperson, which I realized I wasn't. I just happened to own an itch. And I got humbled quite a few times after that. Like I thought I knew what I was talking about and I would try something and I realized that I didn't. I'll give you examples. I fell in love with the EDM scene at the age of 35. after I sold off the company and got divorced. And I started throwing events because it was like, you know, this looks pretty easy. I've run businesses for years and honestly, I lost money constantly throwing events and it is really difficult to be successful at throwing events. And I thought I was just going to come in there and it wouldn't be a problem because I knew business and I was going to be able to do something similar to what I had done in the evaporative cooler market, which was to change the market. Just tweak it here and there and actually make something that works better. And people would show up and trying to get in that market, trying to get into entertainment it's not, it's not the same. And so I got humbled. I realized real fast that. Yeah I don't know how to mobilize people. I don't know how to mobilize a big group of people to go to an event. I don't know how to make that happen. And most people would say that I probably wasn't unsuccessful at that. I mean, my event group. We did end up Getting 600 people to the middle of the desert for a music festival, but ultimately that still didn't pay the bills. You know, it was like, and so you look at these other guys that are doing it and they're paying their bills with doing shows and you're like, I'm, I'm lost. I don't even, I can't even figure out how they're pulling it off. it was through those Times of failure again, and again, that kind of humbled me and allowed me to learn. And I'm telling you, if you start out with humble and you start out, I don't know what I'm doing. And when you fail, you're like, that's not a bad thing. That means that's my opportunity to learn. Then you're going to get a lot. Oh,
Dad:sorry. I'm going to cut you off real quick. I think that's got to be some of our own mental game though. Is is to be okay with that failure because it's not even on the outside world because I look at something that you try And go I didn't even perceive it as a failure, right? I didn't I didn't perceive that in their action or that that thing you tried as a failure as as the observer I'd just be like, oh, that's kind of cool. At least you tried it, you know, at least you put yourself out there But me internally I might have said oh I failed and then to your point I chew it up all night over and over and over and over Instead of saying, Hey, I failed. That's cool. What lesson did I learn, you know, or do I get out of events altogether?
Ashton:Well, and for me, the interesting conversation that comes up there is I haven't found the word for it yet. I was trying to find it as you're talking through there too. But is finding the line between humility, but then also not maybe self deprecation. because I know for me when it comes to oh, I know I can't do that thing A lot of times instead of being a creative force of like, oh, I can't do that thing Let me figure that out. It becomes more of a I can't do that thing. I don't know how to do that thing and so Meh, you know And so like finding finding a line where humility breeds that that desire to fail
Jake:Well, I think it's humility in the idea that I don't know. I can't tell you that. I know that. humility should never be. I can't do that. I don't know that, but I can do it. I'll figure it out. I'm tenacious. that's 1 of my, like, if you looked at my top 3 values, that's 1 thing I value the most is I'm tenacious. I'll figure it out. Eventually, you know, like, you're not going to get rid of me that easy. But it's so I can do it. I just don't know how to yet, and I don't know it yet. And that's the humility is staying in that space of not knowing and being coachable and learning from what's coming to me
Gene:quote from Thomas Edison, where he says, I didn't fail time. I found a thousand ways the lightbulb doesn't work.
Jake:That's a good one. I like Thomas Edison's one. Although, didn't he just steal the lightbulb?
Gene:If he stole the lightbulb, then he can steal the quote. I don't care.
Jake:It's, you know what? He can have it. He stole the light bulb I'm sure the person who came up with the quote wasn't too angry about it. They were probably more about angry about the light. That's light bulb being stolen.
Dad:Gideon as the youngest, as the youngest member, does this resonate with you? Any thoughts on it?
Gideon:About which part?
Dad:Just the whole concept of failure or, you know, the, the learning as you go, or people, people are genuinely don't have the best answer, right? Because how many times have we said, Oh, what are you going to be when you grow up? Oh, that's dumb. Well, we never say that. We're like, Oh, that's cool. Maybe you can't. What are your thoughts on any, any of that?
Gideon:my brain's been running a lot and I've been doing a lot of thinking. There's one Ted talk, actually, I'm sure most of us have heard it, but it's the guy doing, I can't remember if it was like 30 or 90 days. But he was like, I strive to fail every single day. so he would try something hard. He's like the first day I'm going to ask somebody for a hundred dollars because he knew he would fail. Like he knew he'd fail and it was, it was actually on rejection, but the idea is the same that the more you do it, the less it feels like failure and the more it feels like learning. my brain went I thought it was kind of interesting,
Dad:thank you for the share. that's great. Because really this conversation is, you know, Ashton's following it and he's, you know, it's making sense. He's like, Hey, this is where I'm at in my journey, but we got to remember those listeners that aren't there, right? What did they get from this feeding? What do they take away? So I appreciate your insight to say, Hey, rejection, failure, you can lump it. kind of all together. I'm afraid to ask the pretty girl out. I'm afraid to, whatever, go to the gym. I'm afraid to, dance in the rain. I don't know. Maybe I'm afraid to dance in the, because of lightning, but
Jake:I always tell my kids, but I don't think they listen is like, if you don't ask,
Dad:that's a good one. If we just ask, we got so many cool things when we'd say, Hey, can we do this? And people look at you and go, I've never been asked or, or we pretend like we know what we're doing. We've, we found that to be the easiest way To get away with stuff,
Jake:I mean, the group of my friends have talked about hiring people to pretend that they're there's secret service people or, bodyguards and have them roll up in an black SUV, and walk into like a club or something and be like, Hey, Jake's tracks on his way in, whatever you want him and see where they put us. And then, you know, like, when I show up and I come with my entourage, they're like, Oh yeah, we got this room over here for you. If you want someone, I'd help.
Gideon:I think that'd be awesome. I also volunteered to be a bodyguard.
Gene:I don't think I'm big enough, but I'll drive a car.
Jake:I'll only need multiple cars. It's gotta look real. But ultimately that would prove my, that would prove my point that nobody knows what they're doing. Right. Cause if I showed up and they put me in a room, that would really tell them. That's awesome. Especially
Dad:if we do something like the eagle has landed. Well, that's great, man. I really appreciate the conversation and, and I know I've learned a lot And Jake, I'll be honest. I could talk to you all night, but we need to need to be conscious of the listener and the timeframe of our episodes. So thank you so much for jumping on and talking about, your failure, your success, what you're doing with Miingl any, thoughts that, if it was like, Hey, this is you know, I don't want it to be like too dark, but like gravestone or what, what would you want to make sure it gets passed on from your message and your growing and your learning?
Jake:Hmm. Enjoy it, Enjoy the failure. Enjoy the journey. it's a blast, man. Like if you're not failing, you're not having fun, get out there and get beat up and learn. it makes life so much more entertaining.
Dad:That is it. That's a great way to finish. Thank you so much for your time. Thanks for jumping on in such a last minute. Really appreciated it. Thanks for spending time and teaching the boys and stuff. the power and your passion about it is, is contagious. You know, we could, we could bottle this up and share it every day and not get enough of it. So thank you.
Jake:Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you all for listening and And, and I love your guys's podcast premise. I like the idea of having your kids on here and teaching deep decoding adult. Cause you know, ultimately it's, that's, that's probably the most important thing we can do is teach the younger generations how to navigate a little bit better. Yeah. See you. Thank you so much.
Dad:Yeah, that's powerful. So thank you.
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