031 - Sail Away With The Wayward Life!

Taryn and Logan have given up traditional living and are working on realizing their dreams of sailing around the world from their home base in Canada.  They have been documenting their trials, tribulations and triumphs on their fantastic YouTube channel, called "The Wayward Life".

In this episode, we talk to them from their newest boat, Papa Rumba about what it has taken to get to this point in their sailing adventure, their plans for the future and so much more.  Of course talk about diving and photography along the way, and even get to meet their doggie crew member, Max.

So, put on your captains hat, practice tying some knots while you listen to 2 of the nicest folks you've ever met explain how adventurous life is like out on the high seas!

[Photo Courtesy of Mae Ying and Marty Bowles]

The Wayward Life Social Media:
YouTube: The Wayward Life
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thewaywardlife
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.wayward.life/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thewaywardlife/
Webpage: https://www.the-wayward-life.com

In other news, it's our 1 year anniversary! Thanks to our loyal listeners for sticking with us this long, and telling your friends about us.

Check Out Dalton's Class During the Kelby One Online Conference:
https://kelbyonelive.com/outdoor-conference?af=outdoordalton


More Info About The Aquatic Life
Check out more great podcasts and other great dive info on our website: http://theaquaticlifepodcast.com

You can subscribe to The Aquatic Life on iTunes, Google Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, and all major podcast apps (RSS)

Email us questions and comments at feedback@theaquaticlifepodcast.com

The Aquatic Life Social Media Pages:
Twitter: AquaticLifePod
Facebook: TheAquaticLifePodcast
Instagram: TheAquaticLifePodcast

Help Us Grow The Community:
*** Please take the time to rate and review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast content from.  It would help us to grow the community and means a lot to us.  Thanks!***

Transcript

Introduction

Speaker 5 0:00

This is Logan. And Taryn from the Wayward Life. And you're listening to the Aquatic Life Podcast.

Todd 0:13

Welcome to the Aquatic Life, a podcast about diving, underwater photography, and adventure travel. I'm Todd Reimer, and with me as always is Dalton Ham. Hey Dalton.

Speaker 2 0:23

Hey, what's going on, everybody? Hey, Todd.

Todd 0:25

Welcome back from hiatus. It's been a few months.

Speaker 2 0:28

Right. Been a busy few months.

Todd 0:31

Yeah, both Dalton and I have been swamped getting our life back in order. Uh, we both got uh new gigs lined up to keep us away from uh being able to arrange our schedules to create a new podcast. But we are back to celebrate our one-year anniversary from starting uh the aquatic life. Woo! So congratulations on that.

Speaker 2 0:52

And vaccinations. Vaccinations are always a good thing.

Todd 0:55

Exactly. So we're looking forward to starting real life anytime in the very near future. So uh we got some uh great guests lined up for you in the future, but before we jump into that, why don't we uh catch up and talk about what we've been up to and what we've got going on the last uh couple months and what we've got uh in the pan coming up. So, Dalton, why don't you hit us up and let everyone know what's been going on with you?

Speaker 2 1:18

Yeah, everything's been going really good. Um lots of stuff going on. I've got a move going on. Uh but the exciting stuff is that uh Kelby One approached me about speaking at their outdoor photography conference. So I'll be teaching a class on underwater photography on May 18th and 19th.

Todd 1:41

And for those who don't know, tell people what Kelby One is because a lot of our listeners may not even be familiar with them.

Speaker 2 1:47

So Kelby One is a online education, um photography based. So pretty much anything you want to learn about photography from travel, fashion, uh a little bit of adventure, lots of sports, uh a lot of educational classes on photography.

Todd 2:10

Right on. And so now you'll be the uh the main go-to guy for this conference for all things underwater photography.

Speaker 2 2:17

Uh that's the plan.

Todd 2:18

What can people go check this out if they're interested?

Speaker 2 2:21

So people can go to kelby1live.com and just click on the outdoor photography conference, or there will be a link in the show notes, and if you find me on Instagram or Facebook, there'll be links on there as well.

Todd 2:38

Awesome. Sounds exciting. All right, so Dalton, why don't you tell us about the guests we have lined up that we're about to chat with?

Speaker 2 2:45

Right on, yeah. We have uh Taryn Logan and their amazing Wonder Puppy Max. Um they've been making the switch from you know a normal nine to five to the boat life, uh the adventure boat life. They're planning on traveling all around the world, so they've been taking people on the experience of buying a boat and outfitting it and all the excitement of being new boat owners.

Todd 3:18

Yeah, so they've got this great YouTube channel called the Wayward Life that's been chronicling their adventure from inception of the idea of wanting to sail around the world. We got to chat with them uh on their boat while we had the interview, so that was a lot of fun. These guys are awesome.

Speaker 2 3:34

They were on their boat, we weren't.

Todd 3:36

Yes, we were virtually on their boat, but they were on their boat. Um they're they're both sweet guys uh and have a fascinating channel that's starting to really take off. And we've been big fans of theirs and trying to get this interview lined up for almost an entire year. So finally we figured it out and got a chance to chat with them about all things adventure travel in this case when it comes to sailing around the world. So I think you guys are gonna have a great time meeting Terran, Logan, and Max and hearing everything you ever wanted to know about sailing. And it'll probably if you ever had a real dream about doing this, you'll you'll realize that uh it's a little bit harder than than it seems.

Speaker 2 4:17

It's not all not all glamour.

Todd 4:20

Yeah, but they've they've they they've come through it, and uh I think they're gonna reap the rewards real soon, and they were a blast to talk to. So having said that, why don't you guys uh grab a cocktail, sit back and relax, and listen to our interview with the Wayward Life.

Speaker 2 4:36

Right on.

Welcome Aboard!

Todd 4:44

All right, well, let's get this thing started. Let's welcome Taryn and Logan to the show. Thanks for joining us, guys.

Speaker 3 4:51

Thanks for having us. We're stoked.

Speaker 2 4:53

Yeah, well, I would say welcome aboard, but it looks like you guys are already saying that, right?

Speaker 3 5:00

Welcome aboard.

Speaker 2 5:00

Yeah, there you go.

Todd 5:01

Oh, now we're talking. Right on. So, where are we uh joining you on right now?

Speaker 3 5:06

So we're in Campbell River, uh, BC on Vancouver Island, Canada, obviously. Um, and we are on Papa Rumba, our 40-foot steel cutter sailboat.

Speaker 2 5:19

Right on. So you're uh getting a little bit bigger and a little bit bigger, huh? Didn't you guys start with like a 32-foot or something like that?

Speaker 3 5:26

We actually went 32 foot, then we went 45 foot, um, which is a whole story.

unknown 5:32

Okay.

Speaker 3 5:32

And now we're back at 40 feet.

Speaker 2 5:34

Do you find that uh 40 is kind of like the sweet spot for you guys? Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

Todd 5:39

For our new listeners who may not be sailors or familiar with you guys yet, uh, why don't you guys give us a quick background of who you are and the start of your adventure and we'll get it we'll get into it from there.

Speaker 3 5:52

Sure. So we've been living on sailboats for two years now, I guess. We kind of decided that we just we didn't want to live in a house and we didn't want to do the normal thing. So we both really love being close to nature and we both really love travel. So um we figured out that you can live on a sailboat and we were like, sweet, that means we can travel like cheaply by the wind, we can explore places that people don't usually get to go, and we get to live close to nature, so we don't have to like plan our whole lives around like taking hikes and stuff like that. It's just like we're there already. So yeah, so we bought a 32-foot sailboat two years ago, quickly realized that it was pretty small to live on. We could there was no room for dive gear anywhere on the boat. That was actually part of our decision making.

Speaker 5 6:37

Yeah, we couldn't even actually walk by one another without somebody having to move off into like onto the couch or like into a different room.

Speaker 3 6:46

Yeah. And right we we have a 70-pound dog too, so he's pretty much like a third human. Yeah, it was solid guys. Yeah, Max Max's he's taking Max just off camera, but he's taking a nap. He might he might wake up and decide he's gonna come visit, but yeah, he's sleeping right now. Right on. Yeah, and so lots of people actually live on like 30 foot and smaller boats with like two people and two dogs, and but I don't Yeah, no, that's yeah, we're more like in the six-foot range.

Todd 7:15

And yeah, like it's a little bit tough for us to squeeze around and what's your story of how you guys

The Very Beginning

Todd 7:21

met and then realized you had this uh crazy adventure to kind of stop with normal life. Yeah, so tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 7:28

We've been together for like for 10 years. We actually met at a bar through a friend, super normal. Um we knew that we both really liked being out in nature, but we did all the regular normal stuff. We bought a couple of houses actually, but then decided that what we neither of us were happy. We were both like miserable and depressed all the time.

Speaker 5 7:49

We spent our whole lives just working on places on houses and you know, having to put our our hobbies aside pretty much.

Speaker 3 7:57

Yeah. Which again, I guess for most people works fine, but we were like just miserable doing it. So we actually we sold one of our houses and actually moved to Ireland thinking that maybe we could just like take a gap year and just explore and have fun. Um, but that didn't work out because it's really expensive to live in Ireland. It turns out car insurance is gonna cost us ten thousand dollars for one vehicle. What? Oh, it was brutal. That's like self-insuring.

Speaker 1 8:26

Yeah, oh yeah, it was just for the life, ten thousand dollars for life or or six one year, yeah.

Speaker 5 8:32

Yeah, that wasn't and it was like a little tiny Ford Festiva or whatever they are. Yeah, like it wasn't even an ice car.

Speaker 3 8:40

Yeah, it was insane.

Todd 8:42

And was this like that's the normal rate, or just because you were four nationals living there? Was what's the explanation? That's that's just what everyone pays.

Speaker 5 8:51

Insurance companies are insane, and if you're not like under your family's insurance, like young people can't afford it, like you and if you leave the country for more than a year, they like you start over at square one, like it's just not.

Speaker 3 9:07

Yeah, people will move to like Canada or the States and live here for like 10 years and just pay to have their car insured over there so that it's cheaper when they finally go back.

Speaker 2 9:16

Wow, that's bananas.

Speaker 3 9:19

It's brutal, yeah. So um, and it's like bus system and stuff is very similar to like the US and Canada over there, like outside of the cities, there's next to nothing for transit, so it's not even like an option to not have a car. Like if you're living outside of the cities, you need to have a car.

Speaker 5 9:35

And you can only insure cars, so like if you don't have a business, you can't insure a van or they don't really have much for trucks, but like it's crazy. It is just crazy. Like, we're trying to haul our mountain bikes around in this little fortress subcontinent, right?

Speaker 3 9:57

Yeah, with with two of us, two bikes and the dog, yeah. Yeah, so um, somewhere in that time period too, we realized how many people were living on sailboats, and we were like, let's just cut our losses in Ireland and take the money we have left and go back home and buy a sailboat. Okay.

Speaker 2 10:15

Had you guys uh been selling before or have boat experience or anything? Or a powerboat.

Speaker 3 10:22

Yeah, we had powerboat experience, but we had zero sailing experience. Yeah, well, yeah, you'd worked on lots of powerboats too in the ocean.

Speaker 5 10:29

Yeah, I've been uh around boats and stuff for for quite a few years.

Speaker 2 10:33

Well that helps the that helps the transition. Oh, yeah. It's not like you guys are just waking up one day and going, hey, let's be on a boat instead of neither of us had stepped foot on a sailboat before. Yeah, sailing's a whole nother animal for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but but it's there's something to be said when you uh when you cut off the motor and catch wind, and that's that's uh that's uh something special to experience.

Speaker 5 11:01

I think the biggest learning curve for us on in that regard is actually like where we live. There's a lot of current and the tides are really big. And um like just outside of the marina here, like just behind me, literally on a big spring tide, like it can get up to 14 knots, like going through there. You're not gonna fight that.

Speaker 2 11:26

No, you're just gonna stay in.

Speaker 5 11:30

So you gotta really plan your passages.

Speaker 3 11:34

In the winter, there's Saturdays that you can't get out of here in the daylight.

Speaker 2 11:37

It's pretty so just to so our listeners get a get an idea of what you're talking about. Uh once you explain that you know, when the tides are coming in or you're getting a heavy current, your sailboat does on a on a good wind day six knots, six and a half, six knots? Okay, yeah. So on a on a 14 knot current, you're gonna be going backwards. Yeah, yeah, with really zero control.

Speaker 3 12:03

Like if the current wants to take you into the shore and it hit you into the stuff and it yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 12:10

So and that, and then you get the wind against that, and it can be nice, yeah.

Speaker 2 12:16

Yeah. So if you happen to catch it when the current's going the right way and the wind's going the right way, you guys can fly.

Speaker 4 12:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:24

Yeah. You know, you get power, you get powerboat speeds.

Speaker 5 12:28

Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 3 12:29

Every once in a while, right?

Speaker 5 12:31

Every once in a while you see a sailboat going by like really, really fast, and you're like, see a cell book, see a sailboat up on plane. Yeah, exactly. Kind of funny looking. You almost you have to do double take. Yeah, yeah.

Todd 12:46

That's hilarious. What why did you guys decide Ireland originally

Ireland Calling

Todd 12:50

before you got into the sailing thing? You said, All right, I'm leaving Canada for Ireland. What was the uh the thought process there? Was there family there, or you just always wanted to, you know, wanted to go to Ireland?

Speaker 5 13:01

Only place I could get a working visa.

Speaker 3 13:03

Yeah, that was the main thing. Yeah, Logan was too old.

Speaker 5 13:05

I'm getting too old now.

Speaker 3 13:10

Yeah.

Speaker 5 13:10

Nice.

Speaker 3 13:11

But then we both have um heritage in Ireland, so I was feeling really called to kind of explore that some more. And we could oh yeah, and Max was it was pretty easy to bring the dog over there comparatively.

Speaker 5 13:23

They didn't have any kind of quarantine period or anything like that. Nothing, nothing really. New Zealand was the other option uh we had, but the quarantine there is insane for animals. Yeah, we just couldn't do that to him. Yeah, yeah.

Todd 13:39

How long have you guys had Max?

Speaker 3 13:41

Uh nine years. He's nine years old.

Todd 13:43

Right on. Okay. So you went to Ireland. How long were you there before you realized you had to head back to Canada?

Speaker 3 13:49

And only two months.

Todd 13:51

Give up that trip. Two months.

Speaker 2 13:52

Yeah, we were in the two months. Wow. Were you guys in Dublin or Yeah, we were just south of Dublin.

Speaker 3 13:58

We were in Wicklow, um Ballinisto.

Speaker 4 14:02

Yeah.

Speaker 3 14:02

Yeah. So it's like just it was about an hour and a half south of of Dublin. Beautiful, like absolutely gorgeous.

Todd 14:10

But it's you enjoyed that the experience while you were the the two-month experience while you're there, you still got to absorb a a lot of the culture. And I saw in your your photo stream you had a nice picture of your pine of Guinness. Yeah. So you got to look frequent a few bars, a few pubs, hopefully, while you're there and get that that done as well. Yeah.

Speaker 3 14:27

Yeah. Logan was very, very familiar with Guinness by the end of that trip.

Speaker 4 14:31

Yeah, that's about all I can drink there.

Speaker 2 14:34

Nice.

Todd 14:36

That's awesome.

unknown 14:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2 14:37

Well, they're they're worse, uh worst problems to have. Yeah.

Todd 14:41

So you head back

The Dream To Sail The World

Todd 14:42

to Canada, but you have this new dream of uh learning to sail and sailing the world, I assume. Is that still the goal eventually now that you're on the boat to eventually sail all over the place?

Speaker 3 14:53

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, obviously there's some skill level we need to build before we're ready for that.

Speaker 4 14:59

Of course. Yeah.

Speaker 3 15:00

We were hoping that by this point we'd have a decent amount of experience out on the water, but um the next part of that journey that we're talking about is that we decided to

Custom Boat Nighmare

Speaker 3 15:11

sell our 32-foot boat because we knew that it just wasn't going to be big enough for us to be comfortable living on. And we bought a 45-foot sailboat that had been down to Mexico and back and Panama and back and whatever, and got it out of the water to do some work on it and realized that the boat was not at all what we thought we had purchased.

Speaker 2 15:31

Um the boat inspector didn't uh catch any of that.

Speaker 3 15:37

Well, no, there was some things where he was like, okay, so it was a custom boat. So that's kind of something that you have to that has to be discussed is like most boats are tough. You buy it's like it's a um a production boat, so it's like they build like hundreds of the exact same boats. So it's like you know what you're getting into. This one was like a custom-built boat that was built 45 years ago. It had had three owners, and the guy we bought it from had had it for 20 years. So we assumed that he had known the boat well enough that when he was telling us things about it, that he knew what he was saying, and that's sorry. Um that it was like he was the only information that we had on the boat, right? It was like what he said and then what the surveyor said. So um the surveyor said that so we bought the boat thinking that it was solid fiberglass below the water line and that it was cored with wood above the waterline. We got it out of the water and realized that it was cored all the way to the keel, um, which essentially means that if you puncture the thin layer of fiberglass on the outside, water gets into the wood that's in the middle and rods it out, and then there's rods throughout your integrity. Yeah, which like if all you're planning on doing is cruising around like where we live, you can you're fine. Totally fine, but but we are planning on going farther north with some ice, and there's a ton of logs in the water here. There's just there's I mean, there's just there's navigational hazards everywhere.

Speaker 5 17:07

So it's probably not one of the easiest places to learn to sail. No. And you definitely have a lot of issues that you don't find in most places in the world.

Speaker 3 17:19

Yeah. So yeah, so but we had to spend four months working on the boat just to get it ready to be able to sell it again by the time that we realized we had all these issues.

Todd 17:28

This was about the time we actually started talking. Uh right. I I I remember us talking, we had found each other online and said, Hey, it'd be great to to have a chat. And you're like, well, you know, we just got a boat, we're you know, we're working on chewing up as soon as as soon as we get that settled, you know, and and we get the boat ready to go, we'll have some time. And then I just remember watching all these YouTube videos of you guys, and like it just seemed like everything was going wrong. And I felt so bad for you guys.

Speaker 3 17:55

Yeah, it was brutal. Yeah. Oh, like, okay, so we pulled out thinking that all we had to do was replace like one piece of um wood that was in the front of the boat that our force day went through, which is like a pretty important piece of rigging because it's holds the mast up. Yeah, it holds the mast up essentially, and there's a whole sail that comes off of it, right? So it's like you need that, and it was like literally pulling out of the deck. So we were like, okay, we need to get this fixed. So we get that up on land, and then we realize that the whole top of the like whole top piece is rotted, and then that there's been water leaking into the side of the boat where the drain hole goes through, they hadn't sealed it properly. So Logan or Logan, he decored, so like took out one layer of fiberglass and all the wood out of the chain locker and then re-fiberglassed it and then rebuilt the wall in between like the boat and the chain locker. Um, and then we redid all the decks. What else did we do? Like it took two months to do just the chain locker.

Speaker 5 19:00

Yeah, I pretty much had to re-fiberglass the whole front of the hall and deck it. Well, yeah, because he drilled them. Yeah, I'm not even gonna go to the case.

Speaker 2 19:10

So I assume you guys have um some type of of construction or mechanic experience from previous your previous life. Heavy duty mechanic by trade.

Speaker 3 19:22

Yeah, and Logan's dad is actually uh um a construction contractor, so he builds hoses. So Logan had worked for him a bit and obviously grew up around it. So yes. Luckily for us, Logan has a lot of skills in those areas.

Speaker 4 19:38

I would be so screwed. I would be so screen it.

Todd 19:42

Yeah, seriously. I mean to be bankrupt with all the work that you would have had to pay someone else to do if you had to do that, and then still with nothing to show for for it.

Speaker 3 19:51

Right. Yeah, exactly. It did cost us $15,000 Canadian by the time we got back in the water. Materials, yeah. Oh wow, yeah, materials and time on the hard too.

Speaker 2 20:01

But yeah, yeah, I'm sure just the the actual time, your time, right? So your time's valuable as well. So that's not factored into the colour.

Todd 20:11

Yeah, you're supposed to be learning to sail, right? Yeah, just this is a time to learn to sail, not to bring the boat on dry dock and do repairs and yeah, onto bigger and better things.

Finding Papa Rumba

Todd 20:21

So tell us about Papa Rumba.

Speaker 3 20:23

Yeah, so okay, so this is kind of the cool part though. So we're suffering through all this, wondering why on earth we left a nice cushy land life for this insane boat project. Um, and Logan finds Papa Rumba just sitting in another boatyard, and he so he sees Paparumba and he's like, Taryn, we have to go check out this boat. There's this gorgeous steel boat in the boatyard. I just love this boat. So we go and check it out. Turns out that um it's up on the hard getting the bottom done because she's getting ready to list it for sale. So Logan gets the contact info for the woman who owns the boat.

Speaker 2 20:59

Perfect timing.

Speaker 3 21:00

Yeah, it was amazing. And there's like we wouldn't have known even that it was for sale if he hadn't if we hadn't been in that boat yard.

Speaker 5 21:07

Yeah, and I was like going to the store on a on a daily, multiple times a day basis to get stuff for this other project, and I happened to walk by this one day and see this boat up on stand.

Speaker 2 21:20

And uh now is it a is it a catch or a sloop or what are your yeah it's cut or in sloop?

Speaker 3 21:27

Yeah, so it's one mast and then it's got two forest days for um different sales, essentially.

Speaker 2 21:33

And uh and kind of like a center cabin cockpit area.

Speaker 5 21:36

Looks like that's what you guys know it's got a pilot house. Um we're in the pilot house right now.

Speaker 3 21:42

Yeah, that's why it's so bright.

Speaker 2 21:43

And uh and it had to have some type of above deck um cockpit or pilot house or something.

Speaker 5 21:52

In the back.

Speaker 4 21:53

Yeah.

Speaker 5 21:53

Yeah. So yeah, in that way it's similar to our first boat, but

Speaker 2 22:00

Nice to have all the light. It's nice to have all the light inside. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 22:04

Yeah. So as soon as we were done the projects on the other boat and had it back in the water, we listed it for sale. And then yeah, we're lucky enough that we had our finances figured out for buying this boat at the same time. And the other boat just actually sold like four days ago.

Speaker 2 22:20

Okay. So you have both boats at the same time.

Speaker 3 22:22

Yeah. We moved one down. We got we got super lucky. Um we suffered real hard last year, but this year we've everything's been coming up really good for us. So we found a broker. Yeah. We found a broker who um was willing to kind of just take on the project. So we like left the boat at the brokerage essentially, and he dealt with showing it, he dealt with like moving it around, he dealt with cleaning it if it needed to be cleaned. Like he he was on it. So we literally just like dropped it and left it and didn't have to think about it again, which like oh it's nice. Oh, we got so lucky, we got so lucky.

Speaker 5 22:59

Definitely, yeah.

Speaker 3 23:00

That that worked out really well, and then once that was done, we started the process of purchasing this boat.

Speaker 2 23:06

So and you like the idea of uh steel over fiberglass or uh yeah, way better.

Speaker 3 23:12

So we're both obviously like doing all those fiberglass projects. We realized we never want to do that again. We we know that well enough. It's awful stuff, but we're both we're both welders. Well, like I'm a welder by Tread Logan's heavy duty mechanic, so he's done a lot of welding. So we were like, it makes more sense for us. We both love it too, so it makes more sense for us to be working on steel than it does for us to be working on fiberglass because we have fiberglass.

Speaker 2 23:36

Definitely in your wheelhouse, yeah, yeah, so to speak.

Speaker 3 23:38

And if you run a steelboat into a log or even into the beach, like yeah, the chances of it being

Benefits Of A Steel Boat

Speaker 3 23:44

like you'll probably be all right. Yeah, you're not gonna get the catastrophic damage that you are with like fiberglass.

Speaker 2 23:50

So that's especially if you guys are talking about going north into some ice and stuff, it'll be uh yeah, a little bit better.

Speaker 5 23:56

And steel, like steel is worldwide, you can fix it anywhere. You literally don't need anything but a coat hanger and a couple of batteries.

Speaker 2 24:07

You make welding sound so easy. Give me a coat hanger and a couple of batteries, I'm probably gonna electrocute myself.

Speaker 3 24:16

Yeah, well, yeah, there is that too.

Speaker 2 24:21

That's awesome. So, did you guys rename Papa Rumba or is that its original name?

Speaker 3 24:27

No, that's that's her original name. We're we've only had her for how many weeks now? Not even a month.

Speaker 5 24:31

Yeah, not even a month. Well, yeah, a month, maybe.

Speaker 3 24:35

Yeah, so we've decided we're gonna sit on her for a year, see if after that year we feel like uh changing the name. And if we do after a year, we'll change the name. But um yeah, so she's actually originally from Amsterdam. She was purchased in Europe and then brought over here by the last owner.

Speaker 2 24:56

And now, did she make a transatlantic crossing or did they just have her shipped over? They ran out of time.

Speaker 3 25:04

Yeah, they were planning on sailing her over. They they're there were yeah, so we bought her because she is also like she's designed to be a blue water cruising vessel. And um so the people that previously owned her, not with her, but with another boat, had lived like in Patagonia and sailed her to the Falcon Islands and in the Pacific down there. So we kind of we trusted their judgment in boats a little bit extra as well because they did have that experience.

Speaker 2 25:36

That's awesome.

Speaker 3 25:37

And you can actually look this one up online and see the plans and see what she's made up.

Speaker 2 25:44

Find a little bit more information on the last one. Yeah, exactly. That was important. Now I was watching one of your guys' uh videos. You said that uh Paparumba is a double kill, double kill hole. Or do you guys is a single keel on the bottom?

Speaker 3 26:00

Just a single keel, yeah.

Speaker 2 26:03

Yeah.

Speaker 3 26:03

We um so I think what we were saying was in Ireland you see a lot of the bilge keels with like the the two keels. Yeah. And we were trying to look for one of those when we were in Ireland because it's okay really cool because you can just beach them anywhere.

Speaker 4 26:16

Yeah.

Speaker 3 26:17

Um, you don't have to worry about depth so much, but you can't really find them over 30-ish feet. And I guess it's because with the two keels they become unstable over at a larger size than that.

Speaker 5 26:29

There are some that um I came across one other one on Vancouver Island um about two years ago. An aluminum boat, and I talked to the owner, and it had bilge keels, and it was a probably a 40-foot boat, pretty close to 40 feet anyway. Um, he had just gotten back from New Zealand with it, so they do go places.

Speaker 3 26:54

Yeah, but we we didn't find one unfortunately, no.

Speaker 5 26:59

No, it's very rare

Sailing Plans & COVID Impacts

Speaker 5 27:00

to find one, especially here.

Speaker 2 27:02

What do you guys have in the near future planned? Are you going to head north toward northern Canada and Alaska? Or yeah, that is that where your first big trip's gonna be?

Speaker 3 27:14

Yeah, so we're taking the summer off, so like from May till or I guess June till June till September, we're planning on cruising, and we'll just see how far north we get and I guess how many islands we hit. Um, like COVID obviously is still making things difficult and confusing for travel.

unknown 27:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:33

So now do you guys run into COVID issues even within Canada? Because I know like for in the United States, for like for us to go from California to Hawaii, there's a a big big to-do. Todd and I were just talking about this last night that you have to take a COVID test like 24 hours before you fly, and then when you land, you have to do all this other stuff. Yeah, and uh it's just a big chore.

Speaker 3 27:59

There's actually quite a few places in Canada where they don't allow outsiders at all right now. So I don't know if you guys do know what high to Gwai is. You know the islands like Queen Charlotte Islands?

Speaker 2 28:09

No, not off the top of it. No, no, okay.

Speaker 3 28:11

So they're like these really insanely beautiful islands that are mostly inhabited by First Nations people. Um and so, like on a normal summary, you actually have to do a course before you go to the islands so that you can learn about the nature there and like the protocols for kind of interacting with the island. But right now they're not even letting anybody from the outside on the island. So, like, even if we wanted to go visit there, even wanted to like like said we'd quarantine or whatever, I don't think they'd let us in at all. And there's quite a few communities on the coast that are like that because of like the history of um First Nations dealing with European diseases, they really don't want to let people in. It's understandable.

Speaker 2 28:53

Now, do you are you guys finding um in and looking around any like closed harbor issues? I know that some countries have and even states in the US where they don't even want sailboats to be, you know, where you they don't want you living on your sailboat out of their out of their harbor. Yeah, there's a lot of that here. Just a normal thing.

Speaker 3 29:16

Yeah, that's every day. That's just living on a sailboat. That's a constant struggle.

Speaker 5 29:22

Um yeah, right. Yeah, there's a lot of places that have like they're not accepting transient people, and and we're considered transient.

Speaker 2 29:32

So pretty nice transient life, it looks like you have so much. Yeah, we're not we're not complaining.

Speaker 3 29:39

We're definitely not complaining.

Speaker 2 29:41

It takes a lot of work. What's your favorite thing about Paparumba? Wait, it's after living on the side. Oh, yeah, it's sales unbelievable.

Speaker 3 29:49

So nice.

Speaker 2 29:50

And uh, I mean, how's the room inside? I mean, do you guys have like two state rooms?

Speaker 3 29:56

There's two, yeah. So we've got like a v birth, pretty standard v birth, and then we've got kind of a quarter birth, but it's a really long and fairly wide quarterbirth.

Speaker 5 30:04

Yeah, it's pretty much another whole room, it's just a little bit underneath the cockpit, so it's really critically challenged.

Speaker 4 30:14

Right. Yeah.

Speaker 5 30:17

Um, but it's mostly for storage right now because we're stuck.

Speaker 2 30:24

On a sailboat store, I mean just boats in general, storage is a a premium. I think that would always be the biggest struggle. Uh, my wife and I have talked about switching to uh a sailboat, and just the uh the amount of paring down that you have to do is kind of like I don't know if I could get rid of that much stuff.

Speaker 5 30:46

That was a big struggle for us. Like it took us years to get all of our stuff down, and I still have like we've got a sea can that uh a 20-foot sea can for storage for storage because I had to have somewhere for all my work tools.

Speaker 3 31:08

Yeah, that's the biggest thing as a mechanic. The number of work tools that Logan has is like absolutely insane. Yeah.

Todd 31:15

Do you have one thing that you know you really need to get rid of and it has no place on your boat, but you just can't don't have the heart to get rid of it just yet? Oh really, you're pretty good and you're in a good space.

Speaker 3 31:25

I think like yeah, like switching boats three times in the past two years has probably helped that out a lot.

Speaker 2 31:32

So you mentioned mountain biking and stuff. Do you guys keep your mountain bikes on your boat and take them with you?

unknown 31:38

Nope.

Speaker 2 31:38

They're in the book.

Speaker 3 31:39

There's no room. Yeah. We we wanted to with the last boat, like the 45-foot boat, it had two absolutely giant um rooms. Yeah, a boat just came into the marine and got real close to the front of our boat.

Speaker 5 31:55

We we have a bit of uh gnarly wind going on right now, and this guy's trying to dock his pool.

Speaker 3 32:00

Anyway, he didn't hit us. That's the good part.

Speaker 1 32:03

Yeah. Not what we want to have on this interview. It's a live crash.

Todd 32:12

It would be, but we you don't need a fourth boat right now. We want to hopefully this will be the last one for a long while.

Speaker 4 32:19

Yeah, we're happy.

Speaker 3 32:22

Yeah, so so the last boat we bought was the idea that we could turn the V birth and that boat into like our um fun adventure storage room. So we were gonna put our mountain bikes up there and like hopefully all of our dive gear. But obviously that didn't play out, and this one does not have room for mountain bikes. So yeah. That's okay though. We haven't been doing that as much, but there will be room for our dive gear once we've got our dive gear all figured out.

Speaker 2 32:48

Are you guys certified? Or still need to get certified?

Speaker 3 32:51

Well, I'm open water certified.

Speaker 5 32:53

I've got my uh advance open water.

Speaker 2 32:55

I was gonna say, if you guys want to make a trip down to California, I'm I can take care of that for you.

Speaker 3 33:03

I yeah, I I was supposed to get my advance at the same time, and I got sick with a cold like the day of our course. So I'm still on the list of needing to get that done.

Speaker 4 33:13

Fair on.

Speaker 3 33:14

So maybe maybe we'll be able to sail down there at some point and take you up on that. There you go. Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 33:24

Yeah, it's definitely dry suit weather up here. Yeah, it's definitely in winter time up here is the time to die. I can imagine.

Todd 33:32

Well, that is why Dalton was asking about the extra state room.

Speaker 2 33:35

Yeah, exactly. Angling to get in up there and have a have a place to as soon as Canada opens back up, you know. Well uh Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 33:45

As soon as you're allowed to come, there's a room for you for sure. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 33:48

I might be able to find a place to stink my Jeep across the border, you know, maybe find some. Yeah.

Speaker 3 33:55

Some loopholes. Last summer there were quite a few loopholes, but uh they seem to be closed now, so might have to wait another year.

Speaker 2 34:03

When you guys were trying to decide on what adventure to do to do next, um, I just from uh look talking with you guys and seeing some of your videos and stuff. Is there any um I guess what made you choose sailing over like doing a yurt in the backcountry? Because I know you guys tend to like uh the forest and mountains and stuff as well.

Speaker 3 34:27

Um it's real damn cold out here. Okay.

Todd 34:33

Good reason.

Speaker 3 34:34

That's part of it.

Speaker 5 34:36

The problem with traveling is you can pretty much only take what's on your back. So if you've multiple hobbies, it's uh it's kind of difficult. Uh with a boat, we can kind of keep all of our our home wherever we go, and we can still access these remote places. Like where I used to work up the coast and stuff, we'd fly in on a float plane, you know, it would take a couple hours or whatever. And you'd go way out to these these remote places, and you know, for you to buy a plane ticket on there, it's like three thousand dollars return. And we can't afford to do that.

Speaker 3 35:14

Yeah, but it's not that expensive to sail up there, that's for sure. It takes a lot longer.

Speaker 2 35:19

Yeah, that's part of the fun. Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:22

Exactly.

Speaker 5 35:24

If you live cheap enough, you got time. So yeah.

Speaker 2 35:26

So have you guys been uh taking any sailing courses, or are you just like learning by you know, trial by fire?

Speaker 5 35:35

Or how are you guys at least we took a five-day live aboard course um two years ago, actually. And yeah, pretty much exactly two years ago.

Speaker 3 35:50

Yeah, it was exactly two years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 5 35:52

Yep, and that was amazing. Like we've learned we learned so much in those five days um about just basic skills. Yeah, we can basically just go off of those basic skills that we learned and and make it better every time we go out. And um, we've been sailing with our friends here that have uh have a 48-foot wooden schooner, which is you know, it's got two masts and a whole mass of sails. It's quite interesting.

Speaker 2 36:24

So yeah, a little more uh a little more complicated than what you guys are on.

Speaker 5 36:30

Yeah, and they have years of experience, like so much experience, and it's nice to to kind of be able to learn that from them, and then just we're basically just learning as we go now.

Speaker 2 36:43

Did you guys take any uh navigating or plotting courses or anything? Are you guys just figuring that out as as you go as well?

Speaker 5 36:52

We went through the basics on uh on the five-day course we did. Because it was like um you were on the boat for five days, so overnighting and stuff like that. So there was quite a bit of information. Yeah, basic coastal navigation.

Speaker 2 37:07

I just uh I remember seeing a video about

Autopilot... Kind Of

Speaker 2 37:10

your uh your autopilot and how amazing it is. Still the 20-degree variance.

Speaker 5 37:22

Yeah, that's it's uh yeah, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 2 37:26

This boat does it is it a repairable or do you have to replace the whole system on that?

Speaker 5 37:33

Uh we have we'll have to replace it all. I'm not sure. I think the computer and the autopilot's shot. So and it's older too. Like it's yeah, it's it's pretty old. So we'll just replace it when we get money in time.

Todd 37:49

Is that a pretty invasive? I I know nothing about like when I saw when I saw that, I'm like, I didn't even know sailboats could have an autopilot. Very dog's a boating guy, I'm not. So I'm like, that's crazy. But how how like is that something that's easy to swap out and replace with a newer version, or is it gonna be pretty intense to have to retrofit it?

Speaker 3 38:10

It seems like on a fiberglass boat, it's a lot simpler than on a steelboat, because on a steel boat, obviously, you have to have a compass for an autopilot to work, and um like compasses get messed up when you're they're close to steel. So that's gonna be a process, I think.

Speaker 5 38:28

I think I've I've done a lot of research and I think I've figured out a a compromise.

Speaker 2 38:33

Now is that is that part of the problem with the current autopilot, do you think? Or do you just think the computer and a shot?

Speaker 5 38:44

Um I'm really not sure. I've never gotten it to to work on the boat, but apparently it used to, so well it must have at some point.

Speaker 4 38:54

I don't know.

Speaker 5 38:55

I I don't think that it's because of the the compass on that, because there there's quite a bit of like a variance or whatever that you can and the computer will adjust for it. I think it's just the computer's done.

Speaker 2 39:12

Yeah, when I uh when I was watching that and you're talking about a 20-degree variance, I'm like, that's a lot. That's like that's the difference between ending up in Vancouver and ending up in Alaska. You know, yeah.

Speaker 4 39:27

It's not ideal.

Speaker 2 39:30

We're gonna sell down to Mexico and you end up in Hawaii. Exactly. Yeah, not that either place would be bad, but we're pretty lucky where we're at.

Speaker 5 39:42

Um if you can't see land, it's only because it's too foggy.

Speaker 2 39:48

That's uh well, well, it's good and bad because then you can't see the other boats.

Speaker 5 39:54

We do have radar.

Speaker 2 39:55

Nice.

Speaker 3 39:56

Yeah. If the radar works, did you guys see the video? Did you see the video where we lost our GPS as we went into the fire?

Speaker 2 40:05

Oh my god. Other OBT in that one. That must have been scary.

Todd 40:08

I I hope you laid down like a horror moose track behind it as it was going on. Holy moly.

Speaker 3 40:16

Oh, it's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. And we were like buddy boating with somebody and like they disappeared at the exact same time as like our GPS stopped working. Oh my gosh. And we were like awesome. And we knew that there was islands on either side, too.

Speaker 5 40:30

Yeah, we were going through a passage and it was just not an ideal time loser. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 40:35

We couldn't see anything. So that was that was fun.

Speaker 2 40:38

Yeah, that's especially. I mean, if you're sailing at that point, that's uh if you're motor sailing, you got a little bit more control over your speed, but if you're at the mercy of the wind, you know, you really gotta be be on point going through some of those some of those places like that in fog.

Speaker 3 40:55

Luckily we were in that day, but yeah.

Speaker 2 41:00

I'm I assume because I know that they have that there are a basic set of like international rules that uh a lot of people follow. Unfortunately, a lot of boat owners don't know. Like once you hit fog, they want you ringing a bell, you know, every so often.

Speaker 4 41:20

Right.

Speaker 2 41:20

You know, and I don't know if uh how Canada is about that if they follow the same pattern of a set of rules.

Speaker 5 41:30

Yeah, we're supposed to have uh some kind of you know audio alarm that you can I think it's like two blasts every five minutes or something like that. But we don't generally get into that kind of situation where we're at right now. Like if you do get fog, it's eat to kind of just stay put and wait for it, or it's just like drifts in and out. Like when you're in between islands and there's a temperature change in the water of like ten degrees sometimes, like it's great, you know, like within a couple miles.

Speaker 2 42:12

Yeah, that's that's a big change.

Speaker 4 42:15

It doesn't last long though.

Speaker 5 42:17

Yeah.

Speaker 3 42:19

But yeah, that was interesting.

Speaker 5 42:21

Yeah, it was like we were in it for maybe ten minutes and and then it's gone, yeah.

Speaker 3 42:26

But the number of people that were like, I've done that for hours and hours.

Speaker 2 42:29

Yeah, that's it. You're gonna have to get used to it, right? Over time you're gonna drop a few more times.

Todd 42:35

Right, yeah. If you can.

Speaker 2 42:39

I don't like having not having visibility.

unknown 42:41

Yeah.

Speaker 5 42:42

No. No. And I've I've had to deal with it for a lot at work, like driving the workboat and stuff up north and going through the fog for you know three hours sometimes and not being able to see the bow of the boat. But if you've got radar and stuff, like you're and you know how to use it.

Speaker 3 43:04

Yeah, we didn't have a radar turned on at that point. No, no, we did have a lot of time.

Speaker 5 43:08

Yeah, thank god we had a radar. Yeah, that was the only thing that kind of saved us from doing 90 degrees. Yeah. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 43:18

Yeah, you gotta have backups for all your backups.

Todd 43:21

Yes, redundancy.

Speaker 3 43:22

Redundancy is crazy.

Todd 43:24

It's true in diving as it is in sailing and everything else where you can really speed things up if you don't.

Speaker 5 43:31

Totally. Yeah, 100% you guys have been in that situation where visibility's gone really bad, and you just I don't know, like I tend to go to the left all the time. Going round and round.

Speaker 2 43:46

So, how did um did COVID have a big impact on well? I'm sure it did, but I know you guys were in the middle of um going through uh the boat exchange. Did COVID still have an impact on how you guys were living your life and and doing business?

Speaker 3 44:06

Not a ton. Um we we're pretty lucky where we are um covet covet rates were like next to nothing on the island that we live on until like August of last year.

Speaker 5 44:16

So they opened up the ferries.

Speaker 3 44:18

Yeah until people started traveling for the summer and then it changed but before that there was like next to nothing. So it was like fairly late back.

Speaker 4 44:25

That's good.

Speaker 3 44:26

Yeah. Yeah and like boat sales were um ruled as essential services because it's like a slate homes. So it was like real estate and boat and boats being transferred ownership was like no issue. So the only issue that we really had was like finding food when we traveled to go check out the boat or get it surveyed or whatever. Yeah and then we found when we hauled out the the boat yard that we went to they were pretty laid back to and it was all outside. So it wasn't like the COVID rules up here for the summer were pretty much like you can't gather with people uh inside but outside you're allowed up to like 10 or 15 or whatever. So um yeah it wasn't really an issue because we were outdoors the entire time.

Todd 45:09

Did you have the idea

The Wayward Life YouTube Channel

Todd 45:10

to start the uh YouTube channel The Wayward Life as soon as you had the sailing idea or how did the evolution of documenting uh this journey come about for you guys were you inspired by any other sailing channels or anything or so we started when we were in Ireland and it was kind of just like I wanted to have like a travel adventure channel both for like to show people back home what we were doing to kind of have like a video log for ourselves and like hoping that other people would be interested in it on YouTube.

Speaker 3 45:39

But we found quite a few cool sailing channels like as we were packing up the post actually to move to Ireland we discovered that there were all these sailing channels on YouTube and started watching a ton of that. So then it just kind of I guess evolved into us having our own sailing channel as that kind of evolved. Yeah and um like ideally for me it would be like a sailing and travel channel but people seem to only be interested in one thing or the other on a YouTube channel.

Todd 46:07

They want consistency so well sailing and travel can kind of yeah sailing and adventure can kinda you know it's an adventure to sell for sure right yeah it is for sure yeah that's like yeah for me like that's the most of it like that's the reason we're doing it right it's a method to get you to all these remote places like I uh your most recent video I was gonna ask you guys you know some of the pla amazing places you've been you shot a great video you just released uh going to uh Cortez on Cortez Island and that forest you guys walked through was was amazing it was beautiful and that was just our shaped game that was like down the way right yeah you can still take a you can take a ferry there still that was like yeah yeah well two ferries yeah yeah it takes two ferries to get there so it's it's about the same amount of time probably as sailing actually by the time you get off the second ferry.

Speaker 5 47:03

Yeah maybe I don't know anywhere between two and four hours to get there.

Speaker 3 47:08

Yeah way more fun to sail of course a lot less people to have to deal with yeah but so that's what we're really hoping to be able to do this summer is like go to a lot of really rad remote places that like you need a power boat or a sailboat to get to you can't take a ferry there you can't you can't swim there not that anybody's trying to do that but you know what I mean. There's no other way to get there.

Speaker 2 47:32

There's no roads so speaking of of winter and you know well still kind of winter spring now but how's uh being on a still still hole doing uh temperature wise I mean do you find it gets a little colder than the uh the fiberglass hole or no not really it's all insulated so like anything uh from about a foot below the water line and up is insulated.

Speaker 5 48:03

Yeah and the only thing is the pilot house has great big windows so lots of sunshine that's probably the coldest place.

Speaker 2 48:11

Yeah there's lots lots of condensation lots of condensation um and obviously we live in the Pacific Northwest so sunshine is like an extra bonus it's never guaranteed so yeah last night it got down well it froze yeah it was below zero last night again everything was all icy when we say below zero we're saying Celsius so like so like below 32 degrees Fahrenheit I guess I'm fine with with either but I'm just like below zero my my immediate was below zero Fahrenheit that's very cold that's very cold below zero Celsius okay so we're talking about 32 it's all 32 degrees it's all still cold cold yeah exactly yeah it rained all day yesterday and then woke up this morning and all the raindrops are frozen on the boat so yeah it's fine in the boat because we have like um we have a diesel heater and we have a wood stove as well oh nice wood stove that's that's lots of lots of ways to keep you warm if you need to right that's awesome and in in your galley uh I'm assuming it's a a full galley like two burner three burner stove icebox yeah we've got a yeah we got a fridge yeah we got a little fridge we're trying to figure out um how to have a freezer on board part of our process we're looking into doing uh like those electric coolers and Dometics using freezers yeah yeah Domatic makes some good stuff yeah there's a brand we're looking at actually um do you guys yeah do you guys run solar or are you going to run solar?

Todd 49:53

Yeah we've got about uh 350 watts of solar right now and we're actually doing a test on our batteries because we're having battery issues and we are running the inverter and everything right now off of solar we're not connected to the shore power that's awesome yeah and it's charging so cleaning the context in your last video that act did that actually work I know that's maybe this is a spoiler for your next video but I do we have to wait and see um uh our batteries are we ordered new batteries yeah we've got two batteries on the way but they're coming from halfway across the country so it'll take a while um it's gonna take a bit on do you guys have plans of putting up more solar or trying to get a little bit more out of it or no because like where we are um it's like anywhere from like eight months to 12 months out of the year the solar doesn't do much because of how cloudy it is and how long our how short our days are in the winter.

Speaker 3 50:58

Thanks buddy so we're either looking at some kind of like wind generation system or we're just gonna end up having some kind of generator.

Speaker 2 51:04

Yeah Max wants to say hi now where you at buddy such a cutie the real star of the channel right there I love dogs yeah that's the only reason right yeah that's awesome same way we go anywhere like when we lived in Florida we would take our boat out and people were always more interested in our dogs than they were our boat or us or anything else and yeah I I get it I get it's it's the same everywhere I think yeah animals are great that's awesome.

Speaker 3 51:44

We've got like okay so this boat is super cool too so we're so lucky that we found this boat it's insane because I think there's maybe one or two of these in Canada outside of what ours is okay all the windows are angled so that if a wave hits us we never get the full force of a wave right hitting us like on our camera. Which obviously if you're crew yeah exactly on both sides. So obviously that's a big deal when you're offshore because one of the biggest issues with a pilot house like this is that you get a wave hitting you and the whole boat fills with water because it breaks one of your windows. So theoretically that shouldn't happen on this boat because of the angle that the windows are at the wave force just should never be that big.

Speaker 2 52:27

Yeah but we still get like the super bright he's poking his head up looking so it's kinda nice like I found some like I found some sunshine I'm I'm good.

Speaker 3 52:37

Oh yeah he's so happy he's gonna be happy for like a minute and a half and then he's gonna be panting because to side

Touring Papa Rumba

Speaker 3 52:45

note for a second how's Max adjusting to living on boats as to a car. So the first boat he liked the car better than he liked the boat size but the first boat he hated because it was small and I guess he didn't have anything to look at so he just like literally whined the entire

Max Joins The Show

Speaker 3 53:07

time he was on there. And not like an

Taryn's Photography Journey

Speaker 3 53:09

upset wine but like a bored wine. Right. I had nothing to do here. Um the second the second boat he was awesome on he was super comfortable had no problem and then this boat he actually has gotten seasick on the poor guy. Liter like we don't get seasick the dog gets seasick.

Speaker 5 53:25

So we're in the process of figuring that out um I think it's like the only time he got seasick is when we're tied to the dog. Yeah and where we are in the marina we get a bit of swell and it hits like kind of it's it's a weird motion.

Speaker 3 53:43

Yeah he's not he's not the only one that gets seasick in the marina so yeah yeah some other people that live on their boat get seasick.

Todd 53:51

Yeah so I think once we're out once we're away from the dock or at least away from the spinger he'll be fine but we'll see you can get you can actually give dogs dramamine I guess but you have to like go to the vet and figure out the dosage so Taryn uh you're also uh we don't talk about too much but you're also into photography you have great a lot of great photographs on your site so um I'm a wedding photographer by trade but wait I thought you were a well wait you were a welder by trade so are you a what do you combine them everything she welds the couples together together and then takes a picture.

Speaker 3 54:28

There you go. I build them a cage okay so be before I was a wedding photographer I was a welder but where we live um there's not much industry so it was like I had to fly a province over to kind of have a proper paying welding job. And I used to actually weld with an ex-fisherman who told me many stories about being stuck in the fog before we ever owned it building um as like a an artistic blacksmith and welder and that was super fun. But um I kind of transitioned into full-time wedding photography over the last three or four years. It's like as a photographer as I'm sure you guys know it's like you you can take it on the road but it's like hard to kind of build your business as a traveling business because it's hard to build those connections in every town you go to. So um yeah we're hoping that I can kind of transition that into more of um a different it's transitioning obviously into like the wayward life and that's then I'm because of like doing the wayward life channel I've also gotten more into videography because people just assume that I have great video films now because I watch my video yeah so this summer I'm taking off from weddings because of how crazy COVID is and because we wanna we want to travel but that's kind of my main gig is wedding photography and um yeah so that's helped a lot with learning video because we already had the equipment.

Speaker 2 56:08

Are you a can Canon girl or Nikon girl Fuji?

Speaker 3 56:12

No I'm Nikon all the way which again was not like the best plan for video but um they're up in their game with their video yeah I have the uh the Z62 for video and it does it does pretty good. Nice yeah that's what I'm shooting with it well it's the Z6 I'm shooting with yeah I've been eyeing the Z6 too and really wishing I had those like dual memory slots so I could be using it for money.

Speaker 2 56:38

Yeah the silent shooting on it's kind of kind of dope. It's really cool.

Todd 56:44

Yeah and the stabilization is so insane compared to like the mirrorless cameras too or not mirror sorry the SLR cameras on the Way of Life you have a lot of photos you have some great photo galleries which we'll include in the show notes so you can take a look but if you're watch happen to be watching on YouTube we're just scrolling through the uh some of your great landscape photos pictures of Max of course and great landscapes yeah always max of course so yeah like I just sold a bunch of prints too like for Christmas and my one friend was like I just want this picture of Max on the boat.

Speaker 3 57:17

It wasn't even like in my list of pictures she just like went and found it and was like I want this one you're gonna have to just switch from wedding photography to dog photography and just hit Max will be the supermodel have uh give Max's on an Instagram channel. I know right or at least his yeah his own Instagram account where it's just Max on the sailboat that's probably how do you uh how do you deal with storing your photo equipment on the boat? Do you got a little uh dry locker or pelican box you keep it all in and I have like my wedding kit in one place and then kind of my video shooting equipment in another but that's a work in progress as well we just we just got all of our stuff organized well enough to be able to I'm sure that's gotta be a an ongoing process right yeah we have uh one friend who lives on his sailboat and I think they what is their sailboat six 36 feet which friend uh Ryan yeah there's 30 35 or 36 yeah and they have literally their entire like aft cabin their quarter birth is just his photography gear the whole thing that's and he but he shoots he shoots film and um a bunch of other stuff too so yeah he develops film yeah yeah they have full like they turn their dark room in the boat yeah they they turn their head into a black room and just like develop or dark room through and just develop all their film. Yeah it's so cool for them that's awesome dedication yeah and like he's he's so in but like he loves film so much that he didn't even have a digital camera for a few months he just like sold all of his digital gear and was just shooting film which is really cool.

Todd 59:00

Awesome good for him so you guys uh

Dive Plans

Todd 59:03

have grand designs to really get into diving at some point I'm sure once you start traveling the world you want to be sailing hiking and diving now too as well so you got certified stuff like that. Any grand plans like you have a major goal out in the future we're gonna sail to X locations so we can go and dive there?

Speaker 2 59:21

Yeah I really want to dive in Alaska I want to dive in ice diving kind of thing or where there's I don't yeah I don't know if we want to do ice diving but probably just like I'd like to experience it a lot so there's yeah exactly there's this one company I don't remember the name of it off the top of my head I would have to look it up but they do adventure uh just these adventure expeditions and one of them is it's gonna sound bananas you basically they fly you over somewhere in Alaska and you parachute out and you land at a base camp and then you snowmobile to where you're going to cut a hole in the ice and dive it and then you come back out and you take your snowmobiles back to where they have a float paint or a a snowplane waiting for you or helicopter or something and fly you back out. And I'm like I'd be an adventure I would like to sign up for it but it just sounds a little too too intense for me.

Todd 1:00:34

I'm just like yeah that is or too expensive at least yeah we yeah definitely too expensive too it's like 10 grand for two days I'm sure yeah the deposit even I mean I would make a hell of a YouTube video but I man it sounds like way too much work to get for for a very uncomfortable dive.

Speaker 5 1:00:54

Right yeah no doubt yeah one of our close friends is a commercial diver and he was diving up in the Yukon River this winter and like having to cut the hole in the ice and and keep it open while they're down there. That that's a like it just looks so that's a hard pass for me man.

Speaker 3 1:01:16

I'm just like exactly yeah I I enjoy the pictures and videos of people who do it but I just don't know that I could uh yeah yeah that's how I feel too I'm not so there's obviously three of us on the boat um two out of three of us really love the cole I think you can guess which one I am so it was like we either head north to Alaska or we head south to Mexico and I was like Mexico Mexico sounds awesome but like two of these guys can't handle more than like 25 degrees Celsius for right get in the water if it gets too hot. Well it's the it's the beard it's the beard you just gotta trim the beard back a little bit and you know you'll pull off some max on the other hand is like a little harder to keep cool so yeah he wins he wins that argument again now obviously because you guys are in Canada um I assume that your cellboat doesn't have an AC unit on it or does it okay yeah no our our like um our diesel heater has a function where it can just be a fan but I think that's the closest we get to AC here.

Speaker 5 1:02:35

Yeah it's not really if you guys decide to travel uh travel south you'll might change your mind on that they'll figure something out yeah right yeah for sure they can make everything else work they'll they'll retrofit something to make it absolutely get some cool air in there well yeah I think we've got like those like window coverings that go on the outside and kind of reflect the heat out and um being a steel boat it pretty much just brings like conducts the water temperature really well through the through the build we can bring up um kind of coolish from there. Fair enough.

Speaker 3 1:03:13

Yeah maybe maybe not in 30 degree weather or 30 degree water I mean that okay 30 degrees Celsius again that's like what 90 yeah yeah I think but like to to give you guys an idea of like how poorly I deal with the cold um we were we were in Thailand diving in 29 degree Celsius water and I was shivering underwater. Alright literally literally shivering under suit I was shivering on dive number one my first of your trip. Dive number one started yeah dive number one it started and then we went like we did two dives that day and the second dive I was like in the water for like I think three minutes before I started shivering.

Speaker 5 1:03:56

Yeah and the rest of the dive I was just like it was like nearly 30 degrees Celsius in the water and her lips were like blue.

Todd 1:04:04

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 1:04:05

That's great. The only one that will take a wetsuit uh dry suit to Thailand to go diving in the future exactly it was a shorty and I'll fairly still yeah and they were fairly shallow dives so it was like a long time in the water.

Speaker 3 1:04:21

Yeah it was like a 45 minute to an hour long dive.

Todd 1:04:24

It was warm I was in you were sweating and she's shivering right yeah literally sweating underwater I don't know how to feel that but yeah that's how it is and that was without beard pre-beard yeah believe

The Beard

Todd 1:04:42

it or not this only like I only grow a beard for the winter because generally I was waiting for you to say you're not gonna believe it but this this was uh clean shaven last week yeah I don't know no this is a solid six months of growth to get to this nice beard by the way yeah I can't do that it's rather how hard I try no Todd Todd'll grow uh grow a beard for a year and it might it might fill in about like well Logan has three brothers and I think two out of the three brothers are the same way yeah so like with the patch all the good beard juju going on yeah yeah he just like stole it from the other brother see there's another YouTube channel it could just be Logan it could be Logan's beard right it could be beard maintenance and trimming and techniques and you could start selling special bombs to make for people like me to make their beards grow up beard bomb right you know yeah this is all natural there's nothing that's awesome yeah like Capricor just just comes in this way very

Speaker 2 1:06:00

natural man this is just this is yeah this is what it gets all right who I am yeah so what's the yeah what's probably one of the most difficult things

Difficulties Living On A Sailboat

Speaker 2 1:06:09

you guys are having about living on a on a sailboat the constant maintenance yeah it's stuff breaks continuously regardless of whether you're moving or not like today we it was so cold last night we had condensation coming through some of our core insulated parts of the boat and we had to pull all of our clothes out of there dry them all gotcha make sure that there's no more mildew growing so you're always checking and shuffling and cleaning and fixing broken systems and uh the marina you guys are in do they have uh well I know you said you're on solar right now but do they have shore power and water hookups or anything like that for your boat or do you go on shore to take a hot shower or do you do that in your uh yeah they've got like a bathroom facility here so they've got showers and toilets and stuff so we don't have to do that on the boat and we fill up our water tanks but we filled them up once since we've had the boat so yeah we've got a big water tank water tank.

Speaker 5 1:07:24

That's good.

Speaker 3 1:07:25

We're only on we're only on solar right now because we're just testing our batteries out and but usually we're on shore power.

Speaker 5 1:07:31

Yeah we have a 30 amp uh shore power hookout so well that's good once we leave the dock it'll just be solar and water engine that puts oh do you guys have a diesel generator on board as well or no we're not just just the main engine solar yeah we we do up end up having to motor quite a bit because we're like on the inland side of the island so the wind is generally not favorable ever. Right. Like it's either way too much or not enough.

Speaker 3 1:08:10

Yeah it's actually a great place to learn how to sail if you want to get really skilled at like changing your points of sail and raising and lowering sails and figuring out like what kind of sail you set up you want for what kind of wind and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 1:08:24

If you don't like the wind direction you just kind of wait 20 minutes it'll change crazy yeah literally I think like literally the wind changed 180 degrees four times yesterday while we were in the expert attacking so yeah like we got hit with the same storm twice because the wind changed a hundred degrees and blue there was like blue sky and then there was clouds and you could watch them blow over we got rained on and we got blue sky and then the wind changed direction and then it reverbed that almost sounds like my uh my dad I used to have to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow exactly sounds like you guys are getting some great stories though I mean that's that's awesome and uh you said you're you guys are thinking about Alaska in August heading up that way around July August or like we can't get into Alaska this year because if we come back then we have to do a two week quarantine which is like yeah a whole gong show and like it's like special hotels now is a quarantine like they've gone pretty hard on it so it won't be this year that we get actually into Alaska but um maybe next summer maybe the summer after yeah so what are your uh what are your big plans for this summer you still gonna head north or we're gonna hit all the islands that are kind of around us so if you look on a map if you find Campbell River you'll see that like from here north it's just like a ton of islands like it's insane.

Speaker 3 1:09:57

You could spend probably like four or five years exploring just the islands between here and the end of Vancouver Island and you wouldn't even scratch the surface of what's here.

Speaker 5 1:10:07

And the inlets like there's there's tons of inlets that go up and some of them are like crazy far we wouldn't even be able to make it up to the end in a day.

Speaker 3 1:10:19

Yeah like crazy fire like super steep yeah yeah so there's so much like from what we've heard Alaska is actually better for like the nature because we've done a lot more logging I guess than what's happened in Alaska but it sounds like there's still an insane amount of amazing stuff to explore here.

Speaker 2 1:10:40

So yeah we were thinking about actually circumnavigating the island this year but again because of how many communities are closed like most of the kind of remote communities that we'd need to stop at to provision or whatever they're not we're not guaranteed to be able to get into them so we're kind of putting that on the I think that's what a lot of people who don't sail or do long trips like like that they don't understand the the logistics that go into it of okay we have to be able to get food we have to be able to provision our boat it's not just oh hey let's uh let's all go jump on board for a for a sail and we'll just cruise up to Alaska or we'll just circum you know we'll just go around the island you know no we gotta actually plan we gotta stop here we gotta make this much time in a day you know yeah yeah and like we get crazy storms that roll through where you pretty much have to go find a hole to hide in for you know up to a week or two to get a good weather window.

Speaker 3 1:11:41

Have enough food and water to last that long while you're there because there's no stores anywhere around you can't just there again like there's no transit so it's not even like you jump onto the main island and grab a bus. Like there's no way to get anywhere.

Todd 1:11:54

So no you're miles and miles no roads to where you're at like it really is the adventure and adventure travel like there's there's a survival aspect of it right it's it's it's real for sure yeah yeah you pretty much have to be self-sufficient unless you really like risk in your life.

Speaker 2 1:12:13

Well there's I think there's something to be said about um that that self-reliance you know it's something that I think a lot of people have lost over the years that live in big cities the sh ever hit the fan so to speak you know they wouldn't know necessarily know what to do. You know they've you know as far as they know their meat doesn't have a face it just comes in styrofoam packages you know yeah and that's a big part of this whole lifestyle for us too is like figuring out that self-sufficient piece learning how to fish and learning how to collect food from the ocean and from the forest and whatever do they have uh I'm sure there's just like everywhere else there's you know fishing regulations and stuff but are you guys allowed to have out like uh cold water lobster traps or crab traps or you know crab pots anything like that or yeah we're allowed I'm not sure what the limit is for crab we there's a lot of prawning around here we control for salmon we can fish for cod certain times of year and in certain zones like there's a lot of uh like marine reserves and stuff where you can't fish and just like a lot of closures because of the overfishing and stuff so they're trying to uh kind of control that a bit because it's gotten out of hand in the last little while and it's yeah it's really been poorly managed in the past.

Speaker 3 1:13:46

And we actually don't have any cold water lobster up here.

Speaker 2 1:13:48

Okay we just have crab prawns and shrimp yeah prawns shrimp and crab prawns are delicious a little spice a little you know some bake some bread with her dip it in the juice and I'm getting hungry now there's uh there used to be a place here in LA called what was the name of that dog killer killer shrimp I think it was killer shrimp killer shrimp yeah they only made they only made three dishes it was spicy shrimp regular shrimp or shrimp with with rice and if you didn't get the rice they would just bring you a a bowl of shrimp either spicy or regular and a broth and a big loaf of bread and that was but that's all they made I didn't make anything else at all and it was amazing pretty good at it very good at it was awesome it was always tough to get into that place. It was uh good stuff so tell us about your

The YouTube Channel Details

Speaker 2 1:14:49

uh YouTube channel you guys got a million followers yet or I wish I haven't shown enough pictures of me and bikini yeah that's the issue we're not good enough at clickbait because it's cold here all the time yeah we're kind of not doing the normal thing and going south to where it's warm.

Speaker 3 1:15:14

Yeah but yeah we don't it's not as large as we would like that's for sure but it is growing we're getting new followers with every video so yeah we've had some stepbacks as well so it's yeah we told everybody we were gonna be out sailing last year and then you know you ended up on the highest videos of maintenance it turns to be the boat maintenance channel yeah exactly we went from like these beautiful like blue and turquoise waters diving and snorkeling and whatever to like here's a boat yard yeah but even those challenges are are worth uh documenting and watching and stuff I think there's good oh for sure and yeah build up the the natural audience you know build up the audience a natural way that way so yeah it's all good and I feel like I love watching those kinds of stories especially if it's like three years from now when it's like we've been out adventuring for three years and you can see like the hardship and the struggle that people went through to get to that point. It's great. It's like I mean I feel for those people and for myself but it's it's just so nice to see those kinds of like stories of perseverance.

Speaker 2 1:16:18

Absolutely yeah and you guys have a uh a website and a Patreon channel.

Speaker 3 1:16:24

The website is the dash wayward dash life.com and so it's like essentially similar to the channel but we go kind of into more depth and some blog posts and like each adventure I kind of turn into like a single blog post. So if you want to know more about that single adventure you can check that out. Yeah and just more info about us. Obviously we're in the process again of like kind of revamping the website because we got a different boat so things are changing on there.

Speaker 2 1:16:49

And the Patreon channel hopefully we'll have this one for a while.

Speaker 3 1:16:53

Yeah and Patreon I think is Wayward Life Sailing is our Patreon. Um and that's also in the process of revamping but essentially right now it's like it just helps us to make those videos and to keep sailing you can contribute whatever you feel monetarily makes sense and it helps us to make videos because it it takes a heck of a long time to make a video.

Speaker 2 1:17:14

That was my next question is uh just to give our listeners an idea of what goes into the making of one say 20 minute video of you guys uh you know one of your guys' adventures are you know are you doing like a day or two days of video and compressing it into a 20 minute video or I think it the average is like for every minute that you get a video content it's like 10 hours of filming and editing and that's about what it is.

Speaker 3 1:17:45

So obviously we're trying to like film most of the adventures that we go on and kind of the interesting things while we're sailing and stuff but then after that it's like another eight hours of editing for each minute. Yep. So you spend all day videoing and then all night editing multiple days multiple days of editing I'm sure I I love doing it but I would also really like to get paid for it.

Todd 1:18:09

Exactly I guess I mean just uh the yeah Cortez Island video you guys just dropped recently how how long ago did you actually go there? Last okay so you turned that around pretty fast.

Speaker 3 1:18:22

Yeah so then I sat here for like a full day and a half and edited that video after that. And then obviously there's all the plating that goes into making the video beforehand like figuring out which camera to bring and like what kind of shows I want what story I want to tell so it's not as easy as it's like oh look what we're doing.

Todd 1:18:42

This is this is what the place looked like I mean I guess you could do that too but it's yeah I'm I'm obviously an it's it's worth it alone regardless how many viewers have it. I mean it's a great journal uh you do a great job producing it because there's always a great story to be told each one that we're you're taking us along each time so we we love watching the videos it's fantastic so as

The Boat Brief

Todd 1:19:08

you guys know since you are listeners to the podcast also uh we usually have what we call the dive brief uh where we have some rapid fire questions to better get to know uh you guys but since this is a sailing adventure travel one we're gonna call it the boat brief boat brief so we're just gonna give you some quick questions to throw out there and just whatever comes to mind uh just shoot out the response yeah so we we got about eight eight questions first thing that comes to mind we'll start with what's your favorite boat snack oh those pretzel things oh yeah we found these amazing little thin pretzel things that you like they're like a pretzel crack can you get can you get a box you got you got a box tell us yeah they're unbelievable you guys find these things you gotta try them are they just like this is a very salty little pretzel treat kind of thing yeah but they're like from the natural health food store or whatever and they're supposedly good for you but I don't know I've seen those oh yeah they have those in our cross we have them too yes yeah we oh do you know I will try those for sure yeah snack bacteria they're just like I don't know they're like filling and easy to eat and just so flavorful they're like the best fake I've ever heard yeah what flav what flavor is that are they uh I know we had a honey mustard one that was really good really farming those are my favorite next time I see those in uh our Costco I think I'll be uh I'll grab those suckers. So your favorite piece of boat gear.

Speaker 5 1:20:46

Oh for me right now I just got new wet weather gear and I'm absolutely loving it. It is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 1:20:55

Yeah Mustang survival gear yeah it makes my life I can imagine it's to have good good wet weather gear is is you don't want to skimp there for sure. No I say that because I have I I've bought like the cheap the cheap frogs or whatever brand it is you know and it's just not it's just not there. Yeah. And right now like most of the time when you go out on the water it's it's pretty cold especially through the winter here and our cockpit's open right in our autopilot does something to be said with good wet weather gear that keeps you dry man that's for sure. What about you?

Speaker 3 1:21:44

Oh actually one of my friends gave me this really nice ArcTrax jacket because it didn't fit him anymore and that's what I've been wearing as my wet weather jacket that like seven layers of wool on your hands.

Speaker 2 1:21:54

Well do you have a Tara do you have another piece of boat gear that you're kind of digging on right now? Or camera gear. Or camera gear I mean good question.

Speaker 3 1:22:01

I love my Z6. I cannot complain about that thing at all because I love the camera. Oh yeah the freaking tripod we got a new tripod for like our DJI Osmo and it's like one of those one of those ones that I don't even know they're like encased but like the whole thing just like the gorilla pod kinda kind of thing it's it's like a gorilla pod yeah but it's like one continuous piece like the gorilla pod we had two of them and they both broke on us.

Speaker 5 1:22:28

But this one is like we keep breaking crazy yeah I don't know I don't even know what kind it is I can't even remember what it's called yeah like the bandy legs are encased in like rubber or something show it off show and tell right we're all in the boat with all the gear I can show you the gear oh okay it's just these guys very cool very cool oh it's so nice on the boat because everything's round and hard to connect stuff to and it just works.

Speaker 2 1:22:55

That's awesome. Yeah that's awesome so um if you could choose any anywhere to sell that you haven't been where where would you go? I know where I want to go.

Speaker 3 1:23:07

Yeah you probably just want to go to Alaska I want to go to northern Europe so bad so bad.

Speaker 2 1:23:14

Yeah and Logan does it Alaska and not so much for the no let me know when you want to go brother uh that's that's somewhere where I eventually like I'm really interested in going you might have to take my place because I'm terrified of like the roaring 40s definitely yeah I I want to go down and photograph leopard seals in the water yeah oh yeah that would be unbelievable whenever you want to go to Antarctica sign me up wait you're on the crew list yeah we'll move through we can we can become shellbacks on our way down.

Todd 1:23:52

Alright what's your guy's favorite boat drink?

Speaker 3 1:23:54

We got a soda stream yeah I think everybody that I know that lives on their boat now has one because they are so great for making like bubbly drinks and you don't have to carry a bunch of stupid bottles everywhere you're not worrying about getting rid of cans or whatever it's just like you have your glass of water and you have your bubble drink and you can make different flavors like they have cola and other flavors too right yeah yeah we just we even found like an organic local company that makes um makes like root beer syrup so now it makes your male root beer sugar I know that's awesome I'm still on I'm still on uh beer yeah you can still get the beer for me do you guys have a local craft brewer or anything that you like or uh yeah actually there's a lot of local craft breweries around here so it's we get pretty spoiled. Yeah I think every town on this island probably has one to three breweries in it at this point.

Speaker 5 1:24:49

And all really good beer too yeah the only complaint I have is that you can't buy a lot of the goods and stuff from like the liquor store you actually have to go into the place and a lot of the breweries like aren't allowing people to go in right now. Keep getting refills like you you have to get like the growlers or whatever and you know once you open it it's shelf life is pretty short.

Speaker 2 1:25:14

So well what Logan's saying is he doesn't have any self-control when he has hey I I understand nothing wrong with that and cool. What about uh your favorite sea animal um I'm all about the orcas.

Speaker 3 1:25:28

I freaking love orca whales so much. We haven't seen that many of them yet but um we're hoping this summer we get to see it.

Speaker 2 1:25:36

Is that kind of like the the window for them is summer for you guys up there or usually but like this year they've been around all year.

Speaker 3 1:25:45

And I'm not sure why. Like we're so like the main area where there's really good dive sites on the island here is about a two hour drive south of where we're living and the orcas have been there nonstop for like two months now like almost every day body there. We haven't seen them because we've been up here.

Speaker 2 1:26:03

The one year that we're up here because they're definitely a long pole that you can mount your Osmo to so you can stick it over the side into the water when you go by some orcas or something.

Speaker 3 1:26:16

That would be uh yeah but so like people will come from all over the world to come up here where we're at to whale watch in the summertime.

Speaker 2 1:26:23

Cool.

Speaker 3 1:26:24

So we're pretty stoked on hopefully being our own whale watching tour this year.

Speaker 5 1:26:28

Actually the marina that we're at has like four or five different uh whale watching companies and prepare tours and all kinds of stuff do you guys what all do you guys get other than orcas up there?

Speaker 3 1:26:41

Do you get like blue whales or mostly orcas and humpbacks yeah we get gray metals minky whales lots of different kinds of porpoises and dolphins yeah yeah tons of stuff still just like seeing new to brands love the news man of the news that's awesome when you saw that video of the uh sea otter uh running away from the orcas were you rooting for the orca to catch sea otter honestly I think there was there was one a few years ago and it was like in the noose which is like again pretty close to where those orcas are and it like jumped on the back of it's like similar to the one I think you're talking about it jumped on the back and it was already injured. Oh no and I was so bad at like people were like oh that poor steel and I was like it was deal it wasn't an otter and people I was like you should it should just be like back in the water it's already injured they need it for like circle of circle of water but it's super circle of water yeah I'm like I'm so into orcas that I'll literally have dreams about orcas like every two weeks and in the dreams I'm like swimming with them or I'm going to take pictures of them and I can't find my camera and that's how I know it's a dream and it's not reality is I can't Can't find my camera because I always have a camera on.

Speaker 2 1:28:02

At all times.

Speaker 5 1:28:03

I'm constantly tripping over cameras.

Speaker 2 1:28:07

See, that's when you know it goes from it goes from a dream to a nightmare, right? I can't find my camera.

Speaker 3 1:28:12

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I start crying in the dream, and I'm like, no, it was so cool.

Todd 1:28:20

What is the most frustrating thing that about sailing?

Speaker 3 1:28:23

I think that the wind is so unpredictable here and so variable, that's really frustrating. It's also like I said earlier, like you learn a lot because of it, but it's also like you're just like, I want to get somewhere, I just want to put the sails up and I just want to enjoy it. And you get like 20 minutes of that, and then it's like, nope, you gotta change everything. So that's kind of frustrating.

Speaker 5 1:28:43

But it's kind of a toss-up between turning on the motor.

Speaker 2 1:28:49

Is it is it turning on the motor because you're wondering if it's going to start?

Speaker 5 1:28:55

No, no. When you're out there sailing and everything's going good, and it's it's just so nice to be, you know, powered by the wind. Like it's quiet, you can hear and feel everything. Like um, and I spend a lot of time around diesel motors.

Speaker 4 1:29:15

I just don't want to turn it on, man.

Speaker 5 1:29:17

Yeah, that's probably the most frustrating thing is having to turn it on when you're like when you're in between places and you you could sail, but there's just no way.

Speaker 2 1:29:27

Right on. Alright, so uh how about what is your uh your favorite sailing or boating movie?

Speaker 3 1:29:35

Pirates of the Caribbean. That's the only real sailing movie that I'm really like stoked on. I don't know why. And obviously, like sailing channels, like YouTube sailing channels get me really stoked on it because it's real life. Most of it and you're seeing so many cool new places.

Speaker 5 1:29:50

Yeah, I prefer to watch actual people doing actual things.

Todd 1:29:53

Right on well, uh good trends.

Speaker 3 1:29:56

But that also pirates the character.

Todd 1:29:57

There we go. All right, and then that brings us to that. Uh our next and last question, which is other than your channel or our channel, what's your favorite either podcast or YouTube channel that you guys like to watch?

Speaker 3 1:30:08

On the Wind by Andy Shell. That's a great podcast. Yeah. Just about sailing.

Speaker 5 1:30:14

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:30:15

Um yeah, and I think my favorite YouTube channel right now is called Sailing Magic Carpet. And it's it's not she they're doing sailing as well, but they just her storytelling is just awesome. I think the videos themselves are really well made, and her storytelling's great, and their boats really cool too. I think it's a really cool couple.

unknown 1:30:35

Yeah.

Speaker 5 1:30:36

Yeah, and I've been watching uh free range sailing. They're just like yeah, I don't even know how people can have that many skills.

Speaker 2 1:30:51

I've seen a few people like that. I've known a few people like that.

Speaker 5 1:30:54

Gives me something to strive for anyway. They're living like off-grid on their sailboat in Australia and they like circumnavigated Australia and they they're living on a 30-foot sailboat, and they are going like months and months and months between provisioning or doing anything and mostly. Yeah, they do a lot of really cool things. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:31:23

Right on. Uh so why don't you uh guys tell us? Well, I know you already told us where they can find you, but tell us again where plug your guys' channel again.

Speaker 3 1:31:34

So our our main gig is our YouTube channel, which is uh Wayward Life Sailing. But you can also find us on Instagram, and there's a lot of pictures and cool stuff on there too. I'm also doing more kind of storytelling of what it's like to live on a sailboat on that, and that is the.life. And then obviously our website and um Patreon. I guess Patreon's more important than I make it sound because that's where we make it happen.

Speaker 2 1:32:02

So where where do they find you on Patreon?

Speaker 3 1:32:05

So it's uh patreon.com slash waywardlifesailing, I believe. And you can also find that through our website, through Instagram, or through YouTube.

Speaker 4 1:32:14

That's awesome.

Speaker 3 1:32:14

The easiest way. If you click on any one of our YouTube videos, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:32:18

We'll also add all that to our show notes and stuff so people can.

Todd 1:32:21

Yeah, and we'll post some you got some good intro videos for people that aren't familiar with your channel already. We'll post those too so they can get it kind of get a feeling and uh to see what you guys are about um and see all the amazing adventure you guys are living. So we're we're really enjoying living vicariously through you guys. Uh but thank you so much for giving us your time, guys. We I know this was many, many months in the in the making, and I'm just so excited to get to chat with you guys in person and uh meet you and and Max too, of course, uh wherever he is. And uh we wish you guys the best of luck you can't. Hopefully, we'll get to see you guys. Yeah, there he is.

Speaker 2 1:32:59

That's what I'm gonna be doing about half an hour taking a nap.

Todd 1:33:02

Exactly. He's living a good life. Yeah, thanks so much, guys. Uh really appreciate it. And hopefully, we can maybe do a follow-up once you guys are out and maybe heading heading out to Alaska or heading down uh south. We can do a follow-up from the next port of call and and see what you guys are up to and do a follow-up.

Speaker 3 1:33:20

Yeah, that'd be amazing. That sounds great. We'd love that.

Speaker 2 1:33:24

Thanks a lot, guys. Like I said, it was it was a pleasure. Really, really was enjoyed talking with you guys.

Speaker 3 1:33:28

Yeah, too. Thanks so much. Yeah, I'm happy we finally got this to work.

Todd 1:33:34

Yeah, us too. Yeah, us too. And it'll hopefully not be another year before we do the next one. Right. Yeah, keep our fingers crossed, and you'll still be on Papa Rumba, right? Everyone, keep their fingers crossed.

Speaker 5 1:33:46

Yes, yep. This is our boat. Yeah, it might have a different name. That's the same boat.

Todd 1:33:51

Amen.

Speaker 2 1:33:52

There you go.

Todd 1:33:54

All right, guys. Happy sailing. We'll talk to you guys soon and keep up with you uh as your adventures continue.

Speaker 2 1:34:00

All right on. See you guys later. All right, bye guys.

Todd 1:34:04

See ya. Cheers.

Speaker 4 1:34:05

Bye.