Recap of WWDC 2026, and an all-new Siri - Talking Technology extra

On this episode of Talking Technology, we dive into the new updates announced by Apple at yesterday‘s Worldwide Developers Conference Keynote. The big topic of conversation is, of course, the new and improved Siri, but why aren’t we getting it in Europe yet?

David Redmond, Daniel Dunne, Derry Lawler, and Tyler Stephen discuss all that and more. 

Join the conversation with a WhatsApp voice note. The number you need is +353 86 199 0011. 

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This Vision Ireland podcast contains chapter markers. If you want to skip the intro or a topic you don't like, you can use chapter markers to do so. Chapter markers are only supported in some podcast apps. Enjoy the show. Welcome to Talking Technology with VI Labs. At VI Labs, we believe technology is the single greatest enabler for people with sight loss and all disabilities. If you're looking for the latest news and conversation on tech, from a more accessible perspective, you've come to the right place. It has happened. It has finally happened. WWDC 2026. It's over. Well, it's still going on, I suppose, in California. But we've had the keynote. It has happened. Possibly, if I'm not mistaken, Tim Cook's last, certainly his last WWDC, but possibly his last keynote as CEO, Crazy Times. He had a little bit of a personal note at the end of the presentation last night, for those of you in Ireland and in the morning for many in the States and around the world. But, yeah, it's crazy to think. But there were some changes and we'll talk about the changes to the format and all of that of the presentation in a bit. But we got updates across all of the Apple platforms. We got news on a brand new Siri that we'll talk about in a bit. And we also got loads of interesting updates around trust and safety, Apple intelligence and some just general, I suppose, quality of life improvements. And we are going to discuss all that over the next little while. But so do stick with us and be sure, as always, to join the conversation. We'd love to hear your thoughts on the event, whether you watch it live, caught up later and what you're looking forward to or not looking forward to about the new releases from the Apple platforms. There are loads of ways to get in touch with us. And here is how you can do it. So if you want to join the conversation, there are loads of ways to do so. You can send us a WhatsApp voice note if you would like the number that you need for that. It's 086 199 0011. That's 086 199 0011. And if you want to do that from around the world, the country code that you need for Ireland, that's 353. And then you drop the zero. So it's 353 86 199 0011. And you can also, if you would like to do it the good old fashioned way, you can send us an email. The email that you need there is content at V I dot I E. So content at V I dot I E. So no matter how you would like to get in touch, we would love to hear from you. So do feel free to join the conversation. Now, many of you have already joined the conversation, but we're not going to go through voice notes in this episode. We are instead going to leave them for our next episode and jump straight into the main topic for the show today. And I am delighted to be joined from the States by Tyler Stephen from Applevice, from the Applevice editorial team. And I also have Derry Lawler here from Dublin as well, who has been trying out the betas. Gentlemen, how are we? Good. Good, David. Good. Excellent stuff. So, Tyler, I'm going to start with yourself and I should say we will have Daniel Dunne joining us in a few minutes as well. To go through some of his thoughts on the updates. But Tyler, I'm going to start with yourself. What was your impression of last night's event? What were your initial takeaways? Well, what's interesting, what stood out to me, but this presentation compared to prior ones is the format and how it was presented. So in previous years, Apple would devote time to each platform, say iOS, iPadOS, MacOS, watchOS, and then they do maybe a little thing on TVOS and audio, AirPods, HomePods, that kind of thing. Whereas this year it changed and instead went by three main pillars, general refinements and quality of life, trust and safety, and AI. And it seemed like each operating system update was referenced in relation to one of those three pillars. I think as far as features go, it was more of a low key event than some past keynotes. And I think that was to be expected. One of the things this year leading up to the keynotes, the rumors were that it was going to be in all these releases, iOS 27, iPadOS 27, MacOS 27, were going to be Snow Leopard type releases that, of course, referring to Mac OS X Snow Leopard from back in released in 2009, which famously had no new features and focused on performance, reliability. And as it happened, there were a lot of accessibility improvements in Mac OS X Snow Leopard. That's what I remember as a blind Mac user from back in the day. And so for that, much of the features were around either AI or some improvements for trust and safety and parental controls and that sort of thing. Derry, if I come to yourself, what stood out to you? When I thought it was one of the fastest presentations we ever had in years, some of them went on for a lot longer. This seemed to be in and quick. And I thought AI was a big country part this year. And I know we won't see a lot of that in Europe, unfortunately. But yeah, I felt AI was the big one this year for most people. Yeah. And I think the whole thing was done in about an hour and 15 minutes. It didn't take that long. And some of these have gone on for two hours or longer in the past. Yeah. So maybe that new format is leading to a bit more efficiency. So let's tackle then in some of those three pillars and we'll get to the big topic of all of the AI stuff or the lack of AI for those of us in Europe in a bit. But let's start with some of those quality of life improvements. The big one here for people, I guess, particularly with low vision, is there is some improvements to how their new design works. So last year they, I suppose, controversially, it's fair to say, among people who are visually impaired, introduced liquid glass. This was their new design. And some people felt that this made things a little bit, I suppose, more difficult to read, a little bit more challenging to work with for them. They are now they're not reversing course, but they are, I guess, introducing a lot more toggles to allow you to customize how liquid glass interacts. And you have a greater degree of levels of tint that you can apply to the glass to make that a little bit easier for your specific level of vision and give you a little bit more contrast there as well. So, gentlemen, I suppose, Tyler, if I come to yourself, I know I don't believe you have vision, so this may not be relevant to yourself. But this is good to see them at least paying attention to accessibility in certain ways. Yes, and you're correct, I am totally blind. I have no vision, so I can't speak on, you know, old liquid, you know, 26 liquid glass versus 27 liquid glass. But it is good to have them focus on it. And I got the impression that they're trying to say they're listening things, you know, feedback that has been given about the new design. So they have, you know, added some of those settings, which will hopefully make it more legible for people who have struggled with liquid glass. You know, with reading it or interpreting it, and there were a number of other improvements, too, like, for example, according to them, apps launch up to 30 percent faster. Photos appear in iCloud photo library and up to 70 percent faster. AirDrop transfers are supposed to be faster, too, as well as some network connectivity improvements, things when handing off between cellular and Wi-Fi, that's supposed to be improved, as well as connecting via AirPlay. Nothing that I would call high, you know, nothing sexy or highly marketable, but things that people will appreciate even if they don't even if they don't know it, because that improved quality of life can reduce the friction points and glitches that sometimes crop crop up in the course of using an iOS device or a Mac or an Apple TV. Yeah, I AirDrop stuff all the time, and I think they mentioned if I recall, it was like six times faster for AirDropping some files. And I think they specifically called out the iPad in that. So I was like, this is good. This is really interesting. And I think, you know, it is those little quality of life things that do reduce do reduce friction, I guess, in a lot of ways. We then moved on to trust and safety, which they did touch on a few different things, but their big focus here was specifically around kids and those kind of parental controls. They did quite a lot here, and a lot of it seems like an expansion of screen time, Derry. I don't know. Do you use the screen time features on iOS in the current form much? I don't, but I know they did also just if you have children to set up a kids account, so your own, your children have their own iTunes account. So I think that's kind of a good thing. And that's kept them watchable. No, I don't. I don't use the screen time at all. I just keep going at it. I wish I could put this in on myself, but no, I think it is good that they have more safety features built in and set up the child, set up the kids iTunes. You know, the Apple account. So, you know, apps are monitored, I think. It's interesting because I know from setting some of this stuff up for family members that one of the big challenges was trying to get things, not just necessarily restricting apps, but also restricting, and Apple touched on this as well, content within certain apps. Like the big ones are like YouTube and TikTok and stuff like that. But it is something that I think, you know, hopefully app developers will be able to integrate with some of this stuff through APIs and allow not just to have time limits on the apps, but also to have a bit more flexibility in what is allowed. Because they talked a lot about restricting things at the point of download or at the point of purchase. But hopefully it does become a bit more flexible than that as well. And I think it sounds like it is, but it's going to be very interesting to see how that all plays out, isn't it? So I don't know, Tyler, was there anything that stood out to you as well in the trust and safety? I mean, like we'll get onto the sexy side of the AI in a minute. But was there anything that stood out to you in that second half of the keynote either? Not particularly. I'm not in the demographic group that would use, say, the parental controls. These features have, you know, at least the child account and some of those things and the declarative age range API have existed for a number of years now in various forms. They are really building it out. I think it's a way to respond to or get ahead of increased prevalence of age verification laws in various places in the world. What I am most interested, you know, about that is how it relates to accessibility, because there are extra barriers when you start trying to make people prove their age. You know, be it a face scan, document scan, you know, various things to do that. And that can create friction for accessibility. So I'm always wondered how Apple would account for those things. I know they're limited in what they can do as far as especially with these things being region specific and largely a patchwork now. But as far as this realm, I am probably most interested in what they can do to bolster accessibility in, say, age in age verification so that it's as little of an additional impediment as possible. Yeah, it's a fair point. I know when I was over in the UK, not that long ago, I think I opened if I'm not mistaken, I think it was Reddit. And I got a pop up from Apple asking if they could share my age with the app to, you know, to prove that I was, you know, of age to use it or whatever the case may be. And that was quite a good process because it didn't ask for any face scans or whatever. I think it just assumed from my Apple account and knew from what I was doing that I was the age that I said I was, which is great. But we do have that here in Ireland a lot with the banks in particular, that they require age verification or document verification. Now, we do have the European Accessibility Act, which is great in that it requires them to ensure that that process is accessible. But arguably, then you get to the point where you're asking, well, what is accessibility, because you still have to align the camera and you still have to, you know, aim at a document or whatever. So it's not always the easiest thing for someone to do. I had an issue, I think we wrote about it in our newsletter with the government ID service here in Ireland, my Gov ID, trying to get my face verified because my left eye isn't like it does not look like a normal eye. So it's an interesting one, you know, how is it going to work for those with prosthetic eyes, for example, it's going to be a very interesting one to watch over the next couple of years as to how all of these things work. But in fairness to Apple, they kind of did work that out with Face ID. So there is hope for us, at least to a certain extent. Are you guys both using a Face ID capable iPhone and how do you find that experience generally? It seems to work all the time for me now. I mean, I know in the early days we'd be the tricky, but no, no, I'm 16 Pro Max and Face ID works pretty much 100% for me. Tyler, Youssef? Yes, I use Face ID. It's good, it works. So I don't think there's any, I haven't noticed anything. It's not, it's different than touch ID, but once I get used to it, it's fine. So for age verification, do the things you use in Ireland, do they rely on the declarative age range API or is it its own thing? Usually it's its own thing. So for us, the big ones that use it here are the banks and they will get you to do a face scan or a selfie scan. How a lot of them have gone through this is in terms of making it accessible. They have switched that from a photo to a video. So they will do a kind of, you know, they'll ask you to take a video and then you'll get voiceover guidance as you do it. And then it will just, it does everything automatically and will say that you're done. Now, some of the apps are worse than others. Some of the banks do really good when it comes to accessibility and some of them are mixed. Like some have custom voiceover implementations and stuff like that. But it's a mixed bag, but there's not a whole lot being used around the direct Apple APIs here right now. So I wonder if with this expansion of trust and safety, if Apple is trying to market their APIs so that apps will be able to just simply query the operating system and the operating system would provide a token, a testing to their age rather than people having to actually share their age. So if they can get it into a way where their declarative age range is considered a trustworthy source, then that could eliminate some of those barriers. Who knows? Who knows? Yeah, it's an interesting one. We do have, he has joined us, Mr. Daniel Dunn has joined us and Daniel, we were just talking about a lot of the stuff around child safety and stuff like that. And Apple doing a lot of work to expand their parental controls. I know you do a lot of work with the children's team here in Vision Ireland as well. This is hugely important. Do you think Apple are going far enough or do you think companies need to be going further with this kind of thing? Definitely, it's a good improvement to see these tools coming in that parents can use. You know, from the point of view of being able to not just kind of set a password or something like that for somebody to install an app, you know, which kind of up to now was as much as was offered, you know, and this goes a little bit further. I do I do like the idea of, you know, being able to do the time allowances and website approvals, which probably wasn't, you know, wasn't really there before being able to set up child accounts. So obviously, that's going to be definitely restrict down, you know, age sensitive material. So, you know, I see this as a new departure, really. And I think it's something that can be really built upon as, you know, this thing will be a living development, you know, as as this gets rolled out, parents are obviously going to give their feedback. And, you know, it will shape future rollouts and improvements. So I think it's absolutely brilliant to see these sets of tools come along. And, you know, I anticipate it's going to get better as time goes forward. It was interesting to see that the people talking about the trust and safety for kids at the keynote last night, they were the health people. Yeah, you know, that was an interesting departure. It wasn't, you know, security or whatever. It was health. Yeah. Yeah. Child development experts were their part or part are as well as heavily involved in shape and the development of these new tools. And, yeah, so I think straight off that that is is going to be an important, you know, it says more to Apple is just they're not just box ticking with this. It seems like just like to talk on accessibility years ago, and I've really made a good fist of it. I think this is going to be another area where they're going to concentrate big on going into the future. Super stuff. So let's move on then to the big topic of conversation. That's being AI, artificial intelligence, Apple intelligence, Siri, AI, all of these various things. There was lots of stuff that Apple announced, but the key thing for us in Ireland is we don't know exactly what we're getting just yet, because we know that we're not getting Siri AI, but we don't know what that means for us in terms of some of the other Apple intelligence features. They did say that the Apple intelligence improvements and Siri AI were not coming to China just yet, but they only mentioned Siri AI when it came to Europe. They didn't mention the Apple intelligence stuff. I actually have a little piece on what they've said, the decision not to roll out Siri AI in the EU is Apple and Apple's only. So it's not necessarily an EU decision, it's because it's not going to stop Apple from doing it under the rules. The companies, digital companies, whether it's Apple, Google, whoever, must ensure their products are interoperable, requiring Apple to open its products to features produced by its rivals. Now, this is kind of interesting because behind it is Google Gemini. So we're kind of, OK, so it was it wasn't meeting the essential privacy and security standards. So even though Apple did seek an exemption from it, they said, no, they're not getting an exemption, it's not an option. Because it would mean that Apple's Siri would be getting favouritism, I guess, from an EU point of view. So, you know, I think it's from the point of view where they want the likes of Apple iPhones to be able to bring in another voice, you know, a voice assistant or AI assistant, I suppose, as we're going to be known and going forward. So would you, you know, would you have the option of using Alexa as the default AI assistant on an iPhone? Yeah, that's I think that's where it's gone. Trying to read between the lines of it's a little bit legally jargon in there. But yeah, like you should be able to use different AI assistant tools on your phone. Yeah, absolutely. It's going to be interesting to see, though, how they can integrate, because it seems with Apple Intelligence, they've integrated it everywhere in lots of different ways. So it's going to be interesting to see how that rolls out. Now, Tyler and Derek, you guys have both tried the betas and obviously you don't have access to the Siri AI beta yet. But have you noticed anything, Tyler, I'll start with yourself. Have you noticed anything with any of the new Apple Intelligence features? We talked earlier before starting recording about the descriptions with VoiceOver for images. Yes, so I have tried those out on both iOS and Mac OS. And what I can tell, they are more descriptive than what VoiceOver would offer previously, but not to the level of say something like Be My AI or Aira Access. In particular, they don't describe attributes of people. So other AI tools will convey what they perceive about a person. This Apple Intelligence image descriptions will not do that. Even the extent of gender and stuff, which I thought was really interesting. Yes, it doesn't. In my experience, it does not describe those. For me, it's a way to quickly get an overview, a basic summary of an image, say the main focus, the environment and things like that. But I think more detail would still involve things like Be My AI. So I don't think right now that it replaces any AI tools, really, it's just it replaces VoiceOver's prior image description capabilities for me. But I don't think it will displace anything, any third party tools in my toolkit. Derry, if I come to you, were those tools available for you in Ireland? No, no, I've downloaded the iOS 27 last night, I suppose around 8 o'clock and still now it's still indexing in the background. I have no access to Apple Intelligence at all. OK, that's really interesting. Nothing. And did you have much of an indexing process for your one, Tyler? Yes, it did say it's indexing and performance may be impacted. I kind of plugged it in, let it do its thing, I had my Mac plug in and also let it do its thing. And so at the start, it did seem pretty laggy on both platforms. I think just while it was indexing, that takes a lot of resources. But then after that, it sort of leveled off and started to feel a bit more snappy. OK, I think that's due to the new search as part of the refinements. This wasn't specifically as Apple Intelligence, but one of the refinements is there a new search infrastructure, which is supposed to service more surface information more quickly and readily. So I think that's what was going on with the indexing. I love that idea of being able to say, oh, you know, like someone sent me their address, you know, six months ago, just being able to quickly ask, well, what is that person's address or, you know, tell me information about, you know, stuff that I use copilot for that here in work sometimes. Just, you know, what is the, you know, this specific information that I wrote down in a note, you know, six months ago, 12 months ago, and just being able to quickly get that. I do love the idea that that is something that could conceivably come to Apple Intelligence and Siri, but we'll have to see how much of that makes its way to to Ireland. Also, the new Siri and in particular, the new voices and stuff like that, they are only, and I don't know that Apple said this through speech, they are only coming to the most modern of iPhones. So on the on the iPhone side, it's the iPhone Air and the 17 Pro. And then it is for the Mac and iPad devices, it's those that are above the M3 and M4 respectively. So that's going to be really interesting. You know, even if you have like a a really modern phone like, you know, a 17E or whatever, they're still trying to really differentiate between the devices. Yeah, I think that's due to at least the way Apple is conveying it. The higher RAM requirement, you need at least 12 gigs of RAM. And as you said, on iPhone and a Pro model or an Air and on the Mac and M3 or later. Yeah, interesting one. So you can install iOS 27 on iPhone 11 upwards, so that's kind of good, too. So if you have an iPhone 12 or 13, you're not out of the race. You won't have the Apple intelligence, but you'll still be able to have the latest and greatest iOS. And they are that apps or the phones will operate 30% faster, you know, opening apps and things like that with your phone, getting in around your library is going to be photo library 70% faster, sharing files over, AirDrop is 80% faster. So I think, you know, I think this is going to be a good thing for somebody who's on an iPhone 11 or 12 and maybe find that they're just starting to struggle a little bit. This appears to be this appears to be the iOS is being kind of retweeted a bit from the ground up so that it's it's going to run smoother, faster, more responsive, even on these older handsets. So where somebody might have been considering, oh, I might change out this iPhone 11 and, you know, it's it's it's getting laggy by going up to iOS 27. Good, good. Yeah, absolutely. And like the iPhone 11, like that's not today or yesterday. Like, you know, you're going to get you're getting good mileage out of that kind of stuff at this point, which is great. Daniel, what was your take on some of the Siri announcements? This whole thing, we've seen this before, you know, companies, even in the accessibility sphere, we've seen it with companies like Glide. You know, they're very scared of the EU from an, I suppose, an AI point of view. Yeah, you know, it is we've seen it, I suppose, before with the Meta glasses, like they like great surge in interest over the last year and a half, maybe two years now, time is flying by so quick, you know, about the great interest in Meta glasses and how they're, you know, they've been really well adopted across Ireland. And I can be sure to say it's probably across the EU as well. But prior to that, like they have been around a good number of years before that. And we just really didn't get the full services of them here because Meta and the EU had a RG Barty over the legislation, which, you know, the EU has a much stronger and much stronger legislation saying about where, you know, how data is to be used. We've seen it with GDPR, how data is to be used, how it's to be kept inside the EU. And because these big companies are global, you know, it kind of goes against their bottom line that, oh, we'll put all the data processing in, you know, let's say United States or we'll put it in wherever, pick another country. But you don't want your data leaving the EU borders to be processed in another country. So that means they do have to invest in here to make sure that the data processing and the AI processing of any of your requests is done inside the EU. Yes. So is that a good thing? Is this whole is, you know, is it holding back technology from getting across Europe and our American and Canadian cousins are getting it first? Yeah, it's probably leading to it, too. Yeah, it's an interesting one. I must say, I did find a lot of the stuff with the new Siri to be very cool. So the new Siri, Siri is getting its own app, the Siri AI app, which seems to me a little bit kind of like something like a chat GPT or a cloud or a Gemini, which is pretty cool. And you can also there are upgrades as well to the image playgrounds app, which can now create realistic images again, similar to something like chat, GPT, Gemini or Claude. But they are, I suppose, integrating this, making it a lot more like Gemini. So you can make requests like, you know, find the photos from a specific event and then you can send them to a specific person. You know, that's that's that's what I like. I think that is so cool. And, you know, whether whether you're using your phone with voiceover magnification or standard searching for stuff yourself saying, oh, I know I took a photo such a thing, you know, back a couple of months back. You come back to your photo gallery. It's often when you're sitting down with friends and you're having a good chat and you know, you want to show somebody, oh, look at this cool picture I have from forever. And you're saying, gosh, was that last January was the last February and you're scrolling through thousands of photos on your on your on your gallery. And now you can just go, you know, ask it to find it for you and it brings you straight to it. I think that is brilliant. That is probably the best tool I've seen. The really interesting, the real test of that for me, every year we have in Vision Ireland, we have a campaign called Clear Our Paths, so they post loads of photos and stuff like that to social media of different path blockages, be it with bins, cars, all of that and encouraging people to move their stuff off footpaths to make it more accessible for those of us who are blind or visually impaired. And I take photographs for this campaign throughout the year. Anytime I find something absurd on a footpath and I can't wait to test Apple Intelligence in September and just be like, find all the photos of weird things on footpaths and just see how it handles it. But it's going to be an interesting one to see. Yeah, yeah, it should be good. Absolutely. Also, one of the big ones that is coming, and I think this is going to make a massive change, is they're integrating Apple Intelligence into lots of other little services as well, such as the home app. So you will be able to get descriptions of your security camera footage, which is really cool. But one of the big ones, Tyler, if I come to you on this, is integration with the shortcuts app that you will be able to create automations using natural language. Now, I use shortcuts quite extensively, but it was very funny to hear Apple saying that they were difficult to create. They admitted that themselves, but they're trying to make it a bit more simple. Yeah, so that's one of those things where shortcuts has been available since 2018. And they've always marketed it as a way to make your life simpler through automation. But the reality is it is sort of it is mainly used by more technically minded users. So with this, with natural language, it's almost like vibe coding in the sense that rather than manually writing code or using an IDE, using something you could use something like Claude code or Codex to code an app or an extension or whatever. And I think with shortcuts being a similar deal, not that the not that you're interacting necessarily with the code if you're creating shortcuts, but rather than going through the process of selecting actions and conditions and variables and all that stuff, just using natural language and having the AI create that shortcut for you could make it more accessible to more people, could lower the lower the barrier and the cost of entry, if you will. Yes, they used examples here, you know, like, you know, automate, you know, you want to automate someone getting a notification every time that you leave work, let's say. So I could say something like each time I leave the Vision Ireland office, you know, send a message to Daniel to let him know that he can't message me anymore. And that kind of thing, you know, you can play around with that sort of stuff and just give it different commands. And I think especially as more developers come on board with this, like we've had a lot from the food delivery apps and other services like that here in Ireland. I think that could be very, very interesting just to see kind of as companies embrace it and as companies allow information to be accessed by shortcuts as well. So that's going to be really, really interesting. And you mentioned vibe coding there. For those who don't know, vibe coding is basically using AI to write code rather than writing it yourself, using natural language. And they touched on this new feature that they're adding to Safari called describe an extension. So you will be able to describe a specific function that you want Safari to do and it will be able to add a button to allow you to do this. I'll be very interested to see if this has accessibility benefits in terms of, you know, maybe simplifying the layout of a page or something like that. There is some possibility that that could happen, but we'll have to play around with it and test it. I don't know, have any of you tried that feature just yet? I haven't. Another feature of Safari that I think could be useful day to day is a feature that will notify you when a website changes in a certain way. So, for example, if I have a bunch of tabs opened and looking for something and the website is something on a website that's constantly changing, rather than having to refresh the page and go through my open tabs, if I can have it notify me when something on a website changes, something that's pertinent to what I'm doing, I can close those tabs, get them out of my way. And, you know, when I see that something's changed, I could just go into that and, you know, not have to deal with all the extra friction of, you know, waiting around, refreshing, going through tabs, if it can organize that on its own. Yeah, that'd be a good chance. And I've not tried that yet, so I don't know with either of these features how they work in practice. And that's the ultimate test, not Apple's marketing materials and demos, but how effective is it in day to day use? Because AI can make good demos, but as we saw two years ago when they first demoed the revamped Siri, it's harder to make it, you know, work at scale and reliably than it is to just do product demos. Yeah, I wonder, would it be able to watch out for things going on sale and stuff like that? You know, keep an eye on this Amazon page and let me know when the price drops or whatever the case may be. That could be really cool. So time will tell on that too. I'm trying to think those were the main things, just to, I suppose, finish up then on those kind of core bits. Derry, I'll start with yourself. What has your main impression been of some of the additions to voiceover or changes with voiceover? What have you noticed in the 26 or sorry, 27 beta so far? Well, I think getting around the screen, it's much more responsive, speaking to the name of the apps and, you know, the next button, you get that quickly. The only bad downside I've got is that voiceover is reading out the time to me in 12 hour rather than 24 hour. So I haven't set it in settings, general date and time to 24 hour. But if it says 3pm rather than 1500, that's kind of just a bug pair, but that'll get fixed. I think it has got faster. I think eloquence is a lot better on it too. I could find eloquence very hard to, very muffled, but it's a lot clearer now. So yeah, I said I wouldn't run at the beta. I said that every year. They got you. They got you. They did, yeah. Tyler, if I ask you anything that's stood out to yourself so far? So with voiceover, I think the big change is the new image descriptions. They have changed some of the things with the audio and the sound, making it snappier, or at least just changing some of how it sounds. Right now I don't know how much of this is expected behavior and how much is just early beta type bugs. But I have noticed how things are snappier and the way certain things like buttons, for example, there's less of a pause. The overall user experience of voiceover and the impression I have is that it's not really changed much. I think the biggest change will be the Apple intelligence for image description. One thing that's interesting is, at least on Mac OS, you can have voiceover describe the screen. So I wonder if it can interpret things that would otherwise be inaccessible, or if it's kind of like what screen recognition does, like screen recognition on iOS and iPad OS, but it's never been available on Mac OS. But supposedly, voiceover can now describe the screen as an image. I don't know if it can interact with it. Like something like VLCR or any number of AI agents can, but I think that's interesting because it could, if done right, if expanded, could make certain things more accessible on Mac OS. Absolutely. I know Siri will begin with Siri AI, we'll be getting on-screen awareness. So I wonder if that'll be similar, where you don't need to even use screen recognition in that sense. But if Siri can interpret the screen, it could make content that would be otherwise inaccessible more accessible without needing to rely on a third-party tool. For sure. Yeah, it's going to be interesting. So to wrap up then, I do want to touch on one final point that I just thought this is kind of fascinating, and it sounds like the most boring thing in the world until you kind of realise what's going on in the background, and that is the updates to the passwords app. And Daniel, I want to come to you on this just to start off. The passwords app will now be able to use AI to go off, sign into your accounts for you on your behalf using AI and using AI agents, change your password for you and just let you know when that task is done. Is that Black Mirror stuff, or is that the best idea ever? No, I would not feel comfortable. Yeah, I would not feel comfortable with AI having my password. And even though they say a lot of these things will be done on the device itself, I'm still not comfortable. Fair. Derry, yourself, your take? I'd be fair. I think I switched to one password. Yeah, I think that if I'm not mistaken, they were nominated for an Applevice Golden Apple last year. And Tyler, then yourself, would you be letting AI just take over your life, change all your passwords, just run the operation for you? So I can't say that I've found the process of changing passwords prohibitively complex in my use case. I've never had a problem signing into an account and changing a password. It's never been something where I was like, Oh, I wish an AI agent could do that. But I can see how in some situations, it could be faster and easier, especially if I was using something, a website that wasn't accessible, or then again, you'd have to ask the question why I created a password there in the first place. But if maybe if something became accessible, and they also had a security breach where my password got compromised, have an AI agent change it. If it's on device, you know, if this all happens on device, and it's handled with the same care and level of encryption as say other AI tasks where they're not leaving the device or being retained in the cloud, I could use it, I wouldn't want a purely cloud based agent changing my passwords or storing this as part of their memory of me. As far as personal context goes, I'd say that's maybe too personal. But you know, if done right, you know, it could be useful. I could see it being more useful perhaps for those who don't already use a password manager. People who have the same password or similar passwords for everything, they're just words numbers or you know, things that would be highly susceptible to a dictionary attack. They could convert to using something like the passwords app, having, you know, long unique randomly generated passwords for each site, rather than going through the transition of changing each password individually, having the AI agent change the passwords for them could smooth out that transition, which could ultimately make them more secure in the long run. For sure. Well, look, there's lots to think about, lots to discuss. We will have more coverage in written form in Tech on Tap later in the week. And we're also going to be working on trying to get out some video stuff as well later in the week for people too. So be sure if you're not signed up already, you can sign up for Tech on Tap on the Vision Ireland website. That's vi.ie and do subscribe to the VI Labs YouTube channel too, where we will try and have some video content out possibly over the weekend. So do stick around for that. But for now, Tyler, Derry, Daniel, thank you all so much for joining us on Talking Technology. 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