The end of spring and the beginning of summer 2020 seem like a long time ago. It was when we -- a group of white, suburban people, at the suggestion of a black friend -- began to talk about racism: how we knew about it, how we experienced being in the racial majority growing up and what we thought should be done about it now. I interviewed two members of that biweekly Saturday morning group, during the summer of 2020, along with a 20-year old Brooklyn College student (my son) who provides a younger (fresher?) perspective on the same issues.