In this episode MIrco shares from his book 'DevOps for the Modern Enterprise' views and insights from his DevOps and Agile journeys with many customers around the globe, why a pipeline doesn't make DevOps and his experience from bringing DevOps to the mainframe and COTS applications. We also discuss many other topics for example why Lean is the next phase after DevOps, Complex Systems Engineering, SRE, how to setup teams, what parts of cars, bridges and houses can be built agile and more.