138: Leesha Williams - Why Representation Matters & How Authenticity Builds Better Businesses

Leesha Williams is a UK-based photographer and filmmaker, and the founder of multiple creative brands including Leesha Williams Photo + Film, Onyx Branding Co, and Kindred by Leesha. With over a decade of experience shooting weddings, brands, and families, her work is rooted in honest storytelling, real moments, and skin tones that actually look like real life.

Known for her documentary-led approach, Leesha specialises in multicultural and LGBTQ+ weddings, creating imagery that feels natural, unforced, and genuinely reflective of the people in front of her. Her work has taken her across the UK and internationally, and has been featured in publications including Hello Magazine.

Alongside weddings, Leesha runs Onyx, a brand photography and content studio focused on helping Black-owned and independent businesses build strong, consistent visual identities. Her approach combines creativity with strategy, helping clients create content banks that actually support their growth.

As a full-time photographer and single mum, Leesha also speaks openly about the realities of running a creative business, managing burnout, and building a life that aligns with both ambition and family.

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Leisha

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome to NinjaCast, a photography podcast how advised DI Ninja, the world's highest rated business management app, built specifically for photographers. Listen and learn as the most successful photographers on the planet share their knowledge to help you transform every element of your photography business. Here's your host, Sally Shaw.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

Hey Alicia, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm very good. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy mum and business life to come and talk to me.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

Yeah, definitely. No, I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Oh, awesome. So, for our listeners that might not know who you are, can you give us a little bit of an introduction to who you are in the industry and what you do?

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Yeah. So hi guys, I'm Leisha. I am the owner of three photography videography brands. Um, I have a wedding business, a branding business, and a family photography business. Um, obviously, I'm like a queer black photographer, so a lot of my work, no matter what it is, focuses on real skin tones, accurate representation, and just being a safe space really for clients and everyone involved.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

I love that. And I love that you've like come right in strong with this is me, this is who I am, and this is what we're gonna talk about today. So let's dive into kind of what brought you into photography, kind of what drew you into being a photographer and then opening up three businesses in that space.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Yeah, so I got into photography um pretty much as a teenager. I was one of those kids that had like a cooler older cousin and she did fashion. And um, she basically needed someone to take pictures of her like final piece. And again, being my cooler older cousin, I took some pictures for her and she was like, This is really good, you should do this for a job. And I was like, Okay, and just ran with it, and then um did yeah, my BA and my MA obviously are both in photography, even though I focus on like black history and black culture, they are predominantly in photography.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Nice and just snowballed from and that's that's been you ever since. Yeah, pretty much that has been it.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Um, yeah, I started shooting weddings at the time to pay for my MA because it was very expensive. Um and that was what, like 10 years ago, so I never really stopped. Goodness

Representation And Skin Tone Accuracy

SPEAKER_03 2:30

me.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

So I feel like we should just dive into the topics that we've kind of pre-discussed that we're gonna cover today. So, first of all, um, representation in photography and accurate skin tones. You've already kind of dabbled on it a little bit in your opening that that's you know, it's a really strong and important topic for you. So I don't think there's any better place to start, really. So, from your perspective, why is that something that really matters in the industry? And why do you think that some photographers aren't necessarily as aware of it as they should be?

SPEAKER_03 3:00

So I think obviously me being like a black queer creative anyway, it's really important to me because it's who I am as a person. Sure. But also, especially within like the wedding photography industry, there was never really any like showcasing of the fact that there were other couples getting married that weren't just you know hetero white cis couples, like everything just got pushed to the like side until obviously 2020 happened and we had like the BLM movement. Then all of a sudden, there was a massive thing for people being like, Oh, we should be more diverse, like that's really good. But my argument has been the entire time we have been here for just as long, and we've been just as amazing and incredible as we were before all of that happened. Um, and I think even though obviously people get whatever couples they get and people book whoever they want, it is important that everyone can showcase that, you know, like if they are an ally, that they are an ally.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Rather than just kind of being like, oh yeah, but I don't really book that kind of couple, so I just you know I'm cool with it. But like we're still people at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. And do you do you feel like you've seen positive changes in the industry when it comes to awareness and education? Or do you feel like I mean, I'm sure there's still a damn long way to go, but do you know in comparison to let's say when you first joined the industry, like to compare the space that there was then to the space there is now?

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Yeah, I definitely think that a lot has changed and things have got better, and there's definitely more resources for people, or people are more aware of resources. Um, I think the downside to that also is that whilst it's got better, we've also seen a lot of like tokenizing.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

So, like for me personally, I don't think I got more like, and I'm doing like air quests, like more awards or more recognition than I did in 2020 when all of a sudden it was really like important for people, like the whole black square thing, you know. And all of a sudden I got named as like one of the top black wedding photographers, and like 40 black wedding photographers that you need to know, and all this other stuff. And I was like, I was still a wedding photographer like three weeks before this happened, and like no one gave a shit. Yeah, but now all of a sudden it's like popular, so it's great in some ways that it's more recognized, but I also think sometimes it just is a little bit performative.

SPEAKER_02 5:38

Yeah, I can understand that um where that feeling comes from. Like you like you say, you know, you've been you were you were black before 2020, you were queer before 2020, and then because this big kind of saturation of airtime, I guess, has come about for it, but all of a sudden it's like you're you're pulled into the limelight for the same person that you've always been.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

Yeah, and all of a sudden, like people expect more of you, and you kind of get leaned on a lot for things. So, like people will come to you and ask you for advice, just you know, because you're a black creative, they go, Oh, what would you do? And I'm like, I can't speak for every single person. Everyone has a different lived experience, so I can only talk about my experience.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Yeah, of course. And how did you how did you kind of reconcile that experience in that you know 2020 happened and the like you say, the tokenizing of I'm sure lots of black people and in our industry and outside of our industry, I would well imagine. How do you kind of move past that and still progress forward?

SPEAKER_03 6:48

I think the thing for me is it's actually made me like more confident and more self-aware, and now I'm less apologetic about it. So obviously, I make a point of always saying that the thing that matters to me most is like skin tones being accurate in like my editing. And it's not to say that other people can't do it, it's just I know I can do it and I can do it well. And as an addition, I've got the lived experience of having photographers like take my picture before and then edit my skin tone inaccurately. So I always say to a couple of us, I'm like, let come to me if you don't want to look ashy in your wedding photos, because I don't know another black person that wants to look ashy in any circumstance, yeah. So yeah, I think it's given me the opportunity to kind of like take it and run with it rather than like it being something that like broke me down after a while, because obviously it was really difficult.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah, of course.

Tokenism After 2020 And Its Cost

SPEAKER_02 7:47

And so for photographers that might be listening to this and think, you know, actually, I don't know how to edit other skin tones of any variety. Like, where do they begin? What resources can you point them to? Where can they go to be better at that?

SPEAKER_03 8:03

I think a lot of it, personally for me, I always say that it comes with getting it right in camera. And obviously, I've yeah, I've been a photographer for like, I guess, professionally, full time for 10 years.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

So I'm sure all different like skin tones and all different circumstances. For me, I'd always say it comes right, getting it right in camera will always fix it.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

And in terms of photos, kind of just leaning back onto my question a little bit, in terms of photographers wanting to kind of go and do better, be better in this topic, is there any resources online that you particularly recommend for them to have more knowledge, lean into it more?

SPEAKER_03 8:44

I think there's definitely in terms of physically practically like practicing shooting, there's workshops. Um like the creative edit, do a good job of creating like inclusive, diverse workshops where you can actually go and photograph people of different ethnicities and actually practice your own edit and your own shooting on the day, which are brilliant. Um, in terms of literally making sure that you're making your clients feel as comfortable as possible, there's also people like Nova Reed, who obviously does like an inclusive, you know, entire course that you can take, which I think is brilliant. Yeah, but a lot of it is literally just trial and error, like when it comes to the photography side of it, of doing it, practicing, sitting with it, getting it right, and just practicing over and over and over again. Because I would say that when I first started shooting weddings, I lived in a tiny village in Wales. Like there was hardly any people that were black, let alone you know, people that were getting married, that I could connect with, yeah, especially as like a little baby photographer. So now to say that I predominantly get couples or I predominantly shoot like multicultural weddings or interracial weddings, and that is just the type of weddings that I do is amazing. Yeah. But also I know that it's because I've sat there and I've practiced and I've learned and you know, things like you can't really rely on presets the same way that you would if it was like other skin tones.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

Because everything's do you market yourself specifically to that kind of couple as well?

SPEAKER_03 10:19

Predominantly, yeah. And I'd say that it is, you know, anyone that looks at my work can sort of see a pattern that I mainly shoot, let's just say, interracial weddings. So I get couples who are two different ethnicities, they've got two different skin tones that get married. Because, and the one quote I get all the time is I don't want to look like Casper, and I also want you to like I want to be able to be seen, and my partner doesn't want to look like a ghost because people don't know, even if you can get you know, editing like black skin tones down, if you can't edit it when they're still next to a person who's white, then you've got a whole new problem.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

So I'd say exclusively almost the majority of my weddings are like interracial couples or like multicultural weddings.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Awesome.

Navigating Weddings As A Black Photographer

SPEAKER_02 11:06

So being a black photographer in our wedding industry, then kind of let's step away from the work and the edit and that side of things. What has your experience been like navigating the wedding industry?

SPEAKER_03 11:19

Um it's been interesting. Um for some part, I think for a little while I was very conscious about saying that I was a black photographer. Because a lot of people were like, is that important? Like, why does that matter? The same as saying that I was like a queer photographer or like a queer person. People were like, is that important? And then I sort of sat and realised I thought, well, yeah, because there'll be someone who feels more comfortable or more safe with me because you know, they relate or whatever. Um yeah, in the wedding industry, it's been it's been like a bit of a roller coaster. Largely, I think, yeah, the whole 2020 thing sort of kind of like weirdly put me in not in the limelight, but like it put a lot of us out there all of a sudden, but not necessarily for good reasons.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Yeah, almost like pulled the rug from under you kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 12:19

Yeah, we were we weren't we were never okay with like the lack of representation, but like we were trying our best with what we had. So for then for a lot of us just to be like all of a sudden, like, oh, you're here now. It was kind of like a little bit overwhelming.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Um like I was getting like it was so strange. Like I was getting phone calls and texts and emails from like blogs, being like, we really want to feel like feature your work, like it's amazing, we love it, we've loved it for years. I'm like, You've never you don't even follow me, you've never even looked at my work, or like you know, I'd be like, Okay, yeah, cool, you can have this particular wedding because it fits with your vibe and your aesthetic. They're like, No, we really want that one, and I'm like, okay, that one doesn't fit with you at all. They're like, Yeah, but like, you know, we just think it's really cool. And I'm like, you don't think it's cool, you just want it because it's a black couple, and all of a sudden you want to share a black couple online because you think it makes you look good. And I'm like, you're not having it, I don't care. But you know, it's weird, it's like we've got a in some ways, I'm grateful for the, you know, like not the engagement, but like the awareness all of a sudden, but also it's kind of annoying.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah, there's two sides to the coin for sure. I can see that. Um, you know, the the awareness, any any step towards positive awareness is always going to be a positive step, and like you can't you don't want to take that away. Um but at the same time, I can very much I can I can kind of imagine the frustration and the anger almost of oh right, you know I exist now then.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

Like I'm like, oh yeah, you're here. Like, yeah, I I was always here, but fine, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Yeah, no, I can see that for sure. And if you you've had the kind of the support in the industry of through that time with kind of friends in the industry, other photographers that have kind of been there to be able to say, like, we've got you.

SPEAKER_03 14:14

Yeah, and I think it's been very nice. Um, having like certain groups, even like Facebook groups and things like connected with people, and I could be like, mate, this fucking sucks. And someone else can go, Yeah, it does suck.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

Like the one good thing I think about being in any kind of like minority or whatever is that we're very community, you know, we all look out for each other.

unknown 14:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

And we all recommend each other. And it's, you know, you'll see people ask in groups for like a black photographer, and people will shout us out for like jobs, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Which I do really appreciate. I'm very grateful for like the little group of people that I have now.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

Yeah, that's amazing. So if if if there's a a silver line into what was 2020 for you, then that group that's around you now hopefully is one that will always kind of protect that space for you.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

Yeah, and like everyone's kind of got your back, which is nice, I think.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yeah, for sure. Do you feel that the industry still has a long way to go? And if if that is the case in terms of being inclusive and representing black people correctly, is there anything that you would like to see change?

SPEAKER_03 15:25

Yeah, I think there definitely is still there is a way to go. Um I think just more awareness. Like, I just want to not feel like I'm having to like perform all the time. Like, and I mean someone can totally correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know many other queer sort of like alternative black owned photography brands, and obviously I do like hybrid shoes, so I do photo and video, so I've almost like niche down so much to a point where when I do get inquiries, I'm pretty much dead set because it's if that's what they want, then cool on. I might be one of the very few people that can do it. But I do think that yeah, there is a long way to go. Um, we've seen it like kind of go in and out with trends, like it's kind of died down a little bit again with like wedding blogs and things where we're not seeing them be as inclusive as they were first were. So it's like one of those things that you're kind of always mindful of, like you've got to be aware of it.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Yeah, for sure.

ADHD As CEO And Creative

SPEAKER_02 16:31

Now we're gonna move on to managing ADHD, burnout, creative energy, all the things. You've been very open about managing ADHD whilst running your businesses. How's that shaped the way that you work creatively, professionally, and kind of how you put that CEO hat on?

SPEAKER_03 16:51

Yeah, so ADHD, I I actually I don't think this is very common, but I got diagnosed when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Ah.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Which I think for a female isn't very common. No, no, they normally diagnose quite late for women, don't they? Yeah, like I got diagnosed in like even possibly the the very late 90s, very early 2000s. Um, but back then it was called like hyperactive disorder or whatever. But basically, I was like the little duracy bunny just running around constantly, and I've never stopped. Um but yeah, I had to stop like running my business, like how I thought a business should run and how everyone else did. So obviously I use Studio Ninja. I don't know what I would do without it, um, quite honestly. But using that to create like templates and batch create, you know, or automate things that I genuinely don't have the brain power to remember to do sometimes, especially on three separate businesses.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

Um, it just makes life a lot, a lot easier, really.

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Yeah, absolutely. So you found that implementing systems has really helped kind of take some of that pressure and that workload away. I think, I mean, ADHD or no ADHD, I think that's gonna help any business owner, right? Like nobody needs to remember to do everything left, right, and center manually. Um has it changed the way or shaped the way that you are creatively, the way you shoot, the way you think about what you do in camera?

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Yeah, it's definitely. I sometimes say it's like a superpower, like a really crazy superpower.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

Um, and that's just because uh, and I think a lot of people who are neurodivergent will probably get me on this that like for a long time I spent feeling like it was something that was holding me back or that there's something wrong with me because of it. And now I'm like, no, actually, my brain can like work out all of these different things whilst also doing all at once. And granted, sometimes being in my head is like static, but my brain can do all of these amazing things. I still do this thing over here, but again, yeah, on the flip side, you do get burnout, and I will say that I'm a single parent, so to try and run three businesses, manage ADHD, and be a single parent is chaos. But I actually kind of like it. I enjoy the the constant like non-stop.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yeah, yeah. I feel like there's been a similar, you know how we were talking before about there was almost like this airtime for black people. I feel like there's been a similar airtime of late for ADHD and medicating ADHD and that kind of thing. I feel like every time I go on social media, I see somebody talking about their medication journey or that they've they're starting, or that they're you know, they're a year in, and like this ADHD medication phase has just kind of come to the forefront. It may well have been there a very long time for people that did have ADHD, but those who didn't just didn't know about it. How do how are you kind of like navigating that?

SPEAKER_03 20:03

It's weird, like in some ways, I'm really glad that people are getting diagnosed, even if it is later in life, because I know that you know I'd been medicated since it was like Ritalin that they were giving you. Um I've seen the difference that it can make. Obviously, it doesn't work for everyone. Um, so I'm really grateful that people are getting like help that they need and getting diagnosed, even though the crazy long waiting lists I've heard of, you know. Um but yeah, it it almost became like trendy to have like ADHD, or like people would joke about it, you know. And the same way that they joke about like having OCD, and people go, Oh, I've got OCD because I like green pens, and I'm like, not the same, and like I say as someone who's who got diagnosed with OCD, it's not the same thing as like I only want green pens, it's like life-altering on like a daily basis, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

Have there been any changes that you've made to your business over the years, specifically, be it to kind of prevent the burnout, stimulate that creative energy more in the right places, or just generally kind of managing the ADHD side of being a business owner?

Burnout Boundaries And Work Systems

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Is there anything you find that really supports you kind of either day to day or in the height of wedding season? Yeah, I've stopped.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Firstly, I've stopped trying to do everything all myself all of the time. And I don't work, you know, I have set days that I work, so I think on Mondays my out of office will always be on no matter what, because that is the day that me and my daughter go and make pancakes and eat ice cream in the park in 2 pm, because I've built this career where we can do that. And then physically, one random, like weird little life hack that's helped me is getting like a walking treadmill y thing and a standing desk. I've Heard lots of good things about that actually. They're great. Like as someone who really like enjoys exercise as well, I think it's perfect. Um, that helps me because I can get so much work done whilst I'm also like running and listening to music.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Um, and then I feel like my coordination won't let me do those two things at once.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Like if you're really walking, I feel like I'd be like typing all over the yeah, there's only certain tasks I can do whilst I'm doing like I couldn't edit a video because I'd probably vomit from getting like emotional sickness, but I can like reply to emails. Um, you know, I batch create a lot of my content, so a lot of my social media posts and stuff are like pre-scheduled. Um but yeah, I think trying to make life easier where I can, but also giving myself some grace, like, because I don't actually ever feel like I'm that active on social media, and I regularly get people coming to go, oh my god, I see your stuff all the time. This is blah blah blah. And I'm like, Wild, because I'm sort of sometimes beating myself up that I've not posted in like three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah. It's funny, isn't it? Like that, yeah, I don't even know what you would call it, but yeah, I I think again, any business owner, like take photography out of it. I think any business owner is constantly having that push and pull of, oh, I've not done enough, I've not posted this, I've not done that. We have a a list never-ending, right? That you know we could we could tackle. Um, but on the flip side, you know, your your peers, your colleagues, your customers, they don't see all of that. They just see, you know, oh, I saw your post pop up, and then I saw a blog, and then, you know, I saw a talking reel. And it's it's mad how we have that expectation on ourselves all the time.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Yeah. And I think it's isn't not like imposter syndrome, but like I guess it's I don't follow really any photographers that I don't know personally, and I think that's helped a lot. Like anyone who's in the same industry as me, I don't need to, I'm not saying I don't need to follow them, but I don't need to look at their stuff all the time and feel guilty that I'm not doing the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 24:01

That's helped a lot with everything.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Yeah, absolutely. Culling down what you see on social media, I think it's a is a game changer. Um everyone needs to do a call like at least once every six months, I think. So

Authentic Marketing And Client Fit

SPEAKER_02 24:16

building a business that reflects who you are is kind of one of the final topics I'm gonna touch on with you, Leisha, if that's okay. So, do you think that clients are kind of increasingly drawn to authenticity and connection instead of that polished marketing, that ultra-professional business, you know, rather than on the flip side of that, kind of the the person behind the business?

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Yeah, like I say to people all the time, like loads of people say, Oh, I'm really conscious about showing up, like showing my face online. I'm like, why? You know, and I say it to couples every time, like on a Zoom call or whatever. I'm like, if you don't like me, don't book me. I'm like, because if we don't get on, I don't want to spend all day with you. No offense. And you probably don't want to spend all day with me, and that's fine. But I want to know that if I show up to a wedding, one that as a like as a queer black person, I'm gonna feel safe. And two that you know, they're gonna feel safe and comfortable, and they're not surprised when I turn up and I'm all tattooed and I'm wearing my Doc Martins and I'm I don't know, dancing around to whatever. Like they're not gonna be like, oh, she's completely different than how she shows herself online. I'm like, no, I'm exactly the same. And people will know it down to the fact that I, you know, like chai lattes and I don't know, I'm vegan and I'm sober and stuff. So people will literally know it as much about me to the point where if they were gonna get me some sort of gift basket, they're like, We got your jelly beans because we know you love them.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

And I just show out, I love jelly. They know me really well, and then I don't feel awkward or uncomfortable because I've been authentically myself the whole way through and they're not surprised.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Yeah, no, I get that completely. At what point did you realize that that was really important in business? Is that is that a value that you've always had from the get-go, or is it something you kind of learn over time?

SPEAKER_03 26:01

I think I've kind of learned it over time, and I think maybe it might be one of the good things that's come out of like 2020 that I'm more authentically myself and I'm less apologetic for it. So now I'm like, I will literally like I think the last social media story I posted was that my daughter didn't want to share the pancakes that we made. And I'm like, I said, Oh, can I have some pancakes? She goes, No, not really. And I'm like, Cool, sweet, stunning, thanks. And like, you know, does it have anything to do with photography? No, but it's funny and it's part of my life, and I am also a human as well as a business.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%.

Lessons Learned And Where To Connect

SPEAKER_02 26:41

I I just want to kind of take a pause just before we finish and just say I really appreciate your willingness and openness to have these conversations and to, you know, talk about the stuff that isn't necessarily openly talked about all of the time. Um, and I know that our listeners will be really grateful for you kind of offering to put yourself out there and talk about these things as well. So thank you so much. Um I'm gonna roll into our final couple of questions now. So if you could start your whole business again, is there anything that you'd change and do differently knowing what you know now?

SPEAKER_03 27:13

I think I would start it with the same level of confidence and yeah, I guess an apologeticness that I have now, 10 years later, and also with the same systems put put in place so that I'm not burning myself out from the start.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Yeah, I love that. And if you have a final piece of advice for our listeners, the golden nugget takeaway, if you like, the one thing that they must listen to, if nothing else. What's that one thing?

SPEAKER_03 27:41

I think running a business is hard. So give yourself some credit. And also just try and show up as yourself. In life or in business or whatever, everything's a lot easier when you're genuinely, authentically yourself. You don't have to pretend and you know, good or come from it, I think.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Yeah, I love that. That's perfect. If our listeners want to get in touch with you, follow you, connect with you after this, how can they do that?

SPEAKER_03 28:08

So usually the easiest ways to reach me are social media. So I'm on Leisha Williams Photo and Film, and Onyx by Leisha and Kindred by Leisha as well. Um, those are all of my businesses.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Amazing. Awesome. Thanks. Thank you so much, Leisha. It's been really, really good talking to you. I've loved every second. So thank you for calming out the time for us. Yeah, definitely. I've enjoyed it. All right, my lovely. I'll catch you soon. See you later. See you later. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

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