Paul and Jesse share some hunting and fishing stories,talk about the fires and snow in September. Plus they tease about an upcoming guest.
Paul and Jesse share some hunting and fishing stories,talk about the fires and snow in September. Plus they tease about an upcoming guest.
Retired law enforcement, officer security, expert and award winning storyteller. Paul Merrick, along with his cohost, Jesse Clay, former Navy seal, and four time heavyweight committee, world champion together. We'll discuss the broad array of current events using their unique backgrounds to further dissect each story. The only question you have to ask yourself is, are you ready to roll? I don't know, but I've been told that these two guys are really old. I hear their views are very bold, but they believe the truth will hold. So sit right back and enjoy the show because these two guys are ready to roll sound off wound to sound off three, four sound off long two, three, four. Let's roll.zoom_0:
Hey, Jesse, how you doing? You ready to roll? Let's roll. Paul. How's it going, buddy? It's snowing. Yeah. From 90 to 20 degrees. You're 27 right now. Out here. Yep. It was about six inches of snow on the ground. First time I ever heard that saying, uh, if you don't like the weather, wait, five minutes was in that movie city slickers back in like 91. Yeah, just wait five minutes. Well, today proved it. I mean, God, like 70 degree change or something. It's crazy. Crazy, but you gotta love it. Yeah, you do. I'm hoping it helps the fires. I'm hoping it helps the fires a lot. Yeah. It keeps the firefighters. Cool, man. I mean, for what? Six or seven States, they're getting their butts kicked by triple digit temperatures and it's just horrible. We, we drove back from Iowa yesterday. Um, seeing, uh, staff's grandparents, um, who good for them? Uh, or like her grandpa's like 91 now, but anyway, coming back into Colorado, just as we're. As we're entering Cheyenne alpha 80. There, you can start looking around and I'm not kidding. It looks like those pictures. You would see them, Mars, everything, just this orange guy, nothing. There's no sun. There's, there's the brightness, you know, kind of spread out everywhere, but it's a whole different planet. It was so eerie. Yeah. The last time I was on Mars, everything was pretty orange. So, you know, so you actually had assignments there too, huh? Sure. They were out of space when you got done with them. They were, I bet. Yeah, no comment. No, but it was like, we came back in and, uh, Paul, our son was, uh, texted us going. You guys, aren't gonna bleed when you get back sending pictures of all the Ash, like on our patio furniture and everything else. And you know that it's within 10 miles of the city and it's just very, very eerie. And you're right. You gotta fill for those firefighters up there. I mean, I know we're losing a lot of things, but those guys are. There are no between a rock and a hard place, man, all that heat and that smoke. And they just keep going through some tough guys and say, this is one thing I don't understand. Is have they ever done a cancer study? I know they're just started doing one and I, and I gotta use this terminology cause I have some law enforcement buddies that affectionately call firefighters, hose draggers. So, uh, I know quite a few holes, draggers and, uh, Come on site though, right? I mean, I guess if he can drag a hose, you know, that's well, it goes, that's how it goes. That's how it goes. Totally unintentional of course. But, uh, yeah, some of the firefighters I know, you know, or some of them are retired, teen guys, some of them are great, some of them while aren't so great, but that's a whole nother story. I'll tell you where they do it. I mean, I know like there's some money involved, but that's not enough to justify what they're doing. Is there a certain kind of thing? I don't know. You got every other day off, he got guys cooking for you. You got a good box. But then again, a lot of them didn't know about how the secondary smoke cause cancer and washing your uniforms off their fire gear. Right. And how much of the sit and stuff carried? So, I mean, every day we're learning something new and man, all these guys that were in nine 11 and did this stuff out there there, you know? Yeah. Hey, like I said, I got a bunch of buddies who do that too. And a man that's running into a burning building. Yeah. He'd have to be pretty cute for me to do that. Yeah, well, yes. Yeah. Pretty well. Not only I better stop you better. Um, No. And I, I mean, I mean, kudos to them to doing that for us again, they're, you know, they're, they're literally, they're putting their life on a fire line for everybody else and to protect, you know, property, but also lives after a while. I mean, they've got that deal going on. And is it a, it's a California. They're still trying to pull campers out that got surrounded. Yeah, this is what I don't get, you know, the forest on fire. Yeah. Yeah, you get on your, in your trailer with your boat and you go knowing the is 20 miles away and fires can jump Ridge lines. I mean, at some point, when does common sense kick in rhetorical? I don't know what, when is that? But I'm special. It's not going to captain me. It's not going to happen to me. I'm special. Yeah. I guess when you get, I guess that's one way to get a ride on it. On a national guard chopper, Hey, the fire surround us. We're going to burn today. Can I get a chopper ride? Interesting. You should bring that up. And who paid for that chopper? Oh, well, yeah, but you know what? All those hunters and fishermen who buy those licenses. Yeah. Oh people 800 fishermen. How could you kill poor Bambi? You're welcome that we saved your life with that. Just say you don't have to thank me now. Yeah. Thank you later when you help clean my elk or whatever. Yeah. Right. Cleaning up, taking him to clean their car. Oh, we were talking about let's. I mean, it, it is the season for hunting this year. Oh yeah. And I want to how this fire is going to affect it. And then, you know, mother nature, you know, just coming in to hopefully save the day, but it's going to be different. Well, you know, part of this comes from, you know, beetle kill all this other stuff. And some of it's just common sense, man. We need to be cleaning up. Whatever happened to all the people that in the summer programs where guys went in and cut fire lines and did all this. I remember down in Colorado Springs, we, they, a company that I worked with, you know, back when I got out of the military, um, Where they were going to do fire reclamation. So it's like, you know, we, we can dig a fire line and we can do this and we can clean up some of the vegetation. And some of the people were upset because it was going to cost so much. Well, I still remember the old master Sergeant retired air force guy standing there going well, here's the deal. You can pay me now. Or you can pay me later. Yep. And then they had that fire sadly enough. There was, there was a loss of life would you never want? No, but some of the people will never be, never be able to rebuild. So, you know, it's an investment, it's an investment of the future, you know, and your safety and your kids' safety. Oh, there's people out there that don't want necessarily people to be in the forest. So, you know, there's some that believe that every once in a while, the whole thing, she just burned down on the ground, which I don't agree with. It's not like we're living. You know, a thousand years ago we manage our forest. Now it's not, you know, if we're going to manage them, let's manage them correctly. I mean, that'd be double, you know, and sometimes it can pay for, for itself to do that. That beetle kill wood can get really expensive. So there are, yeah, don't think it would go in there and clean it up for free just to get that wood. Yeah, there was an interesting statement on that for all the, some of the beetle kill. Do you know that we've lost three quarters of our wood for D uh, production mills here in Colorado? Three quarters of them are gone. It's just not cost effective for them anymore to drag the wood out and make stuff out of it. And so they're sending it overseas. Oh, my gosh. So I mean, you know, with a better mouse trap so we can keep it here. Yeah. Keep it, keep it all here and take care of it. I mean, I remember as a kid and upstate New York and Canada, and even when I lived in Japan and all the fishing we did, obviously we didn't do hunting in Japan. I couldn't, I couldn't have afforded it. I did go on several hunting trips. With friends of mine who worked at Sony, who are quite, quite wealthy, but well, you know, you register your gun and then you, you have bullets in each. One of the bullets has a marking on it. And then when you get done shooting, you bring the shell back the case thing and you turn it in. So they know that no one has as a firearm. Or a capability of firing a bullet. Now, of course, bad people do bad things and they're going to have pistols, but very few of them have rifles. Rifles is in your gang, uh, uh, gun of choice. Yeah. It's hard to get in your waistband. Yeah. So especially if you're sagging, how much that's curious. So you said they're pretty expensive to go hunting out there. And I know that's probably been a couple of years, but yeah. How expensive is expensive? You're talking back then. It was 10, $15,000. And what were they for on the license? Like a deer, a stag. Yeah, it was a game. It was a game preserve. Well, but you know, it's a, there's not much, Lance. They're not very big and you'd go to different islands and you'd do stuff. But their thing is, I remember bringing people back over here just to shoot a 22 back in our, in our property, back in upstate New York and from Japan, I'm like, I think it's crazy. Wow. They get the shoot guns. You got the right, you know, three wheelers at the time. Right. And, uh, we just had a ball snowmobiles. Hmm. You know, thinking of the kid. I mean, I talk to kids today. I went on my first hunting trip, real hunting trip when I was 11, 12 years old killed my first year when I was 12. So, you know, and my uncle still, what was that? No, man, we were a, you know, upstate Apple orchards everywhere. Right. So w we literally had. Corn soy and alfalfa on one side of our house. And on the other side, in the back corner, um, going up the Hill was Apple trees. So the deer would come down and that mean they were huge. It's not like, I'm not saying the deer out here are small because the elk are monster. Right. But not, not like East coast, not like up in farm country, not even close. Great. Yeah. They taste fantastic. So, uh, my uncle basically said, uh, I'm not going to mention when it's uncle, because I've got five surviving uncles and only one of them was a Butthead. But anyway, so, um, we went out hunting. He said, well, my dad asks if one of my uncle, Billy, you said his name. Cause he was probably my, one of my best friends. Well, best uncle and friend. So we went up hunting, you know, we were having a good time. We're down to four, but go ahead. Yeah. Now we're done on the forum near the four, and I had an uncle chicken too, but that's the one other story. Uh, he was air force, uh, fire, but anyway, as you know, my whole family on my dad's side is all military. Right. So anyway, so my uncle Billy goes, Hey, why don't you sit in a tree and just hang out here. And I had a 22. And I maybe shouldn't have the caliber, but anyway, it is, Hey, it's so long ago, doesn't even matter if you want to come after me for that. Come on. You can't prove it. Anyway, I ate the evidence. I might be making this up. Yeah, I do. I look like a politician. I hope not. Anyway. Um, so I'm sitting in the tree and, um, just sit up there and fell asleep, you know, but that was my normal thing. Hang out, take a Slingshot, shoot squirrels or rabbits or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's how we grew up. Right. And when I wasn't in Japan, I grew up in New York. So we're having a ball, you know, I fell asleep in the tree for a little bit and it woke up, heard something looked over and it was a deer. So I pull one of the apples off the tree. Know, I was rotten and I threw it and hit the deer and watch it run and laugh and remember, Oh yeah, I get it. Gun. We're supposed to be hunting. Okay. This was pretty silty. So yeah. Rick, wait, priests guilty. Wait, I could have done something. I could have done something. So I'm sitting there and. A couple other deals walked by and I'm just kind of throwing stuff at their feet and watching them jump around. And then I hear something behind me and I turned, I can't see it. So I kind of lean back in the tree and it's a buck and it comes forward. And I remember my uncle said, Hey, if you know, you can't shoot a DOE, but you can shoot a buck. So, okay. And of course they thought I'd never see anything. So I aligned to, you know, aligned up the shot and then took it. And the deer fell while my uncle's heard the shot and freaked out. They didn't offer it fallen out of the tree or. If something happened, they dropped a gun or shot myself or knock on wood. No, but they had all this horrifying things. They weren't afraid of my dad. It was my mom. They were afraid of. Yeah. Yeah. That would be so, uh, you know, and I shot the deer and it, it just went straight down and, and, uh, just kind of looked at it for a while. Waited and waited and waited following my uncle's killing up the Hill and he's young. Are you okay? Are you okay? My uncle Billy is a good uncle. So I mean, they're all good uncles except for one. But anyway, uh, he goes, are you okay down to three? So he goes, are you okay? I said, yeah. And he goes, well, what were you shooting at? I said, the deer. And he goes, where's the deer. And I point, and he sees it and his eyes get big and his mouth opens up and he goes, what'd you do on? I said, I shot it. As they're supposed to do. Right. And, uh, he goes, well, yeah. So he walks out, everything was dead, you know? So he, Tyler had got a dairy to a rope over a branch where he lifted it up, started gutting it about half an hour. Yeah. About half an hour, 45 minutes later. My uncle who I can't stand, shut up. And my other uncles, my other cousins who are all older than me. And they're going, Holy cow. And then my other uncle chicken said to my uncle, I don't like, I shouldn't say that that's not right. My uncle, I don't care for how about that. It was a matter of various things he did anyway. I like them. I like them. That'd be the politician. So he's a. He's looking, how am I? My uncle chicken goes, he starts laughing and he goes, no, your uncle who you don't like, he's been chasing that deer for the last two years. And I said, well, how do you know it's the same deer? And it was, he had, he had the sheds. For the last two years for that deer. And I got the deal. Yeah, I got chicken. He got feathers. Yeah. I mean my whole, I mean, going to school in the morning, I, you talk about stuff now. I had a, a 22 and a shotgun in the back window of my truck and fishing poles. I never locked my truck. I pick up, never locked it. I always had ammunition in the glove compartment or under the seat or 22 bullets. That's strewn throughout the cab of the car or the cab of the truck. And that's how I grew up. Right. I mean, I mean, hence getting the nickname black Wayne, cause I watch John Wayne movie, a little fella. You're lucky and mighty tasty there, you know? I don't want to give you that now I'm having fun. Just talking about fun things tonight. And I think I need to do a little bit more of that, but I just want to make this one comment interesting. That happened all over the country. Back when we were growing up, people had the rifles and everything else in the back of there. We didn't have the counterpart over now. So obviously it wasn't that, and it really, you know, I mean, leave it there. No, not even, I mean, I can, I can think of, of a gazillion times, you know, what, when did things change when, if you're going to have an argument with somebody, okay, you had a fist fight, you punch each other in the nose and then you went and had a beer, right, right. Or you had a, a barley pop or whatever, whatever you had. Yeah. And then you were friends, right? It was nothing big. Nobody carried a grudge. No, you got your butt kick or Dodge ball. Oh Lord. He thought that somebody is going to get hurt. You know, we're gonna lose an eye. Now that's a BB gun. That's a BB gun. That's a BB gun. So, you know, I look, I looked back at my childhood, man. I w we hunted we ice fish. We rode snowmobiles. Right now, things weren't things. Weren't perfect. We, we played sports, but you know, again, I gotta reach back and say, I'm so happy that my mom and dad were, uh, were supportive, were together. You know, people talk about the Huxtables my dad's principal guidance counselor at my high school and my mother's a nurse in ICU. And then how does theologist, how the hell can you go wrong? Well, and if you get hurt, at least you can fix it. So it doesn't hurt if he got hurt, it was usually cause you were doing something wrong. Yeah. She might've been the one that hurt you. It wasn't my dad. Cause he would just laugh. It would just laugh. Well, that's that's true. I remember for us, we'd have to drive a little bit farther to be able to go shooting or whatnot. Um, and. I remember one time we were driving and all the talk about feeling old, go back there now and drive to the places we used to go hunting. And there's nothing but houses and Kmarts and, you know, Walmarts and all that stuff. But we'd be driving somewhere one time and we saw some Cody's off the highway and there were, there were a few hundred yards off and, um, yeah, my brothers are in the back and I go, I go, I could hit that, you know? By the rig goes, Hey, you're full blown knees. Couldn't hit that. And my dad goes, were you guys talking about back there? And you know, there's a coyote over there, dad, you know, and Paul said he could hit it. He said, yeah. Yeah, bullshit. So, okay. He pulls off the highway right there. I had this, my brother inherited a 22 Hornet from our grandfather. Right. Flat sheet and reach out and touch him. Oh yeah. And he goes, go ahead. You know, smart Alec, go ahead. Go ahead. So I'm out there and I line it up and I laid laying down on the top of the car. Can only imagine like nowadays how many rules we would be breaking. Right. We hit our honey and everything, but we're kind of close to the highway. So anyway, thank you. Say too late now, but, and we had licensed to hunt that, um, I fired and. Got them right away. Right. We're about ready to go out to get them unloading the weapon, going to put it back in the trunk of the car. And here comes the highway patrol. Thanks. Goodness. Somebody else in our car was involved in law enforcement that day. Cause that could, could've been really, really bad, real bad. It wasn't that good to begin with, but it can be really bad. Yeah. One time. I just thought of this one time we went hunting we're up in a place called Frasier park, near Gorman. And this is, uh, like near for anybody who knows California. I'll probably near new hall and I'm sure it's all built up and I haven't been there for years, but what would happen is my dad get off duty and they said, okay, let's go. And then when we get to the dirt roads, He'd have like, like my brother was like nine he'd have him drive so he could take a nap until we got to the place we needed to be at. He got pulled over one time, his head above the steering wheel, my dad on the other side, sleeping, he got pulled over and he goes, the guy goes, so you have a license. My brother goes, uh, No, he goes, how old are you? Goes nine, nine. And then my dad woke up and go, cause what do you want? Cause we're on a dirt road is yeah. Uh, you know, the same rules apply. Right? He goes, get over in this seat. Okay. Fine. That's good. Moves the kid over and gets back and starts driving again. It wasn't a perfect world, but it was a little bit easier back in those days to maybe screw around a little bit. So I just thought that was funny. You barely get to the steering wheel. Geez. Yeah. Well, before I was, I was more afraid of my father and I wasn't many police officer. Oh, Oh. By far. Yeah. And you know, when we, when we be speeding or doing something where it's supposed to and got pulled over or turning with, not coming to a complete stop and doing it turn right, we get the lights would go on and he would, Oh, can I see your driver's license? And they go, Oh, He recognized me from football or, or one of the other sports. And he goes, Oh, and being one of the only 26 black kids. Good and easy. And maybe I know you all more importantly. I know your father. He does lots. Okay. You guys just go on home. I'll I'll call your dad. Yeah. And we'd beg them, Hey, just give me a ticket. I'll take it to jail. Just don't call my dad. No. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Never, never do that because the embarrassment alone. Yeah. You know, it was the beginning of the punishment, but I agree. And, and, and I think you just identified a good point, which probably down the road here, we'll talk about a little bit more and that is that's because you knew the police officer and the police officer knew you. Yeah, I think that's a big something we're lacking right now days, but getting into that right now. But yeah, I think that's it. If we could solve even that to a greater degree than where we are now, I think we'd solve a lot of our problem. You know, it's so easy for people to blame everybody else. Um, and not hold themselves accountable for the stuff that they've done. Right. It's just, it's it just seems like we're going backwards sometimes. I agree, but you know, I mean, have you, have you and Paul jr. Ever got back? Yes. Either duck or yes. To burn down a rabbit hunting. We, okay. So Paul's five years old. And he would sit and he'd seen me get, you know, shotgun ready to go out or whatever. And finally he said, I, I, you know, he just wanted to go, it just want to go with his dad and go out and get into the woods and get his boots on and, you know, take we at the time we had a 13 inch beagle. It was a great dog. Um, is I want to go, dad, I want to go. I said, you sure want to go on talking to the wife? She'll take him just, you know, kind of play it by ear. How far you go? And I said, okay, so. Get Paula's best and his boots on. And actually the best I got them was one of my hunting vests. I looked like a, uh, you know, a dress. Yeah. It looked like, like Elmer Fudd had like shrunk in the wrong clothes or something. It was really, and so we're out East of town and we're walk in the fields and the dogs running and he just, this is awesome just as awesome, you know, and he's watching the dog run, looking for rabbits and bagels. I mean, that's what the bread for. Right. He was really good at doing that. And then all of a sudden. A dog's name was lucky. He got sent on a rabbit and pretty soon the racism impulses. Oh my gosh, this is awesome. You know, coming around and like, for those of you who don't know, usually with a drag rabbit, they pretty much run in a circle, but come a wide circle, come back right around to you. And that's why the dog's chasing them. That's kind of when you want to take the advantage, but yeah. Halfway out in the circle out of nowhere. Paul turns to me, he looks at the shotgun in my hand, he looks back at the dog. It looks up at me, wait, dad. We're not actually going to shoot the rabbit. Are we just about. I go, Oh no, no, this is, it was just for sure. But just like that big old chase, that rabbit till it can't run anymore on the biggest lane, down that side. Cause it's all worn out. Cause he's never going to catch the rabbit. Yeah. Just get them in a position. But not anyway. I just thought that was hilarious. So funny. We're not actually going to shoot that rabbit or we did, Hey buddy, we need it. We need to kind of give people a heads up on what's going on next week. So, so the plan is next week, if everything works out, um, schedule wise, we're going to have a really special guest, Oh, gosh. Just the professor. Yeah. We'll leave the professor. You know what, now that I think about, I want to, I don't want to say her name she's, uh, been, and other podcasts will tell you a bit more about that next week. Uh, she is a police psychologist and, uh, she's a wealth of information. She's I guess I would describe her as someone who is not only highly educated. But also highly experienced really gets it understands, uh, what police officers. And probably to a certain extent, I'm going to say military too, because a lot of cops are former military. What they go through, what's going in their mind, what to look for in a good cop, what to look for as far as, um, possible issues. Um, how to, and how to, you know, how to deal with that. She's just a wealth of information where we're really looking forward to having her all. Once we've got that. Date confirmed. We can say which show it's going to be. We'll release more information about her and, and I think everybody's going to enjoy it. A great deal. The goal of the show, unlike so much, that's going on in the world right now will be to talk about things that will make things better for all of us. Hopefully if we can employ those ideas. And also maybe just by all of us, understanding each other's. Role in life and you know how things work, maybe make things a little bit better too. Yeah. That's that's the ultimate goal is to make things better. Right? Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Hey, uh, it's where I went last week, Iowa. Well, that was the other day, week before I went to the miracle mile. Did you fish, you can call it that. Yeah. So you splashed in the water. I'm not the greatest, I'm not the greatest fly fishermen are there, there are others that we have been with that are, but I will tell you this. It's amazing to be basically in the high desert, in the middle of no, I mean, literally in the middle of nowhere. Um, and then when you add water to the equation, The wildlife that you, that gets produced is just, it's amazing. I mean, the Eagles and I mean, all the fish that were there and just, just the deer and everything, it's just wild and you forget, you know, we're always like we're all getting on the news and reading about things like that. Oh, the world's coming to an end, this and that. Sometimes you really just need to step back and, and get out and realize what an amazing place. Oh, we all live in, you know, this, this world is something else. I mean, up there, no, no city lights, just the stars. Um, unbelievable. Just, and then you realize that all our little problems and everything are really, they're all things that we can fix because they really isn't in the scheme of things where we're this little minuscule bit of information, you know that with everything else that exists. Yeah. So cool. Pretty, that was pretty fun. One thing about Wyoming, man, it just gets windy though. No matter what. Well, you know, I bought like my buddies in Cheyenne say that doesn't blow and in Wyoming it just sucks in Colorado now. And I'll fairness. Uh, the guys who I know who live up in Wyoming are all from Colorado, so yeah. They moved because land was cheaper. Yeah. So they've got a, and they've got some pretty good deals going on up there. So when I was running a bison farm, so yeah. So it's pretty interesting, you know, uh, we're gonna need to go down South near you and do a little bird hunting there, share with, uh, with the dog. Well, yeah, that sounds good to me. There's a couple of places we could go. Um, you know, it's um, and we'll talk about that off there. Cause I'd like to do a show at one of the spots and talk to them about gun safety and, and, uh, you know, what, what to be using and different, some different things. Yeah. We should do that. We should do that. We'll make a show. We'll just bring the equipment down there and do it there. That'd be fun. Yeah. Cool. Okay, so you ready to take a break? You know what? I think I'm going to go on my back porch and, uh, and have another glass of, uh, a good, um, uh, cab. And it was a peanut war or cab. I think right now with Christmas in the air, I think I'm going to have a cab. I would just sit there and watch it. Snow. You just said Christmas, crisp, crisp Chris newness there in the air and the air, not Chris volume. Pump up the volume on the salt and pepper. No, no, I think I'm just going to watch it snow because it's. Good, a good glass of Vino and a little snow kinda missing something else. But we'll talk about that later. You know what? You bring up a good point though. That's what we all should be doing, but more about just enjoying all that we have. And you know, like you say, if you've got to fight about something, go ahead and fight about it, but then make up, you know, get, get it out of the way. And don't let things linger. I mean, just. Eventually y'all figure out. We all came from the same place. Originally. We're all so much alike. That's probably why we fight sometimes, but you know, it's, it's just, just be happy. Yeah. So anyway, I think I'll do the same. Uh, and I, I'm not going to even suggest I know what that other thing is you were talking about, but I'm going to ask that other thing, if she wants to do that with me. Oh, Oh, well, see it. At least you have somebody to ask. There you go. One of these days, they keep telling me one of these days. They anyway. All right. Until next week, until next week. All right, everybody take care. Alright, let's roll out of here. Let's roll.
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