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Appreciate your time."},{"speaker":"Neil Thompson","startTime":2488.709,"endTime":2489.549,"body":"Thanks for having"},{"speaker":"Neil Thompson","startTime":2488.709,"endTime":2489.549,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2493.5099999999998,"endTime":2496.96,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncure,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2493.5099999999998,"endTime":2496.96,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2496.96,"endTime":2499.99,"body":"engineering. If you like what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2496.96,"endTime":2499.99,"body":"you're heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2499.99,"endTime":2503.5299999999997,"body":"the episode. 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