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And the kindergarten,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2737.56,"endTime":2741.07,"body":"they just jumped in, they just"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2737.56,"endTime":2741.07,"body":"dived in. And it was messy and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2741.07,"endTime":2743.62,"body":"kind of chaotic. And people were"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2741.07,"endTime":2743.62,"body":"talking over each other, but"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2743.62,"endTime":2746.74,"body":"they were just trying different"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2743.62,"endTime":2746.74,"body":"things right from the start. And"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2746.74,"endTime":2750.2799999999997,"body":"that was the strategy that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2746.74,"endTime":2750.2799999999997,"body":"really ended up being the best"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2750.2799999999997,"endTime":2757.42,"body":"one. So anyway, remind me of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2750.2799999999997,"endTime":2757.42,"body":"that. It's good. Yeah, I like"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2757.42,"endTime":2761.2,"body":"it. Well, Idara how can people"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2757.42,"endTime":2761.2,"body":"get in touch with you?"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2763.09,"endTime":2766.99,"body":"Yeah, Im on the. You"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2763.09,"endTime":2766.99,"body":"can reach me through LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2767.5,"endTime":2770.7999999999997,"body":"Certainly Welcome to I'll"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2767.5,"endTime":2770.7999999999997,"body":"continue to network with others"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2770.7999999999997,"endTime":2776.14,"body":"and share what I know and also"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2770.7999999999997,"endTime":2776.14,"body":"learn from others as well. So"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2776.17,"endTime":2781.96,"body":"I'm on LinkedIn. I'm also on"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2776.17,"endTime":2781.96,"body":"Twitter so you can hashtag UK Oh"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2781.99,"endTime":2785.5,"body":"ID so you can also reach me"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2781.99,"endTime":2785.5,"body":"there as well. So"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2786.04,"endTime":2788.29,"body":"Terrific."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2786.04,"endTime":2788.29,"body":"Terrific. All right. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2788.5299999999997,"endTime":2791.41,"body":"Idara, thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2788.5299999999997,"endTime":2791.41,"body":"spending some time with me on"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2791.41,"endTime":2793.69,"body":"the show today. Really"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2791.41,"endTime":2793.69,"body":"appreciate everything you've"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2793.69,"endTime":2796.54,"body":"shared and it's just been a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2793.69,"endTime":2796.54,"body":"pleasure to get to know you a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2796.54,"endTime":2796.99,"body":"little bit."},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2797.29,"endTime":2799.9,"body":"Okay. Thanks, Aaron."},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2797.29,"endTime":2799.9,"body":"much appreciate it. This was"},{"speaker":"Idara Uko","startTime":2799.9,"endTime":2800.2,"body":"fun."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2803.7999999999997,"endTime":2807.2799999999997,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2803.7999999999997,"endTime":2807.2799999999997,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2807.2799999999997,"endTime":2810.2799999999997,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2807.2799999999997,"endTime":2810.2799999999997,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2810.2799999999997,"endTime":2813.82,"body":"the episode. To learn how your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2810.2799999999997,"endTime":2813.82,"body":"team can leverage our team's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2813.82,"endTime":2817.6,"body":"expertise developing turnkey"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2813.82,"endTime":2817.6,"body":"equipment, custom fixtures and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.63,"endTime":2821.92,"body":"automated machines and with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.63,"endTime":2821.92,"body":"product design, visit us at Team"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2821.92,"endTime":2824.68,"body":"pipeline.us. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2821.92,"endTime":2824.68,"body":"listening"}]}