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Anything else that we"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3021.0299999999997,"endTime":3023.16,"body":"should talk about that we"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3021.0299999999997,"endTime":3023.16,"body":"haven't hit on yet?"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3024.27,"endTime":3026.91,"body":"No, I think I"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3024.27,"endTime":3026.91,"body":"really enjoyed our conversation."},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3027.42,"endTime":3032.31,"body":"You know, it's been helped me"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3027.42,"endTime":3032.31,"body":"reflect quite a bit as well. And"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3032.43,"endTime":3036.63,"body":"hoping this reaches the years of"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3032.43,"endTime":3036.63,"body":"people who find it helpful and"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3036.63,"endTime":3041.31,"body":"insightful. And thank you again"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3036.63,"endTime":3041.31,"body":"for you know, setting up this"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3041.31,"endTime":3046.95,"body":"opportunity and for you know,"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3041.31,"endTime":3046.95,"body":"continuing to work on developing"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3046.95,"endTime":3051.84,"body":"this platform and helping"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3046.95,"endTime":3051.84,"body":"engineers and students and"},{"speaker":"Ashutosh Shukla","startTime":3052.47,"endTime":3054.27,"body":"aspires learn. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3054.88,"endTime":3057.22,"body":"Oh, you're so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3054.88,"endTime":3057.22,"body":"welcome. And and thank you again"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3057.22,"endTime":3059.59,"body":"for being on the being an"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3057.22,"endTime":3059.59,"body":"engineer podcast."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3059.68,"endTime":3060.19,"body":"Thanks, Aaron."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3064.27,"endTime":3067.72,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur, founder of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3064.27,"endTime":3067.72,"body":"pipeline design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3067.72,"endTime":3070.75,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3067.72,"endTime":3070.75,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3070.75,"endTime":3074.29,"body":"the episode. To learn how your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3070.75,"endTime":3074.29,"body":"team can leverage our team's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3074.29,"endTime":3078.04,"body":"expertise developing turnkey"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3074.29,"endTime":3078.04,"body":"equipment, custom fixtures and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3078.07,"endTime":3082.36,"body":"automated machines and with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3078.07,"endTime":3082.36,"body":"product design, visit us at Team"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3082.36,"endTime":3085.12,"body":"pipeline.us. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3082.36,"endTime":3085.12,"body":"listening"}]}