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And I like"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2515.0789999999997,"endTime":2519.219,"body":"just kind of focusing on trying"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2519.219,"endTime":2521.2889999999998,"body":"to do one thing really, really"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2519.219,"endTime":2521.2889999999998,"body":"well."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2522.34,"endTime":2525.1,"body":"I think that's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2522.34,"endTime":2525.1,"body":"great. Yeah, no, it makes total"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2525.1,"endTime":2529.72,"body":"sense to me. I agree with that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2525.1,"endTime":2529.72,"body":"philosophy. There's a quote I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2529.72,"endTime":2534.31,"body":"have on my wall by I think it's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2529.72,"endTime":2534.31,"body":"the author, Ben Hardy, I think,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2534.46,"endTime":2538.42,"body":"deep work the author of that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2534.46,"endTime":2538.42,"body":"deep workbook. And it says, I'm"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2538.42,"endTime":2541.06,"body":"not sitting in my office right"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2538.42,"endTime":2541.06,"body":"now. So I might butcher it a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2541.06,"endTime":2545.0499999999997,"body":"little bit. But basically, it"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2541.06,"endTime":2545.0499999999997,"body":"says, successes is easy. It's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2545.0499999999997,"endTime":2548.5299999999997,"body":"all about taking 20 steps in one"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2545.0499999999997,"endTime":2548.5299999999997,"body":"direction. Most people take one"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2548.5299999999997,"endTime":2552.25,"body":"step and 20 directions, which I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2548.5299999999997,"endTime":2552.25,"body":"think gets to the heart of you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2552.25,"endTime":2555.5499999999997,"body":"know what you're saying, get"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2552.25,"endTime":2555.5499999999997,"body":"really good at it one thing and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2555.5499999999997,"endTime":2558.49,"body":"do that thing. And everyone's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2555.5499999999997,"endTime":2558.49,"body":"different, you know, some people"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2558.49,"endTime":2561.19,"body":"would maybe prefer to know a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2558.49,"endTime":2561.19,"body":"little bit about a lot of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2561.19,"endTime":2564.49,"body":"things, but I think there's just"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2561.19,"endTime":2564.49,"body":"a lot of value in being really"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2564.49,"endTime":2566.32,"body":"good at one or two things."},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2566.65,"endTime":2568.48,"body":"Yeah, I think I'm"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2566.65,"endTime":2568.48,"body":"just like, naturally very"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2568.48,"endTime":2570.91,"body":"curious. I just want to I always"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2568.48,"endTime":2570.91,"body":"kind of want to learn about"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2570.91,"endTime":2574.0,"body":"everything else. But yeah, just"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2570.91,"endTime":2574.0,"body":"trying to focus on one"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2574.0,"endTime":2577.66,"body":"particular thing is what I'm at"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2574.0,"endTime":2577.66,"body":"least working on right now. So"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2577.719,"endTime":2581.709,"body":"yeah. Great. Well,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2577.719,"endTime":2581.709,"body":"Ryan, thanks so much for for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2581.709,"endTime":2585.0389999999998,"body":"joining me today. I sure"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2581.709,"endTime":2585.0389999999998,"body":"appreciate it. How can people"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2585.0389999999998,"endTime":2585.699,"body":"get a hold of you?"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2586.81,"endTime":2591.85,"body":"I, you can look me"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2586.81,"endTime":2591.85,"body":"up on LinkedIn. Ryan Crutcher."},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2591.88,"endTime":2595.36,"body":"And I know there's some other"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2591.88,"endTime":2595.36,"body":"rain creatures out there in the"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2595.36,"endTime":2598.06,"body":"world. But I think I'm the only"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2595.36,"endTime":2598.06,"body":"engineer that I've been able to"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2598.06,"endTime":2601.7799999999997,"body":"find so far. So I think you'll"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2598.06,"endTime":2601.7799999999997,"body":"Yeah, that's probably the"},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2601.7799999999997,"endTime":2602.65,"body":"easiest way LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2603.46,"endTime":2605.68,"body":"Perfect. All"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2603.46,"endTime":2605.68,"body":"right. Well, Ryan, thanks so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2605.68,"endTime":2607.5099999999998,"body":"much. Appreciate your time with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2605.68,"endTime":2607.5099999999998,"body":"me."},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2607.96,"endTime":2608.89,"body":"No problem."},{"speaker":"Ryan Kircher","startTime":2607.96,"endTime":2608.89,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2612.369,"endTime":2615.819,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncure,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2612.369,"endTime":2615.819,"body":"founder of pipeline design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2615.819,"endTime":2618.849,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2615.819,"endTime":2618.849,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2618.849,"endTime":2622.389,"body":"the episode. To learn how your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2618.849,"endTime":2622.389,"body":"team can leverage our team's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2622.389,"endTime":2626.139,"body":"expertise developing turnkey"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2622.389,"endTime":2626.139,"body":"equipment, custom fixtures and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2626.169,"endTime":2630.429,"body":"automated machines and with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2626.169,"endTime":2630.429,"body":"product design, visit us at Team"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2630.429,"endTime":2633.219,"body":"pipeline.us. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2630.429,"endTime":2633.219,"body":"listening"}]}