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So, there's a"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3095.82,"endTime":3098.22,"body":"story behind that, but we'll"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3095.82,"endTime":3098.22,"body":"leave that story for another day"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3098.73,"endTime":3103.11,"body":"or two. Okay. All"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3098.73,"endTime":3103.11,"body":"right, David. Oh, I do have one"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3103.11,"endTime":3106.47,"body":"more. My wife meter made me"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3103.11,"endTime":3106.47,"body":"promise to ask any sightings of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3106.47,"endTime":3107.67,"body":"little green men out there."},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3107.73,"endTime":3111.57,"body":"Not yet know. If we"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3107.73,"endTime":3111.57,"body":"find any, we'll be sure to let"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3111.57,"endTime":3113.73,"body":"you know, trust me that would"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3111.57,"endTime":3113.73,"body":"take care of our funding"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3113.73,"endTime":3115.17,"body":"problems for a long time if we"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3113.73,"endTime":3115.17,"body":"found"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3117.96,"endTime":3119.7599999999998,"body":"Alright, David,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3117.96,"endTime":3119.7599999999998,"body":"thank you so much."},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3119.94,"endTime":3122.16,"body":"Thank you very much."},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3119.94,"endTime":3122.16,"body":"Thanks. It's a pleasure to speak"},{"speaker":"David Oh","startTime":3122.16,"endTime":3122.43,"body":"with you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3123.69,"endTime":3124.59,"body":"Hey, everyone,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3123.69,"endTime":3124.59,"body":"David asked me to include this"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3125.61,"endTime":3128.58,"body":"quick correction to something he"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3125.61,"endTime":3128.58,"body":"said during the interview. When"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3130.0499999999997,"endTime":3135.15,"body":"the Curiosity rover landed on"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3130.0499999999997,"endTime":3135.15,"body":"Mars in 2012. It actually took"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3135.15,"endTime":3138.45,"body":"14 minutes for the signal from"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3135.15,"endTime":3138.45,"body":"the rover to reach the Earth,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3138.5099999999998,"endTime":3142.14,"body":"not seven minutes. The seven"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3138.5099999999998,"endTime":3142.14,"body":"minute event he mentioned has"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3142.14,"endTime":3145.08,"body":"its own significance. And you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3142.14,"endTime":3145.08,"body":"can read more about that in the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3145.08,"endTime":3145.83,"body":"show notes."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3147.16,"endTime":3151.15,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur, founder of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3147.16,"endTime":3151.15,"body":"pipeline design and engineering."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3151.57,"endTime":3153.73,"body":"If you liked what you heard"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3151.57,"endTime":3153.73,"body":"today, please leave us a"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3153.73,"endTime":3157.96,"body":"positive review. It really helps"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3153.73,"endTime":3157.96,"body":"other people find the show. 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