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But when"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2922.2999999999997,"endTime":2926.83,"body":"you have a notion that something"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2922.2999999999997,"endTime":2926.83,"body":"is not okay, and you even"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2926.83,"endTime":2931.15,"body":"provide the data, not just your"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2926.83,"endTime":2931.15,"body":"own inclination or opinion, and"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2931.15,"endTime":2934.21,"body":"then nobody else listens, and it"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2931.15,"endTime":2934.21,"body":"happens. The first thing is, you"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2934.21,"endTime":2937.21,"body":"can say I told you, so doesn't"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2934.21,"endTime":2937.21,"body":"help anything. But frustration"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2937.21,"endTime":2939.7599999999998,"body":"remains like why why we just"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2937.21,"endTime":2939.7599999999998,"body":"didn't do it a little bit"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2939.7599999999998,"endTime":2945.22,"body":"differently, and have a better"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2939.7599999999998,"endTime":2945.22,"body":"success. Out of that undertaking"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2945.22,"endTime":2945.91,"body":"that process."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2946.67,"endTime":2949.25,"body":"Yeah, that's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2946.67,"endTime":2949.25,"body":"great. Well, Milan, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2949.25,"endTime":2952.97,"body":"much for for joining me today. I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2949.25,"endTime":2952.97,"body":"really appreciate you taking"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2952.97,"endTime":2956.39,"body":"time out of your schedule and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2952.97,"endTime":2956.39,"body":"sharing some insight from all"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2956.39,"endTime":2959.57,"body":"your years of experience. How"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2956.39,"endTime":2959.57,"body":"can people get in touch with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2959.57,"endTime":2959.7799999999997,"body":"you?"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2961.239,"endTime":2962.8289999999997,"body":"Well, first,"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2961.239,"endTime":2962.8289999999997,"body":"thank you for inviting me, this"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2962.8289999999997,"endTime":2965.379,"body":"is really a pleasure. And then"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2962.8289999999997,"endTime":2965.379,"body":"the best thing is probably to"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2965.379,"endTime":2969.879,"body":"LinkedIn. Okay. become the de"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2965.379,"endTime":2969.879,"body":"facto standard for communication"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2969.879,"endTime":2971.709,"body":"between professionals. So why"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2969.879,"endTime":2971.709,"body":"not? Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2972.0099999999998,"endTime":2974.68,"body":"Yeah. All right."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2972.0099999999998,"endTime":2974.68,"body":"Well, we'll put a link to your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2974.68,"endTime":2977.17,"body":"LinkedIn profile in the show"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2974.68,"endTime":2977.17,"body":"notes so people can find that"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2977.17,"endTime":2981.07,"body":"easily. All right. Well, Milan,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2977.17,"endTime":2981.07,"body":"thank you again, so much. I sure"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2981.07,"endTime":2982.06,"body":"appreciate your time today."},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2982.75,"endTime":2984.34,"body":"Thank you very"},{"speaker":"Milan Cerovic","startTime":2982.75,"endTime":2984.34,"body":"much, and we'll talk soon."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2987.7599999999998,"endTime":2991.24,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2987.7599999999998,"endTime":2991.24,"body":"founder of pipeline design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2991.24,"endTime":2994.27,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2991.24,"endTime":2994.27,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2994.27,"endTime":2997.7799999999997,"body":"the episode. To learn how your"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2994.27,"endTime":2997.7799999999997,"body":"team can leverage our team's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2997.7799999999997,"endTime":3001.56,"body":"expertise developing turnkey"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2997.7799999999997,"endTime":3001.56,"body":"equipment, custom fixtures and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3001.59,"endTime":3005.88,"body":"automated machines and with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3001.59,"endTime":3005.88,"body":"product design, visit us at Team"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3005.88,"endTime":3008.64,"body":"pipeline.us. Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":3005.88,"endTime":3008.64,"body":"listening"}]}