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My"},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2380.74,"endTime":2385.96,"body":"independent consulting firm,"},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2386.56,"endTime":2392.83,"body":"which is me is proto Devin"},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2386.56,"endTime":2392.83,"body":"fab@gmail.com. I think you can"},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2392.83,"endTime":2394.6,"body":"get there through my LinkedIn"},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2392.83,"endTime":2394.6,"body":"profile as well."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2395.0099999999998,"endTime":2397.95,"body":"Excellent. Great."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2395.0099999999998,"endTime":2397.95,"body":"Well, thank you again, James. I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2397.95,"endTime":2399.48,"body":"sure appreciate you being on the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2397.95,"endTime":2399.48,"body":"show."},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2399.7799999999997,"endTime":2401.34,"body":"Thanks very much."},{"speaker":"James Rogers","startTime":2399.7799999999997,"endTime":2401.34,"body":"Have a great one."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2405.15,"endTime":2408.6,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2405.15,"endTime":2408.6,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2408.6,"endTime":2411.63,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2408.6,"endTime":2411.63,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2411.63,"endTime":2415.17,"body":"the episode. 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