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I don't know I"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2779.74,"endTime":2783.13,"body":"I love it. That's"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2779.74,"endTime":2783.13,"body":"that's beautiful man at the"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2783.13,"endTime":2786.67,"body":"engineering world and I just say"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2783.13,"endTime":2786.67,"body":"the world and General is lucky"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2786.67,"endTime":2789.97,"body":"to have you in. And I'm just"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2786.67,"endTime":2789.97,"body":"very grateful that you've been"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2789.97,"endTime":2792.19,"body":"able to take some more time"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2789.97,"endTime":2792.19,"body":"today and spend it with us here"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2792.19,"endTime":2795.07,"body":"on the podcast sharing some of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2792.19,"endTime":2795.07,"body":"that wisdom and insight. So"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.07,"endTime":2799.06,"body":"thank you so much for doing"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.07,"endTime":2799.06,"body":"that. Anything else that you'd"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2799.06,"endTime":2800.92,"body":"like to share before we wrap"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2799.06,"endTime":2800.92,"body":"things up?"},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2802.09,"endTime":2804.7,"body":"No, to stay"},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2802.09,"endTime":2804.7,"body":"awesome, everybody. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2805.15,"endTime":2808.15,"body":"Good advice. All"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2805.15,"endTime":2808.15,"body":"right. How can people get in"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2808.15,"endTime":2808.75,"body":"touch with you?"},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2809.5,"endTime":2813.5499999999997,"body":"I have a website."},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2809.5,"endTime":2813.5499999999997,"body":"It's IanmcEachern.com And all my"},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2813.5499999999997,"endTime":2814.72,"body":"contact information is there."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2815.17,"endTime":2817.39,"body":"Wonderful. All"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2815.17,"endTime":2817.39,"body":"right. Well, Ian, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.39,"endTime":2820.54,"body":"much. Sure. Appreciate your time"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2817.39,"endTime":2820.54,"body":"today. Talk to you later."},{"speaker":"Ian McEachern","startTime":2821.0499999999997,"endTime":2821.56,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2825.34,"endTime":2828.79,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2825.34,"endTime":2828.79,"body":"founder of pipeline design, and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2828.79,"endTime":2831.82,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2828.79,"endTime":2831.82,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2831.82,"endTime":2835.36,"body":"the episode. 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