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But at the"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2727.99,"endTime":2733.93,"body":"end, you know, the spoiler, but"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2727.99,"endTime":2733.93,"body":"the the the lead protagonist"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2733.93,"endTime":2737.68,"body":"writes in a book that happiness"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2733.93,"endTime":2737.68,"body":"is only real, real when it is"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2737.7999999999997,"endTime":2741.73,"body":"aired. But that is his after"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2737.7999999999997,"endTime":2741.73,"body":"going on a journey of self"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2741.73,"endTime":2746.2,"body":"discovery, which is all about"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2741.73,"endTime":2746.2,"body":"himself. He finds that he can"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2746.2,"endTime":2749.59,"body":"feel happy, but it's not truly"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2746.2,"endTime":2749.59,"body":"happiness, unless there's"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2749.59,"endTime":2753.85,"body":"someone to share it with. So I"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2749.59,"endTime":2753.85,"body":"think you're scared these kinds"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2753.85,"endTime":2757.84,"body":"of moments with students is, is"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2753.85,"endTime":2757.84,"body":"the decimetre. More"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2758.77,"endTime":2762.2799999999997,"body":"well said, Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2758.77,"endTime":2762.2799999999997,"body":"we talk about joy here at"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2762.2799999999997,"endTime":2765.34,"body":"Pipeline. The the purpose of"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2762.2799999999997,"endTime":2765.34,"body":"pipeline is to promote joy in"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2765.34,"endTime":2770.59,"body":"the lives of our team members."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2765.34,"endTime":2770.59,"body":"And so I've thought a lot myself"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2770.59,"endTime":2775.27,"body":"about what is joy? Where does it"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2770.59,"endTime":2775.27,"body":"come from? And I think where"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2775.27,"endTime":2779.68,"body":"I've ended up is joy comes from"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2775.27,"endTime":2779.68,"body":"other people, right without"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2779.68,"endTime":2784.69,"body":"other people. It's really hard"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2779.68,"endTime":2784.69,"body":"to find true joy. I think joy"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2784.69,"endTime":2787.36,"body":"comes from doing her Are things"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2784.69,"endTime":2787.36,"body":"with with people that we care"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2787.36,"endTime":2791.02,"body":"about? So read along what what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2787.36,"endTime":2791.02,"body":"you're saying, you know,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2791.32,"endTime":2795.2799999999997,"body":"definitely in alignment there."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2791.32,"endTime":2795.2799999999997,"body":"Well, there was thank you so"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.2799999999997,"endTime":2798.7,"body":"much for spending some time with"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2795.2799999999997,"endTime":2798.7,"body":"us today in and sharing a little"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2798.7,"endTime":2801.88,"body":"bit about your background and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2798.7,"endTime":2801.88,"body":"some pro tips and some insights."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2801.88,"endTime":2804.52,"body":"This has been great. How can"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2801.88,"endTime":2804.52,"body":"people get in touch with you?"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2805.09,"endTime":2808.21,"body":"Thanks, Aaron. I've"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2805.09,"endTime":2808.21,"body":"enjoyed all of this entire chat"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2808.21,"endTime":2811.42,"body":"people can get in touch with me"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2808.21,"endTime":2811.42,"body":"on LinkedIn, that's probably"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2811.45,"endTime":2817.39,"body":"that is the social media website"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2811.45,"endTime":2817.39,"body":"that I'm most active on. Or they"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2817.39,"endTime":2823.5099999999998,"body":"can visit our labs research page"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2817.39,"endTime":2823.5099999999998,"body":"of the group that I manage about"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2823.54,"endTime":2826.57,"body":"10 students at any given time."},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2823.54,"endTime":2826.57,"body":"So we call ourselves 3d"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2827.32,"endTime":2832.54,"body":"research. So you go to www dot"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2827.32,"endTime":2832.54,"body":"3d X research."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2833.71,"endTime":2836.5,"body":"Wonderful,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2833.71,"endTime":2836.5,"body":"wonderful. Well Dhruv thank you"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2836.5,"endTime":2839.95,"body":"again for being on the show."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2836.5,"endTime":2839.95,"body":"Really appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2840.549,"endTime":2842.2889999999998,"body":"Sweet. Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Dhruv Bhate","startTime":2840.549,"endTime":2842.2889999999998,"body":"Aaron. Thanks for having me."},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2846.0,"endTime":2849.48,"body":"I'm Aaron Moncur,"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2846.0,"endTime":2849.48,"body":"founder of pipeline design and"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2849.48,"endTime":2852.5099999999998,"body":"engineering. If you liked what"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2849.48,"endTime":2852.5099999999998,"body":"you heard today, please share"},{"speaker":"Aaron Moncur","startTime":2852.5099999999998,"endTime":2856.0499999999997,"body":"the episode. 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